create Spore Prints & syringes ? [merged]

felixdgr81 · 02-15-05, 16:34

I am fruiting texas and taking prints on foil using the ol' inverted jar technique. I have observed that recently I am having difficulty producing nice dark prints. My prints have become very light in nature, even if I leave the caps on the foil for an extended period of time. I have left them on for 48-72 hours in some cases and still they are "light", as compared to the prints I collected from the first couple of flushes I had from this strain. I was fruiting amazonians before and never encountered this. I looked in the archives and whatnot, but I was wondering if anyone has observed simillar behaviour from the texas strain or other strains, and if so, how can this be combated?

Any assistance is appreciated.

insight · 02-15-05, 16:48

My experiences have been to cut the cap early. Some may disagree, but this is where I have had luck. Around 1-3 days or so after veil break, when the cap has not fully lifted, I'll cut the cap off and place for printing. It seem that if the cap has already lifted (flatened), its too late and you lost a lot of spore. This is only my experience. I cant speak specifically for Texas prints, but Cubs in general.

felixdgr81 · 02-15-05, 17:18

I have traditionaly collected caps for printing the very first moment that I observe they are flat on the bottom, but before any visible spores have been released. (purple dust) That said, I normally get really nice dark purple prints using this method. Only recently have the prints been weak. I noticed that according to TMC, proper prints can be obtained while the veil is still attached to the cap, and in keeping with that, I have tried to collect earlier than usual as a way to overcome this issue. I have found that the prints are still weak even then. I am begining to wonder if there is an issue during fruiting that might be causing this, as I am fruiting from both streight verm casings and non cased cakes and prints from both are coming out this way. Strange indeed.

insight · 02-15-05, 17:23

You have a good point. I dont know if the fruiting conditions may/may not play a role in the mushrooms depositing spores. It could be humidity related, but cant say for sure. I have recently been printing CR's and most of them are printing lightly compared to others.

(Message edited by insight on February 15, 2005)

02-15-05, 17:28

That's way too early to pick for printing. You should wait until the cap is dropping spores profusely before you pick it. Place it on your printing medium and leave for only a couple of hours. If you leave a cap printing for too long, there is the possibility of bacterial contamination. I also do not use a glass over the cap. Lay a paper towel or wax paper over it so air can circulate. That will also help to keep bacteria from forming.

fender · 02-15-05, 21:10

Agreed.
i think you should also wait until the caps start turing black with spore deposits.
I have had good results from early picking, but they were not consistent.
Who knows if you are prematurely picking a low spore dropper, or even a sterile fruit?
But if you see a lot of spores being dropped by one speciman, you know you will get a thick print.

felixdgr81 · 02-16-05, 08:03

Thanks for the info fellas. I pulled one last night that was heavily dropping spores and sure enough it produced a much better print. You guys pm me if you want one! Least I can do.

02-16-05, 09:11

"Lay a paper towel or wax paper over it so air can circulate"

When you do this.. do you need to use a glovebox to take your print?

For example if i had a peice of Tyvek I would just lay the cap on top and then lay a paper towl over it and thats it? Do you need to store the spore print in a sterile bag ?

By the way Rodger..did you ever post a pic of your glovebox? I wanted to see what you were talking about as far as using the flame outside in the other post

(Message edited by sugnuf on February 16, 2005)

02-16-05, 09:37

I guess a piece of tyvek would be better than a paper towel for over the top. It's best to do spore printing in a glovebox, yes. You just don't want the cap too wet, because that feeds the bacteria. Don't mist on the day you're going to pick for printing.

I'll try to get some pictures of the glovebox up later.

tobynutz · 03-02-05, 01:01

is this dark enough????? lol as u can see i made 1 20cc syringe with one large mex-pal print. i made the syringe with honey water so it will turn to my soon as i hope to use it for all these grain jars i have laying around. hopefully i didnt screw anything up lol this was my first time making a syringe

cutty · 03-02-05, 01:04

Very good job....You can probably make 15 more 20cc syringes from that easily.

python · 03-02-05, 01:27

my syringes are usually clear except for a few specs.......but i know there are millions of spores in there.......

you might experience some clogging problems with that syringe........

lost_onabbey_rd · 03-02-05, 02:11

i personally have had no luck with karo syringes... syringes are not air tight and i've found that they contam on me if i leave karo water in them, hope this is not the case for you but this has been my experience with them thus far...
LOST

sinthetic · 03-02-05, 02:35

yeah man, that syringe is wayyyyy to light.

