Ongoing Trip Report P.Torch and Yopo seeds (what alkloids)

craigwhite21 · 03-23-07, 07:12

Well Swim is aquirering 80grams of P.Torch, and 20 Yopo seeds for Saturday all going to plan.

Swim has tried P.Torch dosage of 20 grams, then 40grams from a good supplier.

He intends to try 50 grams and give 30 grams to his friend for a starting dose. Swim had good results last time with 20 grams and especially 40 grams but is wanting to try it for a full effect so he might even start his mate with 25grams and take 55grams himself depending.

Swim intends to smoke a few Yopo seeds during the trip to heighten the effect and see what the two mixed are like, Swim reckons taking the Dmt seeds during the trip would be akin to an out of body experiance or at least give the trip something extra or different. Swim wouldn't dare take actual Ayahuasca with the cactus that would be too potent and dangerous.
Last time he tried cacti it was akin to an out of body experiance, seeing everything as energy, swirling round, sound turning into colour etc.
Except he didn't actually leave his body but it was as if the world was an extension of himself is the best way too put it.

Swim has read that you can turn yopo seeds into powder and snort with plant alkloids, what kind of plant alkloids would do? Swim read you use Ash from alkloid containing plants, is their any normal plants that would do? In fact P.Torch contains Alkloids but would probally taste horrible. However maybe not if you burnt a small amount?? Swim doesn't think that would work at all.

Swim has read lime works but has no-where easy at hand to aquire it as he stays in a small village/seaside town (Great for some good sites while tripping last month Swim and some mates camped near a castle as their is no security at night and went into the castle tripping which Swim reported to be a crazy experiance)

Swim needs to know would be a decent dosage too snort, and also what would be easy to get a hold off to snort with it.
Swim said if it comes to it he will just smoke it, however he said it tastes like shit, and thinks the effects would be more pronounced.
Swim reckons that it would heighten the experiance of P.Torch.
Can anybody help him with some answers,
Swim will have a sitter with him and his friend that is new to P.Torch trying it for the first time so that will be an experiance for him,
And will post the Trip report here hopefully by the end of the weekend.

craigwhite21 · 03-23-07, 11:39

Swim has been researching and has read if you dont have lime baking soda is the best a 1/2 mix so thats twice the yopo seeds add b soda too that amount is that correct swim thinks its sound sore for the nose but yopo seeds don't take up much space so it might not be as much as much as it sounds. Swim thinks the best way too get a decent effect is too snort them would this be okay? Taking it with baking powder?
Also when do you add the water, after you have took them out there shells to moisten them, then slight water crush them then dry them out I would off thought. Can someone explain the process cheers, and what does the baking soda actually do?? When too add the water is important as well thats what swim most needs too know!

Invalid Comfort · 03-23-07, 16:24

On DMT alone, a FOAF had an out of body experince. The mixture was a snuff, and used lime (i don't know where he got it, coulda' even been hydrated lime that you get at homedepot).

If swim is going to trip on some torches and experiment with DMT, my foaf would probally recommend smoking it. It has a severe time-dilation, that would only last 5-15mins in the real world.

Your swim is going to mix his brains in a blender w/ DMT & P. Torch.

Wow, this all I gotta say.

craigwhite21 · 03-27-07, 04:37

Well Swims plans didn't go accordingly, Swim and some friends where out drinking at the weekend and Swim and his friends had ran out of money. Swims friends where about too leave when one of them spotted a store cupboard in the nightclub they where at.
Being quite young and pretty pissed, Swim and his friends decided to grab a bottle of booze each thinking it wouldn't be much of a big deal,
Swim and friends started leaving the building and the bouncers approached them, cue Swims very drunk friend making a bolt for it, cue Swims friend on a heap on the floor with two burly bouncers pinning him down. Cue the police a weekend in the cells and a £200 pound fine for Swim Duhh!! and his friend on Monday. Swim says he wont be do anything quite stupid for a long time!!
However Swim didn't get his package until Monday anyway, So today Swim is going to try making snuff out of the Yopo Seeds as he has a day off work. Possibly he might save a couple of seeds to try with the San Pedro at the weekend, but isn't so keen on trying this as much now as he has had a think about it. Though he would still like to try it, just not go overboard.
Swim has read if you can't get lime, Baking Soda does the same job, Swim hasn't got easy access to lime.

