Swine Flu vaccine: yea or nay?

greenie · 10-26-09, 02:36

Well? are you gonna get it? why or why not? conspiracy theories welcome, but only if its your belief.

Fresh Brewed · 10-26-09, 07:06

Already got mine...SCIENCE!

sticky.mycelium · 10-26-09, 08:50

I am pretty sure anytime ive gotten the flu vaccine i shortly thereafter contracted the flu... so im gunna see what happens, plus a friend of mine said she had it and it wasnt much different from the flu i remember getting..
maybe if i was really old or a child.. ill just have to pray my immune system is up to the job.

mystic · 10-26-09, 08:52

Im getting the vaccine id hate to be infected with anything makes me feel as shitty as swine flu ive heard makes you feel.

Getting it for my son also. Little kids pass germs around like mad. Not to mention 3 weeks out of school. Ill go with science on this one.

dfar · 10-26-09, 10:26

still trying to piece together evidence for or against getting the vaccine.... but so far it doesn't look like i'll be standing in line to get it

http://forums.mycotopia.net/general-...-seasonal.html (Flu vaccine (H1N1, seasonal))

greenie · 10-26-09, 14:33

i had it earlier this year... not much worse than a bad head cold. Im not gonna fill up my body with new crap for no reason

potatocore · 10-26-09, 14:44

well get it after our son's born but not while dannyboy is prego. she and i both gotta real suspicion zombies are gonna mke their move in the near future...

stickyscissors · 10-26-09, 15:39

I saw this news report where the side effects of the H1N1 vaccine are starting to show up in people.

They rushed this vaccine out and didn't have time to do testing, etc.

I've seen a couple cases of people having severe and permanent neurological damage.

So much so that their motor system is totally fucked. They walk forward like they have extreme cerebral palsy, lurching and almost like their having mild seizures. They can walk backwards just fine, and even run just fine but as soon as they slow down to a walk it's back to the shivers and shakes. Talking is also very hard for these people.

I realize that the chances of this happening to me is astronomical but i just don't want to risk it. My immune system is strong enough, the natural way.

firerat · 10-26-09, 15:44

My tinfoil will not allow me to get that government mind control poison.

:: pulls hat down tight ::

Jawn · 10-26-09, 16:02

Got one flu shot, got the flu. Apart from that, I've never been sick (other than common colds) since I was born.

I'll take my chances.

mycowarrier · 10-26-09, 16:12

I voted nope but for other reasons. I will do all the Noccing up myself thankyou . I also would'nt care for the incubation period of feeling alittle "contaminated"

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-26-09, 16:23

I eat about as healthy as it gets (Vegan). I take long walks in the country. I meditate. My immune system should be lookin' pretty buff....

All these illnesses were birthed out of peoples dysfunctional way of life...
Artificial food coloring, GMO's, preservatives, artificial hormone's, antibiotics for the livestock, Peeps eatin' bullshit 24/7, spastic cartoons and synthetic speed for young kids, and the list just keeps rolling on.....
They sell you the poison, and then sell you a false antidote. Were like the girl in a porn flick gettin fucked from every angle, and in every orifice.

I say...Fuck the nasty B.S. vaccine grown in an egg (yep...their created in eggs) and boost your immune system the right way.

Get excited about eating healthy...once you start, everything else starts tasting synthetic. You realize a whole new level of health. Get out and take a walk....its good for your body and your head.

cutty · 10-26-09, 16:41

hell no for vaccine. did anyone see that youtube vid with the 25 year old cheerleader that had the swine flu vaccine and got some
neurological probs? look it up and take a look see. its insane what happened to her.

Jawn · 10-26-09, 16:42

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Originally Posted by Teonanacatl*38

All these illnesses were birthed out of peoples dysfunctional way of life...
Artificial food coloring, GMO's, preservatives, artificial hormone's, antibiotics for the livestock, Peeps eatin' bullshit 24/7, spastic cartoons and synthetic speed for young kids, and the list just keeps rolling on.....
They sell you the poison, and then sell you a false antidote. Were like the girl in a porn flick gettin fucked from every angle, and in every orifice.

That's just ridiculous. The flu developed in birds, not humans, and has been around longer than humans have.

