lime

nomoreusmc · 03-06-05, 23:07

Mrs. Wages picking lime powder from walmart, 1lb
the back has a warning lable:
prolonged skin contact to hydrated lime may cause irritation / chemical burns

Right or wrong. I was planning on using rodgers rye tek

destroy_erase_improve · 03-06-05, 23:10

hydrated lime/pickling lime
sounds like the right stuff
check the mg levels
should be really low on the right kind

nomoreusmc · 03-06-05, 23:16

doesn't list it

Lazlo · 03-07-05, 01:21

Yep! That's it.

lukester · 03-07-05, 05:32

I use the same stuff, it is good to go, it is also in the archieves in the where to find supplies.
This shit f***s my nose and eyes up when I pour it. Man it seems like I can taste it just from the smell.

nomoreusmc · 03-08-05, 01:59

Well I think I'll invest in some dust masks then, Thanks guys

Hippie3 · 03-08-05, 19:59

lol
it's not for breathing...

03-08-05, 20:47

If you think the dust is hard on your nose, you haven't ever had it in your eyes. Be sure not to allow it to make dust. Reach in with a cup to get it out of the bag, don't pour.

destroy_erase_improve · 03-08-05, 21:20

since this seems to be a lime thread. a foaf has a bag of lime that hes not even sure about. this is in a foafs garage. and he has no idea if its even useable. the mg content isnt super high but its not extremely low either. he has a bag of hydrated lime also that he knows is fine. just wanted to see what the concensus on this bag is:

nomoreusmc · 03-08-05, 22:21

don't pour, thanks for the tip RR, destroy I don't know there is lots of things in there including "nutralizing agents" so you don't really know

destroy_erase_improve · 03-09-05, 22:20

bizzump.
sorry guys, just figured id give it one bump to try to get a concrete answer on the lime my buddy had lying around. otherwise ill tell him to use it in his garden.
thx

03-09-05, 22:57

Fast acting for this type limestone is still 10 days minimum when ground to 100mesh or finer , so its good for the compost pile or garden but not too effective for a freshly mixed substrate...

chefpjb1 · 04-11-05, 22:25

I have been using pickling lime. I wind up getting contams like the third or forth flush on some casings. Some just stop producing shrooms with no contams. Has anyone used pickling lime lately? I remember reading in some of the old threads, people have used it. It seems like the only thing I can find around here.
All the other limes have high MAg levles for use on lawns.
The only hydrated lime I can find is for water wells. It says high in calcium hydrated lime. It's in a brown bag. The company is from Canada. It does not say any %'s of contence.

Well what I want to know is pickling lime OK to use or not? PLease I know what everyone claims to use but pickling lime is what I can get from Walmart for less than $2.00. With out having to wait from ordering it on line.

Thanks
The Chef

the_other_chap · 04-11-05, 23:02

AFAIK, pickling lime should be fine. I don't know what it's Mg content is, but if you're getting good fruiting, I guess it can't be too high.

Beastmaster · 04-12-05, 01:52

Pickling lime is good, but it is used up rapidly as you see by your 3rd and 4th flush contaminations. If you combine your pickling lime with an equal amount of finely crushed oyster or egg shell, you should be ok, as the calcium in the oyster or egg shell takes longer to be released. In theory...

tempest2003 · 04-12-05, 10:28

uhhhh i thought lime was bascily used just to bring the ph to a more neutral or alkaline PH level. i didnt know lime was suposto be used to add nutes. anyone smart? whats the true use of lime here?

python · 04-12-05, 10:57

lime is mostly used to adjust the ph

chefpjb1 · 04-12-05, 14:37

I also know cow farm "dairy" around here use a lime solution to clean dairy barns. It kills bacteria, molds and such. I went to a organic dairy farm up the street from me to get whole milk. I asked what the white filmy stuff was when they had been washing up the place.

The Chef

altered_states · 04-12-05, 15:09

Aside from the internet, has anyone found crushed oyster shells for sale in a bag that is big enough to be useful? All that I've ever found are the tiny bags at the pet store intended to be used as a calcium supplement for birds.
Where might one start looking for a fat sack of crushed oyster shells?
The lady at the pet store probably thinks my "parrot" OD'd on Calcium by now.

