Do you like dissociatives?

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 20:30

Okay, who amongst you has strong feelings about dissociatives/deleriants based on having actually consumed them? Again, opinions based on having ACTUALLY consumed them.

PLEASE don’t post “people who get high on cough syrup are morons” type replies. I want VERY MUCH to keep this thread on a very specific topic.

That topic is strong feelings about dissociatives/deleriants. Say ya hate ‘em or say ya love ‘em, just base it on having actually tasted one (or more) of them. And please, no crass generalizations about how others should feel about them. Just tell me how YOU feel.

My feelings have been stated before, but I’ll put ‘em down again. I very much enjoy dissociatives. Ketamine, nitrous oxide and muscimol are all personal favorites of mine. DXM is harsh on my gut, but I enjoy it quite a bit, none the less. There was a time when PCP was very high on my “drugs of choice” list, though I’m not really the biggest of fans today (tends to make me twitchy these days).

I have played around with the paranoid insanity that CO2 can induce enough times to taste it when doing fresh air exchange with invitro bags/jars.

Neither CO2 nor NO2 is tasteless, by the way. They are simply acquired tastes.

I find the dissociative state to be very different from the classic psychedelic state in ways that I find most desirable and interesting. Nothing against psychedelics, I dig the heck out of them too. Mixing these things, especially in larger amounts, is an absolute personal favorite.

Real reptile brain fear responses can be a real blast. No drug I’ve done can touch the rush of a full scale fear based adrenal cortex dump into the blood stream (synthetic adrenaline doesn’t come close – I’ve tried). Really interesting things happen to these brains when they are utterly terrified.

Loving/chasing that terror rush, incidentally, is the biggest part of why I enjoy stuffing a big silk sheet into a backpack and then jumping out of a perfectly functional airplane…

Sub question (no poll, just for commentary): would you classify Salvia as a dissociative? Some disagree very much with that classification and call Salvia a psychedelic. I am not one of them. If the “classic” psychedelics are LSD, DMT and psilocybin and the “classic” dissociatives are DXM, muscimol and ketamine, I think Salvia is a lot more dissociative than psychedelic. Just an opinion…I would like to hear yours.

oibchip · 07-05-06, 20:36

I think that Salvia would have to be a dissassociative..at least the way it affects me.

Hippie3 · 07-05-06, 20:40

my biggest problem with them
is the danger i pose to others
while under their influence.
i think i could kill people,
and that gives me reason to deny the urge.

SquaresandCubes · 07-05-06, 20:46

My experiences with them have never been too positive but I have friends that swear by them.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

my biggest problem with them
is the danger i pose to others
while under their influence.
i think i could kill people,
and that gives me reason to deny the urge.

Hip brings up something I most assuredly should have already brought up.

Though I do very much enjoy intense dissociative states, I ALWAYS bring a sober guide when I go deep.

That sober guide, whom I trust very implicitly, ALWAYS brings a fully charged military grade stun gun.

That stun gun has kept me from doing violence to myself and/or my surroundings more than once.

eternalfrost · 07-05-06, 21:25

I am a huge sucker when it comes to a true professional tank set up of nitrious and oxygen. nothing beats it in my opinion. just pure escape and euphoria. in and out in 30 min (or really however long you want thats the beauty) and back to reality minuites after you take off the mask. a professionaly trained sitter is a MUST for this though.

DXM I love when on it, but have somewhat of a depressed personality, so the after effects and collateral physical and emotional damage is too much for me in the long run and I have stopped use long ago.

Doctor D · 07-05-06, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Okay, who amongst you has strong feelings about dissociatives/deleriants based on having actually consumed them? Again, opinions based on having ACTUALLY consumed them.

I love dissociatives. Ketamine, DXM, Nitrous are all wonderful. I have had near-religious experiences on 450mg of DXM. Nitrous and weed on DXM blast me into another plane of existence. Liquid ketamine can do the same thing.

Salvia, I tried for the first time yesterday (4th of July). As it happened, I left my July 4th party to buy a pack of cigarettes and stumbled across a head shop I never knew was there. On the sign in front of the shop "SALVIA". Well, I've tried smoking it various ways in the past 2 days and all I get is a very light buzz from it. (Ugh! What am I doing wrong??) I can see, however, how one might call it a dissociative if it were stronger.

cherkropper · 07-05-06, 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

would you classify Salvia as a dissociative? Some disagree very much with that classification and call Salvia a psychedelic.

