Poppy pod over use...... Withdrawals?

[wendal]

I've used pod tea on an occasional basis for many years.

I always made sure to keep my use under two or three non-consecutive times every couple weeks.

This always kept tolerance in check and kept me from becoming dependant.

For whatever reason(s), this last week, I ended up using the tea every night.

So thats 6 nights in a row.

Tolerance was surprisingly unaffected ..... I dosed between 30 and 40 grams each time with little change in end results... (although a small dxm dose was taken before each cup of tea, which I read keeps tolerance down)

Anyway.....I'm just wondering if life is really going to suck if I just stopped dosing the tea now?

Not sure if this is even considered 'over use' (it is for me though)

[weed4all]

to get withdrawls you'd have to use it for a few months(everyday or every other day). dont take that as a ticket to start pushin your luck. it would still be a good idea to stop drinkin for a lil while, mabey a week or two.

[bugs]

One way to find out....

[Hippie3]

it doesn't take months, just a couple weeks.
stop now,
if you can...

[rocketman]

you beat me to it Hip. with your tolerance as high as it is now, you may be hurting for a bit. quit for a few weeks or months, then spread it out over weeks not days.

[floppypeter]

if after you stop pods your quads (tops of legs) ache and you start to get a sniffle you may be starting the fun process of withdrawl, these symptoms may or may not progress to diarrhea, nausea, fever, inability to sleep, sweats, etc. More than once or twice with pods every week and you are itching for trouble. ( itching get it lol)

[wendal]

thanks for the info guys


me thinks I will be re-evaluating my use schedule

[Myc]

If you begin to experience withdrawal symptoms severly, perhaps some kratom would help ease the process? I found kratom's effects to be very similar to Percocet. Of course you'd have to use sparingly so as not to make a habit of kratom!

Good luck with that monkey. Takes little or no time to get addicted.

[cleanjar]

"I've used pod tea on an occasional basis for many years.

I always made sure to keep my use under two or three non-consecutive times every couple weeks.

This always kept tolerance in check and kept me from becoming dependant.

For whatever reason(s), this last week, I ended up using the tea every night.

So thats 6 nights in a row."

'not all too surprising. opiate addiction fascinates me in a way. it is creatively cunning, unique and in some cases deadly.

there really is no way of me explaining it to someone who has not already been to hell and back with it. and even then i do not want to talk about it. but honestly i can read in between the words of what i quoted from you and see a few things you have not yet figured out about opiate addiction.

good luck (?), be healthy
Cleanjar

[tregar]

floppypeter said:

get a sniffle you may be starting the fun process of withdrawl, these symptoms may or may not progress to diarrhea, nausea, fever, inability to sleep, sweats, etc.

Ah yes, perfect description. Imodium helps a little bit with the diahrehea and withdrawal too. Take advil to help with the fever/headache symptoms.

[Lefty]

If your're starting to wonder it's getting late. As in too late. Next you'll tell yourself you don't even like it that much. Then that you can handle it. But you'll still be doing it, more. Then you get owned, like all the horror stories you've heard. Put that shit down, or atleast get some good stories for the meetings. Opiate addiction is like sex in that it's hard to explain to the uninitiated. At the same time profound & requiring perspective to appreciate. I highly suggest you aquire perspective rather than begging perspective aquire you.

[joluvs2gro]

I'm with weed4all on this, it would take alot more than a few weeks to get that bad. Take it from someone who does have a habit. It took me about 4 months of using oppies to really get a habit, of course that was years ago. It does seem like once you get a habit though, even if you quit it comes back worse, everytime you start using again, the w/d's get worse and worse, harder to stop. You are still in the mental stage and should probably stop now!!

[Hippie3]

i got hooked in barely two weeks after my bike wreck.
it's about dosage frequency-
do a decent 'bump' every 4-6 hours for 2 weeks
then go 'cold turkey'
and see.
i was projectile vomiting, sweating, shivering- miserable.

[prism]

Sounds lovely guys...

Makes me not want to try pods.. Good luck to all struggling, I am addicted to alcohol so I kinda feel your pain. 6-12 beers every other day doesn't seem like much to me anymore. I am hoping that in the future I will have enuff weed and shrooms to beat the beast so to speak. I have found that I don't really have to drink one after another when I am shroomin. I can just have a beer or two..

or I can drink the whole goddamn cooler dry in a matter of hours,. Just seems like I have more control over it shroomin.

