Poppy alcohol extract..

[Scroto Baggins]

Originally Posted by Oblivion

Water extract yield should be around 25% of the dry wieght of the pods less seeds.

FWIW, my average yield of tar from dried straw has consistently been in the 20%~ range.

Indeed it is much safer to use weight as a basis for dosing over volume or pod count. After a couple of doses (keeping everything homogenized by grinding) you should have a general idea of how much poppy straw it takes to reach the desired level. For my taste (minimal opiate tolerance), I usually enjoy anywhere from 15-20g dried poppy straw(mixed 1/2&1/2; pods and stems) for a round-trip into nod-land.

[Eddie Mersh]

Is this extracted version oraly active or is there some chemical change that could harm. Is it just as effective as the tea?

[Soliver]

Golly:


Some years ago, when I was still diddling with pods, pills, and withdrawl
(before I discovered Kratom, which is certainly addictive, but at least legal
and currently easy to acquire) I had an interesting experience:

Along my travels into euphoria, I tried a variety of Absinthes, even made my
own, but failed to have any "real" effect from the beverage. The imported
absinthe was long gone when I had my idea, but fortunately "Pernod," the
legal American equivalent, was readily available. I purchased a bottle, and
soaked a dozen or so pods in said liquor.

My mother-in-law was coming to town for four days, and I found myself
quite addicted to opiates, but without means to ingest it while she was
around... how do you explain the foul smelling tea process once a day to
an unbeliever?

But I digress... by the time she got in town (I think I soaked them for about
four days or so), the liquor had been strained and placed into a new bottle.

Actually, it was the glass bottle portion of a lava lamp that had gone bad
(a very cool looking place to stash liquid goodies ) and I stashed it in my
closet. I found that one shot, twice a day, maintained me quite nicely,
and when she was gone, I tried the whole "absinthe thing," with the slotted
spoon, sugar, etc., except it doesn't burn, as Pernod isn't high enough proof.

Nonetheless, it worked quite well and had some nostalgic resonance.



soliver

[Eddie Mersh]

that is with ethonal my good man, SWIM speaks of the Isopropyl extractions that so many speak of, cost of ethanol is nothing to scoff at but isopropyl is readily available and cheap...but SWIM doesn't need to reitterate what's already known. I state my question again: Can isopropyl extractions yeild a orally safe/effective extraction versus "The Tea"?

[twoguysupnorth]

we got ovalies in our order. big pretty pods and all about the same size except for some small extras thrown in. a ground up pod with no seeds was about 2 grams. the ones i grew in the garden this yr, taz, ovalies and hens and chicks were all different sizes so i combined those and use either 3 grams or 3 tbls. very relaxing and nice.

no idea about eating iso wash. i would think it would be safe as long as it was fully dried/evaped but i just dont know.

i think i am more impressed with the tea and or eating it in yogurt or applesauce than an extraction.

[jahjuice]

this everclear extract is the bomb diggity; excellent vaped on coal
in hookah and eaten. was worried I'd have to try xylene or something.
This has me no shit....
with no methadone kick and toasty....added some nice carrabean rum
to the soaking pot for flavor....yum! The key is to use the everclear to extract,
then use a proper aged rum, whiskey or the like for subtle flavoring.
To take to the next step, cure in wood identical to, or able to play off of, flavoring liquor's curing barrell
Rum has gone well for me, I'm imagining the sweet quality of the molasses is what has done the trick.
The others are also nice, subjective to taste i suppose.

[Oblivion]

Yes it orally active. When using a water or alcohol extraction , the remaining tar can be taken orally. I almost always go for the tea but if Im going camping or some such, I will pack the tar into gel caps and eat at my leisure. For me it takes about 3 grams of tar to do the job. I prefer tea because I think you get more out of it and you skip the painstaking task of scraping the tar.

[hungryjim]

...I'm lucky enough to have some pods and a pint of Everclear. Does anyone know what kind of ground pod weight I could extract in 16oz. of ethanol ? ( I don't want to waste any pods, or F it up!) I plan to smoke the end result product. (I had what was called "real" opium YEARS ago...tasted like perfume, sorta, and relaxing.) I look forward to the experience!

[jahjuice]

Hungry, save yourself some trouble. Get a couple liters of evi, or
mix it it up, one evy litr, one rum for flavoring etc,
get like 100 or more big boys and throw that in your soaker.....
Should get like a couple medium sized pill containers full and lasts.....
Too much energy for a small amount
Never used pure ethyl though, don't know how that would break down into the above mentioned method in ur amount.
Oh well, if your not addicted better to stay that way

[RestartLater]

OK the tea has always helped my back pain but not as well as pain meds :{

So I look forward to trying this to obtain quality pain relief and not have to put up with the bull shit of kissing arse of some doctor ..LOL

I digressed sorry.