j/k

03-02-05, 10:27

Dark enough? How could it get any darker? You do plan on making more syringes out of that don't ya? Damn dark syringe! LOL

destroy_erase_improve · 03-02-05, 10:42

is there any water in there?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!!!
yeah you could probably have made about 20 syringes out of that, seriously.

keep us posted on what its used for

I_am_me · 03-02-05, 10:58

From your average sized dark print I like to make around 6 syringes or so.

insight · 03-02-05, 13:28

Holy Shit! That looks like coffee, not a spore syringe! Colonization time should be very fast with that many spores (if not diluted).
Good Luck Toby.

cutty · 03-04-05, 01:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by insight

Holy Shit! That looks like coffee, not a spore syringe! Colonization time should be very fast with that many spores (if not diluted).
Good Luck Toby.

Exactly,I used a syringe that looked somethin like Toby's and 11 days later the whole outside of the jars (1 Pint) are colo'd and thats a multispore (5cc) nocc up I'm talkin...Now Im confused to how much longer to wait until the inside of the substrate is fully colo'd.

Good luck Toby.

insight · 03-22-05, 22:47

So while I was at Wally World tonight, I remembered that if Jet Dry is added to spore water, it acts as a suspension agent. How much would I add to 10-12cc's of water. Also, whats the deal with Astrolube?

destroy_erase_improve · 03-22-05, 23:03

im not sure of the percentage used
but i remember reading that its risky to use cause it can cause early myc growth making legal syringes
turn illegal fast

insight · 03-22-05, 23:05

So theres some nutes in it?

insight · 03-22-05, 23:08

Im looking at the bottle, but it doesnt list active ingredients. It does say it contains citric acid, DO NOT mix with chlorine bleach or any other product as harmful fumes may result.

insight · 03-22-05, 23:09

I think I got the wrong bottle. It is the dishwasher cleaner, not the rinsing agent. Shit!

destroy_erase_improve · 03-22-05, 23:12

not sure whats in it to be honest
just remember that lil tidbit of info

insight · 03-22-05, 23:13

I appreciate it. Im going to have to go back up and get the other kind.

sleepwalker · 03-23-05, 20:08

from what understand pf was using astro lube and jet dry to suspend spores and from what i here you should only use a few drops per half pint of sterile water.somebody correct me if im wrong...peace.....

smegma · 03-23-05, 20:43

Jet Dry is a surficant, it helps disperse the spores.
Astroglide helps keep them suspended.

highflyer · 03-23-05, 22:46

The ratio is 1 drop of jet dry per 20cc of water.

smegma · 03-24-05, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by highflyer

The ratio is 1 drop of jet dry per 20cc of water.

How much lube? or is it necessary?

Hippie3 · 03-24-05, 10:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by smegma

How much lube? or is it necessary?

Formulation of 6 drops JetDry & 4 drops AstroGlide per 1000ml distilled water

insight · 03-24-05, 12:10

Thanks again. I still havent made it back to the store to get the right kind of Jet Dry.

chill · 03-30-05, 00:44

I just recently took multiple prints off of a single cap over four and a half days.

Basically one print a day.

Is this right? How long should a person leave a cap to print before making another print?

Should one even take multiple prints but instead leave the cap in one spot the whole time to get all the spores?

cutty · 03-30-05, 01:17

Id just leave it one spot..But four days is kinda long.You only need to leave the cap 24 hours to get a good print.

I like the mg's on your avatar...LoL

shedthemonkey · 03-30-05, 08:44

I have been printing multiple times too. I stop printing if the cap starts to look in any way ill (slimy bacteria or fuzzy) or if it shrivels up and just stops producing spores. I used to only do one reallllllly dark print, but the spores were so thick they would flake off the print in chunks and then they wouldn't look so nice. There are many ways and preferences...just try to keep them clean.

destroy_erase_improve · 03-30-05, 09:02

12-24 hours per print is common
light or dark is ok, some prefer dark more
keep on print for as long as you can keep it sterile and the cap isnt rotting
congrats
it takes some people a long time to learn how to print
your on the road to self reliancy now

(although trading and giving prints away to topia is also a good thing)

