pins came early? before 100% colonization ?

shobimono · 02-21-05, 00:35

Foaf said she has a couple straw logs (2 mini, 1 larger) going, each with a different strain. She has been exposing the logs to light since day one for only a couple minutes each day. Now she has noticed that all the logs are pinning, but they aren't fully colonized. The small logs are really close, but the larger log still has a way to go on the ends.
She is wondering if she should birth now or wait? If she waits for it to finish colonizing, won't the pins start rotting?

Lazlo · 02-21-05, 03:16

Got any pics?

sinthetic · 02-21-05, 04:25

it happens, i'd wait as long as possible before birthing.

02-21-05, 07:06

You must wait for full colonization or it will contaminate when you birth it.

~Hippie3 · 02-21-05, 07:28

try cutting slits at the pin site so they can grow thru
yet the log remains mostlty covered

shimmy · 01-21-06, 14:11

im pretty sure this jar is starting to pin what should i do with it

motograter · 01-21-06, 16:02

birth it, double end case, enjoy

rocketman · 01-21-06, 16:23

It doesnt look completely colonized, I could be seeing it wrong, but if its not, do not birth it. Just leave it alone until its done colonizing 100%. The pins that grow invitro will be fine until you birth the cake. What strain is that you have there?

01-21-06, 16:44

sometimes my jars look like that rocket
when i dont even the jar out when makin them..
but for sure...double end case that bad boy and fruit
it..

nice work btw..

hogwild · 01-21-06, 19:36

Exciting

mayakujoshrooom · 01-21-06, 20:34

Are you incubating in complete darkness? How long has the jar been running and do you know at what temp?

shimmy · 01-21-06, 20:48

the strain is B+ its been incubating at 84* and 30 % humidity and its on its about 19th day in total darkness its the only jar out of 20 that started pinning

Lazlo · 01-21-06, 21:07

It's not ready to be birthed. Just allow that one to grow invitro and to completely colonize. Looks good IMO. Just let it fill up with fruit and make sure it's 100% colonized before harvesting the fruit....

rocketman · 01-21-06, 21:50

Like I said, let it be. Not a good idea to birth a cake prematurely, no matter how many pins form. Give it a week after full colonization as you would with any other brf cake. It is not uncommon to see pins in colonizing cakes. Your doing great

python · 01-21-06, 22:27

ya just wait for that jar to finish colonizing, until all of your jars colonize to about 90 percent and give them light together..........you will get more pinning invitro from the addition of light and you could birth and de case all the jars with a great flush of shrooms......dont worry bout thata little one.

good luck

shimmy · 01-26-06, 16:59

the mushrooms are getting bigger when should i pick them and what should i do with them there still in the incubater with the other jars tequilla is naughty

shimmy · 01-27-06, 10:37

im doing them invitro so i just loosen the caps and expose to indirect sunlight right?

the jesus · 05-18-06, 16:08

Hey folks, I've got a jar of b+ that are pinning and only 90% colonized. Is this bad? Any suggestions of what to do?

hogwild · 05-18-06, 16:09

thats great, you want it to pin before birth, so as soon as its 100% just birth it, then you will have way less waiting for mushrooms, because the pins are already there. Good luck.

the jesus · 05-18-06, 16:53

Right on hogwild, you are the speedy bearer of good news squared. (this and the outdoor thing) Thanks bro.

perrch01 · 05-18-06, 17:59

I see this a lot with PR ime, pretty cool

the jesus · 05-22-06, 19:46

So the pins in these jars are getting big. About 2-3 inches long and 1/4 inch around and they are still not completely colonized. I dropped the temp down to 75 since they started pinning hoping they wouldn't abort and that seems to have stalled the myc. If I let them go invitro is it a big deal that I can't open them and get the verm layer off for room? Also could it be that the non-colonizing areas are contaminated? Any input of whether this is common or not would be greatly appreciated.

perrch01 · 05-22-06, 20:30

sometimes stalling can happen for a variety of reasons- some prefer to remove the uncolonized portion of the cake to prevent it growing contams since it obviously ain't growing mycelium...

