BRF Discs

the jesus · 07-11-07, 15:52

I remember seeing this a while back, but couldn't find the thread.

I have been using these big Ziploc plastic jars for spawn cakes, they take a while to colonize but half the work for twice the spawn is nice.

So I had two that I didn't need for spawn so I decided to try a little expirement. The size of them got me thinking that there would probably be some waste of nutrients in the middle if I just fruited them as cakes. So I decided to cut one of them up into 1/4" thick discs in the hopes of getting a better yield.

It's nice to have a good sharp knife for this. In this pic you can see the plastic Ziploc jars I spoke of.

Here is the first disc

Here is them all

I gave them a super light double end casing because I only had fine verm which I don't really like for casings.

I decided to kinda treat it like a crumbled casing since the myc probably needs to recover so I covered it as I would a casing and put it back into the incubator for a bit.

You can't see them in the pic but there are a bunch of tiny holes in the top.

So thats it for now I am going to fruit the other one as a cake to see if there is any difference in yield. I am hoping more surface area will lead to more pins and they will take advantage of all the nutrients in this big ol' cake.

If anyone happens to have a link to the thread that I blatantly stole this idea from please post it so credit can go where it is due.

Hippie3 · 07-11-07, 15:57

there are a few similar teks around here
Mycotopia Web Archive: Patrick's Sliced Flat Cake Tek
Mycotopia Web Archive: OT's Wafer Tek

as well as other variants.
http://forums.mycotopia.net/mushroom...ek-edging.html (New Tek... "edging" :))
Mycotopia Web Archive: Eatyualive's Flat Cake Tek

my only criticism would be
i think the discs should be slightly thicker, ~1"
to support large shrooms.
but the concept itself is quite solid,
you should see a good pinset.
i also think
coir might have been good in the casing.
nicely illustrated!

the jesus · 07-11-07, 16:04

Thanks Hip.

That OT's wafer tek link is the one I saw. I would love to see a pinset like that.

07-11-07, 16:05

yeah, thats a neat idea. I'd also be a little worried about the discs drying
out since they are so thin. might want to give em a thick under casing
that they can draw water from. excited to see how this works out.

-DM-

seymorebunz · 07-11-07, 16:07

TJ....I actually sliced up one of the substrates in my sandbags after a first flush. Very similiar, the mycelium did recover and produce quite well. I've just been to busy to document any of it.

Way cool bro!!

Hippie3 · 07-11-07, 16:13

Mycotopia Web Archive: SOS Tek???

Quine · 07-11-07, 16:58

How are you setting up those ziplock jars? I have tryed one that way and sorta liked it, I did a bad incolu and got contams. Did you use tyrek? Put holes in the lid? Anyone tried using that press and seal as a sealing layer?

mark · 07-11-07, 17:02

Knice Knife

the jesus · 07-11-07, 17:06

I just heated up a needle and pushed it through the top for the inoculation points. I used six around the outside and one in the middle because of their size. I like them a lot more than glass, they are a little pricey compared to glass but they seem like they are going to last forever.

lost_onabbey_rd · 07-11-07, 22:06

right on jesus
i just got some similar ones from walmart.. 925ml.. so you figure it's about 3.5 half pints (250ml). and at a price of $3 for 4.. that's 3.7L total space for $3.. as opposed to $10 for a 12 pack of 1/2 pint jars which is only 3L total space.
a good deal, imo, and you can steam them like your normal pf cakes, i did mine for 2 hours, more so b/c i'm lazy then any other reason.
i used about 7-8cc to innoculate it.. 6 holes around the outside and 3 in the middle.
lost

mycobri · 07-11-07, 22:50

nice experimentation

hope to see some fruits off those coin shaped-cake slices

what strain btw?

loki38 · 07-12-07, 13:39

good info to know.

the jesus · 07-25-07, 18:28

Update. I didn't get pics of the first flush but it came in at 16 grams dry. Not bad for one cake. Here are some pics of the second flush, the discs don't seem to want to flush at the same time, some are ready to harvest and some are just pinning. Overall I would say I am going to get much more out of this than if I had fruited it as one cake, and that is with less than stellar pinsets.

i

Hippie3 · 07-25-07, 18:32

very nicely shows the benefits

reefer · 07-25-07, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by the jesus

Update. I didn't get pics of the first flush but it came in at 16 grams dry. Not bad for one cake.

Not bad at all. Foaf usually gets around 7g a cake and he was pretty proud of that.

good work

jimbojones · 07-25-07, 19:09

What's is that Mariachi song I hear.?.?.

Wait, it's Hotel California in Spanish!

You are a slick pimp DeJ.

07-26-07, 09:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefer

Not bad at all. Foaf usually gets around 7g a cake and he was pretty proud of that.

good work

you shouldn't be sad about 7 g. a cake, reefer. This is a much larger cake.

nice job, jesus! did you dunk the disks for the second flush?

-DM-

the jesus · 07-26-07, 10:13

Yeah I dunked for 12 hours I was afraid they would fall apart going any longer, might try 24 hrs. between flushes 2 and 3.