Soliver1 · 04-12-05, 15:30

Look online for Hoffman's (or is it Hoffamann's?) hydrated lime.
One bag will last you a lifetime unless you plan on starting a shroom farm

Pickling lime works but is a lot more expensive IME.

kingstrrophariad · 04-13-05, 22:28

lime is used to adjust ph, however the mushroom mycelium slowly(or not so slowly) secretes metabolites that are acidic wich slowly acidfy the casing, by using a combination of powder lime for rapid ph adjust, and a limestone grit that releases slowly you should be good beging to end. good luck!

altered_states · 04-14-05, 01:11

Thanks Sol; Hoffman's is also my brand of choice, but I found a 50 pound plain brown bag of hydrated lime for the same price as a 5 or 10 pound bag of Hoffman's.
I filled a gallon ziploc bag half-full about a year ago and the bag still looks untouched.
I'm fairly certain that I have enough to last 10 amateur mycologists indefinitely.
I drove more than four hours that day, looking for the right type of lime.
I made sure that I would never run out, even if I were to try. Hoffman's and the brown bag stuff were both at the same store... They actually had three brands. This is at the end of the four+ hour drive, stopping at roughly twenty nurseries.

Rambling again...

Anyway, thanks about the lime; I'm just trying to find reasonable amounts of shells without buying ten bags.
I use hydrated lime for pH and shells for a long term calcium buffer in my casings.

I actually started researching parrot diseases caused by calcium deficiency because I'm afraid the lady at the pet store will call the SPCA if I don't answer her questions!

I do appreciate it, though... I'm an animal lover too...
One that wants a shitload of shells for my "bird".

BTW, Watch out when using pelletized or other non-powdered lime. It's almost always chock full of Magnesium. Save it for greener gardens

smegma · 04-18-05, 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by altered_states

Thanks Sol; Hoffman's is also my brand of choice, but I found a 50 pound plain brown bag of hydrated lime for the same price as a 5 or 10 pound bag of Hoffman's.
I filled a gallon ziploc bag half-full about a year ago and the bag still looks untouched.
I'm fairly certain that I have enough to last 10 amateur mycologists indefinitely.
I drove more than four hours that day, looking for the right type of lime.
I made sure that I would never run out, even if I were to try. Hoffman's and the brown bag stuff were both at the same store... They actually had three brands. This is at the end of the four+ hour drive, stopping at roughly twenty nurseries.

Rambling again...

Anyway, thanks about the lime; I'm just trying to find reasonable amounts of shells without buying ten bags.
I use hydrated lime for pH and shells for a long term calcium buffer in my casings.

I actually started researching parrot diseases caused by calcium deficiency because I'm afraid the lady at the pet store will call the SPCA if I don't answer her questions!

I do appreciate it, though... I'm an animal lover too...
One that wants a shitload of shells for my "bird".

BTW, Watch out when using pelletized or other non-powdered lime. It's almost always chock full of Magnesium. Save it for greener gardens

I keep reading about Magnesium inhibiting growth, but most if not all hydrated lime is 10-20% Mg. FOAF uses it w/ no notiible loss... any comments on this?

chefpjb1 · 04-18-05, 17:33

Here on this site it has been said time and time agian "use hydrated lime less that 3%.' Do we have anyone who can realy shed some light on this Hip / Cap?

smegma · 04-18-05, 17:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefpjb1

Here on this site it has been said time and time agian "use hydrated lime less that 3%.' Do we have anyone who can realy shed some light on this Hip / Cap?

FOAF uses 20% historically... not PERFECT, but nice results. Bonide brand.

No hydrated lime I have EVER seen at a nursery is < 10%.

MAybe food grade (i.e. pickling lime) and if it is an issue FOAF will switch, I just wish I could see something concrete.

Beastmaster · 04-18-05, 18:36

Crushed oyster shell should be easy enough to find at a local garden store. The one I frequent has big bins of bulk soil amendments: bat guano, kelp, oyster shell, etc.