Gluck

[rocketman]

It takes a very disciplined person to adhere to a schedule that keeps them out of trouble. If you do not think you can manage it, the best thing to do is just stay away.

The world is full of people that thought they could adhere to such a schedule and are addicted by the way. So maybe just staying away to begin with is best.

[wendal]

Well, four days later, no significant w/d symptoms presented themselves......'cept for some slight sniffles, diarrhea, and a bit of a lethargic feeling....

I struggle with cocaine addiction as it is, so I dont need to be throwing more addictive substances in. Or be replacing one problem with a worse one.


As noted, my use schedule will be changed simply to ONE session per month....no more.

If I find myself cheating, I'll be quitting while ahead.

[rocketman]

Good to hear wendal. Best of luck!

[Hacxor]

so is a bad place to ask how many pods should i take for a first time
i know that it is bad and would only like to try it once as i try most other drugs only once

[AmBe]

Originally Posted by Hacxor

so is a bad place to ask how many pods should i take for a first time
i know that it is bad and would only like to try it once as i try most other drugs only once

1-2 max

[golly]

One jumbo gave me a moderate kick the first time ..I would have been nausious/dizzy with two...

[floppypeter]

Mix one large pod with some yougurt. Grind up the pod in a coffee grinder. THey are fun and make me feel great. There's enough warnings here at this point. On the up side when used sparingly, pods usually give a lovely warm feeling that everything is OK and as it should be, my paitence for minutia and my normal everyday anxieties shrink to almost unperceptable on the horizon, also, I have a great amount of energy and compassion. WOW !! no wonder these things are so fuggin dangerous !

I have gone through withdrawls from pods. I'll never forget shitting all over the floor of the bathroom while on my knees naked vomiting in the toilet. This memory is what keeps me from doing them 2 often. At this point, I treat myself twice a week max to a pod dose, a Minimum of 3 to 4 days between doses. Any more than that and I will have to stop them completely. Know youself. Milage may vary.

[rocketman]

Use one medium to large pod, maybe half a jumbo for your first time. Start slowly and give yourself a good hour to hour and a half for full effect, seriously you should wait that long.

If you need to go up from there go slowly. You can overdose easily if you do not have a tolerance or experience.

[wendal]

I hate this "use XXX number of pods!

That can vary so widely..... making for such a horrible guideline.


If you can, get a scale...grind your pods up into dust(blender, coffee grinding)...and weigh your dose out!

Over the past few years using pods, I have yet to get a batch that my weighed out dose yielded a higher or lower potency.

But with just counting pods this becomes possible. Some of the larger pods will weight up to 7 or ten grams (dry)......... if a person became used to 3 smaller pods that only weight a couple grams dry they be mighty surprised.... 10grams is allot different than 30 grams!

Anyway, I'd start at 7 grams..... this will let you get a feel for them....from there go up to maybe 15 grams......from there you should be able to gauge your 'sweet spot' in weight.....

[rocketman]

Well its like this wendal, whether you go by pod size or weight you have the exact same dilemma for a first timer. if i tell you to do a large pod you are going to use somewhere around 8 dry grams.

so, it doesnt matter for initial dosing one way or the other.

yeah use grams, okay how many? please tell me how many grams is going to be fine for a first timer, because either way you have to start somewhere, and the truth is i have consumed many many pods and the difference between them is pretty minimal.

i want to know where i can get a single large pod that would od me, cuz i sure havent found anything near that potent.

So before you get all tweaked out and say grams is safer than number of pods, just think for a second about how many grams you will recommend to somebody for their first ride. The safe answer is 1g, but you will likely be wasting their time.

either way you wont be accurate, because everyone is different.

The benefit to dosing with grams is EVENTUALLY you will find your dose to the gram. Still any way you want to look at it, there is no perfect way for anyone to find their dose for the first time. a single large pod works for most, and is not dangerous.

So hate it all you want.