PS How well will the poppies grow in doors? Also, would you know the variation periods of light I need to use? Such as inducing the flowering of good ole sticky THC :+}

Long time no talk to many of you miss ya


RestartLater/ ogame addict

[hungryjim]

[twoguysupnorth]

there was a thread here somewhere that did an indoor grow. it worked i guess but isnt really economically feasable for the amount you get. try a search, later.

[Oblivion]

Originally Posted by RestartLater

PS How well will the poppies grow in doors? Also, would you know the variation periods of light I need to use?

It is reverse of grass. Growth cycle should be 12 hrs and flowering is induced at 24 hrs of light. Most here say it is a waste of time and effort to grow indoors. I disagree with that. Obviously it's a waste for them. If you need it for pain, it isn't a waste for you. They can be as carefree as other house plants with the exception of a white fungus that can attack them. That is handled with funginex. DONT spray funginex after flowering!

[mycobri]

going to finally try this now with a vaporizer set at 300 F
no white smoke yet
what temperature did you end up using Golly?

the extract is 6 months old and not as clean but
we'll see how it works

[jahjuice]

You guys know that there is often a lot more goodies left in the grounds after doing an alcohol extraction. Personally I'm now doing an alcohol (for at least 24 to 48 hours on low heat after adding boiling water to the booze and pod solution) followed by a boiling water extraction over a like an additional hour or so then throw away the grounds and add the liquors all togeather then reduce and clean/filter. When I add a sample of grounds after the last boil to a glass with warm water to see what's left color/alkoloid wise its clear (that's how I know when to stop soaking); making me feel very confident in my extraction. The resulting putty is the best I've made to date. Because my doctor wrote me a prescription to do this as my opi. maintence, I have to go over everything with him, and he agrees that this is the most efficient food grade method that he would advise. He says eth. alcohol is a great "clean" solvent to pull the alkoloids out with less latex biproduct then water but it will take forever to extract and you won't get anywhere near all the goodies (unless you can wait a month or so and even that's not a guranteed 65-75% pull). He says the alcohol still in/on the grounds will help keep so much useless crap from entering your second pull with water.

[rocketman]

If you do the alcohol extraction there isnt " a lot" left, more like just enough to do a water extraction and it be worthwhile. I find the second pull with water to be just a brown and nasty as any other water extraction.

[Soliver]

Originally Posted by jahjuice

Because my doctor wrote me a prescription to do this as my opi. maintence, I have to go over everything with him, and he agrees that this is the most efficient food grade method that he would advise. He says eth. alcohol is a great "clean" solvent to pull the alkoloids out with less latex biproduct then water but it will take forever to extract and you won't get anywhere near all the goodies (unless you can wait a month or so and even that's not a guranteed 65-75% pull). He says the alcohol still in/on the grounds will help keep so much useless crap from entering your second pull with water.

Did I miss something, or did you suggest that your DOCTOR is giving you tips on extracting opium from poppy pods?

Where I'm from (USA) that would be grounds for a medical doctor to lose his license, as ingesting poppy
pods for narcotic purposes is quite illegal, not that lot's of folks don't do it...

weird.

One would think a doctor as liberal-minded as that would simply drop you a
scrip for real narcs?

soliver

[twoguysupnorth]

some places in europe(holland i think?) will allow you to grow a certain amount of poppies even for use. i read about one person who was allowed to grow a 20' x20' garden before needing permits and such.

[M&M420]

Damn I wish they had the same laws over here.Just for informational purposes I'd like to note that I've done both the alcohol and the water extraction.The alcohol extract comes out extremly sticky and hard to deal with while the water extract came out actually pretty hard and pliable.Tar for tar I think the alcohol extract was more potent but a pain in the arse.I followed dooby's tea tek only using more pods and less water.10 pods ground in coffee grinder to 50 grams.Powder was extracted with boiling water twice and resulting water was left in a baking dish to evaporate.Evaporation was taking too long so I started used near boiling water in another dish placed under the dish with the extract.

It took 2 days to evap like this.The results were 14 grams of a verry thick tar and 4 grams of powder.The powder was from where the dish was tilted.It was extremly hard to scrape so I would suggest using a flathead screwdriver to get most of it and cleaan the rest of with a razor blade.I tried smoking the powder on tinfoil but only gave me a verry relaxed and distant feeling but no itchiness.Normally 3 to 4 grames get me lit for most the day(note that this is my tolerance and not your's.Start small!!).But all in all I just prefer the tea method but this extract would be good if you had to to take a trip.I wish I had my camera to provide some pics for you all but mine recently broke.