texas copelandia: first fruits [ radel / cyano pancakes ]

[mycobri]

a rare print of Texas Copelandia was obtained. the print came from a wild specimen grown out indoors.

10 waylit style 1/2 pints were started and began to colonize at 80 degrees F
txcpe 1.jpg
a 50/50 casing was added of peat/cactus soil with lime
txcpe 2.jpg
the myc quickly started to spread
txcpe 3.jpg

this casing mixture has not yet worked well for my friend.
txcpe 4.jpg
a green contam eventually appeared in the casing layer on every single jar

but first a few small fruits appeared from a small dish
txcpe 5.jpgtxcpe 6.jpg

All jars were switched to straight verm casings
from there another jar began to show life
the fruits pinned right off the glass where there was no casing at all
txcpe 7.jpg

a peek inside
txcpe 8.jpga decent flushtxcpe 10.jpg


a look at the gills and the size of the copes
txcpe 11.jpg

an LC was made for a few reasons: more time to attempt larger and more fruits, better pinset and hopefully prints
txcpe 12.jpg

the same jar that flushed first now began it's second round. Still pinning off the glass above the casing
txcpe 13.jpg

Three views of flush two
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fruits
txcpe 17.jpg
but still no spores

a taller FC is needed so they can grow taller
maybe they are being prematurely harvested

it is weird that after all these casing problems they would pin right off the glass.
do you think it would be worth attempting to fruit one jar without any
casing?

the next nice fruit will be taken and used in a cloning attempt
also a few more texas cope projects have been started
txcpe 18.jpg
wbs/rgs on left, radel's / cyano's style pancakes on the right
txcpe 19.jpg
lc on left, which was used to knoc the three manure/brf pp5s in the middle, and a plain old brf/verm pint on the right

the LC is recovering nicely


other than what you see, my friend is all out of spores
Hoping for more time to work with the texas cope!

not the best flushes yet...
but have enough for an experience or two

[Hippie3]

why not just use a verm barrier on top like basic pf cake
for 'casing' layer by removing lid
like above ?

[mycobri]

thats how it's usually set up for sterilization and colonization
but then he usually removes the verm layer so the peat/cactus soil can be added


the original verm barrier is always fully colonized too

thanks
thats what will be done next batch
and it would be allot less work

[zeegos]

love to see the cyans, nice one mycobri
so is that just a perlite terrarium with manual fanning?
my first failure was to green and im thinking it might of been down to the RH, maybe the same problem you had?
anyway, enjoy!

[Foster]

Sweet grow! Very nice pics too! Love to see those rarities workin out!

Would be real sweet to see some spores too huh? Keep trying, cause it looks like you got it going quite nicely.

Congrats! enjoy the fruits of your labor

Foster

[oibchip]

congrats mycobri! those copes look really cool!

[jessaces]

nice real nice

[CoyoteMesc]

no spores, but you do have the lc

at least they grew man. Many peeps(including me self) attempt with failure to fruit em.. Thats the hardest part imo. They look gorgeous to me.
Good luck with the lc...keep us posted

[golly]

Everythings looking good Myco..Those gill shots really are different from other Pans, very wide...Too bad they're not sporeolating ,maybe the next batch will produce more..
I'm interested to see how those " Radel " cakes do for ya..What r the ingredients..?

[rip]

Originally Posted by mycobri

but still no spores

That may be a genetic defect. I had a multispore grow of Pan cams like that. I started it from a very faint print of the largest (unusually large) specimen of an earlier multispore grow (clone failed) which had weird gills like your pans. Second gen shrooms were of normal size but deformed, with similar weird gills and test print produced little or no spores.

[mycobri]

Thanks All for the good vibes!

Thats interesting rip

Originally Posted by golly

I'm interested to see how those " Radel " cakes do for ya..What r the ingredients..?

the outer shell is Agway premium potting soil, and the core is Hip's supercake formula (minus the worm casings), and has a thick dry verm barrier

Originally Posted by zeegos

so is that just a perlite terrarium with manual fanning?
my first failure was to green and im thinking it might of been down to the RH, maybe the same problem you had?
anyway, enjoy!

the first FC was a manual fan tub with no poly or holes.
the second FC was a short FC with press-n-seal and toothpic sized holes punched through.
pan fc top.jpg
some others are in this little pan-dome (salad bowl with perlite and small holes)
pandome.jpg
which is good for pinning, but the fruits cannot grow tall
RH seems good but i think they need more fresh air and taller fruiting chamber design too.

A big order of Mycrotopia 's pre-pasteurized Donkey doo / wheat straw mix just arrived so tex cope will be the first thing that gets spawned

[rip]

Originally Posted by mycobri

Thanks All for the good vibes!

Thats interesting rip

Spores or not, your pans look yummy anyway.