Swim thinks this will work and has read you mix it at a 1/3 ratio, Swim has already bought the baking soda and is just about to do some more research to make sure he has all the facts correct.
This sounds sore on the nose and Swim doesn't like the sound of it because baking soda expands, however Swim has done his research and knows it is tried and tested.
Swim has heard a few people moan about Yopo Seeds, but thinks if prepared into snuff from what he has read it can give a full 30min Dmt trip. Afterall it would be going direct into the Brain Bloodstream.
Swim has read about people getting a full on trip with lime and just hopes the baking soda will do the same job. Still sounds sore though but Swim supposes if you go easy with the baking soda it should be okay.
Swim is going to open the shells by heating wet the seeds, try turning them into a paste then drying them out again.
Swim will post his experiance when he can, and will post the results of his and his mates San Pedro experiance.

craigwhite21 · 03-27-07, 07:46

Well Swim has made his Yopo Seeds Snuff now, Swim unpeeled the seeds after roasting them (about 20 seeds), then put them in his grinder, his grinder didn't work very well as it is for bigger stuff like San Pedro etc, so Swim ended up crushing with a spoon. Unfortuently the Granules even though they seem granuleated are fluffed up together, Swim is not sure if a proper grinder would of made much difference.
Swim mixed in roughly 1/4 bi-carbonated soda in a small bag, and shook then waited 5 minutes and shook again, it is now ready for consumtion. Now all swim has too do is wait until evening to try and see the results.

Invalid Comfort · 03-28-07, 14:05

Happy trails! Lemme know how the snuff works out /w the baking soda.

craigwhite21 · 03-29-07, 11:58

Well Swim says the snuff worked but it wasn't very strong at all, Swim would like to try it traditionally with lime. Swim just got light visuals, the baking soda was horrible on the nose. Swim doesn't think he would try it again without lime. He did alot of research and he knows traditinaly they used lime and it worked for them and other people also syrian seeds would help alot he read about people getting a 30m high with strong visuals, so maybe he will get some more seeds and try it with lime instead. Would lime hurt the nose. As for the Peyote, he tried from the same source he always gets from and it has worked 4 times from this source. Swo, even tried more than Swim normally use and gave my friend some. We only had light visuals, so that is a complete bummer. I order from the same source all the time so ive emailed them and hopefully I will get a refund of goods. As for the Snuff I know it does work, but Swim think the seeds vary alot. Their is a kind with DMT rather than the other chemical bufatine. So Swim might try it again. Bummer, all that build up for nothing.
Swim however has found another source for Pervian Torch 20 pounds for 60 grams when previously he would of paid 30 pounds for the same also it looks alot fresher as the site isn't a general highs shop like Swims source. Swim would like to try dryed out Peyote but you don't really get that online.
Ah Well Swim might get a refund as he knows the source quite well and even gets credit and won a price online for his reviews on the forum. So he will have to wait and see.

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03-23-07, 07:12	#1 (permalink)
craigwhite21 Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 120	Ongoing Trip Report P.Torch and Yopo seeds (what alkloids) Well Swim is aquirering 80grams of P.Torch, and 20 Yopo seeds for Saturday all going to plan. Swim has tried P.Torch dosage of 20 grams, then 40grams from a good supplier. He intends to try 50 grams and give 30 grams to his friend for a starting dose. Swim had good results last time with 20 grams and especially 40 grams but is wanting to try it for a full effect so he might even start his mate with 25grams and take 55grams himself depending. Swim intends to smoke a few Yopo seeds during the trip to heighten the effect and see what the two mixed are like, Swim reckons taking the Dmt seeds during the trip would be akin to an out of body experiance or at least give the trip something extra or different. Swim wouldn't dare take actual Ayahuasca with the cactus that would be too potent and dangerous. Last time he tried cacti it was akin to an out of body experiance, seeing everything as energy, swirling round, sound turning into colour etc. Except he didn't actually leave his body but it was as if the world was an extension of himself is the best way too put it. Swim has read that you can turn yopo seeds into powder and snort with plant alkloids, what kind of plant alkloids would do? Swim read you use Ash from alkloid containing plants, is their any normal plants that would do? In fact P.Torch contains Alkloids but would probally taste horrible. However maybe not if you burnt a small amount?? Swim doesn't think that would work at all. Swim has read lime works but has no-where easy at hand to aquire it as he stays in a small village/seaside town (Great for some good sites while tripping last month Swim and some mates camped near a castle as their is no security at night and went into the castle tripping which Swim reported to be a crazy experiance) Swim needs to know would be a decent dosage too snort, and also what would be easy to get a hold off to snort with it. Swim said if it comes to it he will just smoke it, however he said it tastes like shit, and thinks the effects would be more pronounced. Swim reckons that it would heighten the experiance of P.Torch. Can anybody help him with some answers, Swim will have a sitter with him and his friend that is new to P.Torch trying it for the first time so that will be an experiance for him, And will post the Trip report here hopefully by the end of the weekend.

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03-23-07, 11:39	#2 (permalink)
craigwhite21 Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 120	Swim has been researching and has read if you dont have lime baking soda is the best a 1/2 mix so thats twice the yopo seeds add b soda too that amount is that correct swim thinks its sound sore for the nose but yopo seeds don't take up much space so it might not be as much as much as it sounds. Swim thinks the best way too get a decent effect is too snort them would this be okay? Taking it with baking powder? Also when do you add the water, after you have took them out there shells to moisten them, then slight water crush them then dry them out I would off thought. Can someone explain the process cheers, and what does the baking soda actually do?? When too add the water is important as well thats what swim most needs too know!

