Israel Making Plans for Iran

[SharkieJones]

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer 50 minutes ago

A top Iranian Revolutionary Guards commander said Tuesday that Israel would be Iran's first retaliatory target in response to any U.S. attack.

"We have announced that whenever America does make any mischief, the first place we target will be Israel," the Iranian Student News Agency quoted Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani as saying.

Dehghani, a top commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards, also said Israel was not prepared to go war against Iran.

"We will definitely resist...U.S. B-52 (bombers)," Dehghani also was quoted as saying.

President Bush has said a military option remained on the table if Iran did not agree to international demands for it to stop enriching uranium. The American leader has said, however, that Washington wanted to solve the dispute over the Iranian nuclear program through diplomacy.

I have to say that things in the middle east are coming to a head. These Irananians are crazy.

[Beastmaster]

I think that if Iran wants to effectively defend themselves from an incoming invasion of American Military forces, sending the iranian military to Israel would not be the best defensive option. It sounds like a scary threat, but if I was being attacked by the most powerful military on the planet, I think I'd rather keep my military around for defensive capabilities rather than removing them from harms way... Iran's gonna get their arses kicked and kicked hard.

And Israel doesn't need to be prepared to go to war with iran, they have enough american nukes to take care of themselves, not to mention US having thier backs.

[hogwild]

iranians are gnarly, its official. I hope we dont have to result to more violence to solve these matters.

[sexonaplate]

I think U.S. military is stretched pretty thin as it is... I'd like to see them try and take on yet another country

[TVCasualty]

Remember the good old days? You know, the Cold War? Not the actual brink of WW III we're at now...

It's not so surprising that Iran would go after Israel, especially after doing a little reading about the long term dynamics of the area and the troubling unanswered questions about 9-11. Israel might even start the show, hitting the nuke facility as they have done before. So Iran responds against Israel, and guess who's troops are in between? Nice deal for Israel.
With Bolivia nationalizing their countries' natural gas operations yesterday, it's looking worrisome to the south as well. Gone are the days when the US was a lone superpower able to push small countries around. Well, "going" maybe if not yet "gone."

[Bromius]

I believe Iran that has missiles that can reach Israel, correct? These wouldn't have to be nuclear missiles to cause some destruction. I would imagine that have at least some chem and bio agents at their disposal.

I really hope they can come to some kind of agreement on this, because if it comes down to use of force, both sides will lose. Iran will be rubble and the US will have its share of casualties plus massive debt.

On a somewhat different note, does anybody know if a nuclear bomb was detonated, if it would be possible to trace its origins based on like an isotope profile or something? Nuclear weapons are a great deterrant. I think we should let them do what they want and make it very clear that if they do build a nuke and it gets used on us, that they'd better have a few million gallons of some SPF 500000 sunblock laying around.

[SharkieJones]

Doesn't Coppertone make an spf500000?

[srgtm1a]

I don't see why we waste so much time on the middle east....no matter what we do, diplomatic or other, they will still hate us...


simple solution:

couple A-Bombs for Iraq

Couple A-Bombs for afghan

Couple A-bombs for Iran

Enough with the threats from them. It'll save us money and soldiers. Lol, maybe not money...we have a habit of blowing the shit out of countries and then giving them money to rebuild...

[OmBudsMan]

Hmmm... i doubt Iran has nearly the capabilities nor the organization to carry out such a strike if US decided to resort to military action. And for Irans sake, I would hope they don't even BEGIN to think about nuclear weapons cause if they launch one... well...US has about 1200 nuclear warheads laying around doing nothing. They would get sent back to the stone ages.

These actions would certanly cause not only a war between the West and Middle East(btw, where do Russia and China stand on all this or would they be a side of their own?)...but this would translate into a religious war as well.

Iran isn't a threat to us, just like Vietnam was never a threat to us. They told us that Vietnam would endanger our country with communism. Lotta people died for that. Then they told us that Iraq had WMD- more bullshit. Iraq was a far better run country and not as "third world" as Iran...and they never fucked with us. Iran just wants weapons like any country. Until one of them sets foot on OUR SOIL, I could give a shit.

Most of the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, but nobody cares about that... This is just more fear propaganda from the Bush-Whacker. Everytime his poll ratings drop, we bomb somebody else. You think this is a coincidence? Convince us all that Iran is a major threat, then bomb them, then all the stupid sheep love Bush again. It's so fucking stupid I can't believe it.

Iran. Yeah right. Talk to me when China starts fucking with us.

[SharkieJones]

I'm sure a nuclear response from US to Iran would bring Russia into the picture. Arent they bordering Iran somewhere? Also Russia always seems to side with these fundamentalist countries all the time. So does China for that matter.