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02-15-05, 16:34	#1 (permalink)
felixdgr81 Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 45	create Spore Prints & syringes ? [merged] I am fruiting texas and taking prints on foil using the ol' inverted jar technique. I have observed that recently I am having difficulty producing nice dark prints. My prints have become very light in nature, even if I leave the caps on the foil for an extended period of time. I have left them on for 48-72 hours in some cases and still they are "light", as compared to the prints I collected from the first couple of flushes I had from this strain. I was fruiting amazonians before and never encountered this. I looked in the archives and whatnot, but I was wondering if anyone has observed simillar behaviour from the texas strain or other strains, and if so, how can this be combated? Any assistance is appreciated. __________________ "We have to show these men and women freedom by enslaving them, and show them courage by frightening them." -Tyler Durden

02-15-05, 16:48	#2 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	My experiences have been to cut the cap early. Some may disagree, but this is where I have had luck. Around 1-3 days or so after veil break, when the cap has not fully lifted, I'll cut the cap off and place for printing. It seem that if the cap has already lifted (flatened), its too late and you lost a lot of spore. This is only my experience. I cant speak specifically for Texas prints, but Cubs in general. __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

02-15-05, 17:18	#3 (permalink)
felixdgr81 Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 45	I have traditionaly collected caps for printing the very first moment that I observe they are flat on the bottom, but before any visible spores have been released. (purple dust) That said, I normally get really nice dark purple prints using this method. Only recently have the prints been weak. I noticed that according to TMC, proper prints can be obtained while the veil is still attached to the cap, and in keeping with that, I have tried to collect earlier than usual as a way to overcome this issue. I have found that the prints are still weak even then. I am begining to wonder if there is an issue during fruiting that might be causing this, as I am fruiting from both streight verm casings and non cased cakes and prints from both are coming out this way. Strange indeed. __________________ "We have to show these men and women freedom by enslaving them, and show them courage by frightening them." -Tyler Durden

02-15-05, 17:23	#4 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	You have a good point. I dont know if the fruiting conditions may/may not play a role in the mushrooms depositing spores. It could be humidity related, but cant say for sure. I have recently been printing CR's and most of them are printing lightly compared to others. (Message edited by insight on February 15, 2005) __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

02-15-05, 17:28	#5 (permalink)
~rodger Guest Posts: n/a	That's way too early to pick for printing. You should wait until the cap is dropping spores profusely before you pick it. Place it on your printing medium and leave for only a couple of hours. If you leave a cap printing for too long, there is the possibility of bacterial contamination. I also do not use a glass over the cap. Lay a paper towel or wax paper over it so air can circulate. That will also help to keep bacteria from forming.

02-15-05, 21:10	#6 (permalink)
fender Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 66	Agreed. i think you should also wait until the caps start turing black with spore deposits. I have had good results from early picking, but they were not consistent. Who knows if you are prematurely picking a low spore dropper, or even a sterile fruit? But if you see a lot of spores being dropped by one speciman, you know you will get a thick print.

02-16-05, 08:03	#7 (permalink)
felixdgr81 Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 45	Thanks for the info fellas. I pulled one last night that was heavily dropping spores and sure enough it produced a much better print. You guys pm me if you want one! Least I can do. __________________ "We have to show these men and women freedom by enslaving them, and show them courage by frightening them." -Tyler Durden

02-16-05, 09:11	#8 (permalink)
~sugnuf Guest Posts: n/a	"Lay a paper towel or wax paper over it so air can circulate" When you do this.. do you need to use a glovebox to take your print? For example if i had a peice of Tyvek I would just lay the cap on top and then lay a paper towl over it and thats it? Do you need to store the spore print in a sterile bag ? By the way Rodger..did you ever post a pic of your glovebox? I wanted to see what you were talking about as far as using the flame outside in the other post (Message edited by sugnuf on February 16, 2005)

02-16-05, 09:37	#9 (permalink)
~rodger Guest Posts: n/a	I guess a piece of tyvek would be better than a paper towel for over the top. It's best to do spore printing in a glovebox, yes. You just don't want the cap too wet, because that feeds the bacteria. Don't mist on the day you're going to pick for printing. I'll try to get some pictures of the glovebox up later.

03-02-05, 01:04	#11 (permalink)
cutty AKA~ Shaftner Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 1,605	Very good job....You can probably make 15 more 20cc syringes from that easily. __________________ I'd rather be sharin flowers, Then in the pen sharin showers.

03-02-05, 01:27	#12 (permalink)
python Virtuoso Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,652	my syringes are usually clear except for a few specs.......but i know there are millions of spores in there....... you might experience some clogging problems with that syringe........