[cleanjar]

Originally Posted by wendal

As noted, my use schedule will be changed simply to ONE session per month....no more.
If I find myself cheating, I'll be quitting while ahead.

yes well the human brain is prone to becoming addicted to opiates. and there are no exceptions. unless you are invincible of course.
one of the things many people do not understand is that when a person gets to the point of using everyday they no longer give two sh*ts about it and just want more drugs even though not many junkies want to live the lifestyle and wonder all day long how on earth they can kick it.
honestly, trying to limit yourself to recreational use of opiates only once a month is funny talk in the mind of a junky. very cunning she can be. every single time you ingest opiates your tolerance goes up a little bit and never really goes back down for the rest of your life even if you quit for 20 years, for the most part.
the first bag of smack will satisfy most peoples brains for about a year. their second bag will satisfy for a year maybe. the third 8 months. then 6 months. 3 months. 1 month. 1 week. everyday. 20 times a day. down to 10 times a day needing 30. down to 5 times a day needing 50. honestly it becomes astronomical the amount of money that is needed to live the lifestyle. so unless you have millions of dollars to make yourself sick then you will be a very broke desperate and sick individual for a while.
i would not suggest using pods or any opiates at all unless a doctor gives them to you for a medical reason i suppose (although that is how i got started being addicted to morphine at age 13, and did not figure out how to be clean until 21). be healthy. opiates are not really "poison" but that is basically what they are. otherwise, have a fun time learning the ropes the hard way
cleanjar

[rocketman]

I agree with that CJ. There are a couple of schools of thought on that. For the most part NA believes once you are an addict, always an addict. I do not buy that because for me I dont have too. I quit cold turkey during April of 05' I think it was. I can use on occasion, but I am very careful. I never want to be in the state of using opiates to just feel normal again. That had a lasting impression on me to say the least.

Others very well may be that way, and knowing your limitations and not dosing unless like you said, given to you by a doctor is needed to keep them out of trouble.

[cleanjar]

i was trying to describe that it does not really happen over night for most people. it can be a process of 2-3-4 years before a person uses all day everyday. 'though it could be theorized that people become addicted with their first opiate experience. or maybe the second your dads sperm enters your moms egg you are already a human and humans get addicted to opiates. i really would not listen to the people who claim they have used opiates for years without becoming addicted because it is just funny talk, a mirage created by the flower lady.
i will also add that i do not believe it matters what type of form of opiates you begin using, because the mere act of ingesting opiates is addictive. some junkies find that the act of obtaining the chemicals is more of a rush then using them.. it is very glamormous i know, standing in a piss filled hallway in the southside of chicago sick as living hell waiting for the door to open to get more smack, well, it is not as great as many would first think.
oh and when a person is nodding out and "friends" wack him up with a lethal dose on purpose and leave his body in the park for 5 year old girls to find a couple days later. none of those 'friends' were invinsible i can guarantee you that. 'people i knew since grade school. they all ended up being someone people could trust believe it
sorry for the rant, i suppose i could go on for a long time.
cleanjar

[cleanjar]

yes rocketman, it is a slippery slope indeed.

i have been clean for i would say 9 years. during that time i only spent a month using dope again and do not remember becoming all too sick at all (it gets InSaNeLy bad going cold turkey after many years of using all day long). and a couple times doctors would prescribe me weak opiate pills and, even with those my mind would slip into somewhere words cannot describe, but never got strung out on them. opiates are not fun at all for me. they are no play toy.

[viraljimmy]

Withdrawal is hell. I had several times with H and would only last for a weekend then dosed again to go to work. I have been through lots of withdrawals. There are things that can help, if you can find it. I used methadone to quit H forever in august from 4 bags a day. Then I used suboxone and xanax till the suboxone dried up. I am using poppy pods now, not every single day, but I will start to get sick after a day, not unbearable like H. But I have not drank alcohol since April when my wife ran off with my drinking buddy. And off xanax for two months now, after ten years on it.

Xanax helps for quitting drinking, but it has withdrawals too, and it can make you black out. Methadone has it's uses, but again withdrawal. Don't mix xanax and methadone. I think suboxone is a good thing if you need off H or methadone. Like was said above the smart bet is to not get started at all.

