Opium Poppy Teks

[sgt. rock]

A company called Suttons Bay Trading (just use Google or any search engine and enter "Suttons Bay Trading") sells "Poppy Seeds, Whole" and says that "The slate-blue poppy seeds are widley used in the middle-east and India for baking and garnishes,ect." These would be your basic Papaver somniferum seeds,right? Well they sell them for 16 oz. (about 480 grams!) for just $4.95.
Do you think they are sterilized or otherwise treated so that they are not viable? Probably not,right? i.e.,theyre' probably viable right?
Thats alot of seeds cheap,I know theyre' probably a lower opium content variety than Persian whites,Taz,Hen & chicks,ect. (bread-seed variety?)
But you could plant tons of em'
Whadyathink?
Is it too late to plant my Persian white seeds (from Bouncing Bear) in S. California? (I could sit em' outside in the morning and bring em' indoors under flourecent lights at night.

[Hippie3]

too hot by now
poppies need cool temps when young

[sgt. rock]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

too hot by now
poppies need cool temps when young

Wont grow at all?i can bring em' in the house?

[kingstrrophariad]

okay ive got 14g of poppy seeds, i found a nice field out in the country that my girlfriends family owns and nobody ever uses. im ready to grow some poppy, persian white. im hoping to get enough opium for the winter.
my questions are a few, first what kind of soil and water amounts do they like, how long does it take to grow them and third do you think helecopters in new york state would be trainded or able to spot white poppies(thats why i went with white, i figure its less conspicious)
thanks for anyhelp, im gonna let a bunch go to seed and have them spread there and keep some to share with the kind peaple i meet in life.

[Hippie3]

it's too late to be planting poppies in new york, too hot.
wait until late september.
no one looking for poppy fields by air inside the usa
so unless you plan
on growing several acres of them
i wouldn't worry much on that score.
see
http://forums.mycotopia.net/poppies-opium-etc/

[Jonah]

i have a few planted in peat pots, starting off. how big do i let them get before i plant them in the ground?

-j.

[Hippie3]

you just plant the whole peat pot in the ground
no transplanting needed
so go anytime.

[kingstrrophariad]

would they grow anypods at all, im kindof eager, and it has been cold around here, think we had some frosts in may, and rainy. and if i plant in september, they wont grow till spring, correct?

Correct....I planted in mid may in N.Pa a few years back and had some nice pods by late July...

[Hippie3]

if i plant in september, they wont grow till spring, correct?

incorrect, the idea was to get a fall crop.
if the freeze waits long enough, that is.
poppy seeds would not survive a new york winter
and will not return the next year.

[Hippie3]

would they grow anypods at all, im kindof eager, and it has been cold around here, think we had some frosts in may, and rainy.

what is relevant is the weather for june, not the past.
if it starts getting hot,
as it likely will,
that's a real problem.

[Hippie3]

not worth it,
you need ALOT of poppies to get enough to mess with.

[Hippie3]

by Starter
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Intro.

Papaver somniferum is a cold season annual by Aussie standards and only does best in the cold climate areas of the continent. Time for kick off sowing downunder is mid-Autumn and the finish is early Summer, dead by Christmas day but harvest is truly done by then -- strain Tasmanians.

I have no idea what ops climate/season like in the Northern Hemisphere. I can only comment on cold climate Australia for opium poppy. You'll have to do your own homework, but a good rule of thumb is adopt what onions like. They too are cold season growers. If you can't run a long season strain like Tasmanians, then run something fast like Turkish Commercial.

Seed Raising

Raise seedlings by sprinkling on the top of a moist potting mix outdoors when temps are 14C to 15C, as cold is needed to break the dormancy cycle. Seed trays need drainage, so if you line a bread tray with plastic (as seen in the pic) punch some holes through it with a screw driver. You can break the dormancy cycle for an expedient germination with a couple of weeks in a baggie in the crisper dish. As a side note, store seeds in paper bags in a dark cool drawer.

Now I've found almost any potting mix will work. Poppy is a hardy bastard. But hey, add 1 part peat and 1 part perlite to 3 parts potting mix to make a good seed raising mix. The peat holds more water and the perlite gives a better air filled porosity. While they grow, get on with making the garden bed they'll go to.

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Soil.

You want good garden soil, a fine till, stacks of worms and well drained. The site must be full sun. Veggie qual soil is a must to get the results. Use hay as mulch, it cranks the worms.

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Good garden soil will power plants. If you can grow veggies then poppy is as easy as pissing on your hand.

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To make beds, dig over with a mattock and shovel and then till with a fork. Or if ya slack hire a rotary hoe. Build beds up by drainage trenches to break beds up into sizes you can access. Remove all weeds in the process.