Salvia scared the sh*t out of me a few times when I felt like I had come out of my body and was drifting away through the floor. Based on that I would think salvia meets your criteria for dissociative.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 22:04

If Salvia hasn't knocked your socks clean off, you either have bunk leaves or you aren't smoking 'em right.

First - you need a much hotter flame than you do with herb. I have best results with a butane mini-torch.

Second - the smoke is HARSH, but you need to keep sucking it deep and holding it until you forget why the bowl is in your hand. Do toke after toke after toke. This is where the sitter steps in and prevens the torch/hot bowl from burning your house down.

Salvia most assuredly works.

the jesus · 07-05-06, 22:05

I find that I enjoy Ketamine in large quick dosage, but then get the feeling of "chasing the dragon", never been to a hole though. Nitrous I can not get enough of when tripping. I think they both are fun when riding high but stopping sucks. Boy you could say that about all drugs though. I guess what I am saying is I love all drugs and hate stopping. I think they have a name for that.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 22:06

Welcome to the Pleasuredome...

cherkropper · 07-05-06, 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor D

"SALVIA". Well, I've tried smoking it various ways in the past 2 days and all I get is a very light buzz from it. (Ugh! What am I doing wrong??)

Is it plain salvia leaf or a fortified leaf. Plain leaf does nothing for me but the 5x and 10x fortified leaf is the stuff that will blow your mind. It has been concentrated with salvia extract to make it 5 or 10 times more potent. You also have to burn it real hot to get everything out of it.

eternalfrost · 07-05-06, 22:24

for plain leaf, smoking is mostly pointless. plain leaves work wonderfull for 'quids' though (a la chewing tobacco) especially fresh leaves.

10X or more really should be used if looking to 'break through' butane lighter and a small bubbler work great for me. huge hits, keeping the flame pegged on the leaves the whole time. hold long as u can then suck in another right away till your no longer in this world.

waylitjim · 07-05-06, 22:26

I like salvia alot, I find the experience very other worldly and more dissociative then psychedelic. I smoked some 10X last nite before bed. It still blows my mind that salvia remains legal. How can you not like nitrous? It's one of the best highs out there. Ketamine is fun, but I find it too fun.. and somewhat addictive. It's been awhile since I've used dextromethorphan. A few years ago, there was alot of this circulating in the rave scene. Heat stoke was the biggest risk since DXM causes the body to stop producing sweat. Not a good drug to use when you're dancing all night long.

I_am_me · 07-05-06, 22:34

Where is the kinda option?

I've enjoyed Salvia and K on a few occasions but I have no desire to even try DXM or PCP. Even some of the K experiences left me feeling drained and more down than anything. Still, wild body buzz.

Glasshopper · 07-05-06, 22:37

Never tried k, dxm or salvia but I had had plenty of fun on datura. Those flowers actually make a good tasting tea, just be carefull kiddies.

scotia · 07-05-06, 22:44

I like 'em all

mindovermycelia · 07-05-06, 22:57

Well, I have to say since salvia and no2 are dissociatives I have to vote yes. But I've never really done more than one balloon at a time to get dissociative on no2. But I love salvia. I have historically disliked any drug that makes me out of control though and I only use salvia on rare occasions. I get off on whole leaf usually and I use extracts very rarely. I've yet to try any others and fear I may like them too much. I read that ketamine through im or iv is very habit forming, like psychedelic crack, according to D.M. Turner. He said he knew people who got real strung out on it then he died while using it drowning in a tub of water all alone on new years eve after he wrote about it. He considered salvia as well as K and maybe no2 as psychedelic primarily despite their dissociative effects. I always thought K was a downer until I read this book, which is available to read for free on the internet, and I connected it with an article I had read about in high times about 15 years ago. Still, as much as it interests me I am not seeking it out because I still have a thing about needles and getting high and I'm not sure if I want to know of something out there that is so awesome and that I enjoy so much the rest of life seems pale in comparison. With salvia, the experiences are rarely enjoyable while there, for me so far. By the way, I've haven't used DMT yet, but isn't it a dissociative? I tried pcp a few times and had one very good experience and once I took too much and pretty much forgot who I was and all I could say was huh, I blacked out for about an hour but when I started coming back it was pretty cool trying to figure out who I was and where I was at and once I did the rest of the night was nice. At least I was told it was pcp anyway.

