Shakin these now a good idea?

[FuzzyLogic]

What do you guys think, are these 20% colonized?
They are only 7 days prego after getting Knocked up!
To shake or not to shake (now) That is the question>?

[oibchip]

Can't hurt

[FuzzyLogic]

This is my first try with WBS and so far its been great!
Fast as HELL! I got them incubating at 85 deg. so that
helps speed things up alot

[Hippie3]

those appear to be ready enough
but don't over-do it,
one good shake session
that mixes it up well
then let it finish,
do not shake every few days as some do..

[srgtm1a]

If you are going to shake, this would be the appropriate time to do so.

I personally never shake during colonization. If you shake too hard, you could damage the mycelium to a point where it won't recover.

What I do is PC the jars.... right when it finishes PCing....I open the pc, shake the hell out of the jar and let cool.

When I inoculate, I tip the grain on a 45 deg angle and shoot in spores right down the middle of it, so it hits just about everything in the center. Then I shake the ever loving shit out of it again.

Doing this, I have found that colonization is pretty uniform (covering all sides of the jar) during incubation and I don't need to shake again.

[FuzzyLogic]

So let them go untill 100% and then scoop out or shake them and scoop out to case> would they even shake up at 100% colonized?
Whats your favorite to case WBS ? im thinking 50/50 verm/coir and do some 50/50 verm/ cactus soil. Or do you think verm and peat are best? Sorry for all the questions Hippie your info is much needed

[FuzzyLogic]

Thats impresive SGTm1a ive wondered about more innoc. teks? it sounds better than mine. This time i am doing qt. jars and the WBS is 2/3 full, but my needle was'nt long enough to even reach the WBS so I just sqirted it down the sie the best I could and spun the jar after to spread it around, that is why i got uneven colonization. For sure your pics look good ill have to try that!

Oh by the way here is a pic of my incubator > its a 22 gal tote with 1-1/2 foam insulation cut to size to make it a big ass cooler and the Pickle jar tek to make it a discreet sweet incubator works great and can hold 42 Qt. jars no prob.
and keep it at 85 deg.

[apokalypse]

Yes, because they are little individual pieces of WBS they'll still separate. You can probably shake them out evenly over whatever bulk sub you choose to use.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by FuzzyLogic

Thats impresive SGTm1a ive wondered about more innoc. teks? it sounds better than mine. This time i am doing qt. jars and the WBS is 2/3 full, but my needle was'nt long enough to even reach the WBS so I just sqirted it down the sie the best I could and spun the jar after to spread it around, that is why i got uneven colonization. For sure your pics look good ill have to try that!

Some people don't even spray down the side, just on top...which causes colonization to go from top down...and take forever.

Tipping the grain and shooting down the center of it, allows the spores to be distributed more evenly when you shake the hell out of it.

Shooting the spores down the side of the glass, much like brf jars, will sink to the bottom and start colonizing there. Even shaking WBS after inoculating like that, most of the solution will remain at the bottom.

PS...with WBS your needle doesn't need to touch the WBS, 2/3 full is about right. One of my jars in that pic are over filled.

[FuzzyLogic]

Thanks for the info SRGTm1a! I was gonna ckeck out some ways to innoc these Qt. jars of WBS and this makes sense so ill try it on the next batch in 2 weeks and show u the change . Any good advice on G2G? How much spawn is needed for a Qt. jar?

[tbonus]

I learned a lot from this thread,thanks guys!

[srgtm1a]

Can't give you an exact amount, I just eyeball it. Not a whole lot though. 1 colonized WBS jar should be plenty to g2g 10-15 more jars if that helps.

[FuzzyLogic]

Awesome Yea that helps ALOT! seeing as i was thinking 1 jar would spawn 4 or 5 haha its gonna be alot faster to fill this up I just gotta hang plastic

[srgtm1a]

Nice room!

[fungus_amung_us]

Definitly shake them, i shake just a bit, on a solid, padded object, such as a padded couch, just once if at all, it depends on how well it colinizes. i would reccomend 50/50 Verm Coco

[FuzzyLogic]

Its getting air fed with a honeywell hepa air purifier jimmyrigged to blow clean air into the room, and exaust air from the room out
a blow hole down low with furnace material to backup air pressure.
2 vicks ultrasonics 1.5 gal. humidify the air with prewired humidistat for 90% RH

[TVCasualty]

Adding a pinch of gypsum to the recipe helps with breaking up the grain during shaking, in case you wait too long and let it get tenacious.

