CHAT CHANGES- VIP ACCESS - Page 3

BIG M · 06-13-08, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

very soon
only staff & VIP members here will have access to chat.
i regret the necessity
but i feel a message must be clearly sent
that i will not permit the chat to
be a place of negativity.
i will re-open chat
on a probationary basis
with new criteria to gain access.

I now understand hippie AND will become a VIP soon thank you 4 your patience and my understanding! PEACE

rambi · 06-13-08, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by procell

.

I miss the box on the home page that showed who was in chat at the time.
It was easier to check and see if people where in there with out having to load the chat applet.
Just my 2 cents . . .

.

i can't see it either.

always nice to see who is there.
but i was able to log in to chat with no problem.
and i can load the home page. so if that's all i have to worry about...
i have no worries.

ramb

zombiewoof · 06-14-08, 09:02

I had just messaged you about my inability to enter chat before finding this thread. So much here for a newbie like myself to find and consider. Your community and wealth of information is well worth the investment of time, money and energy to support. It's hard for me to even imagine people coming here for negative /destructive ends but I'm sure it happens if you say so. I'll donate shortly. Thanks for all the effort, it shows.

ShroomGuerilla · 06-14-08, 09:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by zombiewoof

I had just messaged you about my inability to enter chat before finding this thread. So much here for a newbie like myself to find and consider. Your community and wealth of information is well worth the investment of time, money and energy to support. It's hard for me to even imagine people coming here for negative /destructive ends but I'm sure it happens if you say so. I'll donate shortly. Thanks for all the effort, it shows.

procell · 06-14-08, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambutan

i can't see it either.

always nice to see who is there.
but i was able to log in to chat with no problem.

Super weird, I can see who's in chat if I DON"T log in
Once I log in it vanishes
OH well it will all be different soon anyway . . .

Sm0OthSkiLLz · 06-14-08, 17:33

wtf man i dont post things on the forums and thats where i like to talk with people at come on.....

whatchamacallit · 06-14-08, 17:43

Guess I need to send ya $25... Wanted to chat from bonnaroo, but I haven't been around much as of late, due to festival season.. Anyways, much love to all my regular friends from chat, I'll party it up for all of you here at roo, and I'll send in my $25 when I get back home!!

Hippie3 · 06-14-08, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sm0OthSkiLLz

wtf man i dont post things on the forums and thats where i like to talk with people at come on.....

didn't expect everyone to be thrilled
but to be honest
your profile is exactly the kind
that this was designed for-
and the attitude just confirms it.

BillyJack · 06-14-08, 23:19

Hi, I just donated for VIP access tonight. How long might it take for the changes to go through? Thanks

Hippie3 · 06-14-08, 23:21

look at your nym...

BillyJack · 06-14-08, 23:22

Sweet!

Yale · 06-15-08, 00:17

I am not sure if I agree with the methods employed to block access to the chat, but that is only because I never experienced the trolling. If everyone else says that it's been bad then I'm sure it is for the best. I am also aware that this is a privately owned site, so I respect the freedom of the owner do to what ever he goddamn pleases as long as it is within the realm of legality ( I mean that sincerely

)

After thinking the matter through thoroughly I have decided to donate towards Mycotopia. I figure I have dropped more on pointless video game that never taught me anything so why not help a cause that has provided me with much knowledge and great conversation.

Hippie3 · 06-15-08, 08:41

MurCurY · 06-15-08, 15:39

poop....when i get home from dinner....you got something coming to you....

Hippie3 · 06-19-08, 18:01

mydarling · 06-19-08, 18:11

any updates regarding the chat userlist being added back to the homepage for non-mods?

Hippie3 · 06-19-08, 18:17

do you see an update ?

it is there, it was not taken away.
but it's an issue of permissions, i guess,
and it's not very important, to be honest.
we'll see what can be done
but you should not hold your breath as you wait.
you''d turn blue...

mydarling · 06-19-08, 18:19

no, thats why i was asking if you were working on anything we hadn't heard about yet. i didn't think it would hurt to ask.

Hippie3 · 06-19-08, 18:23

rest assured
when it's fixed
you'll know.

rambi · 06-20-08, 08:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by mydarling

any updates regarding the chat userlist being added back to the homepage for non-mods?

clem, if you log off you can likely see it.
i can when i am logged out. so it is there.
i can't imagine it won't work for you.
if you have to know that bad,
try this in the meantime.

ramb

Mermaidia · 06-20-08, 08:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambutan

if you have to know that bad,
try this in the meantime.
ramb

Or you can pop in and out like some people do.

dAlen · 06-20-08, 09:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

the problem is two-fold-
much of the negativity is whispered in chat so no witness, no record.

Again, Im relatively new to the mycotopia forums, but I just wanted to say that chat was pretty cool.

Dont know if this helps, but I know a large conspiracy board (A.T.S.) has a chat and they keep logs so at any time they can go through and see what was said in chat.

And I suppose ISP banning wouldnt really do it either from the sounds of it? - so its to bad this happened.

Suppose I was fortunate in what time I had in chat to see good conversation flowing and no negativity. (Well an off beat comment here or there, but nothing too out there I would say.)