Doctor D · 07-05-06, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindovermycelia

I read that ketamine through im or iv is very habit forming, like psychedelic crack, according to D.M. Turner.

Yes, it is.

While needles and drugs are never GOOD news, needles and dissociatives are a disaster waiting to happen.

anticheffy · 07-05-06, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Hip brings up something I most assuredly should have already brought up.

Though I do very much enjoy intense dissociative states, I ALWAYS bring a sober guide when I go deep.

That sober guide, whom I trust very implicitly, ALWAYS brings a fully charged military grade stun gun.

That stun gun has kept me from doing violence to myself and/or my surroundings more than once.

and thats a fun thing ?

Doctor D · 07-05-06, 23:15

Thank you, Buckaroo, cherkropper, and eternal for your replies.

What I bought was 15x extract. Actually, it had some goofy name like PurpleStickySalvia or something equally lame.

Yesterday I tried a regular metal pipe and flame, with very little effect. I couldn't tell if I was getting high off of 5-year-old resin or salvia.

Today, I found directions on how to make a lightbulb vaporizor and used that instead. I did use a butane torch. I got the same high as before, so I know that feeling was from the salvia for sure. Thing is, I only loaded a pinchful at a time.

Should I load the entire rest of the package this time and just smoke it til it's gone or until I can't smoke anymore? As I don't smoke weed, my paraphernalia options are rather limited...

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 23:29

Not to be rude, but toss the crap you have and go visit Bouncing Bear Botanicals and get a 5x or 10x extract. When you have some proper Sally, I GUARANTEE that you won't wonder if it is working.

Anticheffy – fun is very much a flexible term when dissociatives are concerned. This is why the sober guide is present to say "though that might seem fun right now, you won't want to wake up having done that." Part of the point of dissociatives is a complete obliteration of "common sense."

Wow. These replies kind of surprise me. I expected a lot of “SALVIA IS CLEARLY A PSYCHEDELIC” and “only idiots drink cough syrup for a buzz.”

Mycotopiates are a damned diverse lot.

Doctor D · 07-05-06, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

Not to be rude, but toss the crap you have and go visit Bouncing Bear Botanicals and get a 5x or 10x extract. When you have some proper Sally, I GUARANTEE that you won't wonder if it is working.

That's what I was afraid of. $60 down the drain. Oh well, serves me right for acting like a crackhead instead of buying from a reputable source.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 23:33

There are way worse things, dude. Things like being a crackhead, for instance...

eternalfrost · 07-05-06, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai

When you have some proper Sally, I GUARANTEE that you won't wonder if it is working.

heh if anything, for me it works so well that i dont even know its working, if you get what i mean.

a proper hit of high-strength extract will break you through cleanly and almost instantly. more often then not for me, the 'salvia' world is undoubtedly the true one, and this one the 'dream' one. the switch can be so fast that i often dont even realize i have taken a substance untill the effects start to wear down.

its sort of like being snapped out of a daydream...only in reverse

dead_diver · 07-05-06, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

my biggest problem with them
is the danger i pose to others
while under their influence.
i think i could kill people,
and that gives me reason to deny the urge.

I have had experiences with PCP in which I couldn't feel my body and therefore had no idea how much strength I was using doing basic things like closing a door. I broke the inside door handle on my friends '73 Camaro once and didn't even know I did it until my friend pointed out that I was holding the broken handle in my hand. He wasn't too happy and it cost me $30 or so to replace the handle and an afternoon disassembling and reassembling the door, ooops! There was another time I bent the steering wheel in my 66 Ford Falcon and didn't know I did it until the next day when I got in my car to go to work and couldn't understand why my steering wheel was crooked LOL. I did'nt flirt with PCP much but I will say I never had a bad trip on it but I always split a dime of "T" ( dealers used to try and pass it off as synthetic "T"HC) with 4 or 5 people. I couldn't imagine smoking a whole dime of "crystal T" by myself. I think that's how people wind up stark naked in the street babbling incoherently and getting tazered and generaly getting the shit beat out of them by the cops. On the up side they probably never felt the beatings...until the PCP wears off LOL. Leaky Leak, DD Bomber, Red Devil just to name a few of the good old trademarked brands. I never saw liquid PCP and don't think I would touch it. All the "T" I ever did was very shiny tiny crystals and a thin layer about the thickness of a sewing needle rolled in the crease of a joint would easily get 4 or 5 people feeling real short

I'm glad I never got in a fight on that stuff because I would probably kill someone too, ala Hippie.

