Honey extract Tek for Cubensis

golly · 07-09-08, 15:03

Ok , the second preparation of this extract has proven itself, so thought i would give a quick guide to the method..
This extraction/preservation method makes for a convenient,tasty and stealthy
way to store your psilly..
The finished product does not smell,taste or look like
a shroomage product at all , just a dark thick honey with a slight orange flavour..
The extraction efficiency is about 80% afa i can tell..
The first extraction of P. Ovoids from a couple months ago ,has held up really well in the fridge..I would suggest freezing for long term though..
Stuff u need..Of special importance, is a large heavy fry pan and rubber spatula..Also the ascorbic acid crystals [health food store]

Set up your quarter pint honeyjar ,so it is heating in a small pot with water..
This will sanitize the jar and make the honey more fluid..
Sit the jar on it's lid so the heat doesn't crack it..Set the stove on low and
cover-
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Crush your mush [40 g dry] and in a saucepan add 1 quart water and a Tbsp
of Ascorbic acid crystals..This helps with the extraction/preservation
of the magic..

Simmer the mush for 25 mins..and setup your strainer ..I use a piece cut from a poly dress shirt -lasts for many many extractions and has a tight weave for fine filtering..
Lay the material in a colander standing in the frypan..

After 25 min simmer , pour everything into the filter and allow to drain..

Pick up the filter cloth and squeeze out the remaining juice..[wearing rubber gloves helps ALOT heh...

Put the filter back in place and slowly pour 1/2 cup cold water into the mush. So now it has cooled some , you can really twist the crap out of it without burning up..

Now begin frying down your extract ,use moderate to high heat but u must stir continuously especially as it begins to thicken..Don't want to burn the goods but we gotta make good time too ..

As it thickens to the point shown above , it's time to add the heated honey.
Both the honey and the cooked extract will have the same degree of syrupyness heh..
Only about half of the jar is added so you have room for everything..discard
the extra

Cook a few minutes longer and stir constantly..Then pour into your now empty honey jar..

As you can see by the spoonfull i scooped out , it has a jelly like texture once cooled..
It's good stuff peeps..The biggest pita with this is, the constant stirring required for 30 mins ,so pull up a stool..heh
From start to finish, this should take exactly one hour..Any longer then your risking a loss
of goods.

Enjoy...

seymorebunz · 07-09-08, 15:08

Excellent job man.....great write up and illustration.

I really like the look of the finished goods here.....far better than any honey tek i've ever seen.

Lazlo · 07-09-08, 15:13

Nice lookin' stuff for sure!

Hippie3 · 07-09-08, 15:44

awesome

perfection

golly · 07-09-08, 16:10

Thankyou...

it's a real treat, so don't let your kids find it...

camMyco · 07-09-08, 16:30

Honey Freak approval!

As soon as I stop
growing trich. I'm going to give it a run.
Is the heating what degrades the actives?
or extraction efficiency?

Awsome golly!

Hippie3 · 07-09-08, 16:50

looks a bit like apple butter

dizzydank · 07-09-08, 17:32

very nice and no chunks of booms. this is sumpn for me to try i think. thanks.

golly · 07-09-08, 19:41

I really don't know the heat destruction curve for the magic but it seems to be quite resistant with an hour of boiling..
The estimated 20% loss is partly due to , extracting 40g into a single qt of water, alkaloids still trapped in the mush and proly the heating..

If you have a Butt load of shroomage, then 20% doesn't mean much really...

Someone could try going for an 80g halfpint but the cook time will be longer, unless you have two big fry pans...Who knows, mebbe 90 mins isn't that destructive...

Freaky · 07-09-08, 19:47

Damn fantastic Golly! A great summer recipe. Any info on how long it stores for?

golly · 07-09-08, 20:30

Storage at room temp , i have no idea as to safety or potency retention..

Refridgerated for 8 weeks, the first extract is still very close to it's original strength..

I suspect that freezing maybe good for years..I haven't actually tried a freeze/thaw but i will, with this new jar....

Thnx again for the good vibes guys...

Lazlo · 07-09-08, 21:05

I can't recall exactly, but I reduced either 12 or 15 grams of cubensis down to a single shot nearly. I remember it damn near turned into a paste and it tasted like a limey shroom juice. Terrible! Bitter bear face for sure.

psylence · 07-10-08, 04:45

Very nice golly! I'll be giving this a go for sure. Just a question - how do you measure up doses?

golly · 07-10-08, 07:20

To figure dosage, divide the number of ml. in the jar by the number of grams used in the extract ..In this case 125ml divided by the 40g dry ..With the efficiency at 80% , that means only 32 of the 40 grams are converted to usable dosing..

so 125ml divided by 32g = 4ml per gram..