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Hay is vital, it increases soil fertility and lowers weed invasion. Cover in 2 sheets of newspaper, then the hay and/or straw. I like alfalfa hay as a base, then barley straw on top. Less algae on barley, you can bare foot garden. Straw/hay is also vital in keeping poppy roots cool through out the growing season. Aussie sun is intense, even if the air is refrigerator cold.

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Planting out 'n Growing.

Now you can sow direct to beds, IME it sux, they come up way too thick and unless thinned like carrots, they won't do as well as clump plantings.

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Clump plantings are simple. Transplant from seed trays as a clump the size of your fist at 3" tall grid space to bed 600mm x 600mm apart.

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A single clump at the finish has a trunk structure like this. There's 5 plants in this one.

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You can see the trunks/stems at base are about 50mm wide.

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Approx. 50 pods per clump.

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Which is why you NEED the 600mm x 600mm space between these clumps as it's gonna get as full as a bull's arse on the bed...capiche. You need room to get into it to harvest opium without stomping on the trunks and slaying your plot. Poppy trunks get squashed and stripped by boots. Don't walk on them and kill the goose that's laying out the good stuff...so to speak.

You should also lower the water delivery to the plot just before it flowers. That way the latex flow will be hard. If after alkaloids then a good indicator is lower leaf desiccating.

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You also work backwards in the plot, that way you don't wipe off the bleeding opium onto your clothes. Watch the bees too, they're in BIG numbers when in flower.

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They will get to 5ft tall in good soil, full sun, well drained...get a book on veggie growing.
What is worth stating is a taller crop is a better one as you can tend at a comfortable height, i.e. less stooping on the back scraping pods.

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The ^above strain is the single red, it's a Tasmanian. Has a long season, high morphine content. Works nice as a garden ornamental too.

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Closer look...

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Of course, you don't have to broad bed 'em, you can embellish a flower garden to stealth them in.

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...and if you just want colour, well grow any strain you like. Colour or drugs, you decide based on the strain you grow.

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The main pests and diseases of poppy IME are slugs and snails at seedling stage and caterpillar on the pods. Just use snail baits and on the caterpilla, spray with Dipel. Botrytis too can attack the pods as well as powdery mildew on the foliage. I'm not a fan of fungicides, I believe in growing what works. Hence I don't get much P&D drama, certainly not with Tasmanians -- they're a solid work horse.

What's next?

Ok, you've got a plot of poppy, high alkaloid content, it's ready to bleed. Make a scraping tool. You start the bleeds about 3 to 5 days after the petals fall off. You only go 0.5mm to 1mm deep. Too shallow, she won't bleed. Too deep and she bleeds back inside the pod wasting it. You'll work it out soon enough.

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Best I've found to scrape in the morning, then collect in the evening. It sets in the sun. That way errant dews/frosts won't wipe off the work. If it's going to rain, hold back on scraping or you'll lose it.

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Raw opium off ornamental strains...

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The darker it is, the better the quality IME. Note the difference!!

So grow the correct strain for the specific task, drugs or colour?...don't forget what your goals are. This is single red Tasmanian raw opium, 'dis be da shit. Smokes well just as you see it.

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Wanna make it stronger and a better smoke?

Add some water to a bowl to dissolve the raw collected latex. The return is approx. 2/3 of what raw latex you had.

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Double saucepan heat it to dissolve it. Water will go amber. Some people lower the pH with lemon juice or vinegar. I haven't noted any difference.

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Filter it through a 73u bubble bag.

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Toss that waxy waste material.

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Pour the caught liquid back to a pyrex dish and double saucepan cook to evap off the water.

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You get a layer like fine chocolate glass. Cling film on top so don't lose it as you scrape it up...

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This is the goods. Smokes up easy.

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Wanna embellish it?

Make some hash, yeah have the materials to do that...

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Go to http://www.bubblebag.com as I won't bother explaining how to make ice hash. But you don't want the hash dried like a normal hash product when mixed to cooked smoke grade opium, you'll never get the two to "set" together. So don't have your hash like this.

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Make up some more hash, this is 73u full filtered preemo ice-hash.

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Some 25u preemo, it acts as the "binding agent" -- very sticky.

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Mixed to preemo ice hash, shape with a spoon. Don't touch, the cooked smoke grade opium is water soluble. You want it to dry natural, so place somewhere warm, like on top of a tropical fish tank. The fluro under the hood will dry it nice.

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As it dries, it will go a jet black colour...

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Once dry, break off small chunks to a glass pipe, acrid and yet spicy, full drug indulgence.

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So you want to make some edible grade eh?

Best to use pods that are dried, seeds removed and crush to a dust. Don't have a pic of that. But you're looking at every 300 grams dry seedless pods ground to a "poppy flour" will furnish 100 grams putty.

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Cook it, gentle boil for 2hrs. You can throw in a cup of lemon juice or a 1/4 cup of vinegar. The lower pH is said to aid extracting out the morphine. IME, it makes no real difference, Tassie pods kick serious arse!