[Hippie3]

i doubt either russia or china would go to nuclear war with the usa
just to save iran,
which cannot be saved
if we nuke it.
i doubt anyone will stand up for iran
any more than they stood up for saddam.

Hell no Russia or China wouldn't go to war with us!!! That's just silly. Russia may "side with them" politically, but to go to war with the U.S. would be ignorant on so many levels. Nobody really likes war.

As far as China goes-- most of our shit is manufactured there and we do a great deal for their economy and they for ours. In principal, they are communists, but that doesn't mean shit. Business is business and they are our biggest business partners. We're opening Wal-Marts and, now, Starbucks in China. These countries always seem to side with Iran or whatever, but they aren't going to step up and make enemies with us out of the deal.

This Iran thing is just another one of hundreds of lies the Bush admin has forced down our throat. Most of the world was against our invasion of Iraq (rightfully so- since they never did a fucking thing to us), but like Hippie said, nobody stepped forward to challenge our military.

So just sit back, relax, and watch George Bush start another unnecessary war with people who are too far away to fuck with us. It should be a nice couple of years for TV.

[Bromius]

Why would China or Russia get involved. They aren't directly threatened by Iran... well, I don't know how Iranians feel about the situation in Chechenya. In the end though Irans hatred for the US and Israel seems to trump whatever resentment they may have towards Russia for its treatment of Muslims in Chechenya.

It makes sense for them to sit back and let us do the dirty work because it seems we are always more than willing. Why waste your money on a huge defense (offense?) budget when somebody else is already dying to (pun intended).

[Hippie3]

actually if iran puts a nuke on its' ballistic missiles
much of both russia and china would be within range,
meaning they are indeed 'threatened'.

[Mikester1989]

welll US and Russia both have 2500 Nukes that are on a launch when ready basis... thats a shit load of nukes.. but i did hear that Russia is not supportive of the United States.. if you ask me this could possibly trigger WW3.. but i hope we can do this without using Nuclear Weapons... but if we do.. im gonna go hide in the desert.


but personally, i think something will be happening between Iran and Isreal soon, then we will have to get involved.. but the real question is.. who else is gonna get involved? and which sides will they take... only time will tell

rude rant removed
-admin

Was the entire thing that rude? I didn't personally attack anyone in particular (except the president, who I still maintain is a scumbag liar). What was the problem? What is the purpose of having a "forum" if we can't discuss and debate? It's a so-called forum where only certain opinions are allowed?

I think it would have been more appropriate to PM me or post what the problem with my post was. Of course, this is just my opinion and probably means it will be deleted again.

[Japanster]

The reason people cry about expensive gas is because everyone has to buy it. The coorelation you made between gas and coffee or weed is viable because weed and coffee aren't necessities.

[Mikester1989]

yeah im not saying that US hleping Isreal is the best thing to do ..but im not the one running the country... and you know its going to happen none the less

[Hippie3]

babaloo
you need to tone down your anger
before posting here.
show some respect for the views of those
who disagree with your position.
maintain civility and a polite discourse will ensue.
rants of rage can be posted elsewhere,
i don't like the injection of political partisan rancor
and bitterness
into our nice peaceful forums.

I didn't think I was disagreeing with anyone here...or disrespecting them. As far as anger goes- yeah, I'm angry...but not with anyone on this forum. I am angry at our government.

I never attacked anyone. I directed one comment to Mikester and I just asked him why we needed to be involved at all. I didn't say, "Mikester, you are an idiot, we don't need to be involved in Israel."

I was posing a question in the Socratic method about politics. Who was I disagreeing with exactly? George Bush's war policy? It's kind of ironic that you call my anti-war "rant" an injection of bitterness into the peaceful forums, doncha think? Peace is exactly what I want and peace is what I was ranting about. This nation's love of gasoline causes wars, apparently.

Japanster- I understand your point, but I was really making a reference to inflation. I realize that weed or coffee isn't a necessity, but it's the correlation of inflation that I was referring to. It just ticks me off when I see people complain about $3 gasoline, but the same people buy weed. That's what I meant.

[Hippie3]

terms used by you
like morons and stupid, crybabies, etc.
are inherently offensive.

you offended me,
and that's good enough.

realize that not everyone agrees with you
and yet
that does not automatically mean
that they're moronic fucking crybabies, etc.

and speaking like that
to people
is not the road to peace.

[Spark]

send the troops

Originally Posted by Hippie3

terms used by you
like morons and stupid, crybabies, etc.
are inherently offensive.
you offended me,
and that's good enough.

But... Those terms weren't directed at the good people of mycotopia. Unless, of course, there are some crybabies here. If there are, I didn't know it. Now I know. I also realize now that I should stay out of political conversations, because calling George Bush a moron is a no-no here at mycotopia, even though most of the United States seems to agree that he is.