Any hoo , it comes out to 1 and quarter teaspoons per gram pretty much...

psylence · 07-10-08, 08:59

Wow, that is an impressive potency. There is no way that I'm not going to try this now! Thanks very much for the tek mate.

livewire420 · 07-10-08, 09:18

this is going to be on my list can't wait to try it

Beastmaster · 07-10-08, 10:38

Simply marvelous, Golly, simply marvelous!

eatyualive · 07-10-08, 11:10

cool. so heating for 25 minutes doesn't have any adverse effects on potency?

Quote:

Honey Freak approval! As soon as I stop
growing trich . I'm going to give it a run.
Is the heating what degrades the actives?
or extraction efficiency?

we should have a trich growing challenge. i think i might win. lol...real good at growing that stuff especially in the fridge.

camMyco · 07-10-08, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by eatyualive

we should have a trich growing challenge. i think i might win. lol...real good at growing that stuff especially in the fridge.

Freaky · 07-10-08, 11:59

Trich has been a nasty mold this year, a trich competition would be a hot race....

Thanks for the info Golly. I might even just make some up and store for quite a while to test for myself also.

rambi · 07-10-08, 12:44

i can't wait to try this myself.
great instruction, golly. thank you.

...it does kinda look like apple butter... mmmm.

ramb

dice4717 · 07-10-08, 13:45

Thats real thick man, looks tasty. Ive been wanting to try a honey tek, and this one might just be the one. Awesome job man.

exanimo · 07-10-08, 14:21

You're the man, thank you!

steeq · 07-10-08, 16:34

Awesome write, very easy recipe. I've never done honey before. Do you think you could use fresh shrooms for this recipe?

golly · 07-10-08, 16:52

Yes , it should be easy to go directly to extract with fresh shrooms ..You could put 400g in a blender with a pint and half water , then just go long enough to chop , not liquify..
This way they'll be easier to filter and leave a cleaner product..

That would certainly save the hassle of drying first..I haven't tried with fresh but it should work ...

Lazlo · 07-10-08, 17:56

I don't recommend using fresh mushrooms for anything that is going to be stored for too long. Anything over a day or 2 and the potency is terrible. I guess if you handled it like rocket fuel, then you would be a lot better off. Dry mushrooms are really the way to go with teas, juices and stuff like this more than likely. The problem with fresh fungus is that it oxidizes to damn easy and is vulnerable to heat.

moldylogic · 07-10-08, 19:28

I agree with Lazlo on this one...
I've had it explained before by a knowledgeable chemist before (concerning mainly fresh mushroom honey)

Something bad happens is all I remember, not dangerous but not good. I didn't understand a word.

But IME cracker dry honey, at room temp, in the dark will last for years with no noticeable loss in potency.

I cant say the same for 'fresh mushroom honey' which seems to spoil.

Freaky · 07-10-08, 20:01

maybe the water content left in the freshies and the easy degrading of magic? Since water extracts the magic so easily, fresh would seem to not hold potency as well in honey as dry fungus.

golly · 07-10-08, 20:51

I agree that a freshie tea will weaken quickly. In this case, your eliminating most of the water content and ending up with an oily essence , which really is no different than when the mush is re-hydrated from it's dried state , then reduced in this honey Tek..

Any tea made from rehydrated mush will also degrade rapidly with time but by reducing and storing in honey , the degradation is clearly halted ..

Truth is, the only way to really know , is to do the experiment..

I just don't see the difference between drying / re-hydrating and using fresh..

Lazlo · 07-10-08, 20:54

I've stored leftover teas in the fridge for a few months and they'd knock you sideways just like the day they were prepared. Preparing with dry mushrooms is the key.

Psilly_Engineer · 07-10-08, 21:08

Either way...IMHO. I've done it both ways. I do find that you get rid of a lot of mushie taste when you use dry, which is a plus. My favorite extraction is dry mush + everclear for 24 hrs., then mix w/ cold O.J. and chug. Mmmm....tasty. And it takes the edge off!

golly · 07-10-08, 21:16

So Laz, are u suggesting that some kind of enzyme is eliminated by the drying process, which may be responsible for the potency loss in "freshie" tea..?

Lazlo · 07-10-08, 21:19

Your guess is a good as mine. I have a theory that once the alkaloids are cured properly, they remain in tact for quite some time.

