PF B+ Cased

FatoftheMan · 01-28-06, 22:55

While I am flooding the boards with threads about my fledgling grow operation, here are some of the PF jars that I cased with straight verm. I DE cased some of the cakes, which I harvested today, but I didn't get to document them. These are both my first attempt at casings. They seem pretty overlaid, probably because the terrarium they are in is more suited for cakes than casings. In the picture you can see condensation on the surface of the mycelium.

The smaller one is a single cake with a layer of verm on top, the larger is 3 cakes with two layers of verm, one below and one above.

fahtster · 01-28-06, 23:11

the overlay doesn't look too bad. looks good for your first shot at it.

are they just sitting in a clear bin or something? multispore or isolate?

keep up the good work.

fahtster

xxanxx · 01-28-06, 23:42

^^I agree, that looks pretty darn good for your time; don't be so hard on yourself!

Good Job!!!

01-29-06, 00:03

Nice fat pins

Thats a freat first casing attempt imo!

Did you incubate your casings after you made them? And if yes, for how long?

FatoftheMan · 01-29-06, 00:29

These casings are a multispore innoculation and are chilling in a rubbermaid with perlite on the bottom. I have no idea what the RH is in there... when I'm trying to initiate pinning I seal the lid with saran wrap and mist and fan once a day, during growth I don't seal and fan more often.

I incubated these in the dark for two days or so, when I saw some fluff coming through I moved them into the light.

I really have no idea what I'm doing, and I'm so unsure that I keep changing my strategies... seems to be working alright though.

xxanxx · 01-29-06, 00:37

So you just crumbled the cake into the aluminum tray and put verm. on top? I'm not familiar with this technique...

FatoftheMan · 01-29-06, 00:44

Well the one with the fat pins has moist verm on the bottom, 3 cakes crumbled up to about the size of peanut M&Ms (for lack of a better comparison) and then moist verm on top. I've been reading a lot, and I didn't have any coir or peat at the time to make a casing mix, so I just used straight verm. Seems to be working. Now I have some coir so my next casings will be made the old fashion way.

Not sure if the bottom layer makes a difference, but if my bulk grow experiments work out I won't need to worry about that anymore.

xxanxx · 01-29-06, 00:49

^^Sounds good. For some reason I am obsessed with hpoo, everything goes into the poo!

BuckarooBanzai · 01-29-06, 04:09

If you don't have anything for bulk substrate material, you can just "bury" the cake in moist verm. It won't take as long to recover and fruit as it does if you crumble it.

No reason to crumble unless you are trying to colonize bulk substrate.

Good looking pinset, by the way! Please keep us updated!

FatoftheMan · 01-29-06, 04:21

I crumbled because I had read somwhere that doing so makes the cake more airy and therefore better producing, despite the time lost for re-colonization. Anyway, if my WC project works out I'll be using that for the rest of my cakes, and I'll try spawning a few with spent cakes (I've heard mixed things).

As for Hpoo... I'd use it if I could, trust me, but my operation is limited by shared space, a microwave/tiny crockpot for "sterilization," and a closet in which I keep both grow materials, and all my clothes. It's ridiculous, but does the job.

Castings seems like they will work alright for me, so long as I can get em going.

When I am making my sub, should I use 5% lime by volume, or something more specific? I just got that number from the 60/40 casing tek, and my dolomite lime I learn is not what I'm looking for. I'm sure it will be fine without it, but if I can do something to make things run more smoothly, I will.

BuckarooBanzai · 01-29-06, 12:51

Spawning from spent works, but dude it works way slower. After the cultures are a few months old, they slow WAY down. At least, that's what my FOAF's experience has been.

Lime is only required if you are working with peat. Coir/verm/castings don't require lime, just peat. If you are working with peat, it's Hydrated Lime that you are looking for.

Worm castings are my FOAF's preference for bulk subs, as well. They have worked beautifully for him. Just add the water SLOWLY and stir continuously. You do not want the castings to be like mud, but rather barely moist and still fluffy. It's real easy to add to much water to castings...