My favorite shake-assist tool is a five-gallon bucket upside down on the floor with a large folded towel on it. I hold the jar by the neck, just under the lid, while wearing a leather glove and smack it on the edge of the bucket (which is covered with that towel), trying to hit it perfectly flat (horizontal). After the initial clumps have busted up (five or six whacks, average) I switch to regular old shaking, and only shake once. I've had a few jars break while shaking, so that's why I only hold them by the neck and wear a glove (I live alone and don't want to have to drive myself to the ER while bleeding profusely). I also set my bucket on a big piece of plastic to catch any messes from a busted jar. The bucket w/towel is also my lab chair...cheap and easy to keep real clean.

FuzzyLogic: nice big clean space ya got there...looks ambitious.I don't know how much of that room you intend to fill on this run, but I'd recommend getting a few solid smaller-scale successes under your belt before trying to max out that much space. It can save you a lot of wasted effort if something goes wrong. Unfamiliar methods, less-experienced growers, and Hidden Variables have a way of thwarting plans. That can dampen enthusiasm for the hobby at least, or massively contaminate a house at worst (this comes from my own hard-won experience). Also, you could transfer your spawn to only 4 or 5 jars instead of 10-15, which will make them colonize that much faster and get you a harvest that much sooner...AND, watch out for thermogenesis...85 degree air in the box means a lot hotter in the jars as colonization progresses. I used to push the temp. envelope after seeing that graph in Stamet's book showing max growth of cubensis at 86 degrees, but now I incubate at about 75, which means probably close to 86 inside the jar. Good luck!

[FuzzyLogic]

Well, all are shaken and shook well heheha SMOOOTH no problem shaking, maybe NAN's point to add 10 drops of jet dry per litre of water when soaking the WBS helps with clumping pre and post innoc. hm?
had to step away and the old WIDOW after that. Thanks for all the info guys
i'll for sure keep ya posted on the progress and the questions. Ive always been on a small scale with pf tek and greenhouses and a FOAF uses grain and likes it and has great fruits just casing in 50/50 mixes >coir,peat and not even spawning to BULK SUB < thats what i will get into later with 'topians grace

[FuzzyLogic]

Hey thanks TVcasualty for the info > I got them incubating at 83 deg.
I heard that they are about 2-3 deg. warmer than the ambient temp. ,in that case ill bring it down a couple deg. to be safe. I read in statement's book he says that MYC. dies at 104 deg. So higher temps may be worse for other reasons than easier contams in the jar? So far ive only lost 4 or 5 jars to contams out of 150 or so. Maybe it helps to be clean and work out of a glove box even tho it sucks and never enough room.

[sandman]

sounds like you need a flowhood

[FuzzyLogic]

Wow! I checked on them 30 hrs after shaking and BAM 95% DONE! all 42 of them, no laggers at all! I Love WBS so far. Only 8 days after innoc. and im preping materials to start cases tommorow!
I am still stoked about the time it takes for WBS so far, but the grass is always greener where a cow took a shit so i might have to give this SHIT>horsepoo< a try

[Cryingblackoil]

My friend can never break anything up when she shakes. The colonized part is cemented in place right up to the edge. Maybe three of four grains loosen if she is lucky but thats it and she gets downright abusive to it. Any advice?

[Hippie3]

are you shaking right after PCing while still warm ?

[FuzzyLogic]

Yea hippie , shook em 1 min. after PCing and no prob shaking then.
Tek was soaking Penningtons WBS 16 hrs. in hot water with 10 drops of jet dry per litre of water then strained and rinsed 3 times with hot water let drain in 5 gal. bucket with holes in lid and screen for 1 hr.
Load up in jars an PC away! Looks like this Tek is worked great the first time out > GOOD INFO IN THE VAULTS TO ALL FROM ALL

[FuzzyLogic]

CBlackOil > my shakin way is to grab the neck of the jar with clean
towel or gloves and bang against a clean phonebook on a countertop
or desk being careful not to beat the Myc into a Coma then shake around so there is no Myc seen. It might also be shaking at the right time so there is not too much myc and getting your water content right. Take this with the biggest clump of salt tho, all this w-BS info is from the Vaults and this first try with WBS but so far I am in LOVE L-U-V

[Cryingblackoil]

No she didn't. But afterwards she said they shake fine....until it gets colonized. Then those suckers are crazyglued in.

[srgtm1a]

The phone book sounds like a pretty good idea...it will absorb the impact instead of the glass. What also works is if you have a car tire that isn't being used in the garage. The rubber absorbes all of the impact so the glass won't break.

[sandman]

yea the best way to shake is to beat the jar on a phone book or tire real hard. It will break up after about 10 solid wacks.

[Elf Salvation]

Very good job there fuzzy

I hope we see some fruits

[{Mr}fLoYd]

I am a fan of popcorn but its still a grain. i wrap my jars in a hand towel from the bathroom, then hit it on my bicycle seat, when the jars are wrapped in the towel they are sure to prevent any dammage to me or messy clean up if they break and a bike seat or pumped up tire i have found works well to absorb impact. no broken jars as of yet