dead_diver · 07-05-06, 23:48

"Neither CO2 nor NO2 is tasteless, by the way. They are simply acquired tastes." Concentrated CO2 burns the the lungs like a motherfucker and you can almost feel it pulling the oxygen out of your bloodstream. I learned the hard way playing around with overcharging CO2 inflatable live vests so we could watch them explode. We were in a small storage locker and I got a good blast in the face and inhaled some CO2 and it burnt like hell. Open a bottle of coke some time and take a hit of the CO2 that first escapes...it's not very pleasant. BTW Helium can kill too, a couple kids died near me by playing with an advertising baloon. They were found dead inside it the next day. Good kids, one was an honor student...what a waste, I feel for the parents. That just sucks.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 23:52

CO2 and NO2 are both called "odorless and tasteless."

Not the case at all...

mycobri · 07-05-06, 23:52

i liked ketamine the one time i had it and would definately try it with shrooms.

Salvia (bbb) is definately a dissasociative to me, and loved mixing it with shrooms.

I have never had amanitas but i collected them and sun dried them (with respect), bought them from bbb and found and printed them in nature, one day i'm sure ill nibble on a little or make a tonic

datura i have handled, collected, photographed and are cultivating, and thought i felt a little strange after prolonged skin contact with adult plants. thought about adding about 3 or 4 datura seeds to boiling sanpedro.

Damn never tried nitrous either (only at the dentist), but sounds fun.

BuckarooBanzai · 07-05-06, 23:55

Datura is interesting but it is also very fucking dangerous. It is in a whole other class than DXM/ketamine. It is also VERY easy to toxically poison yourself and die using datura.

I can also tell you, from personal experience, that using it very often will totally wreck your eyes.

eternalfrost · 07-06-06, 00:06

when co2 dissolves in water, it actually makes an acid. carbonic acid if i remember back in chem class? you can do a kind of neat demo when you breathe out for a while in a cup of water with a pH indicator in it and see it change color eventually. lol that would be my guess why its painful to breath it in pure like that

that is also the reason they use n2o in whipcream cans (in case you didn't know, they do lol) co2 forms an acid and makes the milk and cream go sour.

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07-05-06, 20:30	#1 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Do you like dissociatives? Okay, who amongst you has strong feelings about dissociatives/deleriants based on having actually consumed them? Again, opinions based on having ACTUALLY consumed them. PLEASE don’t post “people who get high on cough syrup are morons” type replies. I want VERY MUCH to keep this thread on a very specific topic. That topic is strong feelings about dissociatives/deleriants. Say ya hate ‘em or say ya love ‘em, just base it on having actually tasted one (or more) of them. And please, no crass generalizations about how others should feel about them. Just tell me how YOU feel. My feelings have been stated before, but I’ll put ‘em down again. I very much enjoy dissociatives. Ketamine, nitrous oxide and muscimol are all personal favorites of mine. DXM is harsh on my gut, but I enjoy it quite a bit, none the less. There was a time when PCP was very high on my “drugs of choice” list, though I’m not really the biggest of fans today (tends to make me twitchy these days). I have played around with the paranoid insanity that CO2 can induce enough times to taste it when doing fresh air exchange with invitro bags/jars. Neither CO2 nor NO2 is tasteless, by the way. They are simply acquired tastes. I find the dissociative state to be very different from the classic psychedelic state in ways that I find most desirable and interesting. Nothing against psychedelics, I dig the heck out of them too. Mixing these things, especially in larger amounts, is an absolute personal favorite. Real reptile brain fear responses can be a real blast. No drug I’ve done can touch the rush of a full scale fear based adrenal cortex dump into the blood stream (synthetic adrenaline doesn’t come close – I’ve tried). Really interesting things happen to these brains when they are utterly terrified. Loving/chasing that terror rush, incidentally, is the biggest part of why I enjoy stuffing a big silk sheet into a backpack and then jumping out of a perfectly functional airplane… Sub question (no poll, just for commentary): would you classify Salvia as a dissociative? Some disagree very much with that classification and call Salvia a psychedelic. I am not one of them. If the “classic” psychedelics are LSD, DMT and psilocybin and the “classic” dissociatives are DXM, muscimol and ketamine, I think Salvia is a lot more dissociative than psychedelic. Just an opinion…I would like to hear yours. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 20:36	#2 (permalink)
oibchip Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 5,016	I think that Salvia would have to be a dissassociative..at least the way it affects me. __________________ Please standby while I find a decent quote for my sig

07-05-06, 20:40	#3 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 36,135	my biggest problem with them is the danger i pose to others while under their influence. i think i could kill people, and that gives me reason to deny the urge. __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

07-05-06, 20:46	#4 (permalink)
SquaresandCubes Mycotopiate Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 330	My experiences with them have never been too positive but I have friends that swear by them.