[Phlux-]

I think the best thing for opiate add's is subutex - its buprenorfine - this works well it is not addictive and is better on your system that methadone

[floppypeter]

IMO not all opiates are made equal. Herion does not equal Pods, to me.

every single time you ingest opiates your tolerance goes up a little bit and never really goes back down for the rest of your life even if you quit for 20 years

I don't really argee with this point unless you are bieng specific to H. If I am prescribed a bottle of hydrocodone to take from my dr. for pain for a few weeks then go back to the pills after a week or so they still work the same as they always have for me. month after month year after year.

I also believe that people can do pods once in a while recreationally. At this point after years of using opiates in moderation ( 2 to 6 times a month sometimes a month between doses ) opiate moderation works for me. Opiates are all around me, friends w pills/ poppies etc. I am smart enough to say no when it's appropriate. To me, it's foolish to think that the set of all humans is going to have the same reaction to opiates that you have we are all different when it comes to how drugs effect us. SOme folks are more prone to addiction than others IMHO.

[Hippie3]

every future-addict sez the exact same thing though,
they're all too smart and only others get hooked.

[floppypeter]

That is true Hippie, very true

[cleanjar]

Originally Posted by floppypeter

IMO not all opiates are made equal. Herion does not equal Pods, to me.
I don't really argee with this point unless you are bieng specific to H. If I am prescribed a bottle of hydrocodone to take from my dr. for pain for a few weeks then go back to the pills after a week or so they still work the same as they always have for me. month after month year after year.
I also believe that people can do pods once in a while recreationally. At this point after years of using opiates in moderation ( 2 to 6 times a month sometimes a month between doses ) opiate moderation works for me. Opiates are all around me, friends w pills/ poppies etc. I am smart enough to say no when it's appropriate. To me, it's foolish to think that the set of all humans is going to have the same reaction to opiates that you have we are all different when it comes to how drugs effect us. SOme folks are more prone to addiction than others IMHO.

oh man, i have never heard that from anyone before.. you should let scientists study your brain because you must be the one exception! no really i like when a friend is shooting dope driving down the interstate and spins out of control and flips his jeep a dozen times. it was a nice experience giving his sobbing parents hugs in front of his casket. the best thing to do in that scenario is go into the funeral home bathroom with every stall filled and the scent of dope cooking up in the air. hm, where might you think most of us went to after that funeral..?

[cleanjar]

actually i will tell you what i did. i went with the guy who was in the passenger seat of the jeep and miraculously survived. a few broken bones, but he still knew where we were going and not a word was spoken where we were going we just went.

[floppypeter]

Cleanjar, I am very sorry about your H addicted friends and your problems with injecting dope. I feel like you missed my main point.

Eating poppies is not the same as injecting Heroin, it's apples and bannanas two different things, thier akaloid profile is very different, they are a different high.

Just because you've had a horrible experience with H dosen't mean that is going to happen to everyone who eats a poppie.

I'm giving you the benifit of the doubt that you come of offensive and shrill because this is such a tender wound for you.

A little of my back story, I have cronic pain, following service to our country, some problems developed that dr.s cant seem to put thier finger on but has been giving me pain 20+ days out of the month for years. I usually don't talk about it. I think it's relevent here. I can get a hydrocodone script from my dr. at any time. I don't however, because I have respect for the opiates. Just like I respect the shroom, MJ, blow, LSD, speed, kratom, tobacco. I used to smoke cigsand I got addicted to that for years as a teen into my late twenties. When my chest startedhurting and I couldn't run as far or fuck as long, I quit them, after a couple hundred attempts. Cleanjar, did you know that the media would have us think that cigs are as addictive as heroin ?

Just because you were addictted to H does not mean I will get addicted to Pods. I've allready gone through pod withdrawls last year. It sucked for a few days, like I said above. A famous man once said something like " it's not the drugs that are the problem, it's the other stuff"

I'm not claiming to be different than youi, like I'm impervious to addiction or something,you and I are both humans , however, I think we have radically different perspectives when it comes to using opiates. I'm not saying your wrong. Heroin sucks and the world would be a better place without it IMO. But, Poppies are nice and can be enjoyed in moderation IMO.

Opiates arn't for the un-initiated. If you've never been addicted to anything don't try em. But if you have lots of drug experience and you know yourself and maybe have been able to give something up in your life that you were addicted to and respect the drug I think that it can be used for recreational or medical purposes.