Quote:

This is a much larger cake.

It is just over a pint.

seymorebunz · 07-26-07, 10:17

Nicely done

Freaky · 07-26-07, 21:20

Those caps are pretty!

Thats a nice yield, thanks for doing a grow log with this method.

CoyoteMesc · 07-26-07, 21:27

great job jesus
excellent results
btw this was a multi spore too, right?
not a LC ?

the jesus · 07-26-07, 23:43

Yup, multispore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mycobri

what strain btw?

Z of course, more of your children bri.

eastwood · 07-27-07, 01:29

nice concept ....

mycobri · 07-27-07, 02:52

wow mang! i'll be cutting up all my cakes this fall because of this thread! nice results TJ!

inspiring work indeed

CoyoteMesc · 07-27-07, 08:47

Quote:

Yup, multi spore

I'd like to see an iso done using this method.

, Coyote may have to get the agar out..

Ive been really wanting to play with some dishes.

the jesus · 07-27-07, 17:11

I just weighed the second flush, it came in at 18 grams dry. So far I've gotten 34 grams from one 1pint cake, with more flushes to come, I'd say that is pretty damn good.

Cowcharmer · 07-27-07, 19:13

You say the first flush came in at 16 grams dry ?
did you mean wet ? or did you really mean dry ?

By the looks of your pics. That looks like a 25-30 grams "wet" flush.

or are you holding out on the pictures ?

Cowcharmer · 07-27-07, 19:16

the jesus · 07-27-07, 19:20

Dry, I didn't get pics of the first flush and the pics of the second isn't nearly done.
Heres a pic of a disc that shows what they looked like before harvest so multiply that by six.
Works out to about 3 dry grams per disc

Cowcharmer · 07-27-07, 19:36

Wow !

golly · 07-27-07, 20:33

What a great pic.!!.
Looks like a real efficient use of substrate....Nice...

Lazlo · 07-27-07, 22:55

Dude, that's crazy! Nice.

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07-11-07, 15:57	#2 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36,323	there are a few similar teks around here Mycotopia Web Archive: Patrick's Sliced Flat Cake Tek Mycotopia Web Archive: OT's Wafer Tek as well as other variants. http://forums.mycotopia.net/mushroom...ek-edging.html (New Tek... "edging" :)) Mycotopia Web Archive: Eatyualive's Flat Cake Tek my only criticism would be i think the discs should be slightly thicker, ~1" to support large shrooms. but the concept itself is quite solid, you should see a good pinset. i also think coir might have been good in the casing. nicely illustrated! __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

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the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,580	I just heated up a needle and pushed it through the top for the inoculation points. I used six around the outside and one in the middle because of their size. I like them a lot more than glass, they are a little pricey compared to glass but they seem like they are going to last forever. __________________ No left turn unstoned newbie? - click here

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~Doesntmatter Guest Posts: n/a	yeah, thats a neat idea. I'd also be a little worried about the discs drying out since they are so thin. might want to give em a thick under casing that they can draw water from. excited to see how this works out. -DM-

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Quine VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 163	How are you setting up those ziplock jars? I have tryed one that way and sorta liked it, I did a bad incolu and got contams. Did you use tyrek? Put holes in the lid? Anyone tried using that press and seal as a sealing layer?

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lost_onabbey_rd The Lost Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,359	right on jesus i just got some similar ones from walmart.. 925ml.. so you figure it's about 3.5 half pints (250ml). and at a price of $3 for 4.. that's 3.7L total space for $3.. as opposed to $10 for a 12 pack of 1/2 pint jars which is only 3L total space. a good deal, imo, and you can steam them like your normal pf cakes, i did mine for 2 hours, more so b/c i'm lazy then any other reason. i used about 7-8cc to innoculate it.. 6 holes around the outside and 3 in the middle. lost __________________ Plant a seed, It will grow, So it's been, Sow the show To think outside the box, sometimes it is nessecary to step, outside the box

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mycobri Stained Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,449	nice experimentation hope to see some fruits off those coin shaped-cake slices what strain btw?

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Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36,323	very nicely shows the benefits __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

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CoyoteMesc KEY MASTER Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,514	great job jesus excellent results btw this was a multi spore too, right? not a LC ? __________________ Last edited by CoyoteMesc : 07-27-07 at 08:44. Reason: spaced question mark so that LC would "link"

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eastwood Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 1,901	nice concept ....

07-27-07, 02:52	#24 (permalink)
mycobri Stained Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,449	wow mang! i'll be cutting up all my cakes this fall because of this thread! nice results TJ! inspiring work indeed

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the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,580	I just weighed the second flush, it came in at 18 grams dry. So far I've gotten 34 grams from one 1pint cake, with more flushes to come, I'd say that is pretty damn good. __________________ No left turn unstoned newbie? - click here

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Cowcharmer Mycophage Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 170	You say the first flush came in at 16 grams dry ? did you mean wet ? or did you really mean dry ? By the looks of your pics. That looks like a 25-30 grams "wet" flush. or are you holding out on the pictures ?

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golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,669	What a great pic.!!. Looks like a real efficient use of substrate....Nice...

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