The pins will make room for themselves if the verm layer is still there but it will be a mess when you harvest. Is it top or bottom that isn't colonized?

the jesus · 05-22-06, 20:39

It is about 1/4 of the bottom that isn't colonized and a little of the side. The myc growing in that area is real ropey not fluffy and the area is pretty dark, but I figured that was was because the cake is pulling away from the sides of the jar. Thanks a bunch for your help!

perrch01 · 05-23-06, 00:18

Did you flip the jars when they were about 75% colonized? Is the tape removed from the holes?

I have cut off uncolonized portions covering the bottom and sides- didn't get great results but better than nothing...

is invitro your overall plan or did you want to do a fruiting chamber?

how are the rest of your jars doing?

hogwild · 05-23-06, 00:31

i cut off uncolonized parts of cakes often. ive been working with different brf blends and my water content hasnt been perfect on some of them so they get too waterlogged and dont colonize all the way. Most of the time they come out fine, ive only had one contam and it went to the garden.... soon after it fruited.

the jesus · 05-23-06, 00:43

I did flip them at 75% and then the pins came. Never had tape 'cause they are pre-sterilized from mycrotopia. I was gonna do chronic tek but I am afraid to "birth" them since they aren't 100% colonized. I am afraid of cutting off uncolonized parts because now the fruits are so big they are growing around the uncolonized area. My B+ jars are doing this and the others are Cambos and are way behind. I have had constant light on them and I was honestly so excited when I saw pins that I named them. Should I try to cut off the uncolonized area and put them in the quart jars? Thank you so much for this help perrch.

the jesus · 05-23-06, 00:49

So Hog you don't get contams when you cut parts off the cake? Do you do it in a glovebox? I would love to get these in my Quarts so I would have a chance at some prints. You posted while I was 'cause I keep gettin' delayed watching the Def Lepard story on VH1.

~Hippie3 · 05-23-06, 08:12

best bet is just let them finish this flush invitro.
if you feel lucky
birth cakes into clean terrarium and watch,
often any bare spots will be quickly covered by mycellia
in a day.
if not covered by 2 days
then cut down to colonized tissue, removing any uncolonized portions.
but i'd just let it be, personally.

the jesus · 05-23-06, 17:06

Well I birthed one just for the hell of it and there really wasn't much to cut off at all. Thank you Hippie your jars are as advertised, they are growing like gangbusters! Think I'll go with your 1/2 pint glass next time though. I'll be sure to post my yeilds as it looks to be pretty good for a first grow.

~Hippie3 · 05-23-06, 17:13

Quote:

Thank you Hippie your jars are as advertised, they are growing like gangbusters!

it's my pleasure to serve you.

~Hippie3 · 05-23-06, 17:15

Quote:

Never had tape 'cause they are pre-sterilized from mycrotopia.

yeah, i never tape but i do use an extra thick verm. layer

tbonus · 08-01-06, 11:29

I noticed today that 2 of my b+ jars are showing pins.I was going to do half INVITRO and the other half in the f.c. Should I dunk the jars that are pinning even though they arent fully coll?

08-01-06, 11:35

I dont know about invitro
but my regular cakes pinned before they were colonized
i dunked them and fruited with 2 of them fine..

then i tried a dunk and roll (with casing around the cake)
with 2 and they contaminated..