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07-09-08, 15:03	#1 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	Honey extract Tek for Cubensis Ok , the second preparation of this extract has proven itself, so thought i would give a quick guide to the method.. This extraction/preservation method makes for a convenient,tasty and stealthy way to store your psilly.. The finished product does not smell,taste or look like a shroomage product at all , just a dark thick honey with a slight orange flavour.. The extraction efficiency is about 80% afa i can tell.. The first extraction of P. Ovoids from a couple months ago ,has held up really well in the fridge..I would suggest freezing for long term though.. Stuff u need..Of special importance, is a large heavy fry pan and rubber spatula..Also the ascorbic acid crystals [health food store] Set up your quarter pint honeyjar ,so it is heating in a small pot with water.. This will sanitize the jar and make the honey more fluid.. Sit the jar on it's lid so the heat doesn't crack it..Set the stove on low and cover- [IMG][/IMG] Crush your mush [40 g dry] and in a saucepan add 1 quart water and a Tbsp of Ascorbic acid crystals..This helps with the extraction/preservation of the magic.. Simmer the mush for 25 mins..and setup your strainer ..I use a piece cut from a poly dress shirt -lasts for many many extractions and has a tight weave for fine filtering.. Lay the material in a colander standing in the frypan.. After 25 min simmer , pour everything into the filter and allow to drain.. Pick up the filter cloth and squeeze out the remaining juice..[wearing rubber gloves helps ALOT heh... Put the filter back in place and slowly pour 1/2 cup cold water into the mush. So now it has cooled some , you can really twist the crap out of it without burning up.. Now begin frying down your extract ,use moderate to high heat but u must stir continuously especially as it begins to thicken..Don't want to burn the goods but we gotta make good time too .. As it thickens to the point shown above , it's time to add the heated honey. Both the honey and the cooked extract will have the same degree of syrupyness heh.. Only about half of the jar is added so you have room for everything..discard the extra Cook a few minutes longer and stir constantly..Then pour into your now empty honey jar.. As you can see by the spoonfull i scooped out , it has a jelly like texture once cooled.. It's good stuff peeps..The biggest pita with this is, the constant stirring required for 30 mins ,so pull up a stool..heh From start to finish, this should take exactly one hour..Any longer then your risking a loss of goods. Enjoy... Attached Thumbnails

07-09-08, 15:13	#3 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,917	Nice lookin' stuff for sure! __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-09-08, 15:44	#4 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 35,347	awesome perfection __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

07-09-08, 16:30	#6 (permalink)
camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,029	Honey Freak approval! As soon as I stop growing trich. I'm going to give it a run. Is the heating what degrades the actives? or extraction efficiency? Awsome golly! __________________ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

07-09-08, 16:10	#5 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	Thankyou... it's a real treat, so don't let your kids find it...

07-09-08, 16:50	#7 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 35,347	looks a bit like apple butter __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

07-09-08, 17:32	#8 (permalink)
dizzydank damn its humid Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,151	very nice and no chunks of booms. this is sumpn for me to try i think. thanks. __________________

07-09-08, 19:41	#9 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	I really don't know the heat destruction curve for the magic but it seems to be quite resistant with an hour of boiling.. The estimated 20% loss is partly due to , extracting 40g into a single qt of water, alkaloids still trapped in the mush and proly the heating.. If you have a Butt load of shroomage, then 20% doesn't mean much really... Someone could try going for an 80g halfpint but the cook time will be longer, unless you have two big fry pans...Who knows, mebbe 90 mins isn't that destructive...

07-09-08, 19:47	#10 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,473	Damn fantastic Golly! A great summer recipe. Any info on how long it stores for? __________________ Get On The Good Foot

07-09-08, 20:30	#11 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	Storage at room temp , i have no idea as to safety or potency retention.. Refridgerated for 8 weeks, the first extract is still very close to it's original strength.. I suspect that freezing maybe good for years..I haven't actually tried a freeze/thaw but i will, with this new jar.... Thnx again for the good vibes guys...

07-09-08, 21:05	#12 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,917	I can't recall exactly, but I reduced either 12 or 15 grams of cubensis down to a single shot nearly. I remember it damn near turned into a paste and it tasted like a limey shroom juice. Terrible! Bitter bear face for sure. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 04:45	#13 (permalink)
psylence Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 252	Very nice golly! I'll be giving this a go for sure. Just a question - how do you measure up doses?

07-10-08, 07:20	#14 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	To figure dosage, divide the number of ml. in the jar by the number of grams used in the extract ..In this case 125ml divided by the 40g dry ..With the efficiency at 80% , that means only 32 of the 40 grams are converted to usable dosing.. so 125ml divided by 32g = 4ml per gram.. Any hoo , it comes out to 1 and quarter teaspoons per gram pretty much...