FatoftheMan · 01-29-06, 18:03

Yeah, I think I did a pretty good job with my WC mix... it was a little moist, but after I got done nuking it, it was extremely light and airy. If I squeezed it really hard, maybe 3 or 4 drops would come out, which I read was fairly optimal.

Does your friend case his WC subs?

Here's a pic of the progress on these casings.

The one cake casing, while cute, I am thinking is just a waste or resources... If I'm going to leave it as one, I'll just DE case it in the future. My DE cased cakes did well, and didn't use as much verm (which I am low on atm).

Lazlo · 01-29-06, 18:37

Shit! Looks nice IMHO. Nice job man. You'll have some whoppers there it looks like..

BuckarooBanzai · 01-29-06, 19:51

My FOAF cases everything to offer the mycelium as much water as it wants to suck up, come fruiting time. Then it's back into the incubator for 24-48 hours (with tyvek ventilation). As soon as mycelium is seen peeking through the casing, into the fruiting environment it goes.

Other folks have good results without casing.

Are you planning to dunk after your flush is harvested?

FatoftheMan · 01-29-06, 20:06

I'm going to be fruiting them out of aluminum loaf pans, and will be dunking (those). My current experiment is not in a container that really lends itself to that. It is basically a mini-bulk operation for the sole purpose of stretching my cakes as far as I can take them.

Edit: What I mean is that I will be dunking these in the loaf pans, as well as my WC subs in loaf pans, but my current WC experiment is not in a loaf pan, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to dunk it.

FatoftheMan · 01-30-06, 17:52

Updated pics... harvested the tiny casing... 26g wet. It's dunking right now but I'm going to fruit it as a cake since I'm out of verm right now.

FatoftheMan · 02-01-06, 01:59

Killed the large casing today. Caps are printing on Tyvek (hopefully.. first attempt).

02-01-06, 09:07

Looks damn good. After you remove the caps from the tyvek if there is any moisture left on the print recover them without the caps and let them dry before you store them.

02-01-06, 09:58

Very nice B+

FatoftheMan · 02-01-06, 23:51

Here's the progress on these prints... I'm getting a couple solid prints from each cap, but I accidentally touched the gills down on some of them... will this compromize the prints?

Anyway... looks like I'll have 18 once I'm finished, so I'll have quite a few extras, if anyone wants one lemme know and I'll send one your way. Can't promise it'll be prompt, but it will happen.

jrogers311 · 02-06-06, 05:43

B+ drops darkly; nice job theman!

02-06-06, 10:12

Don't worry about the gills touching the print medium.

BuckarooBanzai · 02-06-06, 22:17

Very nice man! Very nice indeed! And you've got prints...the life cycle can be continued. Congratulations!

Lazlo · 02-07-06, 01:39

Turned out good huh? Nicely done man...

shimmy · 02-07-06, 01:41

i love b+ ill take a print if your still offering

DJTetsu · 02-07-06, 02:34

I know someone will correct me but

Shouldn't we use the word 'traying' or some other, since with 'casing' we all imagine as the top and bottom verm (or whatever) and to 'case', we naturally imagine to put the casing over whatever the substrate. What we really did was put into trays and then cased. I probably should shut up.

anticheffy · 02-07-06, 12:23

no , you're right , and this has been brought up from time to time, but people will use the terms in the way they allways have. We all know what is meant.

doobydoobydoo · 02-08-06, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJTetsu

I know someone will correct me but

Shouldn't we use the word 'traying' or some other, since with 'casing' we all imagine as the top and bottom verm (or whatever) and to 'case', we naturally imagine to put the casing over whatever the substrate. What we really did was put into trays and then cased. I probably should shut up.