Good meeting a lot of you guys through the chat...suppose I will see you here in the boards. Still waiting for those elusive Hungarians to show up.

Peace

dAlen

prism1234 · 06-20-08, 10:25

Come on folks... Pony up the 25 bux and receive the privileges that that membership provides.... 1 good grow and that covers the costs of membership in spades. The fast and friendly knowledge that chat provides is worth the 4-5 gallons of gas IMO... Hell, the access to Danky's knowledge alone is worth that much

.

cleanjar · 06-20-08, 11:59

hm, well that is unfortunate that the chats down.
i dunno hip, just a suggestion,
'vip' makes members feel somewhat un-special to see up top.
we are all very important people here!
maybe 'limited access chat'.
one of those other sites (s-talk)
had a 'vip' chat.
it is still named that probably,
but it was suggested to configure the board index to hide it from
the folks who could not access the forum.
at the same time it was also suggested to hide the 'vip' lounge forum
from members who are not very important from seeing
a forum that they are not considered important enough to access.
kinda like the staff here must have their own forum to discuss things,
but only the staff can see it..
just my thoughts
and i only had time to read the first page of this topic,
so maybe something else is going on that i missed

Hippie3 · 06-20-08, 12:14

i don't hide it because i want folks to know about it so they too can become vip members.

mydarling · 06-20-08, 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambutan

clem, if you log off you can likely see it.
i can when i am logged out. so it is there.
i can't imagine it won't work for you.
if you have to know that bad,
try this in the meantime.

ramb

i didn't mean to come off as a chatuserlist-junkie. but thanks for the tip

CoyoteMesc · 06-20-08, 14:47

you didnt md,
and you're not the only one with the issue. Its good that peeps let us know of issues with the site. If it wasn't for those folks some kinks here and there may go unnoticed

Its good you know how to use the features. Many folks never knew about the list because they would log in and then log right back out just to see who is in there...lol while others I know love that list cause they only come in chat while their friends are active in chat.

Hippie3 · 06-20-08, 18:21

update- fixed.

Zen · 06-21-08, 07:31

Quote:

Chat was not made VIP to earn the board money. The board is able to support itself despite this small increase in donations.

Before you try and bash us for the decisions we've made regarding our site please make sure to read the posts in reference to the problem.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/rabbit-h...ed-access.html

Chat was becoming very unmanageable and people were using it as a dumping ground to trash talk others, vendors, sponsors, etc. We cannot always be there to moderate and enforce board policy.

Making it a "paid" feature will make it less likely that others will continue to use it in such a manner.

Also, please keep in mind that EVERY feature of this site, including the site itself, exists because many people have worked very hard to make it that way. We do have the right to change, modify, or otherwise remove any feature we choose, for any reason we choose, and at any time.

The admins and moderators do everything they can to make topia a friendly and fun-loving atmosphere - changes need to be made at times to prove a point or to enforce board policy - both of which serve to keep this a positive community.

Peace and Love...

Zen
Mycotopia

zen@mycotopia.net
http://www.mycotopia.net

Quote:

-----Original Message-----
From: ** edited **
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 1:32 AM
To: webmaster@mycotopia.net
Subject: Mycotopia Web Forums Contact Us Form - Site Feedback

The following message was sent to you via the Mycotopia Web Forums Contact Us form by ** edited **.

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Hello there,

I understand that VIPs (donors) should receive benefits above browsers, but to totally cut off people from chat just because they have not donated seems a bit suicidal. Eh?

Cuttin off yer nose to spite yer face? Is the Mycotopia store not making enough?

** edited ** just wonderin WTF? (Rarely is there any more than ten in chat... You start charging and that number can go nowhere but down.)

Later,
** edited **

Not leaving yet but quite close

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Referring Page: http://forums.mycotopia.net/front-pa...ial-privs.html (new VIP usergroup : special privs)
User Name: ** edited **
User ID: ** edited **

Hippie3 · 06-21-08, 08:42

pretty typical of the type of complainer i've seen so far-
a guy who barely posts [ i looked up his profile - 21 posts in a year ]
and almost all of his posts are in just one thread.
very little participation here,
no support nor gratitude for what he was given freely.
but he thinks he has a right to bitch and demand free access.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

When you have given nothing, ask for nothing.

farewell to such fair-weather friends,
let them leave- they will not even be noticed.
and
like the man said
chat averages about 10 members,
nearly all of those are a habitual crowd of regulars.
that's out of some 3000+ members here.
this means only a very tiny percentage
of our members ever chatted even when it was free.
so i tend to doubt any claim
that imposing a small one-time fee for chat access
will means the demise of Topia.

Zen · 06-21-08, 23:36

A little harsh perhaps, but hopefully the above quoted post will help others understand why we made the decision we did. Not that we have to explain our actions per se, but rather in response to all the feedback we've been getting maybe it'll soften the blow.

VIP access is a fairly low-cost subscription, but banking on the fact that most will not abuse a service they've paid money to utilize.