(My "sporeless" ones were not large exept the original specimen so I dropped that line. I was bit worried that it might be caused by a some inkd of virus which might affect my other pan grows. But I really do not know the cause.)

[mycobri]

the same jar is on its third flush. this time they fruited from the casing not the glass.
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again, the pans were albino-like, even the gills. and still no spores.
tex cope fruits.jpg
also the stems were damaged on purpose -and there was no blue bruising reaction

then it was realized that the dried fruits do not have any blue stains either.
tex cope dried non bruised.jpg

is it possible that they might be inactive?

theres only one way to be sure
but not ready for a bio-essay just yet

[Workman]

Wow, those really are sporeless. I don't think I have ever seen that trait in a Panaeolus and no bluing is odd too. Maybe they are really high in Psilocybin and no Psilocin.

[prankster]

I also had pans with no bluing reactions but they where still active.
The Pan Cambodginesis from my Grow are also show no bluing.

But the Pans look really nice, so just try it and give us an tripreport

[mycobri]

okay just ate a few little ones, maybe some more soon...

[mycobri]

okay the results are in.... and they are most definitely active

different feeling from other experiences, very "clear" feeling

ate 3 medium pans guessing about .4 grams
walked around until the sun came up - which was beautiful &
also made him realize it's Good to be alive

[CoyoteMesc]

sweet results,

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by mycobri

okay the results are in.... and they are most definitely active

different feeling from other experiences, very "clear" feeling

ate 3 medium pans guessing about .4 grams
walked around until the sun came up - which was beautiful &
also made him realize it's Good to be alive

excellent news there!
congrats

[alligator]

very nice

[Hippie3]

http://forums.mycotopia.net/exotic-m...-pancakes.html

[Freaky]

Too bad they are sporeless caps.

[mycobri]

it is now time that the LC be used up to further study these copelandia.
The LC was drawn up into 8 full syringes.

Being that they seemed to be working out well, generous amounts were used to knoc several more radel / cyano style pancakes in glass and plastic containers.

here are some of the ingedients:
Hip's supercake ingredients were used for the core
supercake ingedients.jpg

& the potting soil shell was agway brand
1 agway soil.jpg
a plastic cup was used for shaping the soil shell. soil was dropped in around the cup. then the cup is pressed against the jar edges compressing the soil
so the shape forms a cup
2 cup mold.jpg3 cup shaping.jpg
then the supercake core was added
4 dump core in brf.jpg5 supercake filling.jpg
and last but not least the dry verm barrier.
6 verm barrier.jpg

Thanks Golly for trying this method out first, it seems pretty promising
updates will be posted as fruits appear.
still hopeful for some spores

[Hippie3]

ah, a cup.
thx for that tip,
it'll be helpful .

[mycobri]

sure anytime

adding worm castings in the "shell" sounds like an interesting idea Hip
from this thread (a thought on the radel-cyano cake design [ castings or potting soil ?])

the texas cope cup-cakes have layers of overlay going on.
they just wont pin. also these cakes are the 1/2 pint size
tex cope overlay radel style.jpg

in the same chamber pan cyan viets on on there third flush already.
plus they were birthed the same day as the texas copes.
dont know why the copelandias are not pinning though
just a comparison between the viets and the very pale texas copes so far.
these viets bruise and sporulate like normal pans.
pan viet above.jpg viet flush three.jpg
and these radel cyano style cakes from PP5 containers are also bigger than the small tex cope cakes.
so a batch of larger cakes from pp5 containers will be started with the lc.

either way this style of "core" and "shell" works pretty good and it seems like multiple flushes are possible

All the LC will be used up to further study the copes for spores, signs of bruising and potency

amazing stuff mycobri

[mycobri]

thanx vinz!

this is some spawn that is ready now.
amazing that these jars were fully colonized in only 6 days
as generous amounts of lc were used (about 3 cc per jar)
and i think Hips supercake ingredients in the core helped


on the left are radel cyano style at different stages of colonization.
they will all be birthed now to see if there is any difference in performance
the cores are probably colonized
(the spores are injected into the core by aiming the needles inwards towards the center of the jar)

in the middle is maybe a syringe or two worth of lc, which is so cloudy at this point.
but with a flashlight nice big white whispy chunks are floating all throughout
it has been getting thicker in the TIT incubator.
the lid on the LC has a silicon port near the edge for drawing the lc up.
a quarter size hole is drilled in the lid and tyvek is placed under the lid.

on the right are brf/verm cake spawn.
not sure what to do with it just yet
one thought is to spawn the cakes to mycrotopia straw/donkeydoo mix to try and achieve a larger pinset and more fruits

all jars will be exposed to room temps and natural light for a few days
before birthing to try to initiate pinning earlier

[the jesus]

Looking good bri, I am wondering, are you dunking between flushes, or are they too fragile with that outer shell?