If you've been in chat, you know ddd's feelings on this

Let's stay on topic though

Don't want to hijack a thread with "terminology" debates.

heh

Hippie3 · 02-18-06, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by fahtster

the overlay doesn't look too bad. looks good for your first shot at it.

are they just sitting in a clear bin or something? multispore or isolate?

keep up the good work.

fahtster

i see no overlay there,
looks perfectly fine

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01-28-06, 22:55	#1 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	PF B+ Cased While I am flooding the boards with threads about my fledgling grow operation, here are some of the PF jars that I cased with straight verm. I DE cased some of the cakes, which I harvested today, but I didn't get to document them. These are both my first attempt at casings. They seem pretty overlaid, probably because the terrarium they are in is more suited for cakes than casings. In the picture you can see condensation on the surface of the mycelium. The smaller one is a single cake with a layer of verm on top, the larger is 3 cakes with two layers of verm, one below and one above. Attached Thumbnails

01-29-06, 04:09	#9 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	If you don't have anything for bulk substrate material, you can just "bury" the cake in moist verm. It won't take as long to recover and fruit as it does if you crumble it. No reason to crumble unless you are trying to colonize bulk substrate. Good looking pinset, by the way! Please keep us updated! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

01-29-06, 12:51	#11 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Spawning from spent works, but dude it works way slower. After the cultures are a few months old, they slow WAY down. At least, that's what my FOAF's experience has been. Lime is only required if you are working with peat. Coir/verm/castings don't require lime, just peat. If you are working with peat, it's Hydrated Lime that you are looking for. Worm castings are my FOAF's preference for bulk subs, as well. They have worked beautifully for him. Just add the water SLOWLY and stir continuously. You do not want the castings to be like mud, but rather barely moist and still fluffy. It's real easy to add to much water to castings... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

01-29-06, 18:03	#12 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	Yeah, I think I did a pretty good job with my WC mix... it was a little moist, but after I got done nuking it, it was extremely light and airy. If I squeezed it really hard, maybe 3 or 4 drops would come out, which I read was fairly optimal. Does your friend case his WC subs? Here's a pic of the progress on these casings. The one cake casing, while cute, I am thinking is just a waste or resources... If I'm going to leave it as one, I'll just DE case it in the future. My DE cased cakes did well, and didn't use as much verm (which I am low on atm). Attached Thumbnails

01-28-06, 23:11	#2 (permalink)
fahtster VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,419	the overlay doesn't look too bad. looks good for your first shot at it. are they just sitting in a clear bin or something? multispore or isolate? keep up the good work. fahtster

01-28-06, 23:42	#3 (permalink)
xxanxx Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 176	^^I agree, that looks pretty darn good for your time; don't be so hard on yourself! Good Job!!!

01-29-06, 00:03	#4 (permalink)
~freakachino Guest Posts: n/a	Nice fat pins Thats a freat first casing attempt imo! Did you incubate your casings after you made them? And if yes, for how long?

01-29-06, 00:29	#5 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	These casings are a multispore innoculation and are chilling in a rubbermaid with perlite on the bottom. I have no idea what the RH is in there... when I'm trying to initiate pinning I seal the lid with saran wrap and mist and fan once a day, during growth I don't seal and fan more often. I incubated these in the dark for two days or so, when I saw some fluff coming through I moved them into the light. I really have no idea what I'm doing, and I'm so unsure that I keep changing my strategies... seems to be working alright though.

01-29-06, 00:37	#6 (permalink)
xxanxx Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 176	So you just crumbled the cake into the aluminum tray and put verm. on top? I'm not familiar with this technique...

01-29-06, 00:44	#7 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	Well the one with the fat pins has moist verm on the bottom, 3 cakes crumbled up to about the size of peanut M&Ms (for lack of a better comparison) and then moist verm on top. I've been reading a lot, and I didn't have any coir or peat at the time to make a casing mix, so I just used straight verm. Seems to be working. Now I have some coir so my next casings will be made the old fashion way. Not sure if the bottom layer makes a difference, but if my bulk grow experiments work out I won't need to worry about that anymore.

01-29-06, 00:49	#8 (permalink)
xxanxx Mycophage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 176	^^Sounds good. For some reason I am obsessed with hpoo, everything goes into the poo!

