Poppy alcohol extract..

golly · 10-17-07, 16:56

Just a small test for extracting the pods without heat.

3 medium pods ground and soaked in a halfpint of
95% alcohol for 8 days...Then filtered and dried at room temp..

I'm suprized at the amount of solid matter remaining,even though it was poured thru a paper filter..

Anyhoo, I want to vaporize some of this goop..

I'm wondering what's the best method, I have read the lightbulb method...I also have tinfoil which would be ideal if it did not produce any toxic fumes when heated..?? Any ideas welcome..

hyphaenation · 10-17-07, 17:01

Smokeless coals are cool. They are sold for making fondues and for backcountry ski survival.

You light the coal, it sparks a lot then glows red with no emissons. People also use these coals for hookahs. I like to use a metal tube for inhaling (preferably stainless), never use plastic.

I've used it many times for oil and a few for poppy goo.It works for any resinous plant extract. You can break a coal in two pieces if its just you or for a few "hits".

Hope this helps

Cheers Golly
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chimp · 10-17-07, 20:59

Those coals are also used for Hookah's.

the jesus · 10-17-07, 21:09

Cool, let us know how it works out for ya.

camMyco · 10-17-07, 21:19

Golly, is that the residue after evaperation? would Butane extraction yeild any worthwhile goo from poppies?

chimp · 10-17-07, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by the jesus

Cool, let us know how it works out for ya.

Yes, please do....it looks like a vaporizer may be the ticket too, for that stuff.

CoyoteMesc · 10-18-07, 12:07

A light bulb is cheap, works well, and easily disposed of. I just wash the salts out and go for it. A straw works great to suck up the vaper. Let us know how it goes for ya Golly.

losfreddy · 10-18-07, 13:21

I've used the glass part of a Karosene lamp to smoke DMT and as an oil burner. Just place what your burning in the dip and cover the outside end with your hand. Its an easy, quick pipe.

Also, whats the advantage of using Alcohol rather then water for poppy extraction?

hyphaenation · 10-18-07, 13:26

I've been posted this in other poppy goo threads, but just in case you haven't had a looksie...

http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...anufacture.pdf

opium-poppy-cultivation-and-extract.pdf

golly · 10-18-07, 17:57

Thanx for the info guys...Will attempt a 300-400F vaporization into a foil Sphere with an opening to place the metal straw..
If that seems to work then i'll get more creative, mebbe...

From what i've read, it's important not to burn the goop - just bubble it up..We'll see..

hyphaenation · 10-18-07, 18:03

Goo'd job Golly !

chimp · 10-18-07, 18:05

Cant wait to see the results I have a similar experiment in the works.

the jesus · 10-18-07, 18:10

Me too, I've been waiting for this. Good luck Golly.

golly · 10-18-07, 22:44

I definately have a nice buzzz going..

An hour ago, i vaporized about one tenth of the extract from 3 medium pods, in the foil cup...It immediatly began to sizzle with a white mist rising from 5 short bursts with the lighter..Inhaled thru the tube , those 5 small hits began to have an effect within miniutes.
Just a nice light euphoric and energizing feeling at first , now becoming more relaxing..
So far, i prefer this to the tea ...It would take 2 medium pods for an equivelent tea dose effect..Yeah - i'm a light weight Heh..The Buzz is a bit different ,maybe more up ..
The vapour has a pleasant taste too..

chimp · 10-18-07, 22:46

Good news...!

NEPHROSIS · 10-18-07, 23:40

I always thought there would be no effects from smoking.

How long was the buzz?

golly · 10-19-07, 07:49

My guess is the low temp burn preserves the goods..After 21/2 hrs, i think it was wearing off a bit by bed time..No effect this AM..
Someone else should try this to confirm..For every medium sized pod it normally takes to get u off with tea - take 3 hits of vapour..

I don't know the optimum soak time for extraction in alcohol , mine was 8 days ..
Use IPA if u want to save a buck..
Evapouration time for a half pint was 26hrs at 70F with a small computer fan...

CoyoteMesc · 10-19-07, 15:50

Good deal Golly, nice work too buddy

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golly · 10-21-07, 17:44

Ok, i tried another round today - vaporizing about a third of an extracted pod ..Had the same effect as the first time , a nice euphoric up feeling , slowly becoming more relaxing..
Lasted about 3 hours with most notable effect at 20-50 mins..