Its never a safe bet to do anything unless the cake is all the way colonized, but im sure some one will come along and tell you the specifics for invitro

~Hippie3 · 08-01-06, 11:40

Quote:

. Should I Dunk the jars that are Pinning even though they arent fully coll?

hell no.
leave jars sealed until full colonization

the jesus · 08-01-06, 11:43

I had this exact thing happen to me, same strain and all. On one of them I just waited until it was fully colonized and then birthed it without a dunk. The pins were about an inch long by then so I didn't want to risk killing them. The other stalled so I just cut off the uncolonized part and birthed, again with no dunk. The first flushes are a bit weak, but it's better than nothing. After first harvest I dunked for 18 hrs. and the second flushes were fantastic. Good luck.

max · 08-01-06, 12:13

if it ain't broken...don't fix it!

tbonus · 08-01-06, 14:28

THANX

{Mr}fLoYd · 09-25-06, 10:47

hmmm well not to sound cliche but i opened up the fruiting chamber which has been in incubation mode for 9 days now while my casing colonizes and i found a couple pins poking out of the corner. details of my grow are as follows....

1 X 1/2 pint colonized popcorn of EQ from multi spore
2.25 quarts (or there abouts) of 50/50 verm/peat mixture divided up half on bottom half on top there is a little bit of lime in the mix too. spwn was boil sterelized for 90 minutes.

Tray was prepped in a normal sandwich manner. the popcorn is on one layer in the middle of the top and bottom halfs of verm/peat.

i had a problem with my heat bomb not heating to proper temp so for about 4 days it was only at about 78 degrees F. then i got a new heating unit and it incubated for another 5 or 6 days @ normal 82 degrees F. I have a peice of plastic over the tray while it incubated and lifited it once or twice a day and gave it a very mild hand mist once a day during incubation (less than 1.5 cc of water sprayed aprox.)

the tray isnt as colonized as usual, or maybee im wrong i havnt done a case grow in a long time ... what does the community think i should do? continue to incubate with plastic on or off? ( i have not misted the casing in about 2 days because i thought it was close to birthing) or should i switch the fruiting chamber over to a fruiting chamber and let it get light and take the plastic off the of the casing?

Pic 1 : 9-22-06
Pic 2&3: 9-25-06

jrogers311 · 09-25-06, 11:17

The caseing looks fairly well colonized for caseing to me. I vote for switching to fruiting mode!

BuckarooBanzai · 09-25-06, 11:30

Fruit that sucker, he's ready!

golly · 09-25-06, 11:49

Yeah - it looks perfect....fruit away mate....

dial8 · 09-25-06, 12:23

Fruit it fruit it fruit it!

{Mr}fLoYd · 09-25-06, 21:48

game on ... ill keep the grow updated now that i have a digi cam. Thanx

{Mr}fLoYd · 09-28-06, 10:42

Yeah im doing the pinning dance ... temps around 80-83F althoug hthey tend to drop overnight. because we turn up the AC at night so im gonna start putting a blanket over the chamber to insulate it at night ... anyway here are the pics

Lazlo · 09-28-06, 11:18

Damn, that's picture perfect. Just make sure to keep the air exchanged, good lighting and misting comming. It should cover with pins. Nice job.

Mortandello · 09-28-06, 12:11

air exchange+ coffe pouring should do the trick in 12 hours

EVEN if the temp is not at regular pinning temp.

tbonus · 09-28-06, 14:54

{Mr}fLoYd · 10-02-06, 10:48

Four days later ... i harvested the two bigger ones

First two pics are from 9-30
last two pics are from today 10-2

jrogers311 · 10-02-06, 12:31

congratulations Floyd

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02-21-05, 00:35	#1 (permalink)
shobimono Chat Admin Join Date: Jan 1973 Posts: 824	pins came early? before 100% colonization ? Foaf said she has a couple straw logs (2 mini, 1 larger) going, each with a different strain. She has been exposing the logs to light since day one for only a couple minutes each day. Now she has noticed that all the logs are pinning, but they aren't fully colonized. The small logs are really close, but the larger log still has a way to go on the ends. She is wondering if she should birth now or wait? If she waits for it to finish colonizing, won't the pins start rotting?

02-21-05, 03:16	#2 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	Got any pics? __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

05-18-06, 16:08	#18 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	pinning before 100% colonization Hey folks, I've got a jar of b+ that are pinning and only 90% colonized. Is this bad? Any suggestions of what to do?