07-05-06, 21:25	#6 (permalink)
eternalfrost Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 812	I am a huge sucker when it comes to a true professional tank set up of nitrious and oxygen. nothing beats it in my opinion. just pure escape and euphoria. in and out in 30 min (or really however long you want thats the beauty) and back to reality minuites after you take off the mask. a professionaly trained sitter is a MUST for this though. DXM I love when on it, but have somewhat of a depressed personality, so the after effects and collateral physical and emotional damage is too much for me in the long run and I have stopped use long ago.

07-05-06, 22:04	#9 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	If Salvia hasn't knocked your socks clean off, you either have bunk leaves or you aren't smoking 'em right. First - you need a much hotter flame than you do with herb. I have best results with a butane mini-torch. Second - the smoke is HARSH, but you need to keep sucking it deep and holding it until you forget why the bowl is in your hand. Do toke after toke after toke. This is where the sitter steps in and prevens the torch/hot bowl from burning your house down. Salvia most assuredly works. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 22:05	#10 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	I find that I enjoy Ketamine in large quick dosage, but then get the feeling of "chasing the dragon", never been to a hole though. Nitrous I can not get enough of when tripping. I think they both are fun when riding high but stopping sucks. Boy you could say that about all drugs though. I guess what I am saying is I love all drugs and hate stopping. I think they have a name for that. __________________ No left turn unstoned newbie? - click here

07-05-06, 22:06	#11 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Welcome to the Pleasuredome... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 22:24	#13 (permalink)
eternalfrost Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 812	for plain leaf, smoking is mostly pointless. plain leaves work wonderfull for 'quids' though (a la chewing tobacco) especially fresh leaves. 10X or more really should be used if looking to 'break through' butane lighter and a small bubbler work great for me. huge hits, keeping the flame pegged on the leaves the whole time. hold long as u can then suck in another right away till your no longer in this world.

07-05-06, 22:26	#14 (permalink)
waylitjim Grateful Mod Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 3,928	I like salvia alot, I find the experience very other worldly and more dissociative then psychedelic. I smoked some 10X last nite before bed. It still blows my mind that salvia remains legal. How can you not like nitrous? It's one of the best highs out there. Ketamine is fun, but I find it too fun.. and somewhat addictive. It's been awhile since I've used dextromethorphan. A few years ago, there was alot of this circulating in the rave scene. Heat stoke was the biggest risk since DXM causes the body to stop producing sweat. Not a good drug to use when you're dancing all night long. __________________ <((( Waylit's Pan cyan Tek ~~~ Waylit's Wood Lover Tek )))>

07-05-06, 22:34	#15 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,365	Where is the kinda option? I've enjoyed Salvia and K on a few occasions but I have no desire to even try DXM or PCP. Even some of the K experiences left me feeling drained and more down than anything. Still, wild body buzz. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

07-05-06, 22:44	#17 (permalink)
scotia Mycophage Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 185	I like 'em all __________________ "Excess is the road to infinite wisdom" "There is the known and the unknown and, somewhere in between, there are the doors" Aldous Huxley

07-05-06, 22:57	#18 (permalink)
mindovermycelia Mycotopiate Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 493	Well, I have to say since salvia and no2 are dissociatives I have to vote yes. But I've never really done more than one balloon at a time to get dissociative on no2. But I love salvia. I have historically disliked any drug that makes me out of control though and I only use salvia on rare occasions. I get off on whole leaf usually and I use extracts very rarely. I've yet to try any others and fear I may like them too much. I read that ketamine through im or iv is very habit forming, like psychedelic crack, according to D.M. Turner. He said he knew people who got real strung out on it then he died while using it drowning in a tub of water all alone on new years eve after he wrote about it. He considered salvia as well as K and maybe no2 as psychedelic primarily despite their dissociative effects. I always thought K was a downer until I read this book, which is available to read for free on the internet, and I connected it with an article I had read about in high times about 15 years ago. Still, as much as it interests me I am not seeking it out because I still have a thing about needles and getting high and I'm not sure if I want to know of something out there that is so awesome and that I enjoy so much the rest of life seems pale in comparison. With salvia, the experiences are rarely enjoyable while there, for me so far. By the way, I've haven't used DMT yet, but isn't it a dissociative? I tried pcp a few times and had one very good experience and once I took too much and pretty much forgot who I was and all I could say was huh, I blacked out for about an hour but when I started coming back it was pretty cool trying to figure out who I was and where I was at and once I did the rest of the night was nice. At least I was told it was pcp anyway. __________________ do unto others as you would have them do unto you