Overall , a very pleasant, light buzz and for me - preferable to the tea method ,as there were no noted side effects and the shorter duration is a + ....

Next time i'll double the dose for research purposes..

safTman · 10-21-07, 17:55

congrats golly on your success
you are a researcher after my own heart

i'll have to start this project pronto.
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chimp · 10-26-07, 21:13

I am thinking that maybe I can blow a pipe out of test tube..with map gas. making a vaporizer of sorts. Blowing a bowl on the end and putting a hole in the top...applying heat from the bottom with a lighter would vaporize that stuff don't ya think?

golly · 10-26-07, 22:37

That could work ..Might have to make a practice run or two..You want the glass to be thin enough that it doesn't accumulate heat and keep burning your tar, when u take the flame away..
I took a couple more hits 2nyt with same effect..Will double up on Sunday..

Hope that works out for y Chip...

whatsupdoc · 11-03-07, 20:56

I use the Eagle Bill vaporizing pipe. It is a glass vaporizing pipe available from grasscity.com. I also use 91% IPA for the extraction.

golly · 11-03-07, 23:50

I tried vaporizing a double dose but it didn't double the effect..Still a very pleasant head buzz though..
When i take a nice big hit - the euphoria is almost instant...

claykrys · 11-04-07, 01:14

Ive got to try this

NEPHROSIS · 11-04-07, 11:44

whatsupdoc - So you get effects like Golly?

whatsupdoc · 11-05-07, 21:12

Pretty much the same. Details as follows:

- 60 grams powdered poppy pods , three 91% IPA extracts for 3 days each

- Total of about 32 oz combined IPA extracts evaporated

- Left with pleasant smelling brown sticky tar

- Use gas burner and glass vaporizing pipe in lieu of traditional opium pipe and alcohol lamp.

procell · 06-24-08, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

A light bulb is cheap, works well, and easily disposed of. I just wash the salts out and go for it.

.

If I may ask,

Quote:

how did you wash the salts out?

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Freaky · 06-24-08, 22:55

I've been inspired

I've got pods to use so I can further research this wonderful thread

cactuswren · 06-26-08, 01:14

The next time I do an alcohol extract I'm going to try something I read in a popular poppy forum. Put the gooey results of the extract in some just-simmering water [shouldn't need much] for 15 minutes stirring occasionally. Next, siphon/suction off the layer of oily non-opioid residue that should rise to the surface as all the desirables are presumably in the water. Reduce this water down to tar and cool. This is supposed to produce a more potent and smoother smoking pseudo-opium. It reminds me of how the people in Asia boil the raw opium ,skimming off the surface debris until the water is reduced to tar, which is left in the sun to dry. This becomes "cooked" opium for smoking. I have some tincture which should be ready to experiment with this weekend. I tried the iceolation method before and wasn't impressed with the results. That's where you use a tea made from fresh pods and extract with a number of partial freezes. I used dry pods which may have made a difference, though I'm not sure why. Anyway, I'm hopeful that cooking the goo will produce a finer smoke.

jahjuice · 07-13-08, 03:55

When I smoke mine i mix it with bubblehash, its standard scraped raw
(don't like the idea of smoking alcohol residue in hashoil or O)
I'm new to the site (but a long time consumer) and don't know any of the more complicated extaction teks (from experience) you folks seem familiar with, I hope to change that

Looky · 07-13-08, 04:17

If I may ask, Quote:
how did you wash the salts out?

.
I'm assuming you're talking about getting the white off of the bulb. There are 2 ways you can do this. First, you can use a little H2O2 and it will come right off. Then dry and you're ready to go. Second way, you add about a tablespoon of table salt to the bulb and shake vigorously. The salt basically sandblasts the white off the bulb in seconds.

jwmyspace2000 · 07-14-08, 03:25

opium needs to be vaporized.aluminum foil doesnt release any vapors that im aware of. opium should be very dry before you smoke it to get best effects."chasing the dragon" is a common method of smoking opiates by heating material on a small piece of aluminum foil and inhaling through a tube (usually a cut-up pen),i'v tried it a few times but i use the top of a bottle instead of a tube because it captures more smoke and is easier to hold in your mouth(you need 3 hands to smoke opium).if you want 100% ISO you can mix the 91% with uniodized salt info here http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Salt-Out/
unless you have some facts im not aware of,it should be noted that ISO is used because it evaporates quickly not because it is the right solvent.