01-29-06, 04:21	#10 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	I crumbled because I had read somwhere that doing so makes the cake more airy and therefore better producing, despite the time lost for re-colonization. Anyway, if my WC project works out I'll be using that for the rest of my cakes, and I'll try spawning a few with spent cakes (I've heard mixed things). As for Hpoo... I'd use it if I could, trust me, but my operation is limited by shared space, a microwave/tiny crockpot for "sterilization," and a closet in which I keep both grow materials, and all my clothes. It's ridiculous, but does the job. Castings seems like they will work alright for me, so long as I can get em going. When I am making my sub, should I use 5% lime by volume, or something more specific? I just got that number from the 60/40 casing tek, and my dolomite lime I learn is not what I'm looking for. I'm sure it will be fine without it, but if I can do something to make things run more smoothly, I will.

01-29-06, 18:37	#13 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,038	Shit! Looks nice IMHO. Nice job man. You'll have some whoppers there it looks like.. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

01-29-06, 19:51	#14 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	My FOAF cases everything to offer the mycelium as much water as it wants to suck up, come fruiting time. Then it's back into the incubator for 24-48 hours (with tyvek ventilation). As soon as mycelium is seen peeking through the casing, into the fruiting environment it goes. Other folks have good results without casing. Are you planning to dunk after your flush is harvested? __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

01-29-06, 20:06	#15 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	I'm going to be fruiting them out of aluminum loaf pans, and will be dunking (those). My current experiment is not in a container that really lends itself to that. It is basically a mini-bulk operation for the sole purpose of stretching my cakes as far as I can take them. Edit: What I mean is that I will be dunking these in the loaf pans, as well as my WC subs in loaf pans, but my current WC experiment is not in a loaf pan, and I'm not sure if I'll be able to dunk it.

01-30-06, 17:52	#16 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	Updated pics... harvested the tiny casing... 26g wet. It's dunking right now but I'm going to fruit it as a cake since I'm out of verm right now. Attached Thumbnails

02-01-06, 01:59	#17 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	Killed the large casing today. Caps are printing on Tyvek (hopefully.. first attempt). Attached Thumbnails

02-01-06, 09:07	#18 (permalink)
~dial8 Guest Posts: n/a	Looks damn good. After you remove the caps from the tyvek if there is any moisture left on the print recover them without the caps and let them dry before you store them.

02-01-06, 09:58	#19 (permalink)
~freakachino Guest Posts: n/a	Very nice B+

02-01-06, 23:51	#20 (permalink)
FatoftheMan Mycophiliac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 84	Here's the progress on these prints... I'm getting a couple solid prints from each cap, but I accidentally touched the gills down on some of them... will this compromize the prints? Anyway... looks like I'll have 18 once I'm finished, so I'll have quite a few extras, if anyone wants one lemme know and I'll send one your way. Can't promise it'll be prompt, but it will happen. Attached Thumbnails

02-06-06, 05:43	#21 (permalink)
jrogers311 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 388	B+ drops darkly; nice job theman!

02-06-06, 10:12	#22 (permalink)
~dial8 Guest Posts: n/a	Don't worry about the gills touching the print medium.

02-06-06, 22:17	#23 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Very nice man! Very nice indeed! And you've got prints...the life cycle can be continued. Congratulations! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

02-07-06, 01:39	#24 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,038	Turned out good huh? Nicely done man... __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

02-07-06, 01:41	#25 (permalink)
shimmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 297	i love b+ ill take a print if your still offering

02-07-06, 02:34	#26 (permalink)
DJTetsu View Source Code Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 278	I know someone will correct me but Shouldn't we use the word 'traying' or some other, since with 'casing' we all imagine as the top and bottom verm (or whatever) and to 'case', we naturally imagine to put the casing over whatever the substrate. What we really did was put into trays and then cased. I probably should shut up. __________________ "All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. NEVER HIS MIND on WHERE HE WAS! Hmm? WHAT HE WAS DOING! Hmph! ..." -Yoda

02-07-06, 12:23	#27 (permalink)
anticheffy Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 1,038	no , you're right , and this has been brought up from time to time, but people will use the terms in the way they allways have. We all know what is meant. __________________ travel is fatal to predjudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness mark twain

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