05-18-06, 16:09	#19 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	thats great, you want it to pin before birth, so as soon as its 100% just birth it, then you will have way less waiting for mushrooms, because the pins are already there. Good luck. __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

02-21-05, 04:25	#3 (permalink)
sinthetic i party like a rock star Join Date: Apr 1970 Posts: 871	it happens, i'd wait as long as possible before birthing.

02-21-05, 07:06	#4 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	You must wait for full colonization or it will contaminate when you birth it.

02-21-05, 07:28	#5 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,765	try cutting slits at the pin site so they can grow thru yet the log remains mostlty covered

01-21-06, 16:02	#7 (permalink)
motograter Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 627	birth it, double end case, enjoy

01-21-06, 16:23	#8 (permalink)
rocketman GATE KEEPER Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 4,945	It doesnt look completely colonized, I could be seeing it wrong, but if its not, do not birth it. Just leave it alone until its done colonizing 100%. The pins that grow invitro will be fine until you birth the cake. What strain is that you have there?

01-21-06, 16:44	#9 (permalink)
~pcsillypj Guest Posts: n/a	sometimes my jars look like that rocket when i dont even the jar out when makin them.. but for sure...double end case that bad boy and fruit it.. nice work btw..

01-21-06, 19:36	#10 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	Exciting

01-21-06, 20:34	#11 (permalink)
mayakujoshrooom Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 14	Are you incubating in complete darkness? How long has the jar been running and do you know at what temp?

01-21-06, 20:48	#12 (permalink)
shimmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 298	the strain is B+ its been incubating at 84* and 30 % humidity and its on its about 19th day in total darkness its the only jar out of 20 that started pinning

01-21-06, 21:07	#13 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 7,692	It's not ready to be birthed. Just allow that one to grow invitro and to completely colonize. Looks good IMO. Just let it fill up with fruit and make sure it's 100% colonized before harvesting the fruit....

01-21-06, 21:50	#14 (permalink)
rocketman GATE KEEPER Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 4,945	Like I said, let it be. Not a good idea to birth a cake prematurely, no matter how many pins form. Give it a week after full colonization as you would with any other brf cake. It is not uncommon to see pins in colonizing cakes. Your doing great

01-21-06, 22:27	#15 (permalink)
python Former Member Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,652	ya just wait for that jar to finish colonizing, until all of your jars colonize to about 90 percent and give them light together..........you will get more pinning invitro from the addition of light and you could birth and de case all the jars with a great flush of shrooms......dont worry bout thata little one. good luck

01-27-06, 10:37	#17 (permalink)
shimmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 298	im doing them invitro so i just loosen the caps and expose to indirect sunlight right?

05-18-06, 16:53	#20 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	Right on hogwild, you are the speedy bearer of good news squared. (this and the outdoor thing) Thanks bro.

05-18-06, 17:59	#21 (permalink)
perrch01 Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 1,329	I see this a lot with PR ime, pretty cool

05-22-06, 19:46	#22 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	So the pins in these jars are getting big. About 2-3 inches long and 1/4 inch around and they are still not completely colonized. I dropped the temp down to 75 since they started pinning hoping they wouldn't abort and that seems to have stalled the myc. If I let them go invitro is it a big deal that I can't open them and get the verm layer off for room? Also could it be that the non-colonizing areas are contaminated? Any input of whether this is common or not would be greatly appreciated.

05-22-06, 20:30	#23 (permalink)
perrch01 Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 1,329	sometimes stalling can happen for a variety of reasons- some prefer to remove the uncolonized portion of the cake to prevent it growing contams since it obviously ain't growing mycelium... The pins will make room for themselves if the verm layer is still there but it will be a mess when you harvest. Is it top or bottom that isn't colonized?