07-10-08, 08:59	#15 (permalink)
psylence Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 252	Wow, that is an impressive potency. There is no way that I'm not going to try this now! Thanks very much for the tek mate.

07-10-08, 09:18	#16 (permalink)
livewire420 beer goggle pornstar Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,924	this is going to be on my list can't wait to try it __________________ lw420's guide to great fungi grow info

07-10-08, 10:38	#17 (permalink)
Beastmaster Critter Keeper Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,859	Simply marvelous, Golly, simply marvelous! __________________ Be Brave Bold Robot!

07-10-08, 11:59	#20 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,473	Trich has been a nasty mold this year, a trich competition would be a hot race.... Thanks for the info Golly. I might even just make some up and store for quite a while to test for myself also. __________________ Get On The Good Foot

07-10-08, 12:44	#21 (permalink)
rambi mycobot Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 281	i can't wait to try this myself. great instruction, golly. thank you. ...it does kinda look like apple butter... mmmm. ramb __________________ when you get out of your mind you come to your senses

07-10-08, 13:45	#22 (permalink)
dice4717 Just a Stoner Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 734	Thats real thick man, looks tasty. Ive been wanting to try a honey tek, and this one might just be the one. Awesome job man. __________________ Id like to live beneath the dirt, a tiny space to move and breath is all that i would ever need.(Phish)

07-10-08, 14:21	#23 (permalink)
exanimo Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2	You're the man, thank you! __________________ Borrowing a word from the illustrious Neo, "whoa".

07-10-08, 16:34	#24 (permalink)
steeq Star Gazer Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 427	Awesome write, very easy recipe. I've never done honey before. Do you think you could use fresh shrooms for this recipe? __________________ Life is nothing more than a series of moments strung together, but we can only live in the present one.

07-10-08, 16:52	#25 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	Yes , it should be easy to go directly to extract with fresh shrooms ..You could put 400g in a blender with a pint and half water , then just go long enough to chop , not liquify.. This way they'll be easier to filter and leave a cleaner product.. That would certainly save the hassle of drying first..I haven't tried with fresh but it should work ...

07-10-08, 17:56	#26 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,917	I don't recommend using fresh mushrooms for anything that is going to be stored for too long. Anything over a day or 2 and the potency is terrible. I guess if you handled it like rocket fuel, then you would be a lot better off. Dry mushrooms are really the way to go with teas, juices and stuff like this more than likely. The problem with fresh fungus is that it oxidizes to damn easy and is vulnerable to heat. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 19:28	#27 (permalink)
moldylogic Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 140	I agree with Lazlo on this one... I've had it explained before by a knowledgeable chemist before (concerning mainly fresh mushroom honey) Something bad happens is all I remember, not dangerous but not good. I didn't understand a word. But IME cracker dry honey, at room temp, in the dark will last for years with no noticeable loss in potency. I cant say the same for 'fresh mushroom honey' which seems to spoil.

07-10-08, 20:01	#28 (permalink)
Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,473	maybe the water content left in the freshies and the easy degrading of magic? Since water extracts the magic so easily, fresh would seem to not hold potency as well in honey as dry fungus. __________________ Get On The Good Foot

07-10-08, 20:51	#29 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	I agree that a freshie tea will weaken quickly. In this case, your eliminating most of the water content and ending up with an oily essence , which really is no different than when the mush is re-hydrated from it's dried state , then reduced in this honey Tek.. Any tea made from rehydrated mush will also degrade rapidly with time but by reducing and storing in honey , the degradation is clearly halted .. Truth is, the only way to really know , is to do the experiment.. I just don't see the difference between drying / re-hydrating and using fresh..

07-10-08, 20:54	#30 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,917	I've stored leftover teas in the fridge for a few months and they'd knock you sideways just like the day they were prepared. Preparing with dry mushrooms is the key. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

07-10-08, 21:08	#31 (permalink)
Psilly_Engineer One of the Best Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 80	Either way...IMHO. I've done it both ways. I do find that you get rid of a lot of mushie taste when you use dry, which is a plus. My favorite extraction is dry mush + everclear for 24 hrs., then mix w/ cold O.J. and chug. Mmmm....tasty. And it takes the edge off! __________________ I am... a mushroom; On whom the dew of heaven drops now and then. ~ John Ford

07-10-08, 21:16	#32 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5,379	So Laz, are u suggesting that some kind of enzyme is eliminated by the drying process, which may be responsible for the potency loss in "freshie" tea..?

07-10-08, 21:19	#33 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,917	Your guess is a good as mine. I have a theory that once the alkaloids are cured properly, they remain in tact for quite some time. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?