[cleanjar]

"did you know that the media would have us think that cigs are as addictive as heroin ?"
cigarettes are more addictive then that stuff from what i understand.
i suppose that a person could have respect for opiates, maybe if they are a afghanistan drug lord who processes millions of dollars worth of opium every year then yes. but otherwise, your thought process or selection of words (saying respect) is off kilter. those poppy pods respect nobody.
although one might think that poppy pods are safer, they still contain codeine and morphine.. those substances are no play toy even if you do suffer from chronic pain and a doctor prescribes them to you
consuming poppy pod tea "2 to 6 times a month".. does that mean that some weekends you do not crave it and other weekends you do crave it for some reason. i would be careful with those things homie. i have never consumed poppy pod tea but the images of those things that i have seen, well that is a powerful shape to have in your possesion. hm, i wonder if anyone in china or afghanistan ever got addicted to pods.. or got addicted to smoking the blood that oozes out of them when a person pierces their flesh.. innocent enough to most i suppose, it is just a pretty red flower that makes all your troubles melt away
i guess no one needs to tell anyone on this message board that opiate addiction does esculate
'ever tell you about the time my dealer who i bought from hundreds of times got into my car and held a gun to my head to rob me of $40 and a half pack of cigarettes? -well if you ever end up going to the area around the corner of maypole and killipatrick and meet a guy named papa lore, tell him that i said "hi"

[cleanjar]

i saw drugs at a early age. i grew up in the first suburb adjacent to the south side of chicago (ever heard that song "it's the badest part of town"?). i would see the sears tower from my house everyday. the first time i remember seeing people using drugs was probably before the first grade when the girl next door and i went to the park to play. i started hearing stories from parents about the emergence of crack cocaine and how they were using it at the park and trying to sell pipes and drugs to little kids. we went to the park and people were cooking up and shooting at the slides. so i suggested we get out of there right away, then got harrassed by some maniac living in a dumpster. ah the memories. so floppy peter, how many of your friends have you seen in caskets from opiate abuse? have you lost count yet?

[viraljimmy]

Originally Posted by Phlux-

I think the best thing for opiate add's is subutex - its buprenorfine - this works well it is not addictive and is better on your system that methadone

That's what I was talking about in the post right above yours. You can quit H and not really get sick - with suboxone.

Addiction and dependence are two different things. Addiction is mental, dependence is physical. The problem with opiates is not that you get addicted to taking them - it's that you get physically dependent on them. Without the dope, the body feels the opposite effects in a similar strength. I see it like taking out a loan for feeling good, with interest.

Also, tolerance does go down with abstinence, even for H.

[doodaa man]

opium/opiate addiction is unlike any other thing ! you brain actually grows more receptors the more you use. that is the tolerance. your brain needs more to fill more receptors. I have been on pain killers for the past five years. I have been to spine doctores and i have no other choice or relief other then pain meds. I'm now on opana. oxymorphone= oxycodone and morpheine mix. i also take straight oxycodone for brakethrew pain. I do abuse. and when i run out it is a living hell.
all i have to say is ..... don't get hooked on any opiate. yes it is a nice feeling but hell to get off of. I live in pain day and night. L5S1 is shot and i wont get my back fused. doc says pain may not go away. I have all kinds of shit going on in my lower back. all i can do is manage the pain with meds. I have no other choice , but others do ! I love scraping off the coating of opana and giving a blast up my nose ! I get so much done with minumal pain. but then it takes two pills then three, then i run out weeks before a refill and then the hell begins !
just stay away if you really want a normal life. soboxin is just a traid off. hayron and all other opaites are to be treated with respect. please take my advice ,dont play. it aint like coke , weed, acid, all other drugs are just thoughts that you need it. opiates your brain really does nee it ! stay away !

[floppypeter]

will do

Haven't had a pod in weeks.

[Looky]

Well this thread is a bit of a downer. I have smoked O a few times in the past. It was a long time ago. I don't even remember the feeling that I had. I remember I was really fucked up, but other than that, I don't remember. We smoked that with some KB. So tea doesn't give you a sort of stoned feeling?