Can I call Bush a moron, Hippie? Is that allowed? I really don't know how else to describe him. And if I can call him a moron, why can't I call other people morons?

[TVCasualty]

Russia is funding/building the nuclear facility in Iran. This is an important detail to remember.

Striking it is striking Russian assets, not Iranian. Looks a bit like the proxy war formula from the cold war, but different.

US arrogance about its military is going to get us screwed. The days are over when we could casually sit back and assume anyone who fucks with us can be dealt with at the push of a button, unless it is the nuclear button in which case it's Game Over for everyone. We can strafe local populations from the air all day long, but we can't control shit on the ground, in one country much less two, or three, or four (whatever happened to North Korea?). Or even our own; Katrina, anyone?

America has lost its moral standing in the world, and people are not taking it anymore. Nor should they, at least looking at it from their perspective, which is borderline treasonous but is exactly how Americans would feel/act if roles were reversed. It's coming down to "we want it, they want it too, there's not enough of it, lets take it even if we have to kill them" and deep inside many of us know that but don't want to think about it. That's why it's so easy to just say 'let's bomb 'em.' That, and knowing someone else will go mop up the blood (My hands are clean...). At some abstract level we know "they" are people, but their desire for more out of life directly threatens my ability to have a George Foreman grill and quiet golf games and a sweet little GPS system in my gas sucking behemoth while the kids play Xbox in the back.

We reap what we sow. Harvest time is not far off, at least that's how it looks from where I sit. If there isn't an explosion of consciousness and awareness very soon, there will be an implosion of consciousness and awareness and we'll get to test our ideas about stockpiling food and guns.

Some perspectives:
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/downing.php?articleid=8921

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Descripti...&Cat=9&Num=023

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8914

especially this one:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

This looks like the real reason for current events; selling oil in non-US currencies, something we cannot allow (just ask Saddam):
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col.../79385-greed-0

Well said TV... You are absolutely correct. Except...my hands don't feel clean.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by babaloo

But... Those terms weren't directed at the good people of mycotopia. Unless, of course, there are some crybabies here. If there are, I didn't know it. Now I know. I also realize now that I should stay out of political conversations, because calling George Bush a moron is a no-no here at mycotopia, even though most of the United States seems to agree that he is.

Can I call Bush a moron, Hippie? Is that allowed? I really don't know how else to describe him. And if I can call him a moron, why can't I call other people morons?

i don't think calling anyone a moron
is constructive.

in fact to me
someone who has trouble finding better words
with which to express themselves
in the one with their intelligence in doubt...

and i also happen to think
i made myself
pretty damn clear.

[OmBudsMan]

well damn, hip....lol...looks like it didn't take you long to go through with your warning. ehhh, *shrug*... you gotta do what you gotta do.

back to the issue at hand...

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

Russia is funding/building the nuclear facility in Iran. This is an important detail to remember.

Striking it is striking Russian assets, not Iranian. Looks a bit like the proxy war formula from the cold war, but different.

That's why I kind of brought up the idea of their stance. Their interests lay in both parties. As far as China, the thing about them is that they are growing quite fast economically and although they are a huge partner of ours...lets face it...they too need oil to be able to carry out some of the massive production that they've been able to do thus far. And since US is far less favored than China to Iran, who do you think would get more oil if it came down to it? Again, China has interests with both parties. My guess is that both Russia and China will play both sides in a sense that they will comply with both US and Iran to a degree....but nothing concrete or directly in favor. Just enough to satisfy their own needs.

[Hippie3]

well, after i posted this warning
i found more bs from him
in his meth thread
posted some 2 hours
after his 1st reprimand for rudeness
so i figured
fuggit, why waste more time ?

[anticheffy]

[pskovinsky]

It just popped on up AP news:

UNITED NATIONS - The Iranian military on Wednesday rejected a statement from a top Revolutionary Guards commander that
Israel would be
Iran's first target in response to any U.S. attack, an Iranian news agency reported.

<SNIP>

"Mr. Dehghani was the spokesman of a military maneuver which ended on April 8, and his statement is his personal view and has no validity as far as the Iranian military officials are concerned," Afshar was quoted as saying.

Interesting, someone must have pointed out that attacking israel is a good way to get nuked.


I was just talking about this with my dad, and it seems to both of us that attacking israel is even more suicidal then not abandoning the nuke building bit, Israel would be more then happy to wipe Iran off the face of the map, if they thought they could get away with it.

[SharkieJones]

If they could get away with stealing a country they could get away with nuking Iran.

[elhongo]

It would seem Israel is near some of the Isalmic brothers, so I doubt they would nuke them...That leaves what? biological/chemical? As for nuking them from my standpoint... I can't forget that damn hostage crisis. Chinese can extract their oil in HazMat suits for all I care. Don't let them push the U.S. around. Hey, let France nuke em if it must be done someday.