If all else fails, save up your chicken egg shells which, washed, dried, and crushed, should work in a similar fashion.

04-18-05, 20:00

The magnesium theory is noted in TMC. but did not give much detail about how much is too much..Just that fruiting was limited by "excessive" Mg....

chefpjb1 · 04-18-05, 21:35

Beastmaster

Are you saying to use egg shell instead of lime? When you say crushed are you saying just broken up or use like a coffee grinder?

anticheffy · 04-19-05, 17:52

powdered

Beastmaster · 04-19-05, 18:40

No, I don't think that egg or oyster shells are a direct replacement for lime. My understanding is that the egg/oyster shells (crushed/powdered) are a delayed release alkali suplement. Lime is an immediate use supplement.

Every reference I've seen to using them as such notes that tehy are delayed release whatever that is, probably means its harder to break down than already processed lime/chalk. I think a coffee grinder should reduce them pretty good, but a mortar/pestle will ensure early release of the alkali as a smaller surface area per granule will aid release, IMHO.

Ideally, one would supplement the substrate mix with equal parts of lime and egg/oyster shell. From what I understand, this will give long term acidity compensation to the substrate.

destroy_erase_improve · 05-10-05, 15:57

my friend found this bag of lime in her shed. is this useable? the front says hydrated lime, but the back info shows that some of the mg levels are pretty high. especially since hydrated lime is supposed to be super low.

(sorry about the blurry info picture)

the magnesium oxide level is 28% but mg and ca combined as carbonates is 2.0%

Soliver1 · 05-10-05, 18:00

Looks AOK to me -

It's the "hydrated" part that's important,
as this means the lime is H2O soluble to a greater
extent.

That bag should last you a lifetime - a little goes a long way

destroy_erase_improve · 05-10-05, 18:02

my friend said "FINALLY!", she was looking from store to store, buying the wrong kind each time, and sometimes coming up empty handed. and unknown to her , the right stuff was right under her nose. you made her night!

I_am_me · 05-11-05, 11:11

Actually doesn't that have a high magnesium content? I thought that was prohibitive to fruiting and it should be below 5%?

Hippie3 · 05-11-05, 11:47

that's the wrong kind,
you don't want mag over 5%
that has much higher

fren0128 · 05-11-05, 13:03

I have pelletized lime. On the back it says all the instructions say to apply to soil, for watering it says to incorporate after application and to wet thoroughly for 30 minutes

the ingredients are
total calcium 36%
91.8% calcium carbonate
total magnesium .4%
1.4% magnesium carbonate
calcium carbonate equivalent 93%

derived from mined calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate which has been ground and peletized, containing approximately 2% organic binder

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03-06-05, 23:07	#1 (permalink)
nomoreusmc Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 936	Lime? [merged] Mrs. Wages picking lime powder from walmart, 1lb the back has a warning lable: prolonged skin contact to hydrated lime may cause irritation / chemical burns Right or wrong. I was planning on using rodgers rye tek __________________ Peace, Love and Shrooms

03-06-05, 23:10	#2 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	hydrated lime/pickling lime sounds like the right stuff check the mg levels should be really low on the right kind __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

03-06-05, 23:16	#3 (permalink)
nomoreusmc Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 936	doesn't list it __________________ Peace, Love and Shrooms

03-07-05, 01:21	#4 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,059	Yep! That's it. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

03-07-05, 05:32	#5 (permalink)
lukester Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 1971 Posts: 68	I use the same stuff, it is good to go, it is also in the archieves in the where to find supplies. This shit f***s my nose and eyes up when I pour it. Man it seems like I can taste it just from the smell. __________________ Sex, Guns, Flyfishing, Crown Royal, Dome, Patron, African Chilids, and Cars.

03-08-05, 01:59	#6 (permalink)
nomoreusmc Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 936	Well I think I'll invest in some dust masks then, Thanks guys __________________ Peace, Love and Shrooms

03-08-05, 19:59	#7 (permalink)
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03-08-05, 20:47	#8 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	If you think the dust is hard on your nose, you haven't ever had it in your eyes. Be sure not to allow it to make dust. Reach in with a cup to get it out of the bag, don't pour.