Just trying to keep the peace -

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06-14-08, 23:19	#109 (permalink)
BillyJack BillyJack Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 155	Hi, I just donated for VIP access tonight. How long might it take for the changes to go through? Thanks __________________ A Hammer Will Fix It. - BillyJack Johnson Jr. XIII

06-14-08, 23:21	#110 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	look at your nym... __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-14-08, 23:22	#111 (permalink)
BillyJack BillyJack Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 155	Sweet! __________________ A Hammer Will Fix It. - BillyJack Johnson Jr. XIII

06-15-08, 08:41	#113 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	__________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-14-08, 09:02	#103 (permalink)
zombiewoof Mycophiliac Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 8	I had just messaged you about my inability to enter chat before finding this thread. So much here for a newbie like myself to find and consider. Your community and wealth of information is well worth the investment of time, money and energy to support. It's hard for me to even imagine people coming here for negative /destructive ends but I'm sure it happens if you say so. I'll donate shortly. Thanks for all the effort, it shows.

06-14-08, 17:33	#106 (permalink)
Sm0OthSkiLLz Former Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 7	wtf man i dont post things on the forums and thats where i like to talk with people at come on.....

06-14-08, 17:43	#107 (permalink)
whatchamacallit Mycophiliac Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 27	Guess I need to send ya $25... Wanted to chat from bonnaroo, but I haven't been around much as of late, due to festival season.. Anyways, much love to all my regular friends from chat, I'll party it up for all of you here at roo, and I'll send in my $25 when I get back home!!

06-15-08, 00:17	#112 (permalink)
Yale Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 93	I am not sure if I agree with the methods employed to block access to the chat, but that is only because I never experienced the trolling. If everyone else says that it's been bad then I'm sure it is for the best. I am also aware that this is a privately owned site, so I respect the freedom of the owner do to what ever he goddamn pleases as long as it is within the realm of legality ( I mean that sincerely ) After thinking the matter through thoroughly I have decided to donate towards Mycotopia. I figure I have dropped more on pointless video game that never taught me anything so why not help a cause that has provided me with much knowledge and great conversation.

06-15-08, 15:39	#114 (permalink)
MurCurY I.Know.All Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 814	poop....when i get home from dinner....you got something coming to you....

06-19-08, 18:01	#115 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	? __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-19-08, 18:11	#116 (permalink)
mydarling narf Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 355	any updates regarding the chat userlist being added back to the homepage for non-mods? __________________ tonight your ghost will ask my ghost, who put these bodies between us?

06-19-08, 18:17	#117 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	do you see an update ? it is there, it was not taken away. but it's an issue of permissions, i guess, and it's not very important, to be honest. we'll see what can be done but you should not hold your breath as you wait. you''d turn blue... __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-19-08, 18:19	#118 (permalink)
mydarling narf Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 355	no, thats why i was asking if you were working on anything we hadn't heard about yet. i didn't think it would hurt to ask. __________________ tonight your ghost will ask my ghost, who put these bodies between us?

06-19-08, 18:23	#119 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	rest assured when it's fixed you'll know. __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-20-08, 10:25	#123 (permalink)
prism1234 Running from My Mycelium Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,331	Come on folks... Pony up the 25 bux and receive the privileges that that membership provides.... 1 good grow and that covers the costs of membership in spades. The fast and friendly knowledge that chat provides is worth the 4-5 gallons of gas IMO... Hell, the access to Danky's knowledge alone is worth that much. __________________ No matter how pretty the fire is, dont touch it!

06-20-08, 11:59	#124 (permalink)
cleanjar Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1971 Posts: 1,022	hm, well that is unfortunate that the chats down. i dunno hip, just a suggestion, 'vip' makes members feel somewhat un-special to see up top. we are all very important people here! maybe 'limited access chat'. one of those other sites (s-talk) had a 'vip' chat. it is still named that probably, but it was suggested to configure the board index to hide it from the folks who could not access the forum. at the same time it was also suggested to hide the 'vip' lounge forum from members who are not very important from seeing a forum that they are not considered important enough to access. kinda like the staff here must have their own forum to discuss things, but only the staff can see it.. just my thoughts and i only had time to read the first page of this topic, so maybe something else is going on that i missed

06-20-08, 12:14	#125 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	i don't hide it because i want folks to know about it so they too can become vip members. __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-20-08, 14:47	#127 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc Howling Mad Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,092	you didnt md, and you're not the only one with the issue. Its good that peeps let us know of issues with the site. If it wasn't for those folks some kinks here and there may go unnoticed Its good you know how to use the features. Many folks never knew about the list because they would log in and then log right back out just to see who is in there...lol while others I know love that list cause they only come in chat while their friends are active in chat. __________________ "well, since you asked so very fuckin' nicely, sure!" ~H3

06-20-08, 18:21	#128 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 34,831	update- fixed. __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-21-08, 23:36	#131 (permalink)
Zen Myco Kung-Fu Master Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 895	A little harsh perhaps, but hopefully the above quoted post will help others understand why we made the decision we did. Not that we have to explain our actions per se, but rather in response to all the feedback we've been getting maybe it'll soften the blow. VIP access is a fairly low-cost subscription, but banking on the fact that most will not abuse a service they've paid money to utilize. Just trying to keep the peace -
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