Besides, things much worse that the flu killed many many more people, way back when chemical manipulation of the world was unheard of. Black Death in the 1300's? Fun stuff.

I can very much appreciate your way of life, but please don't assume that people's current illnesses are caused by their "dysfunctional way of life".

kcmoxtractor · 10-26-09, 17:02

Already had it, don't see the point in getting the vaccine.

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-26-09, 17:02

Point taken

I guess what I was getting at was that there just seems to be a lot more illnesses going around than there used to be. I should have just kept to the topic (flue), but I got off into a rant about all the other stuff out there.
Dont get me wrong...Im not saying that conventional medicine as a whole is some kind of evil...I just think that taking responsibility by being healthier in diet and exercise would knock out a lot of the commonly experienced sicknesses out there...or at the very least significantly decrease the possibility that your immune system will be vulnerable to that stuff.

stonedcoder · 10-26-09, 17:04

none for me thanks...

but i did hear on the radio this morning that there are two variants of this virus ...the nasty one leaves you short of breath (difference between the two) and IF you get really sick (sick enough to threaten life) it's the second variety that leaves you short of breath that is the bad ass ...the other version is a lot like the regular flu.
...of course this was morning radio talk show - not "real" news...

anyway - i have a question for all the egg heads that know their viral biology...

how come every so often the medical establishment panics with a SARS or Swine Flu ...when the regular run of the mill seasonal flu kills 10,000's of people every year - then we panic about a couple hundred people dying from a "new" virus... - this is the biggest thing i don't understand about these types of viruses. ...why are we not panicking about the regular seasonal flu ???

...edit - i just went and checked on the numbers - i didn't want to be way off saying 10,000's but sorry - i was way off it's estimated that the regular seasonal flu kills about 250,000-500,000 people every year - and how come we aren't in a panic about seasonal flu ... baffled

riseabovethought · 10-26-09, 17:09

Baxter, the company that suspiciously came up with the swine flu vaccine super fast, like faster than normally physically possible due to time necessary to adequately do due diligence developing quality vaccine materials (almost as if they knew it was coming so started the process ahead of time) has been accused of manufacturing epidemics in the past as well and then suspiciously having the vaccine ready to sell. Its big dinero, huge, enough to warrant taking rash risks like actually manufacturing the disease and then having the vaccine ready for generating huge profits quick. Big pharm business has become a monster in this case, eating its young consumers for breakfast, taking humanity for a proverbial ride to hell. I hope Im wrong, but if Im right, and a lot of smarter people suspecting the same thing are right, we are Fing up shit creek without a paddle folks. Better have a life-preserver handy cuz these people have no mercy.

stonedcoder · 10-26-09, 17:11

2009 - FLU Pandemic.

stonedcoder · 10-26-09, 17:16

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Originally Posted by riseabovethought

Baxter, the company that suspiciously came up with the swine flu vaccine super fast, like faster than normally physically possible due to time necessary to adequately do due diligence developing quality vaccine materials (almost as if they knew it was coming so started the process ahead of time) has been accused of manufacturing epidemics in the past as well and then suspiciously having the vaccine ready to sell. Its big dinero, huge, enough to warrant taking rash risks like actually manufacturing the disease and then having the vaccine ready for generating huge profits quick. Big pharm business has become a monster in this case, eating its young consumers for breakfast, taking humanity for a proverbial ride to hell. I hope Im wrong, but if Im right, and a lot of smarter people suspecting the same thing are right, we are Fing up shit creek without a paddle folks. Better have a life-preserver handy cuz these people have no mercy.

ya ...it always makes me wonder and scratch my head at what someone would do for a couple hundred million dollars...

Jawn · 10-26-09, 17:21

Quote:

how come every so often the medical establishment panics with a SARS or Swine Flu ...when the regular run of the mill seasonal flu kills 10,000's of people every year - then we panic about a couple hundred people dying from a "new" virus... - this is the biggest thing i don't understand about these types of viruses. ...why are we not panicking about the regular seasonal flu ???