03-23-07, 16:24	#3 (permalink)
Invalid Comfort Brother Pinja Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 92	On DMT alone, a FOAF had an out of body experince. The mixture was a snuff, and used lime (i don't know where he got it, coulda' even been hydrated lime that you get at homedepot). If swim is going to trip on some torches and experiment with DMT, my foaf would probally recommend smoking it. It has a severe time-dilation, that would only last 5-15mins in the real world. Your swim is going to mix his brains in a blender w/ DMT & P. Torch. Wow, this all I gotta say.

03-27-07, 04:37	#4 (permalink)
craigwhite21 Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 120	Well Swims plans didn't go accordingly, Swim and some friends where out drinking at the weekend and Swim and his friends had ran out of money. Swims friends where about too leave when one of them spotted a store cupboard in the nightclub they where at. Being quite young and pretty pissed, Swim and his friends decided to grab a bottle of booze each thinking it wouldn't be much of a big deal, Swim and friends started leaving the building and the bouncers approached them, cue Swims very drunk friend making a bolt for it, cue Swims friend on a heap on the floor with two burly bouncers pinning him down. Cue the police a weekend in the cells and a £200 pound fine for Swim Duhh!! and his friend on Monday. Swim says he wont be do anything quite stupid for a long time!! However Swim didn't get his package until Monday anyway, So today Swim is going to try making snuff out of the Yopo Seeds as he has a day off work. Possibly he might save a couple of seeds to try with the San Pedro at the weekend, but isn't so keen on trying this as much now as he has had a think about it. Though he would still like to try it, just not go overboard. Swim has read if you can't get lime, Baking Soda does the same job, Swim hasn't got easy access to lime. Swim thinks this will work and has read you mix it at a 1/3 ratio, Swim has already bought the baking soda and is just about to do some more research to make sure he has all the facts correct. This sounds sore on the nose and Swim doesn't like the sound of it because baking soda expands, however Swim has done his research and knows it is tried and tested. Swim has heard a few people moan about Yopo Seeds, but thinks if prepared into snuff from what he has read it can give a full 30min Dmt trip. Afterall it would be going direct into the Brain Bloodstream. Swim has read about people getting a full on trip with lime and just hopes the baking soda will do the same job. Still sounds sore though but Swim supposes if you go easy with the baking soda it should be okay. Swim is going to open the shells by heating wet the seeds, try turning them into a paste then drying them out again. Swim will post his experiance when he can, and will post the results of his and his mates San Pedro experiance.

03-27-07, 07:46	#5 (permalink)
craigwhite21 Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 120	Well Swim has made his Yopo Seeds Snuff now, Swim unpeeled the seeds after roasting them (about 20 seeds), then put them in his grinder, his grinder didn't work very well as it is for bigger stuff like San Pedro etc, so Swim ended up crushing with a spoon. Unfortuently the Granules even though they seem granuleated are fluffed up together, Swim is not sure if a proper grinder would of made much difference. Swim mixed in roughly 1/4 bi-carbonated soda in a small bag, and shook then waited 5 minutes and shook again, it is now ready for consumtion. Now all swim has too do is wait until evening to try and see the results.

03-28-07, 14:05	#6 (permalink)
Invalid Comfort Brother Pinja Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 92	Happy trails! Lemme know how the snuff works out /w the baking soda.

03-29-07, 11:58	#7 (permalink)
craigwhite21 Mycophage Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 120	Well Swim says the snuff worked but it wasn't very strong at all, Swim would like to try it traditionally with lime. Swim just got light visuals, the baking soda was horrible on the nose. Swim doesn't think he would try it again without lime. He did alot of research and he knows traditinaly they used lime and it worked for them and other people also syrian seeds would help alot he read about people getting a 30m high with strong visuals, so maybe he will get some more seeds and try it with lime instead. Would lime hurt the nose. As for the Peyote, he tried from the same source he always gets from and it has worked 4 times from this source. Swo, even tried more than Swim normally use and gave my friend some. We only had light visuals, so that is a complete bummer. I order from the same source all the time so ive emailed them and hopefully I will get a refund of goods. As for the Snuff I know it does work, but Swim think the seeds vary alot. Their is a kind with DMT rather than the other chemical bufatine. So Swim might try it again. Bummer, all that build up for nothing. Swim however has found another source for Pervian Torch 20 pounds for 60 grams when previously he would of paid 30 pounds for the same also it looks alot fresher as the site isn't a general highs shop like Swims source. Swim would like to try dryed out Peyote but you don't really get that online. Ah Well Swim might get a refund as he knows the source quite well and even gets credit and won a price online for his reviews on the forum. So he will have to wait and see.