[Master_Shake]

[Hippie3]

Russia is funding/building the nuclear facility in Iran. This is an important detail to remember.

Striking it is striking Russian assets, not Iranian.

this is not accurate.
russia is being paid as a contractor to build the reactor,
it does not 'own' it
and thus it's not a 'russian asset' at all.

[TVCasualty]

Russia's role does put them in the middle of this, so if not exactly an asset in the ownership sense the reactor is at the least a Russian political asset, and that's even better than owning it outright in this case. Either way they have a significant interest in the construction and security of the facility and probably don't want to see their own contractors get bombed.

[anticheffy]

Like Hip said , Russia is the contractor, not the owner,
what they have to loose is the money they will get paid for building the facilities.

but then again the facilities arent realy a threat till they get completed, by then Russia will have been paid for their work and I'm thinking their possition will change more that just a bit.

[Hippie3]

undoubtedly IF we target iran for strikes
the entire world , including russia,
will see it coming well in advance
and presumably they would remove
their personnel,
just as they did in iraq.

[mushit]

I am a child of the sixties. Just like the wars from that time and like the wars of now, "bring the boys home!" Who needs this shit!!

[Hippie3]

we are now a planetary culture,
'home' is everywhere.
what happens in the backwaters of rural pakistan
directly affects my daily life,
reflected in the prices i pay for everything.
there is no turning our back,
no burying our head in the sand now,
for the first time in human history
we are now all one planet,
i can see on my tv screen what's happening
in downtown baghdad,
and they can see what's happening in LA and DC, etc.
global integration is only going to accelerate,
barring some major disaster like
nuclear war or a global pandemic, etc.
even those would just be temporary obstacles
in a process that has been unfolding for
at least the last 5,000 years.

[cherkropper]

If we bring the boys home and take an isolationist stance it would make many people happy in the U.S. and in the rest of the world BUT radical Islam would continue to grow unabated and we will have to face the bigger monster one day.

[Hippie3]

i do truly wish
this had never happened
and that a better way
would work out for all.

one can only take a long view
on history as it's unfolding
and hope for the best.

i think it's safe to say
that anyone taking a good hard look
at what's going on in the world
must conclude that matters will only
get worse over the next several years
as ever increasing populations place
even more stress on a planet already
choking to death in wastes.

[cherkropper]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

matters will only
get worse over the next several years
as ever increasing populations place
even more stress on a planet already
choking to death in wastes.

True - but who is going to stop this crazy machine that generates the waste choking the planet? I don't think I'm ready to walk to work.

[Hippie3]

who is going to stop this crazy machine that generates the waste choking the planet?

no one.
unless/until god or et
decides to get involved.

just be glad you won't have to live
thru the entire process.

[cherkropper]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

just be glad you won't have to live
thru the entire process.

I'm a survivor. Someone has to be here to turn out the lights when it's over and it might as well be me.

[Hippie3]

inshallah.

[arabic expression ='If Allah wills']

[cherkropper]

If the good Lord wills it and the creek don't rise.

[TVCasualty]

I'm all in favor of the creek rising, as I have learned how to paddle. A raging torrent looks like death and chaos to some, a roaring but orderly flow full of play spots to others. It's time to learn how to surf chaos. This post is intended to be interpreted on multiple levels, one of which is in fact relevant to this thread.
Another relevant lesson from whitewater; Don't stare at the rock you don't want to hit- focus on the way around it. All we see in mainstream media is oil worries..where we gonna get it next, how long it gonna last, who controls it, etc. Well, I don't want any oil and neither do you. We're staring at the rock. What I want is mobility, a warm home, fresh baked bread, that type of thing. I do NOT want barrels of stinking black goo. Amory Lovins made that point in one of his latest books. Let's turn away from the deer-in-headlights stupor of worrying about Peak Oil and instead look for the way around it.

Let us also be sure the way around it doesn't funnel us into an even bigger rock, like tons of radioactive waste piling up with nowhere safe to put it.

[marsofold]

What pisses me off most about the Iraq war was that we needlessly spent 500 billion dollars on it. No WMDs. With another 500 billion to come. A TRILLION dollars that are gonna come out of my social security money. And now that we need to deal with Iran, we just can't afford it. We blew our wad on Iraq when the real threat was Iran. So now we just watch and wait while they thumb their noses at the UN and enrich their uranium. Miscalculations like that get CEOs fired. We're stuck with ours for 2-1/2 more years. I can hardly wait to vote this fall. I'll only need to pull one lever...

[TVCasualty]

We should've just bought Iraq's oil at retail. Would've been cheaper and no one really cared about the people anyway (Darfur anyone?).