Several things:

1) These illnesses (unlike things like smallpox or polio) will not every be eradicated (at least, not any time soon). This is because they genetically mutate and recombine often, and you don't get the same flu twice. This is the same reason that you get colds all through your life. Swine flu is different because it has certain characteristics that have never before been seen in humans. This is why things like Swine flu and West Nile virus will kill a lot of people, then gradually taper off the mortality rate. It takes time for herds to develop immunity.

2) These new viruses (like SARS) have yet to be seen in humans; for all that is known about them, they can be extremely pathogenic, and can do what the Spanish flu did about 80 years ago and kill nearly 100 million people. The danger with swine flu isn't that it's dangerous, it's that they don't know if it's dangerous or not, as it's course of life in humans is not fully understood. Also, the fact that nobody has developed any immunity to it leads to it spreading much faster and infecting many more people than a seasonal flu.

3) The swine flu and other viruses like SARS have a much much higher mortality rate than the seasonal flu. Hundreds of times higher, sometimes (seasonal flu is less than .01%, whereas Spanish flu and others have passed 10% and even higher).

4) The reason so few people have been killed from SARS is that it has been extremely closely monitored, and contained. Without the precautions taken, it could have easily killed exponentially more people.

These aren't in order, or organized. Just separated and numbered.

Hope this helps!

stonedcoder · 10-26-09, 17:28

Thanks Jawn...

Sorry if this next one sounds dumb... the Spanish flu that you speak of 80 years ago was the H1N1 was it not ?? same virus as the current swine flu - just a variant ? is that correct - or am i interpreting the naming convention wrong?

mycowarrier · 10-26-09, 17:32

The scary part about the H1N1 virus is that it is killing healthy young people. It was predicted years ago that a super retro-virus like the spanish flu that killed around 30 million will happen again. A vaccine to treat a virus that can and will mutate will only have a small impact. The H1N1 has some scary similarities to the spanish flu that killed young healthy people as well.

Jawn · 10-26-09, 17:36

H1N1 refers to specific proteins on the capsid (container) of the virus. The H means the virus has hemagglutinin proteins and the N means it has neuraminidase proteins. The number refers to one of several types of these proteins that can appear.

There are many, many different strains of H1N1, including our current seasonal flu and the current swine flu (and the Spanish flu, like you said), but they vary greatly in structure and their course of life through human populations. It means they are similar in how they attach to cells (the capsid proteins are what attached a virus to the cell it's "looking" for), but it means little else.

mycowarrier · 10-26-09, 17:50

Thanx Jawn, I am in no way a virologist but these young healthy people dying [one in my little town] is really disturbing. The Spanish flu actually slowly sufficated people to death. They turned blue because of lack of oxygen. Horrible death to say the least. I hope we're not in for "the big one"

Frequency · 10-26-09, 20:19

Vaccine = Win

Any disputes? I refer you to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9kMkJeia1o

Jawn · 10-26-09, 20:41

Nice video. I don't necessarily agree with him, though. I actually don't know quite what he's arguing, other than Ron Paul being wrong.

Not to say either side is "right" or "wrong" (mostly because with this issue, there is not right and wrong. There are far too many variables to have that sort of answer), but that there are so many complexities to this virus, it's spread, and the entire dynamic nature of current human populations that nobody (least of all some guy who makes a youtube video with no research himself) has any real clue.

Just like in Vegas, you aren't right if you win at roulette, and you aren't wrong if you lose. You play the odds and hope for the best, with no real idea as to what's going to happen.

Some of the worst things in history are done with the best intentions, and to think no negative side effects can come from a mass vaccination of an untried, untested vaccine is playing the odds with a lot of human life.

This is in no way an attempted refute of the vaccine. I just think that, with even the most dedicated and knowledgeable virologists not fully understanding viruses, their life cycle and how they interact with people, we should be hesitant to think we know so much about this particular virus. Especially considering it has never been in people before. There are way more unknowns here than known data.

Summary: You'll always be playing the odds getting any vaccine (or not getting one), and this is no different. Good luck, either way.

Frequency · 10-26-09, 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jawn

Nice video. I don't necessarily agree with him, though. I actually don't know quite what he's arguing, other than Ron Paul being wrong.

Summary: You'll always be playing the odds getting any vaccine (or not getting one), and this is no different. Good luck, either way.