05-22-06, 20:39	#24 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	It is about 1/4 of the bottom that isn't colonized and a little of the side. The myc growing in that area is real ropey not fluffy and the area is pretty dark, but I figured that was was because the cake is pulling away from the sides of the jar. Thanks a bunch for your help!

05-23-06, 00:18	#25 (permalink)
perrch01 Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 1,329	Did you flip the jars when they were about 75% colonized? Is the tape removed from the holes? I have cut off uncolonized portions covering the bottom and sides- didn't get great results but better than nothing... is invitro your overall plan or did you want to do a fruiting chamber? how are the rest of your jars doing?

05-23-06, 00:31	#26 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	i cut off uncolonized parts of cakes often. ive been working with different brf blends and my water content hasnt been perfect on some of them so they get too waterlogged and dont colonize all the way. Most of the time they come out fine, ive only had one contam and it went to the garden.... soon after it fruited. __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

05-23-06, 00:43	#27 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	I did flip them at 75% and then the pins came. Never had tape 'cause they are pre-sterilized from mycrotopia. I was gonna do chronic tek but I am afraid to "birth" them since they aren't 100% colonized. I am afraid of cutting off uncolonized parts because now the fruits are so big they are growing around the uncolonized area. My B+ jars are doing this and the others are Cambos and are way behind. I have had constant light on them and I was honestly so excited when I saw pins that I named them. Should I try to cut off the uncolonized area and put them in the quart jars? Thank you so much for this help perrch.

05-23-06, 00:49	#28 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	So Hog you don't get contams when you cut parts off the cake? Do you do it in a glovebox? I would love to get these in my Quarts so I would have a chance at some prints. You posted while I was 'cause I keep gettin' delayed watching the Def Lepard story on VH1.

05-23-06, 08:12	#29 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,765	best bet is just let them finish this flush invitro. if you feel lucky birth cakes into clean terrarium and watch, often any bare spots will be quickly covered by mycellia in a day. if not covered by 2 days then cut down to colonized tissue, removing any uncolonized portions. but i'd just let it be, personally.

05-23-06, 17:06	#30 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	Well I birthed one just for the hell of it and there really wasn't much to cut off at all. Thank you Hippie your jars are as advertised, they are growing like gangbusters! Think I'll go with your 1/2 pint glass next time though. I'll be sure to post my yeilds as it looks to be pretty good for a first grow.

08-01-06, 11:29	#33 (permalink)
tbonus Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,246	PINS on b+,only 60% collonized I noticed today that 2 of my b+ jars are showing pins.I was going to do half INVITRO and the other half in the f.c. Should I dunk the jars that are pinning even though they arent fully coll? __________________ TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT, BUT THREE RIGHTS MAKE A LEFT!

08-01-06, 11:35	#34 (permalink)
~DaGoon Guest Posts: n/a	I dont know about invitro but my regular cakes pinned before they were colonized i dunked them and fruited with 2 of them fine.. then i tried a dunk and roll (with casing around the cake) with 2 and they contaminated.. Its never a safe bet to do anything unless the cake is all the way colonized, but im sure some one will come along and tell you the specifics for invitro

08-01-06, 11:43	#36 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,637	I had this exact thing happen to me, same strain and all. On one of them I just waited until it was fully colonized and then birthed it without a dunk. The pins were about an inch long by then so I didn't want to risk killing them. The other stalled so I just cut off the uncolonized part and birthed, again with no dunk. The first flushes are a bit weak, but it's better than nothing. After first harvest I dunked for 18 hrs. and the second flushes were fantastic. Good luck.

08-01-06, 12:13	#37 (permalink)
max canadian Join Date: Apr 1971 Posts: 853	if it ain't broken...don't fix it!

08-01-06, 14:28	#38 (permalink)
tbonus Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,246	THANX __________________ TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT, BUT THREE RIGHTS MAKE A LEFT!

09-25-06, 11:17	#40 (permalink)
jrogers311 Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 405	The caseing looks fairly well colonized for caseing to me. I vote for switching to fruiting mode!