07-05-06, 23:15	#21 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,385	Salvia Thank you, Buckaroo, cherkropper, and eternal for your replies. What I bought was 15x extract. Actually, it had some goofy name like PurpleStickySalvia or something equally lame. Yesterday I tried a regular metal pipe and flame, with very little effect. I couldn't tell if I was getting high off of 5-year-old resin or salvia. Today, I found directions on how to make a lightbulb vaporizor and used that instead. I did use a butane torch. I got the same high as before, so I know that feeling was from the salvia for sure. Thing is, I only loaded a pinchful at a time. Should I load the entire rest of the package this time and just smoke it til it's gone or until I can't smoke anymore? As I don't smoke weed, my paraphernalia options are rather limited...

07-05-06, 23:29	#22 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Not to be rude, but toss the crap you have and go visit Bouncing Bear Botanicals and get a 5x or 10x extract. When you have some proper Sally, I GUARANTEE that you won't wonder if it is working. Anticheffy – fun is very much a flexible term when dissociatives are concerned. This is why the sober guide is present to say "though that might seem fun right now, you won't want to wake up having done that." Part of the point of dissociatives is a complete obliteration of "common sense." Wow. These replies kind of surprise me. I expected a lot of “SALVIA IS CLEARLY A PSYCHEDELIC” and “only idiots drink cough syrup for a buzz.” Mycotopiates are a damned diverse lot. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 23:33	#24 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	There are way worse things, dude. Things like being a crackhead, for instance... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 23:48	#27 (permalink)
dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 775	"Neither CO2 nor NO2 is tasteless, by the way. They are simply acquired tastes." Concentrated CO2 burns the the lungs like a motherfucker and you can almost feel it pulling the oxygen out of your bloodstream. I learned the hard way playing around with overcharging CO2 inflatable live vests so we could watch them explode. We were in a small storage locker and I got a good blast in the face and inhaled some CO2 and it burnt like hell. Open a bottle of coke some time and take a hit of the CO2 that first escapes...it's not very pleasant. BTW Helium can kill too, a couple kids died near me by playing with an advertising baloon. They were found dead inside it the next day. Good kids, one was an honor student...what a waste, I feel for the parents. That just sucks. __________________ It would be thought a hard government, that should tax its people one-tenth part of their time, to be employed in its service. - Benjamin Franklin

07-05-06, 23:52	#28 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	CO2 and NO2 are both called "odorless and tasteless." Not the case at all... __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-05-06, 23:52	#29 (permalink)
mycobri Stained Blue Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,435	i liked ketamine the one time i had it and would definately try it with shrooms. Salvia (bbb) is definately a dissasociative to me, and loved mixing it with shrooms. I have never had amanitas but i collected them and sun dried them (with respect), bought them from bbb and found and printed them in nature, one day i'm sure ill nibble on a little or make a tonic datura i have handled, collected, photographed and are cultivating, and thought i felt a little strange after prolonged skin contact with adult plants. thought about adding about 3 or 4 datura seeds to boiling sanpedro. Damn never tried nitrous either (only at the dentist), but sounds fun.

07-05-06, 23:55	#30 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,243	Datura is interesting but it is also very fucking dangerous. It is in a whole other class than DXM/ketamine. It is also VERY easy to toxically poison yourself and die using datura. I can also tell you, from personal experience, that using it very often will totally wreck your eyes. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

07-06-06, 00:06	#31 (permalink)
eternalfrost Mycotopiate Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 812	when co2 dissolves in water, it actually makes an acid. carbonic acid if i remember back in chem class? you can do a kind of neat demo when you breathe out for a while in a cup of water with a pH indicator in it and see it change color eventually. lol that would be my guess why its painful to breath it in pure like that that is also the reason they use n2o in whipcream cans (in case you didn't know, they do lol) co2 forms an acid and makes the milk and cream go sour.