Great post Jawn. What the video illustrates, along with how wrong Ron Paul is for discouraging vaccination, is that the odds are stacked against you when it comes to contracting H1N1. That percentage far outweighs the possibility that the vaccine will make you ill. It is a wager either way, but the best play is vaccinate.

Psoulocybe · 10-26-09, 22:47

Last vaccine I had was for the service... Never so sick in my life.

Eat right, workout, feel happy.... and if your day has come, your day has come.

greenie · 10-27-09, 03:06

lots of good food for thought here thanks guys! im not gonna get it still though

zodd · 10-27-09, 03:59

im getting it in a few weeks. although ive had man so i don’t think i have anything to fear from swine flue

greenie · 10-28-09, 21:26

so it looks like 90% of topiates are NOT going to get the shot for one reason or the other?

(neo)Figment · 10-28-09, 21:39

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL No!

Teonanacatl*38 · 10-28-09, 21:56

Ya...Im def with the Neo-Man on this one Not a chance.

stonedcoder · 10-29-09, 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jawn

H1N1 refers to specific proteins on the capsid (container) of the virus. The H means the virus has hemagglutinin proteins and the N means it has neuraminidase proteins. The number refers to one of several types of these proteins that can appear.

There are many, many different strains of H1N1, including our current seasonal flu and the current swine flu (and the Spanish flu, like you said), but they vary greatly in structure and their course of life through human populations. It means they are similar in how they attach to cells (the capsid proteins are what attached a virus to the cell it's "looking" for), but it means little else.

Thanks Jawn;

i think a lot of the scare out there is ignorance of what is happening... on both sides of the fence.

mate0x · 10-29-09, 13:26

Never had any flu shots before, I don't frequently go to the doctor either even if sick, and especially after reading about the rfid chips they are planning to use (and have started using) in certain vaccines, I'm all set. Even if they are only going to use them for medical records and predicting outbreaks, and even if the flu vaccine being offered to me did not contain any nanotechnology; still wouldn't take it.

People with children, and for the sake of children themselves, you have a different set of obligations, I hope no one becomes ill this season.

Dr.Hallucination. · 10-29-09, 13:58

No.

freedum · 11-06-09, 11:24

This vaccine is a great way to start implanting RFID chips in the unsuspecting public. already in NY they have RFID in all NYS drivers licenses as of 2008. Nation wide you also have the option of getting a chip put in your new born child, you know the kind they put in dogs so you can find the dog if it runs away. aside from the chip, if you really think the FDA is looking out for your best interest your sadly mistaken. all modern vaccines contain trace amounts of mercury, the mercury is used to weaken the virus to a point that the human body can fight it off and create the proper antibody to prevent further infections. Mercury is toxic, its the essential ingredient to create a "Mad hatter". A vaccine may be right for you, IMO there unnecessary, boost your immune system naturally eat proper exorcise and take vitamins.

Mermaidia · 11-06-09, 12:31

nope. I'm trying to limit myself to the only things I absolutely have to have.

SilvrHairDevil · 11-06-09, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by mycowarrier

The scary part about the H1N1 virus is that it is killing healthy young people. It was predicted years ago that a super retro-virus like the spanish flu that killed around 30 million will happen again. A vaccine to treat a virus that can and will mutate will only have a small impact. The H1N1 has some scary similarities to the spanish flu that killed young healthy people as well.

So far as I've heard, nobody over 40 gets it anyway.
I'm well covered there, so no huge lineups for me.

bbd2 · 11-06-09, 13:04

wow,
so lemme get this straight
u guys are saying no to a vaccine they are giving to kids aged 2 and up worldwide
but you think nothing of taking drugs recreationally?

they are taking on a lot of liability, they have something to lose if its not safe

i used to get the flu 2-3 times a year before i started getting flu shots
sure they dont protect against all strains, but theyve so far protected against the strains ive encountered

got the live H1N1 intranasal version, got a headache, neck muscles hurt (both are listed as common side effects of any intranasal flu vaccine). took 2 aleve (440 mg naproxen), slept 10 hrs, feel totally ok, like nothing happened

my .02, if you smoke with ppl u should get it

stickyscissors · 11-06-09, 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbd2

i used to get the flu 2-3 times a year before i started getting flu shots
sure they dont protect against all strains, but theyve so far protected against the strains ive encountered

my .02, if you smoke with ppl u should get it

Never gotten a flu shot. Never gotten the flu. I boost my immune system the natural way - biting my fingernails.