jahjuice · 10-28-08, 04:37

You can get a "supercharged goo" by adding scolding hot water to your pods in pickling, or some other over 10% vinegar and bakingsoda and then let them soak and cool down over night.. Not only does it do a damn fine job of extracting the goodies, it leaves (get it

) the chlorphyl and what not out of the final equation. The vinegar protects the putty from bacteria and breakdown, allowing it to age/cure very well. This can be capitalised on by curing in some sort of subtly flavoring/toning container; ie a minnie oak winebarrell, or my favorite, a fine hashish or cigar box recently emptied of its original contents. You must however "deflate" this well, because the vinegar can create a really nasty codeine compound that is removed with the application of heat. What sucks about this type of goo is it has an extremely short half life. Pods saved me from my life shattering experience with bupenephrine and "the methadone clinic", though I'm still figuring out how to properly treat my withdrawl symptoms. I quit the clinic cold turkey (no real taper) about 2 to 3 months ago and I'm still in the thick of it unfortunately, desperately trying to figure out how to make the pain/kick go away so I can WORK and other important things. On top of this, I was actually diagnosed with Endorphin Deficiency Syndrome....Back to the Point............................
I don't think I will be using this method for maintenece due too its short half life,
I'm back in HELL ON EARTH METHADONE WITHDRAWL with in two hours of dosing this stuff.....
but those 90 min.-2 hours are straight

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However that's not my main point. The tea and regular water extracted goo work very well for me, but due to the "done kick" I go through it way too fast/can't afford it that way. I'm trying to do this in an economically feasable manner because I can't go to work while I'm sick....hence I'm not really working right now making things even more DIRE. I don't consume alcohol period (I hate the stuff) but am seriously considering an alcohol based goo extraction and maybe deflatting with toluene (eww!) on top of that. I know for sure that will be closer to what better helps my body as well as having a longer half-life. The vinegar extraction is definatly the way to go for those suffering from kidney and liver issues, or people with UAs and the sort, due to its short half life, it'll be less stressful on those organs and types of situations. It vaporizes EXCEPTIONALLY WELL, best used on hookah charcols or orally for best effects; ie. wouldn't use a light bulb for this one.
I know this is.......................KINDA MUCH
But please, any strong, long acting goo processes or advice is very appreciated.
THANKS AND GOOD WILL TO ALL

golly · 10-28-08, 09:59

Thnx for the input Jah and welcome to Topia..
Kratom can be of some benefit for jumping off done or poppies ..

Eddie Mersh · 10-28-08, 12:40

would it not be better to use 70% isopropyl alcohol since the goodies tend to lean to dissolving in water more than the alcohol, giving the advantage or faster dry than water and more yeild than high grain?

Oblivion · 10-28-08, 12:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by golly

Next time i'll double the dose for research purposes..

Damn, I would swear I typed that! A man after my own heart!

golly · 10-28-08, 14:29

Heh - i hear ya...
It's possible that 70% may extract more easily Eddie,,It may also dissolve more unwanted elements and would def take longer to dry..
I dunno really, easy enough to try though..

Oblivion · 10-28-08, 14:38

Did you happen to weigh the pods prior extraction and then the extract? If so, we can compare alcohol vs water extraction weights.

golly · 10-28-08, 15:13

No..The resulting potency comparison would be pretty subjective imo..

rocketman · 10-28-08, 16:12

i never smoked it golly, but from doing water extractions and pga/everclear extractions, the alcohol always yielded a superior product. much more potent gram for gram. i use somewhere around 1 big heaping teaspoons of the brown water extracted stuff, vs. around a dime sized ball of alcohol extracted stuff. edited to add: the alcohol extracted stuff is black and sticky vs. the brown water extracted stuff.

the alcohol extract is bitter, but its very easy to take orally. the water extracted stuff smells like chocolate flavored coffee, but it is plain nasty when you dissolve it in hot water to drink.

these are my experiences, and i believe the water extract is not as clean as the alcohol. the problem is the cost of everclear, around 30 bucks for 1.75liters. it doesnt go very far for the cost.

also i wanted to note the alcohol extracted pods can be extracted further with water afterwards. so none of the goods are wasted. the alcohol is not as efficient it seems, but really you can use grounds twice from my experience. so either way you can get another pull. just alot cheaper doing a second pull with water.