03-08-05, 22:21	#10 (permalink)
nomoreusmc Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 936	don't pour, thanks for the tip RR, destroy I don't know there is lots of things in there including "nutralizing agents" so you don't really know __________________ Peace, Love and Shrooms

03-09-05, 22:20	#11 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	bizzump. sorry guys, just figured id give it one bump to try to get a concrete answer on the lime my buddy had lying around. otherwise ill tell him to use it in his garden. thx __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

03-09-05, 22:57	#12 (permalink)
~golly Guest Posts: n/a	Fast acting for this type limestone is still 10 days minimum when ground to 100mesh or finer , so its good for the compost pile or garden but not too effective for a freshly mixed substrate...

04-11-05, 22:25	#13 (permalink)
chefpjb1 Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 125	Lime? I have been using pickling lime. I wind up getting contams like the third or forth flush on some casings. Some just stop producing shrooms with no contams. Has anyone used pickling lime lately? I remember reading in some of the old threads, people have used it. It seems like the only thing I can find around here. All the other limes have high MAg levles for use on lawns. The only hydrated lime I can find is for water wells. It says high in calcium hydrated lime. It's in a brown bag. The company is from Canada. It does not say any %'s of contence. Well what I want to know is pickling lime OK to use or not? PLease I know what everyone claims to use but pickling lime is what I can get from Walmart for less than $2.00. With out having to wait from ordering it on line. Thanks The Chef

04-11-05, 23:02	#14 (permalink)
the_other_chap Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 1970 Posts: 751	AFAIK, pickling lime should be fine. I don't know what it's Mg content is, but if you're getting good fruiting, I guess it can't be too high. __________________ Sitting in a sunken garden, pinking in the sinking sun. Thinking of a summer long ago, when one was twenty-one.

04-12-05, 01:52	#15 (permalink)
Beastmaster Critter Keeper Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,137	Pickling lime is good, but it is used up rapidly as you see by your 3rd and 4th flush contaminations. If you combine your pickling lime with an equal amount of finely crushed oyster or egg shell, you should be ok, as the calcium in the oyster or egg shell takes longer to be released. In theory... __________________ 'Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes genius and courage to move in the opposite direction.' AE

04-12-05, 10:28	#16 (permalink)
tempest2003 Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 195	uhhhh i thought lime was bascily used just to bring the ph to a more neutral or alkaline PH level. i didnt know lime was suposto be used to add nutes. anyone smart? whats the true use of lime here?

04-12-05, 10:57	#17 (permalink)
python Virtuoso Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,652	lime is mostly used to adjust the ph

04-12-05, 14:37	#18 (permalink)
chefpjb1 Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 125	I also know cow farm "dairy" around here use a lime solution to clean dairy barns. It kills bacteria, molds and such. I went to a organic dairy farm up the street from me to get whole milk. I asked what the white filmy stuff was when they had been washing up the place. The Chef

04-12-05, 15:09	#19 (permalink)
altered_states Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 408	Aside from the internet, has anyone found crushed oyster shells for sale in a bag that is big enough to be useful? All that I've ever found are the tiny bags at the pet store intended to be used as a calcium supplement for birds. Where might one start looking for a fat sack of crushed oyster shells? The lady at the pet store probably thinks my "parrot" OD'd on Calcium by now. __________________ Please don't be sad if it was a straight mind you had We wouldn't have known you all these years

04-12-05, 15:30	#20 (permalink)
Soliver1 Deranged Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 631	Look online for Hoffman's (or is it Hoffamann's?) hydrated lime. One bag will last you a lifetime unless you plan on starting a shroom farm Pickling lime works but is a lot more expensive IME.

04-13-05, 22:28	#21 (permalink)
kingstrrophariad Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 48	lime is used to adjust ph, however the mushroom mycelium slowly(or not so slowly) secretes metabolites that are acidic wich slowly acidfy the casing, by using a combination of powder lime for rapid ph adjust, and a limestone grit that releases slowly you should be good beging to end. good luck!