mystic · 11-06-09, 15:21

I went and had my inoculation for the h1n1 on monday. Since monday I have been riddled with body aches, nausea and puking (not a lot but I have gotten sick a couple times). I have a head ache. Over all just feel nasty. If this is any indication of what the h1n1 feels like OMG its a bad flu. Im glad I got the vaccine. Even with the slight symptoms I have its much better then getting full blown PIG FLU!

heritage ranch · 11-06-09, 21:27

after doing much research over the last couple of years i have come to a couple of conclusions

1 there are way tomany toxic additives in vaccines, they can do far more long term damage
2 the immunity (if you believe the hype) only lasts a short time. survivors of the 70's swine flu are still immune
3 there is no credible evidence that vaccines actually work. if you examine and compare countries/cultures that vaccinate against those that dont, you will see a parallel in the decline of disease.
4 as mentioned by some of the above, eating right and staying healthy goes a long way to fighting off disease
5 to many modern "diseases" can be linked to vaccines, for example autism. autism did not become prevalent untill vaccines were comon, and then only in populations that did vaccinate. even to this day, the amish (that dont vaccinate) have a disproportionate low incidence of autism.
6 vaccine proliferation is just another aspect of greedy pharmacom and a lazy govmt

bbd2 · 11-07-09, 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by heritage ranch

1 there are way tomany toxic additives in vaccines, they can do far more long term damage
2 the immunity (if you believe the hype) only lasts a short time. survivors of the 70's swine flu are still immune
3 there is no credible evidence that vaccines actually work. if you examine and compare countries/cultures that vaccinate against those that dont, you will see a parallel in the decline of disease.
4 as mentioned by some of the above, eating right and staying healthy goes a long way to fighting off disease
5 to many modern "diseases" can be linked to vaccines, for example autism. autism did not become prevalent untill vaccines were comon, and then only in populations that did vaccinate. even to this day, the amish (that dont vaccinate) have a disproportionate low incidence of autism.
6 vaccine proliferation is just another aspect of greedy pharmacom and a lazy govmt

not a single one of these is empirically true,
and there are actual scientific studies to the contrary
not speculation and anecdotal evidence

as for vaccines not working, let me know the last time you or anyone u know met or heard of anyone catching polio, whooping cough, smallpox, or even simple measles or mumps

nothing wrong with refusing to get the vaccine,
but dont act like u are somehow smarter or better informed because of the luddite attitude,

yeah the amish, wonder how many of the mentally-disabled children they bear cause of inbreeding u have encountered
low rates could be because of low reporting
uknow, taking care of their own at home in an upstairs room

i could go on and on

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LordLuke · 11-07-09, 14:19

The GOV can already suppina my blood, which is on file at around three hospitals (Kinda ghoulish). I bet there's no way to get them to destroy it either (or if there were, how would I know they actually did). So I figure why give the hospitals (which haven't done shit to treat my depression) an opportunity to stick me with their needle of experimental-X.

Mostly I think the flue shot, is (A) them trying to use us, to improve the efficiency of their vaccine dispensing methods, should there be an actual pandemic. And (B) them using the populous as a unpaid test group to determine the effectiveness of flue vaccines as a whole. That said, were there to be an actual pandemic, I, and many other people would probably be dead, a year before there was a viable vaccine. The same goes for swine flue.

In regards to RFID, as far as I know, there is no form of that technology that can be delivered through a 16 gauge needle. You'd know if you were getting it, the needle would be larger, and hurt like hell.

LordLuke · 11-07-09, 14:21

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greenie Pot Farmer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,558	Swine Flu vaccine: yea or nay? Well? are you gonna get it? why or why not? conspiracy theories welcome, but only if its your belief. __________________ I am not real. I am a computer program.

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Fresh Brewed Mycotopiate Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,047	Already got mine...SCIENCE! __________________ Life is a collection of routines and habits some more interesting than others.

