[false] 'Ps caerulipes' grow report

congratulations on your success! great work!

[Freaky]

Awesome Pics! Can't wait to watch the pins grow

Great grow log!

[Lazlo]

Looks great man!

[Hippie3]

reading this thread is almost like time-lapse photography
great to see your baby growing well
congrats

[Cowcharmer]

pins !
.. great job orchidman.. i have been watching this for some time now. Can't wait to see mature fruits.

[Orchidman]

Thanks guys for all the compliments.

Here's a tip for anyone wanting to grow wood lovers. I was in the restaurant supply a while back and I spotted a bag of popsicle sticks/craft sticks. I'm always on the lookout for wood to feed my mushrooms and I just went Gong. I bought a package of 500 for a few dollars and took them home and soaked them overnight and then boiled them for an hour. Upon inspection I determined them to be BIRCH and confirmed it on the google search. Indeed popsicle sticks, kabob skewers and even toothpicks are made from birch. After cooling I put them in a large glad container and dug a spoonfull of mycellium out of the #2 container and upended it on top of the pile of sticks. After a week you can see in the second photo the mycellium is spreading rapidly onto the popsicle sticks. Some of the maple sawdust hasn't been colonized yet but the mycellium is abandoning it and spreading strongly onto the birch.

[mycobri]

good to hear, because i had collected a whole bag of coffee stirrers and broke them into tiny bits.
there just waiting to be put to good use or a good experiment
maybe BF on popcorn to birch-bits

i hope you see many more BlueFoot fruits

[Orchidman]

The #2 jar is complete for the second time now after re-filling it. I wrapped the sides in foil and removed the top and placed it into a 32oz clear plastic food container. It's not the right top so there's a bit of air exchange and I poured a bit of water into the outside container. The wide mouth jar just fits beautifully into the container with just 1/4" to spare. I'm going to ram a couple of soaked popsickle sticks down into the jar and once they are colonized I can yank them out and inoculate a new container with them.

[Orchidman]

The BBQ chicken container with the #2 jar in it is starting to show lots of knots now. I have a feeling it won't be too long before it's pinning. It seems very healthy and happy although the condensation is disappearing. I'm thinking about covering a couple of the holes with tape.

[Orchidman]

Jar #3 in the Tree of Heaven container seems to be doing very well. It's growing upwards into the maple, it's attached to the tree of heaven and even has a few branches almost completely wrapped and of course I find it very interesting that it seems to just love the Pro Mix with compost. You can see it's plunging straight down into the black in places and has almost reached the bottom.

[Orchidman]

When I opened the blue Rubbermaid container to look at the hemp container, this is what I found. The mushroom sort of twisted around as if it was trying to get back into the container and it wedged itself underneath the lip of the top of the container. I tried to pull it out from underneath but it just snapped right back into place. The hole that it's sticking out from is completely filled but it doesn't seem to be hurting the mushroom at all.

[Orchidman]

You can see where the mushroom sticks out of the hole in the container that the stalk is smooth on the outside but on the inside where it's humid, the base is completely covered with hairs.

All is not well in the hemp container. Beside the hemp hole is another mushroom that hit the top of the container and turned straight down and twisted round and round and ended up with the cap rammed against the bottom The pressure is so strong that the stalk split horizontally near the top and longitudinally along the center of the stalk. I have removed the top now and placed the container in it's own rubbbermaid container with some peroxide in the bottom.

[Orchidman]

A couple more views of the mushroom for you and then the bad news.

Last week I noticed some grey mold growing just inside the hole on the other side. I decided to kill it. I sprayed the mold with the homemade Cynamide that I talked about near the beginning of this thread made from rubbing alcohol with cinamon sticks soaked in it. It did indeed kill the mold but as it soaked the moss I guess it transferred through it or something. All the mycellium that was growing into the moss died almost overnight and all the mycellium on the hemp roots looks like it also died or was set back hugely. It shrunk right down to nothing and dried right up. Yes it's making mushrooms but I think it's a last ditch effort to reproduce before it dies.

A second possibility is that the wood has dried up. I'm thinking about dunking it, but it might not help. The moss in the bottom is still wet but the mycellium won't grow in it. I think it's more likely damage from the alcohol.

The good news is that when I changed locations for it last night I could see tiny bits of new growth popping up here and there across the surface. Actually I just thought that I should case about 2/3 of it with the Pro Mix. The caerulipes in the other container seems to just love it. This would give it some moisture and protect it from contams. I'm also going to take some bits of the recovering new growth and start a new container from it. I don't have a backup jar from this #1 growth.

I just love the look of this little mushroom. The scaley cap is beautiful and the little blue ring around the outside edge is stunning. On the first photo you can see a darker brown patch on the right near the top. That's my fingerprint where I tried to move the cap out from under the lip and it left a bruise. When I pushed it I realized the stalk of the little mushroom was very rubbery and strong and it just snapped right back into place. It seems to have transpired some moisture between itself and the plastic as the outside of the container was moist where it was pushing on it.

I'm having a bit of trouble in my mind with the look of the cap. According to the description it's supposed to be gelatinous. This is not gelatinous. It is scaley and underneath the white patches it almost looks like it's covered with fine hairs. Where I bruised it on the top right it turned to gelatinous slime from the damage. So maybe as it ages it could still turn to jello. Also it seems that the caerulipes has a different look for each person that grows it.

I would say that the humidity outside the container is quite low where the mushroom is growing and the temperature has been steady at 70f degrees due to the 102f outdoor temps for the last while.

So I have two mushrooms so far and I have two 1" pins. It's interesting to note that the pin I posted the photo above is growing out of the stalk of the upside down mushroom about 1/2" up from the base while the other one is growing more from the wood. Both the pins are extremely strong looking with a thick wide base.