i make tea with grounds and save them til the next time in the fridge. i have made tea with just these grounds and it still has some goods left, i would guess around 25% strength. if you brew these used grounds a second time seperately then toss them out, and add some fresh grounds it will enhance your tea or make your pod stash go farther.

anyhow, sorry for going off topic a bit, i just wanted to let you know what ive found. i still never tried smoking any of the extract. have you done actual latex before? and if so how does this compare?

aumbrellaforainydays · 10-28-08, 17:56

theres no $12 bottles of everclear in your area?

rocketman · 10-28-08, 17:58

yeah the pints are around that much, but that wont go far at all.

Eddie Mersh · 10-28-08, 18:02

[quote=rocketman;606972]

anyhow, sorry for going off topic a bit[quote]

any information is welcomed information, thanks for the data.

golly · 10-28-08, 21:31

Haven't tried the real deal [latex]....
I could never get wasted from the vaporized extract, just a moderate euphoria - dunno why...
Soaking weed in the stuff is pretty interesting though, def wasted heh...

Oblivion · 10-29-08, 12:56

Water extract yield should be around 25% of the dry wieght of the pods less seeds.

krinec · 10-29-08, 17:11

i thought the 'goodies' disolved better in water than in alcohol

twoguysupnorth · 10-29-08, 17:29

i did a 100proof alchy extraction and ended up with a little ball but considering i used 10 pods and took 1/4 of the ball that didnt do too much. relaxing yes but high no. about that time i had been taking pain killers for a couple of months so that may be why. 2 pods in tea to start would deffinately gave me a good feeling. i enjoyed vaporizing the other 1/4 's of the ball and got more from it that way. though not really pain killing.
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krinec · 10-30-08, 08:30

witch variety do you guys use?
when i make tea i nead at least 15 - 20 pods to get high...

Oblivion · 10-30-08, 08:57

There are many. Nowadays I go by weight and not pod count cause the great variation in pod size. The prettiest imo are danish flags. Ive been selective breeding them for some time now for my climate.

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10-17-07, 20:59	#3 (permalink)
chimp Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,425	Those coals are also used for Hookah's. __________________ Respond, Vibrate, Feedback, Resonate

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camMyco Modified Honey Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,142	Golly, is that the residue after evaperation? would Butane extraction yeild any worthwhile goo from poppies? __________________ William Blake’s poem: “If the doors of perception were to be cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: infinite”.

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CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	A light bulb is cheap, works well, and easily disposed of. I just wash the salts out and go for it. A straw works great to suck up the vaper. Let us know how it goes for ya Golly. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

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losfreddy Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 112	I've used the glass part of a Karosene lamp to smoke DMT and as an oil burner. Just place what your burning in the dip and cover the outside end with your hand. Its an easy, quick pipe. Also, whats the advantage of using Alcohol rather then water for poppy extraction? __________________ Quit reading my mind!

10-17-07, 21:09	#4 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,643	Cool, let us know how it works out for ya.

10-18-07, 13:26	#9 (permalink)
hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	I've been posted this in other poppy goo threads, but just in case you haven't had a looksie... http://forums.mycotopia.net/attachme...anufacture.pdf opium-poppy-cultivation-and-extract.pdf __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

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golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Thanx for the info guys...Will attempt a 300-400F vaporization into a foil Sphere with an opening to place the metal straw.. If that seems to work then i'll get more creative, mebbe... From what i've read, it's important not to burn the goop - just bubble it up..We'll see..

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hyphaenation Puck Teknician Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,646	Goo'd job Golly ! __________________ We're just flying by the seed of our plants.

10-18-07, 18:05	#12 (permalink)
chimp Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,425	Cant wait to see the results I have a similar experiment in the works. __________________ Respond, Vibrate, Feedback, Resonate

10-18-07, 18:10	#13 (permalink)
the jesus mayor of boozeville Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,643	Me too, I've been waiting for this. Good luck Golly.

10-18-07, 22:44	#14 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	I definately have a nice buzzz going.. An hour ago, i vaporized about one tenth of the extract from 3 medium pods, in the foil cup...It immediatly began to sizzle with a white mist rising from 5 short bursts with the lighter..Inhaled thru the tube , those 5 small hits began to have an effect within miniutes. Just a nice light euphoric and energizing feeling at first , now becoming more relaxing.. So far, i prefer this to the tea ...It would take 2 medium pods for an equivelent tea dose effect..Yeah - i'm a light weight Heh..The Buzz is a bit different ,maybe more up .. The vapour has a pleasant taste too..