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mystic ~Mystical Mama~ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,477	Im getting the vaccine id hate to be infected with anything makes me feel as shitty as swine flu ive heard makes you feel. Getting it for my son also. Little kids pass germs around like mad. Not to mention 3 weeks out of school. Ill go with science on this one. __________________ The finest emotion of which we are capable is the mystic emotion.

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sticky.mycelium Transcendent Sage Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 41	I am pretty sure anytime ive gotten the flu vaccine i shortly thereafter contracted the flu... so im gunna see what happens, plus a friend of mine said she had it and it wasnt much different from the flu i remember getting.. maybe if i was really old or a child.. ill just have to pray my immune system is up to the job.

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dfar She's so heavy!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 369	still trying to piece together evidence for or against getting the vaccine.... but so far it doesn't look like i'll be standing in line to get it http://forums.mycotopia.net/general-...-seasonal.html (Flu vaccine (H1N1, seasonal)) __________________ All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players:They have their exits and their entrances; And one man in his time plays many parts,

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greenie Pot Farmer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,558	i had it earlier this year... not much worse than a bad head cold. Im not gonna fill up my body with new crap for no reason __________________ I am not real. I am a computer program.

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potatocore Knuckledraggin Loser Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 270	well get it after our son's born but not while dannyboy is prego. she and i both gotta real suspicion zombies are gonna mke their move in the near future... __________________ ...if she had as many sticking out her as she has had in her she would look like a Hillbilly straw-log! -CoyoteMesc

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stickyscissors Humble Student Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 317	I saw this news report where the side effects of the H1N1 vaccine are starting to show up in people. They rushed this vaccine out and didn't have time to do testing, etc. I've seen a couple cases of people having severe and permanent neurological damage. So much so that their motor system is totally fucked. They walk forward like they have extreme cerebral palsy, lurching and almost like their having mild seizures. They can walk backwards just fine, and even run just fine but as soon as they slow down to a walk it's back to the shivers and shakes. Talking is also very hard for these people. I realize that the chances of this happening to me is astronomical but i just don't want to risk it. My immune system is strong enough, the natural way. __________________ Don't let the walls cave in on you. We can't live on, live on without you. You get what you give this much is true.

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firerat Hose Lord Moderator Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,742	My tinfoil will not allow me to get that government mind control poison. :: pulls hat down tight :: __________________ When someone asks you, "A penny for your thoughts" and you put your two cents in . . . what happens to the other penny?

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Jawn Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 63	Got one flu shot, got the flu. Apart from that, I've never been sick (other than common colds) since I was born. I'll take my chances.

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mycowarrier VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 950	I voted nope but for other reasons. I will do all the Noccing up myself thankyou . I also would'nt care for the incubation period of feeling alittle "contaminated" __________________ Everybody is entitled to my opinion

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Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 283	I eat about as healthy as it gets (Vegan). I take long walks in the country. I meditate. My immune system should be lookin' pretty buff.... All these illnesses were birthed out of peoples dysfunctional way of life... Artificial food coloring, GMO's, preservatives, artificial hormone's, antibiotics for the livestock, Peeps eatin' bullshit 24/7, spastic cartoons and synthetic speed for young kids, and the list just keeps rolling on..... They sell you the poison, and then sell you a false antidote. Were like the girl in a porn flick gettin fucked from every angle, and in every orifice. I say...Fuck the nasty B.S. vaccine grown in an egg (yep...their created in eggs) and boost your immune system the right way. Get excited about eating healthy...once you start, everything else starts tasting synthetic. You realize a whole new level of health. Get out and take a walk....its good for your body and your head.

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cutty AKA~ Shaftner Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 1,620	hell no for vaccine. did anyone see that youtube vid with the 25 year old cheerleader that had the swine flu vaccine and got some neurological probs? look it up and take a look see. its insane what happened to her. __________________ I'd rather be sharin flowers, Then in the pen sharin showers.

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kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	Already had it, don't see the point in getting the vaccine. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

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Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 283	Point taken I guess what I was getting at was that there just seems to be a lot more illnesses going around than there used to be. I should have just kept to the topic (flue), but I got off into a rant about all the other stuff out there. Dont get me wrong...Im not saying that conventional medicine as a whole is some kind of evil...I just think that taking responsibility by being healthier in diet and exercise would knock out a lot of the commonly experienced sicknesses out there...or at the very least significantly decrease the possibility that your immune system will be vulnerable to that stuff.