I do want to thank Captain Max from Sporelab for the caerulipes syringes. It certainly made my day.

[golly]

Congrats on your new babies..I have to say though - that looks much more like a Cubensis than any wood lover i've seen..There is quite a bit of variability among the Bluefoot's but never seen anything close to that..Hmmm
They're growing on Hemp primarily ,right..?
Please post a mature shot if u can...thanx...

[Lazlo]

Definitely cubensis.

[Workman]

Oh man........... I am so sorry.

[Orchidman]

I agree that these mushrooms don't look like they are supposed to but they are definitely some type of woodeater. This particular mushroom is growing on hemp root but I have them growing on several types of wood which they seem to just gobble right up. A good example is where in the above photo the mycellium has transferred onto the birch popsickle sticks. So can cubensis grow readily on wood? I know B+ does but my B+ didn't have the scales on the cap. As a matter of fact when you search google images for cubensis, there aren't too many with scales.

The veil has split as of this morning so later on I'll try and get some more photos and try for the gills.

There was a previous thread about Captain Max's caerulipes and it was also identified as a cubensis but right then I said but it's growing on wood.

I really like growing the woodeaters and find them very easy. I don't care too much about what it is as long as it grows on wood. And by next weekend I will try to get up the nerve to eat some and see if I get stoned.

[golly]

Cubes will actually colonize shredded wood just like when using coir, but fruiting is very limited due to lack of nutes ..The boomers that do grow, are relying partially on the energy supplied by the spawn substrate..
Your thread has been/is very informative and well presented ,non the less..

[mycobri]

that is a good way to see things Orchidman!

it is an accomplishment any way you look at it
a good read lots of info, great pics & very nicely done

plus you get to sample the fruits

[max]

The spores used on this project came from this source:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/market-p...ot-prints.html (Psilocybe caerulipes (Bluefoot) prints)

[Workman]

Psilocybe cubensis is very adaptive to various substrates and is well known to have the ability to digest lignin and/or cellulose even though that isn't its preferred substrate. There are many pictures of Psilocybe cubensis growing from newspaper, cardboard, paper currency and even books.

I have seen this happen so many times I feel I am in a repeating loop.

Grower buys spores of supposed woodlover and uses wood substrate. Mushrooms grow and appear to be Psilocybe cubensis. Grower insists it must be a special strain/species because normal cubensis doesn't grow on wood. Repeat.

Don't feel bad, its happened to some of the best growers. Even Anno had it happen once when trying to grow azurescens indoors.

[Orchidman]

It seems unanimous that everyone thinks these are cubensis so I should basically accept that as I am only an amateur and really don't have a clue what I am talking about. However I do have some hesitation in my mind.

The first question I have is when I look at the stalk which has the longitudinal ridges running along it. That is one of the identifying marks of a caerulipes. On google images very few cubensis have those ridges which were very noticable right from the pinning stage.

The second major problem I have is that the mycellium grew rapidly at 55 degrees and 60 degrees. This does seem a bit odd for cubensis. The temperature only went up to 70f degrees in the last week. The temperature has never been above 70f and was mostly around 60f degrees.

So if these are cubensis growing on wood at 60f degrees then isn't this remarkable luck? These are not some whimpy mushroom growing reluctantly on the wrong media. These are voracious mushrooms just devouring the wood.

I just can't do poop. The stench of the pc is really awful and lingers in the walls for a long time. For me to find a cubensis that will grow really well on wood in my cool conditions is probably the ultimate stroke of luck.

I do want to thank everyone for their help and input. And the grow report isn't over by a long shot. I still want to post some photos of my cubensis fruiting on wood. And some kind soul has sent me a print of the real caerulipes. I'll be back.

[Lazlo]

It's definitely cubensis. Don't feel TOO bad, at least you got a Psilocybe. I've been on a polypore roll something serious lately. To the point I can barely stand to try anything new.

[Hippie3]

they are right-
no doubt that is cubensis.
and orchidman
the growth was not fast,
at least not for cubensis.
the low temps definitely slowed it considerably,
normally cubies fruit in about 5 weeks from spore.
yours took ~10 weeks or so.

[Mermaidia]

With all of this occurring, I am impressed with your patience and positive attitude towards the situation. This should set an example for all of us. For some may see it as a failure, but to another it is simply success.
This thread has been so enjoyable to read. Great work Orchidman!
I look forward to reading many more posts of yours.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by captainmax

The spores used on this project came from this source:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/market-p...ot-prints.html (Psilocybe caerulipes (Bluefoot) prints)

Max -
does this mean that you just took llama's wild prints
and turned them into syringes for sale
without bothering to grow it out to see what up ?

And recently there was that false PE [PE6 maybe] you sold,
SporeLabForums :: View topic - Penis envy(or is it) on Brf
the Oh Canada strain that no one can grow,
http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-gr...tml#post407406
and now this.
not looking too good there.

and you don't even offer the man
an apology nor a refund ?

[Orchidman]

Thanks Captain Max for posting your source. I understand that there could be a mix up. However I'm not upset. I find these mushrooms extremely beautiful and photogenic.

With the theme that this grow report is supposed to be educational and as well entertainment to fight the boredom I offer up this request. Follow along with me as I post the next photos and explain to me exactly why this is a cubensis and not a caerulipes. Look at the gills and the spore colour and the identifying characteristics and explain to me why this is a cubensis.

And Workman I do appologize as I know you've said it is a repetative cycle. But I want to know and I want everyone's comments to help me understand why this is not a caerulipes.

I now present you with the tearing of the veil. I classify it as disappearing. It seems to be detaching at the bottom but it is a bit too early.

[Orchidman]

Here you can see the caps are starting to show a bit knobby. We will see how they look tomorrow as it's only a few hours since they opened.

[Hippie3]

we've seen many

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