10-18-07, 22:46	#15 (permalink)
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10-18-07, 23:40	#16 (permalink)
NEPHROSIS Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 233	I always thought there would be no effects from smoking. How long was the buzz?

10-19-07, 07:49	#17 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	My guess is the low temp burn preserves the goods..After 21/2 hrs, i think it was wearing off a bit by bed time..No effect this AM.. Someone else should try this to confirm..For every medium sized pod it normally takes to get u off with tea - take 3 hits of vapour.. I don't know the optimum soak time for extraction in alcohol , mine was 8 days .. Use IPA if u want to save a buck.. Evapouration time for a half pint was 26hrs at 70F with a small computer fan...

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CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,045	Good deal Golly, nice work too buddy . __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

10-21-07, 17:44	#19 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Ok, i tried another round today - vaporizing about a third of an extracted pod ..Had the same effect as the first time , a nice euphoric up feeling , slowly becoming more relaxing.. Lasted about 3 hours with most notable effect at 20-50 mins.. Overall , a very pleasant, light buzz and for me - preferable to the tea method ,as there were no noted side effects and the shorter duration is a + .... Next time i'll double the dose for research purposes..

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safTman easily distracted Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 573	congrats golly on your success you are a researcher after my own heart i'll have to start this project pronto. </IMG>

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chimp Space Lord Modulator Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,425	I am thinking that maybe I can blow a pipe out of test tube..with map gas. making a vaporizer of sorts. Blowing a bowl on the end and putting a hole in the top...applying heat from the bottom with a lighter would vaporize that stuff don't ya think? __________________ Respond, Vibrate, Feedback, Resonate

10-26-07, 22:37	#22 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	That could work ..Might have to make a practice run or two..You want the glass to be thin enough that it doesn't accumulate heat and keep burning your tar, when u take the flame away.. I took a couple more hits 2nyt with same effect..Will double up on Sunday.. Hope that works out for y Chip...

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whatsupdoc Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10	I use the Eagle Bill vaporizing pipe. It is a glass vaporizing pipe available from grasscity.com. I also use 91% IPA for the extraction.

11-03-07, 23:50	#24 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	I tried vaporizing a double dose but it didn't double the effect..Still a very pleasant head buzz though.. When i take a nice big hit - the euphoria is almost instant...

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11-05-07, 21:12	#27 (permalink)
whatsupdoc Mycophiliac Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 10	Pretty much the same. Details as follows: - 60 grams powdered poppy pods , three 91% IPA extracts for 3 days each - Total of about 32 oz combined IPA extracts evaporated - Left with pleasant smelling brown sticky tar - Use gas burner and glass vaporizing pipe in lieu of traditional opium pipe and alcohol lamp.

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Freaky Magik Mod Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,901	I've been inspired I've got pods to use so I can further research this wonderful thread __________________

06-26-08, 01:14	#30 (permalink)
cactuswren Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 77	The next time I do an alcohol extract I'm going to try something I read in a popular poppy forum. Put the gooey results of the extract in some just-simmering water [shouldn't need much] for 15 minutes stirring occasionally. Next, siphon/suction off the layer of oily non-opioid residue that should rise to the surface as all the desirables are presumably in the water. Reduce this water down to tar and cool. This is supposed to produce a more potent and smoother smoking pseudo-opium. It reminds me of how the people in Asia boil the raw opium ,skimming off the surface debris until the water is reduced to tar, which is left in the sun to dry. This becomes "cooked" opium for smoking. I have some tincture which should be ready to experiment with this weekend. I tried the iceolation method before and wasn't impressed with the results. That's where you use a tea made from fresh pods and extract with a number of partial freezes. I used dry pods which may have made a difference, though I'm not sure why. Anyway, I'm hopeful that cooking the goo will produce a finer smoke.