10-26-09, 17:04	#17 (permalink)
stonedcoder table for 2 @ RATEOTU Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 404	none for me thanks... but i did hear on the radio this morning that there are two variants of this virus ...the nasty one leaves you short of breath (difference between the two) and IF you get really sick (sick enough to threaten life) it's the second variety that leaves you short of breath that is the bad ass ...the other version is a lot like the regular flu. ...of course this was morning radio talk show - not "real" news... anyway - i have a question for all the egg heads that know their viral biology... how come every so often the medical establishment panics with a SARS or Swine Flu ...when the regular run of the mill seasonal flu kills 10,000's of people every year - then we panic about a couple hundred people dying from a "new" virus... - this is the biggest thing i don't understand about these types of viruses. ...why are we not panicking about the regular seasonal flu ??? ...edit - i just went and checked on the numbers - i didn't want to be way off saying 10,000's but sorry - i was way off it's estimated that the regular seasonal flu kills about 250,000-500,000 people every year - and how come we aren't in a panic about seasonal flu ... baffled __________________ This is my signature ...insignificant and dark, just like me

10-26-09, 17:09	#18 (permalink)
riseabovethought Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 34	Baxter, the company that suspiciously came up with the swine flu vaccine super fast, like faster than normally physically possible due to time necessary to adequately do due diligence developing quality vaccine materials (almost as if they knew it was coming so started the process ahead of time) has been accused of manufacturing epidemics in the past as well and then suspiciously having the vaccine ready to sell. Its big dinero, huge, enough to warrant taking rash risks like actually manufacturing the disease and then having the vaccine ready for generating huge profits quick. Big pharm business has become a monster in this case, eating its young consumers for breakfast, taking humanity for a proverbial ride to hell. I hope Im wrong, but if Im right, and a lot of smarter people suspecting the same thing are right, we are Fing up shit creek without a paddle folks. Better have a life-preserver handy cuz these people have no mercy.

10-26-09, 17:11	#19 (permalink)
stonedcoder table for 2 @ RATEOTU Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 404	2009 - FLU Pandemic. Attached Thumbnails __________________ This is my signature ...insignificant and dark, just like me

10-26-09, 17:28	#22 (permalink)
stonedcoder table for 2 @ RATEOTU Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 404	Thanks Jawn... Sorry if this next one sounds dumb... the Spanish flu that you speak of 80 years ago was the H1N1 was it not ?? same virus as the current swine flu - just a variant ? is that correct - or am i interpreting the naming convention wrong? __________________ This is my signature ...insignificant and dark, just like me

10-26-09, 17:32	#23 (permalink)
mycowarrier VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 950	The scary part about the H1N1 virus is that it is killing healthy young people. It was predicted years ago that a super retro-virus like the spanish flu that killed around 30 million will happen again. A vaccine to treat a virus that can and will mutate will only have a small impact. The H1N1 has some scary similarities to the spanish flu that killed young healthy people as well. __________________ Everybody is entitled to my opinion

10-26-09, 17:36	#24 (permalink)
Jawn Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 63	H1N1 refers to specific proteins on the capsid (container) of the virus. The H means the virus has hemagglutinin proteins and the N means it has neuraminidase proteins. The number refers to one of several types of these proteins that can appear. There are many, many different strains of H1N1, including our current seasonal flu and the current swine flu (and the Spanish flu, like you said), but they vary greatly in structure and their course of life through human populations. It means they are similar in how they attach to cells (the capsid proteins are what attached a virus to the cell it's "looking" for), but it means little else.