03-02-05, 02:11	#13 (permalink)
lost_onabbey_rd The Lost Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,359	i personally have had no luck with karo syringes... syringes are not air tight and i've found that they contam on me if i leave karo water in them, hope this is not the case for you but this has been my experience with them thus far... LOST __________________ Plant a seed, It will grow, So it's been, Sow the show To think outside the box, sometimes it is nessecary to step, outside the box

03-02-05, 02:35	#14 (permalink)
sinthetic i party like a rock star Join Date: Apr 1970 Posts: 870	yeah man, that syringe is wayyyyy to light. j/k Last edited by Hippie3 : 03-03-06 at 07:28.

03-02-05, 10:27	#15 (permalink)
~dial8 Guest Posts: n/a	Dark enough? How could it get any darker? You do plan on making more syringes out of that don't ya? Damn dark syringe! LOL

03-02-05, 10:42	#16 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	is there any water in there?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!!! yeah you could probably have made about 20 syringes out of that, seriously. keep us posted on what its used for __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

03-02-05, 10:58	#17 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,366	From your average sized dark print I like to make around 6 syringes or so. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

03-02-05, 13:28	#18 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	Holy Shit! That looks like coffee, not a spore syringe! Colonization time should be very fast with that many spores (if not diluted). Good Luck Toby. __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-22-05, 22:47	#20 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	Spore solution with Jet Dry So while I was at Wally World tonight, I remembered that if Jet Dry is added to spore water, it acts as a suspension agent. How much would I add to 10-12cc's of water. Also, whats the deal with Astrolube? __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-22-05, 23:03	#21 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	im not sure of the percentage used but i remember reading that its risky to use cause it can cause early myc growth making legal syringes turn illegal fast __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

03-22-05, 23:05	#22 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	So theres some nutes in it? __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-22-05, 23:08	#23 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	Im looking at the bottle, but it doesnt list active ingredients. It does say it contains citric acid, DO NOT mix with chlorine bleach or any other product as harmful fumes may result. __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-22-05, 23:09	#24 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	I think I got the wrong bottle. It is the dishwasher cleaner, not the rinsing agent. Shit! __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-22-05, 23:12	#25 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	not sure whats in it to be honest just remember that lil tidbit of info __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

03-22-05, 23:13	#26 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	I appreciate it. Im going to have to go back up and get the other kind. __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-23-05, 20:08	#27 (permalink)
sleepwalker Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 412	from what understand pf was using astro lube and jet dry to suspend spores and from what i here you should only use a few drops per half pint of sterile water.somebody correct me if im wrong...peace.....

03-23-05, 20:43	#28 (permalink)
smegma Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 369	Jet Dry is a surficant, it helps disperse the spores. Astroglide helps keep them suspended.

03-23-05, 22:46	#29 (permalink)
highflyer Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 1971 Posts: 399	The ratio is 1 drop of jet dry per 20cc of water. __________________ "A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle

03-24-05, 12:10	#32 (permalink)
insight Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1970 Posts: 836	Thanks again. I still havent made it back to the store to get the right kind of Jet Dry. __________________ "I create cultures, not those of politics and society, but those for the good of the people" -Myself

03-30-05, 00:44	#33 (permalink)
chill celtic tiger Join Date: May 1972 Posts: 950	How long to print I just recently took multiple prints off of a single cap over four and a half days. Basically one print a day. Is this right? How long should a person leave a cap to print before making another print? Should one even take multiple prints but instead leave the cap in one spot the whole time to get all the spores?

03-30-05, 01:17	#34 (permalink)
cutty AKA~ Shaftner Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 1,605	Id just leave it one spot..But four days is kinda long.You only need to leave the cap 24 hours to get a good print. I like the mg's on your avatar...LoL __________________ I'd rather be sharin flowers, Then in the pen sharin showers. Last edited by cutty : 03-30-05 at 01:22.

03-30-05, 08:44	#35 (permalink)
shedthemonkey Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 1,417	I have been printing multiple times too. I stop printing if the cap starts to look in any way ill (slimy bacteria or fuzzy) or if it shrivels up and just stops producing spores. I used to only do one reallllllly dark print, but the spores were so thick they would flake off the print in chunks and then they wouldn't look so nice. There are many ways and preferences...just try to keep them clean. __________________ A Buddhist walks up to a Hot Dog Stand and says "Make me one with everything."

03-30-05, 09:02	#36 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	12-24 hours per print is common light or dark is ok, some prefer dark more keep on print for as long as you can keep it sterile and the cap isnt rotting congrats it takes some people a long time to learn how to print your on the road to self reliancy now (although trading and giving prints away to topia is also a good thing) __________________ Destroy Erase Improve