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jahjuice Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7	mix with hash When I smoke mine i mix it with bubblehash, its standard scraped raw (don't like the idea of smoking alcohol residue in hashoil or O) I'm new to the site (but a long time consumer) and don't know any of the more complicated extaction teks (from experience) you folks seem familiar with, I hope to change that

07-13-08, 04:17	#32 (permalink)
Looky Former Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,891	If I may ask, Quote: how did you wash the salts out? . I'm assuming you're talking about getting the white off of the bulb. There are 2 ways you can do this. First, you can use a little H2O2 and it will come right off. Then dry and you're ready to go. Second way, you add about a tablespoon of table salt to the bulb and shake vigorously. The salt basically sandblasts the white off the bulb in seconds.

07-14-08, 03:25	#33 (permalink)
jwmyspace2000 Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 60	opium needs to be vaporized.aluminum foil doesnt release any vapors that im aware of. opium should be very dry before you smoke it to get best effects."chasing the dragon" is a common method of smoking opiates by heating material on a small piece of aluminum foil and inhaling through a tube (usually a cut-up pen),i'v tried it a few times but i use the top of a bottle instead of a tube because it captures more smoke and is easier to hold in your mouth(you need 3 hands to smoke opium).if you want 100% ISO you can mix the 91% with uniodized salt info here http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Salt-Out/ unless you have some facts im not aware of,it should be noted that ISO is used because it evaporates quickly not because it is the right solvent.

10-28-08, 04:37	#34 (permalink)
jahjuice Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 7	You can get a "supercharged goo" by adding scolding hot water to your pods in pickling, or some other over 10% vinegar and bakingsoda and then let them soak and cool down over night.. Not only does it do a damn fine job of extracting the goodies, it leaves (get it ) the chlorphyl and what not out of the final equation. The vinegar protects the putty from bacteria and breakdown, allowing it to age/cure very well. This can be capitalised on by curing in some sort of subtly flavoring/toning container; ie a minnie oak winebarrell, or my favorite, a fine hashish or cigar box recently emptied of its original contents. You must however "deflate" this well, because the vinegar can create a really nasty codeine compound that is removed with the application of heat. What sucks about this type of goo is it has an extremely short half life. Pods saved me from my life shattering experience with bupenephrine and "the methadone clinic", though I'm still figuring out how to properly treat my withdrawl symptoms. I quit the clinic cold turkey (no real taper) about 2 to 3 months ago and I'm still in the thick of it unfortunately, desperately trying to figure out how to make the pain/kick go away so I can WORK and other important things. On top of this, I was actually diagnosed with Endorphin Deficiency Syndrome....Back to the Point............................ I don't think I will be using this method for maintenece due too its short half life, I'm back in HELL ON EARTH METHADONE WITHDRAWL with in two hours of dosing this stuff..... but those 90 min.-2 hours are straight . However that's not my main point. The tea and regular water extracted goo work very well for me, but due to the "done kick" I go through it way too fast/can't afford it that way. I'm trying to do this in an economically feasable manner because I can't go to work while I'm sick....hence I'm not really working right now making things even more DIRE. I don't consume alcohol period (I hate the stuff) but am seriously considering an alcohol based goo extraction and maybe deflatting with toluene (eww!) on top of that. I know for sure that will be closer to what better helps my body as well as having a longer half-life. The vinegar extraction is definatly the way to go for those suffering from kidney and liver issues, or people with UAs and the sort, due to its short half life, it'll be less stressful on those organs and types of situations. It vaporizes EXCEPTIONALLY WELL, best used on hookah charcols or orally for best effects; ie. wouldn't use a light bulb for this one. I know this is.......................KINDA MUCH But please, any strong, long acting goo processes or advice is very appreciated. THANKS AND GOOD WILL TO ALL

10-28-08, 09:59	#35 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Thnx for the input Jah and welcome to Topia.. Kratom can be of some benefit for jumping off done or poppies ..

10-28-08, 12:40	#36 (permalink)
Eddie Mersh Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 30	would it not be better to use 70% isopropyl alcohol since the goodies tend to lean to dissolving in water more than the alcohol, giving the advantage or faster dry than water and more yeild than high grain?

10-28-08, 14:29	#38 (permalink)
golly modapotato Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,198	Heh - i hear ya... It's possible that 70% may extract more easily Eddie,,It may also dissolve more unwanted elements and would def take longer to dry.. I dunno really, easy enough to try though..

10-28-08, 14:38	#39 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,622	Did you happen to weigh the pods prior extraction and then the extract? If so, we can compare alcohol vs water extraction weights. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.