10-26-09, 17:50	#25 (permalink)
mycowarrier VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 950	Thanx Jawn, I am in no way a virologist but these young healthy people dying [one in my little town] is really disturbing. The Spanish flu actually slowly sufficated people to death. They turned blue because of lack of oxygen. Horrible death to say the least. I hope we're not in for "the big one" __________________ Everybody is entitled to my opinion

10-26-09, 20:19	#26 (permalink)
Frequency Code Demon Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 728	Vaccine = Win Any disputes? I refer you to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9kMkJeia1o __________________ Programmer + Psychonaut = Frequency

10-26-09, 20:41	#27 (permalink)
Jawn Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 63	Nice video. I don't necessarily agree with him, though. I actually don't know quite what he's arguing, other than Ron Paul being wrong. Not to say either side is "right" or "wrong" (mostly because with this issue, there is not right and wrong. There are far too many variables to have that sort of answer), but that there are so many complexities to this virus, it's spread, and the entire dynamic nature of current human populations that nobody (least of all some guy who makes a youtube video with no research himself) has any real clue. Just like in Vegas, you aren't right if you win at roulette, and you aren't wrong if you lose. You play the odds and hope for the best, with no real idea as to what's going to happen. Some of the worst things in history are done with the best intentions, and to think no negative side effects can come from a mass vaccination of an untried, untested vaccine is playing the odds with a lot of human life. This is in no way an attempted refute of the vaccine. I just think that, with even the most dedicated and knowledgeable virologists not fully understanding viruses, their life cycle and how they interact with people, we should be hesitant to think we know so much about this particular virus. Especially considering it has never been in people before. There are way more unknowns here than known data. Summary: You'll always be playing the odds getting any vaccine (or not getting one), and this is no different. Good luck, either way.

10-26-09, 22:47	#29 (permalink)
Psoulocybe Hoopy Frood Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 680	Last vaccine I had was for the service... Never so sick in my life. Eat right, workout, feel happy.... and if your day has come, your day has come. __________________ "I believe in a long, prolonged, derangement of the senses in order to obtain the unknown." -Jim Morrison

10-27-09, 03:06	#30 (permalink)
greenie Pot Farmer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,558	lots of good food for thought here thanks guys! im not gonna get it still though __________________ I am not real. I am a computer program.

10-27-09, 03:59	#31 (permalink)
zodd Maniacal Laughter Mwahaa! Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 584	im getting it in a few weeks. although ive had man so i don’t think i have anything to fear from swine flue __________________ who would win between a monkey and a dog?

10-28-09, 21:26	#32 (permalink)
greenie Pot Farmer Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,558	so it looks like 90% of topiates are NOT going to get the shot for one reason or the other? __________________ I am not real. I am a computer program.

10-28-09, 21:39	#33 (permalink)
(neo)Figment Lets rot some poop! Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 323	HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL No! __________________ "If you don't like my fire then don't come around, cause I'm gonna burn one down."

10-28-09, 21:56	#34 (permalink)
Teonanacatl*38 The Seeker Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 283	Ya...Im def with the Neo-Man on this one Not a chance.

10-29-09, 13:26	#36 (permalink)
mate0x VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 50	Never had any flu shots before, I don't frequently go to the doctor either even if sick, and especially after reading about the rfid chips they are planning to use (and have started using) in certain vaccines, I'm all set. Even if they are only going to use them for medical records and predicting outbreaks, and even if the flu vaccine being offered to me did not contain any nanotechnology; still wouldn't take it. People with children, and for the sake of children themselves, you have a different set of obligations, I hope no one becomes ill this season.

10-29-09, 13:58	#37 (permalink)
Dr.Hallucination. Chasing the Rabbit. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,818	No. __________________ The man who walk's through the door on the wall,Will never be quite the same,As the man who went out.

11-06-09, 11:24	#38 (permalink)
freedum Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 14	This vaccine is a great way to start implanting RFID chips in the unsuspecting public. already in NY they have RFID in all NYS drivers licenses as of 2008. Nation wide you also have the option of getting a chip put in your new born child, you know the kind they put in dogs so you can find the dog if it runs away. aside from the chip, if you really think the FDA is looking out for your best interest your sadly mistaken. all modern vaccines contain trace amounts of mercury, the mercury is used to weaken the virus to a point that the human body can fight it off and create the proper antibody to prevent further infections. Mercury is toxic, its the essential ingredient to create a "Mad hatter". A vaccine may be right for you, IMO there unnecessary, boost your immune system naturally eat proper exorcise and take vitamins. Last edited by freedum; 11-06-09 at 11:25. Reason: unnecessary redundancy