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Strain it, in this case through a 250u bubble bag to a 20lt bucket...

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Toss the caught matter, clean pot and add the liquid caught in the bucket back to the pot and boil off the water.

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When you get to the last 1/2" deep or so, it's gonna get thick and it will prolly burn on the hobs, so tip to a pyrex dish. Sit it on a heat pad and let it evap off slow over 48hrs. Put a tea towel over the top, stops dust/insects getting in it. Hey, you're gonna eat it, be clean.

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Please note, use the correct strain. Ornamental poppy strains will give a brown edible grade putty, not nearly as good as the black stuff.

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Once evap'ed off, she sets like a putty. Scrape it up, can be tough stuff. You might wanna use a large flat head screw driver.

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Roll to balls to eat, 3 grams is a solid dose. Find your level, it will make you very ill if you OD. Wrap excess up in a dusting of plain wheat flour, cover in cling film and pop into the freezer. I have had it keep for 3 years so far with no drama and as good as the day it was made.

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Well, that's it.
Happy growing and O'ing.

[Hippie3]

by MeneerCactus



Papaver Somniferum is a very easy and beautifull plant to grow. Just through the seeds in your garden in spring or fall and nature does the rest. After a few years your garden is cased with poppie seed and it will act like weed.

Many rivers to cross and a few steps to have a nice smoke.

Here we go...

All that is needed.

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Yesterdays fresh harvest.

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The harvest is put into some water.

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The water is heated (30 minutes) "Au Bain Marie" poppie water does not boil.

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I used aquariumfilter synthetic cotton (polyfill alike) to filter the O-water.

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Filtered the O-water twice this way.

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Placed the juice in a petries under a lamp (warm not hot).

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14 hrs later it was dried and ready to scratch.

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A nice result and transformation of yesterdays harvest.

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And a kind of close up.

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Thats all folks, I hope you enjoyed the show!

[condo_pygmy]

NICE growing Hippie3

Great pic's !!!!

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How's the combo, smokin' opppy w/ spice ?

thnx for posting this...
these grow guides/opium harvesting teks
are the best info on this shit i have seen by far....
you rock hippie.....
i didn't see you do this...so...
archive material

[condo_pygmy]

Hippie3, for the dried O pod tek,
R the seeds removed prior to ice extraction or does it matter ?
Thanx in advance.
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[Hippie3]

seeds contain actives too
leave 'em in
unless you want some saved for later use

[condo_pygmy]

Many Thanx H3 !!!

[hogwild]

thats some good info, i think ill have to add it to my own personal archive.

[Master_Shake]

how would one go about making a solid O (for smoking not for eating) from already dry pods?

i would like to make a good smokable solid from dry pods (ei taz from ebay)

what would be the method or order of methods to obtain a pressable solid ending in the form of small chunk or little blocks of opium?

i dont think its covered above or if it is im not getting the order of steps
not growing it , not tea , not a solid for eating, but from pod to solid....

this may seems redundent but im really not catching the jist here...

id simply like to smoke a lil O.
it being unobtainable localy, i must improvise.

thanks in advance for any help.

[Master_Shake]

yea... so would this be the answer or is this not what i was looking for?

by hip...
1. Take pods, dried or fresh, and freeze them
2. Add 4 parts water for each 1 part pod material into a blender and grind it up good
3. Pour it over in a mug or similar, stirr it well for some minutes, then let it sit for about 1 hour in room temp.
4. Strain it to discard the biggest chunks, use a strainer with fairly big holes.
5. Fill the upper brown and most clear layer over into a bottle, let the rest stay in the mug
6. Extract the goo and particles left in the mug with more water, like was done with the pods in step 2 and 3.
7. Strain and pour this solution also over into the bottle
8. Shake bottle and put in a freezer (Dont cap the bottle, could explode if pressure expands it while freezing)
9. When half the solution in the bottle has frozen filtrate it with a cloth (t-shirts work fine) and discard the ice.
10. Put the solution back into bottle, shake it well, freeze it down again like in step 8 and 9.
11. Take this second filtrated solution and evaporate it in a pot placed in a larger pot with cooking water (warm bath)
12. The brown substance left in the smaller pot when evaporated, sometimes a bit like mexican tar, can be smoked.


looks to be. but im making sure before i start kickin myself.......
if there is anything i should be doing diffrently than the above please let me know.

[condo_pygmy]

Good question there M_S.
I too plan on making a smokable O
The freeze tek should work wonders !!!
I'm goin' ta mix with some spice...

[Hippie3]

...12. The brown substance left in the smaller pot when evaporated, sometimes a bit like mexican tar, can be smoked.

yep

[condo_pygmy]

Great H3, Your knowledge is a goldmine !!!