04-14-05, 01:11	#22 (permalink)
altered_states Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 408	Thanks Sol; Hoffman's is also my brand of choice, but I found a 50 pound plain brown bag of hydrated lime for the same price as a 5 or 10 pound bag of Hoffman's. I filled a gallon ziploc bag half-full about a year ago and the bag still looks untouched. I'm fairly certain that I have enough to last 10 amateur mycologists indefinitely. I drove more than four hours that day, looking for the right type of lime. I made sure that I would never run out, even if I were to try. Hoffman's and the brown bag stuff were both at the same store... They actually had three brands. This is at the end of the four+ hour drive, stopping at roughly twenty nurseries. Rambling again... Anyway, thanks about the lime; I'm just trying to find reasonable amounts of shells without buying ten bags. I use hydrated lime for pH and shells for a long term calcium buffer in my casings. I actually started researching parrot diseases caused by calcium deficiency because I'm afraid the lady at the pet store will call the SPCA if I don't answer her questions! I do appreciate it, though... I'm an animal lover too... One that wants a shitload of shells for my "bird". BTW, Watch out when using pelletized or other non-powdered lime. It's almost always chock full of Magnesium. Save it for greener gardens __________________ Please don't be sad if it was a straight mind you had We wouldn't have known you all these years

04-18-05, 17:33	#24 (permalink)
chefpjb1 Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 125	Here on this site it has been said time and time agian "use hydrated lime less that 3%.' Do we have anyone who can realy shed some light on this Hip / Cap?

04-18-05, 18:36	#26 (permalink)
Beastmaster Critter Keeper Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,137	Crushed oyster shell should be easy enough to find at a local garden store. The one I frequent has big bins of bulk soil amendments: bat guano, kelp, oyster shell, etc. If all else fails, save up your chicken egg shells which, washed, dried, and crushed, should work in a similar fashion. __________________ 'Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes genius and courage to move in the opposite direction.' AE

04-18-05, 20:00	#27 (permalink)
~golly Guest Posts: n/a	The magnesium theory is noted in TMC. but did not give much detail about how much is too much..Just that fruiting was limited by "excessive" Mg....

04-18-05, 21:35	#28 (permalink)
chefpjb1 Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 125	Beastmaster Are you saying to use egg shell instead of lime? When you say crushed are you saying just broken up or use like a coffee grinder?

04-19-05, 17:52	#29 (permalink)
anticheffy Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 1,038	powdered __________________ travel is fatal to predjudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness mark twain

04-19-05, 18:40	#30 (permalink)
Beastmaster Critter Keeper Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,137	No, I don't think that egg or oyster shells are a direct replacement for lime. My understanding is that the egg/oyster shells (crushed/powdered) are a delayed release alkali suplement. Lime is an immediate use supplement. Every reference I've seen to using them as such notes that tehy are delayed release whatever that is, probably means its harder to break down than already processed lime/chalk. I think a coffee grinder should reduce them pretty good, but a mortar/pestle will ensure early release of the alkali as a smaller surface area per granule will aid release, IMHO. Ideally, one would supplement the substrate mix with equal parts of lime and egg/oyster shell. From what I understand, this will give long term acidity compensation to the substrate. __________________ 'Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes genius and courage to move in the opposite direction.' AE

05-10-05, 18:00	#32 (permalink)
Soliver1 Deranged Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 631	Looks AOK to me - It's the "hydrated" part that's important, as this means the lime is H2O soluble to a greater extent. That bag should last you a lifetime - a little goes a long way

05-10-05, 18:02	#33 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	my friend said "FINALLY!", she was looking from store to store, buying the wrong kind each time, and sometimes coming up empty handed. and unknown to her , the right stuff was right under her nose. you made her night! __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

05-11-05, 11:11	#34 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,366	Actually doesn't that have a high magnesium content? I thought that was prohibitive to fruiting and it should be below 5%? __________________ Kindness is a cure.

05-11-05, 11:47	#35 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36,323	that's the wrong kind, you don't want mag over 5% that has much higher __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce