mushroom church?

[srgtm1a]

"Why not? You might want to look up the definition of "pastor"."

Ok....I'll give you a few:

a person authorized to conduct religious worship; "clergymen are usually called ministers in Protestant churches"

A pastor is the head minister or priest of a Christian church. Pastor comes from the Greek word "poimen" (Strong’s 4166) meaning shepherd

a priest appointed by a bishop to attend to the pastoral care of one or more parishes.


lol, yep...using that word isn't trying to convey anything about religion. I guess calling people associated with him "worshipers" has nothing to do with religion either?


"Production, shipping, operation of a hotel, where various events took place, food for him and his family etc."

I wonder if Pablo escobar used his "donations" for the same purposes...hmmm....too late to ask him I guess. Most people get what is called a "job".....it's crazy...i know.


"You are wrong. Re-ligion means re-alignment, to god, to nature. That's exactly what you can practice in symbiosis with the mushroom."

hmmm...let me help ya with that one too:

Religion

a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

Religion—sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief.

a set of attitudes, beliefs, and practices pertaining to supernatural power.


"Please inform yourself, e.g. on the SMCS website, before insulting people without reason."

why? is there a step by step tutorial as to how to become an internet drug dealer? If so...I'm totally there. I wonder if the sacred-cocaine-church.ch domain is taken yet. If not, perhaps you would like to go into business...I mean become one of my pastors. I already know hundreds of worshipers personally!

[becs]

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

Pastor comes from the Greek word "poimen" (Strong’s 4166) meaning shepherd

Fits, doesn't it? He cares for his community.

lol, yep...using that word isn't trying to convey anything about religion. I guess calling people associated with him "worshipers" has nothing to do with religion either?

The "worshipers" are associated with the mushroom in the first place. And yes, it has to do with religion, that's what I try to explain.

Religion

a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

Religion—sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief.

a set of attitudes, beliefs, and practices pertaining to supernatural power.

Many words have multiple meanings, developed over time. I already told you the one used by the SMCS.

"Please inform yourself, e.g. on the SMCS website, before insulting people without reason."

why? is there a step by step tutorial as to how to become an internet drug dealer? If so...I'm totally there.

You are so funny.

You don't have a clue, just trying to put down something you don't understand.

Either get some facts and argue, or shut up.

[srgtm1a]

LMFAO...after reading that.....that is funny....first you say it's not really a religion...now you say it is a religion....which one is it?....you can only choose one. I think you've contradicted yourself enough as is.

Dumbass kids may buy into this bullshit, but anyone with half a brain cell can easily see it as a facade for being a drug dealer, nothing more.....the fact that you try to defend that (doing a poor job at that) is halarious.

He's not a real church or has anything to do with religion, yet uses every term associated with religion. All done to try to send drugs to people for a profit...nothing more.

hmmmm....my church never had mandatory donations for sacrament....lol

"Either get some facts and argue, or shut up."

He's in jail for selling drugs....is there any other facts I should look into? lmfao.

[becs]

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

LMFAO...after reading that.....that is funny....first you say it's not really a religion...now you say it is a religion....which one is it?....you can only choose one. I think you've contradicted yourself enough as is.

O.K., now I get your point. I said, it's not an organized religion, meaning no strict rules, no dogmata, no hierarchical management etc. Sorry, if this wasn't clear.

He's not a real church or has anything to do with religion, yet uses every term associated with religion. All done to try to send drugs to people for a profit...nothing more.

You need to look into the definitions of the words, that's right. There is no relationship to churches or religions as known nowadays. Even so, the words have been chosen wisely.

[becs]

Your post-editing makes the discussion a bit difficult for me, but that's alright.

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

"Either get some facts and argue, or shut up."

He's in jail for selling drugs....is there any other facts I should look into? lmfao.

So you think, the laws put in place by the authorities, trying to forbid psilocybin-containing mushrooms are righteous and reasonable? That's kind of surprising to read from somebody, active in a forum like this...

[Bobcat]

"a set of attitudes, beliefs, and practices pertaining to supernatural power."

While there may be several textbook definitions of a word, the accepted use of a word trumps all that (accepted version of definition, that is). Generally, in the english language, religion as a word is used to infer the above quoted definition.

The key words here are "A set of". Religion may be used interchangeably with faith by some, but that use is wrong. Belief and worship in God is faith. Belief in Jesus is faith. Belief in Allah is faith. Being a Catholic, Morman, Orthodox Jew or Fundamentalist Islam is religion- as they follow A SET OF rules/beliefs/morals/norms and what-have-yous.

While a religion doesn't necessarily need hierarchical management to be a religion, there does need to be a set of rules and some associated dogma. That is, it should be organized to some extent. Without this it is faith. The idea of an unorganized religion would be an oxymoron.

Typically, it would be very hard for a religion to maintain relevance and continuity (meaning it staying a true religion) without some form of management.

Not trying to get involved here, but just wanted to offer that to your discussion.

[Bobcat]

And be kind.

[becs]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

"a set of attitudes, beliefs, and practices pertaining to supernatural power."

While there may be several textbook definitions of a word, the accepted use of a word trumps all that (accepted version of definition, that is). Generally, in the english language, religion as a word is used to infer the above quoted definition.

Generelly, yes, but I think it's correct to refer to the original meaning of a word, if this is clearly stated.

Anyway, the above definiton would also work, I guess:

define (
   attitudes = empty set,
    beliefs = empty set,
    practices = "eating the holy mushroom",
);

[srgtm1a]

Regardless of what the word "religion" means to you.....the guy is using terms directly associated with religion and using religion to mask the fact that he is a drug dealer...simple as that, don't try to explain it by playing on definitions of the word. First you were all for looking up the definitions, now trying to explain how he fits to them when they don't come out to what you thought the definition was.....too funny.

You said, and I quote:

as to what he uses the donations for...

"Production, shipping, operation of a hotel, where various events took place, food for him and his family etc."

Now....doesn't a drug dealer use their "donations" for the same things? Basically he uses the money to support himself and his lifestyle.....how is that any different than any other drug dealer? What, because he says there is religion behind it...please.

Yes, I do think he should be in jail for what he did.....he sold drugs over the internet and that is illegal.....the whole religion thing is nothing more than a cover, or loop hole if you will, to sell drugs over the internet without getting into trouble.

If he was truly doing this for the "holy mushrooms" he wouldn't be looking for people to support his lifestyle, he would be sending them out to people at the cost of shipping at most.....and that isn't the case.

Do you think this is the first time someone tried to use Freedom of religion to posses and or sell drugs....come on man....the notion that this guy is doing it for any reason other than profit is ridiculous. It's been done time and time again....always with the same results.

This is nothing more than a drug dealer trying to play the system....and for using religion as a reason.....I think he got what he deserved.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by becs

Your post-editing makes the discussion a bit difficult for me, but that's alright.

So you think, the laws put in place by the authorities, trying to forbid psilocybin-containing mushrooms are righteous and reasonable? That's kind of surprising to read from somebody, active in a forum like this...

So I guess since I'm active in a community like this, I should agree with anyone who does stupid shit.......so long as it's in the name of mushrooms?

Do I agree with the mushroom laws....no....But do I agree with some total fool that thinks he can beat "the man" by using loop holes in the system...hell no.

All because I'm part of something doesn't mean I'll turn a blind eye and follow blindly when someone is doing something totally stupid.....I'm no sheep.

Hell, this guy is all about mushrooms.....everything he does must be right......If I was still 15 I may have agreed with that.

I was raised catholic...I guess I should defend priest who rape kids too.....you know...since I'm part of it...or was.

Sorry, I'm not going to put some jackass on a pedestal who thinks he can beat the authorities...and do it for his own gains.

He's in jail because he's a drug dealer...and a very dumb one at that. It probably would have saved him some money, webpage costs etc, if he just flew a flag over his house that said "I sell magic mushrooms"

[becs]

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

First you were all for looking up the definitions, now trying to explain how he fits to them when they don't come out to what you thought the definition was.....too funny.

I know, that the common reception of these words is different for most people. Yes, that's a problem. That's why I ask, to look up the exact definitions. Nothing funny about that.

as to what he uses the donations for...

"Production, shipping, operation of a hotel, where various events took place, food for him and his family etc."

Now....doesn't a drug dealer use their "donations" for the same things? Basically he uses the money to support himself and his lifestyle.....how is that any different than any other drug dealer? What, because he says there is religion behind it...please.

No, I don't know of any drug dealers caring for their community or providing spiritual support.

If he was truly doing this for the "holy mushrooms" he wouldn't be looking for people to support his lifestyle, he would be sending them out to people at the cost of shipping at most.....and that isn't the case.

Ah, sure. I bet, he would love to do exactly that, but as you might know, you need some money for a living.

Do you think this is the first time someone tried to use Freedom of religion to posses and or sell drugs....come on man....the notion that this guy is doing it for any reason other than profit is ridiculous. It's been done time and time again....always with the same results.

Yes, this has been tried many times. Why not? I don't have a problem here.

But an important fact is, that the mushrooms are in fact the origin of many religions and are still used in this way.

[becs]

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

Do I agree with the mushroom laws....no....But do I agree with some total fool that thinks he can beat "the man" by using loop holes in the system...hell no.

Even if it was a loop hole -- why not?

Sorry, I'm not going to put some jackass on a pedestal who thinks he can beat the authorities...and do it for his own gains.

You are still wrong in this point. Davids goals are in no way financially orientated. But this is a thing, I can impossibly convince you of.

Either you find out yourself by engaging in this topic or you stick with your belief. But as long as you didn't invest at least a little time in this issue, I would suggest to hold back with your offending public utterances.

[srgtm1a]

"Even if it was a loop hole -- why not?"

It is a loop hole, you know it's a loop hole, so please stop trying to defend it as anything other. Now you are basically saying on the "slight chance" that he was trying to use a loop hole...why not do it.... Thank you for proving my point. lol

Save the bullshit for someone dumb enough to believe it. Obviously the feds didn't.

"But as long as you didn't invest at least a little time in this issue, I would suggest to hold back with your offending public utterances."

invest time in the issue? I think I did plenty of that in this thread. I'm sorry I dropped the truth bomb on his bullshit. I didn't mean to take the bullshit out of his sails. I'm sure you didn't expect someone to call bullshit on a site of people who enjoy mushrooms. I apologize for making you contradict yourself over and over again. Perhaps you expected the stereotypical stoner response to his jailing.....here goes:

bummer man, screw the man....man.....oh....yeah, screw corporations too. This guy is a hero for mushrooms.

Your loop hole comment above pretty much proved everything I've been saying....it's utter bullshit, and you know it.....now you start with the "even if that is the case" comments.....weak dude.

To answer your "why not" question.....simple.....because you'd have to be a fuckn' moron to think you'd pull that off.....as well as being offensive to people who are actually religious.

lmao...Dave's goals are in no way financially oriented....lol he only uses the donations to support himself and his lifestyle.....you've got to be kidding me. His goals are no more financially oriented as his plan wasn't to use religion as a loop hole to sell drugs. I'm sorry, but your argument in his defense is totally weak at best. I don't think you really believe your own statements. This being showed by the "even if" statements.

I'm sure he'll be able to spread the word of the holy mushrooms in jail...he'll be there for quite some time. Prison is just a slower form of Darwinism....he'll fit in perfectly.

[manjotar]

the mushrooms he was selling in those pictures didn't look too impressive either...lol

[Hippie3]

he would love to do exactly that, but as you might know, you need some money for a living.

here's a novel idea-
he could have
gotten a fucking job!

now he is still a burden on society,
except instead of fleecing his flock in church
he's fleecing the taxpayers
in prison.
rule #1
never trust a preacher with a hard-on...

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

rule #1
never trust a preacher with a hard-on...

C'mon now...he has a job....he's a pastor of a chur.....oh wait....there is no church.....hmmmmmm......

It's not a religion....but it is a religion....just not an organized one.......oxymoron on that one, I need to rethink that.....hmmmm....

He takes donations.....but donations that you have to give.....so technically not a donation at all.....hmmmm......

I guess it all makes perfect sense now.

lol...yep, good points becs. This guy is all about mushrooms and not profit.....I was blind before...but now I see.


FREE HUEY!!!!!!!

[Bobcat]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

rule #1
never trust a preacher with a hard-on...

To be frank, Srgtm1a, I don't care who says what or who is right or anything at all about this thread. I just read it and tried to help with an issue surrounding the operational definition of a word that was being misapplied by both sides. I was not defending any side.

And Becs, the definition is not a simple this or this or this explanation. It is a this AND this AND this explanation. Its not just 'practices'; eating mushrooms is no more a religion than drinking milk or jacking off with your left hand. (although there may be something to that last one!)

Lastly, I hope this thread does not thwart anyones ideas of using such things as mushrooms as a tool for their faith. They would really be missing out.

Peace.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

To be frank, Srgtm1a, I don't care who says what or who is right or anything at all about this thread. I just read it and tried to help with an issue surrounding the operational definition of a word that was being misapplied by both sides. I was not defending any side.

Peace.

When did I say that you were defending any side or taking a side? I didn't reply to your message....only becs.

I am only stating my opinion that what he is doing is total bullshit and trying to manipulate the system. Not a matter of who is right or wrong, I just backed my opinions in the argument....didn't have anything to do with what you posted. He had asked me to look up the definition of pastor...so I did that for him which was not misapplied in any way.

This has nothing to do with definitions of a word....has everything to do with someone using religion as a loop hole to sell drugs. Nothing wrong with using mushrooms spiritually. Trying to sell them with the facade of religion is what I have a problem with.

[Strawgiant]

This thread is dangerous,someone may get themselves in alot of trouble trying to procure illegal drugs through the net,if you think you are annonymous on the internet you are not, and it is a known fact the US goverment has used the internet to "bust" people with similar tactics.Hopefully readers here are smart enough to heed the warnings from every skeptical and suspisious person in this thread...because their suspitions are well founded and they could save you from making a mistake that could land you in a very shity situation.A reputable insitution dose not encourage its patrons to do something that will likely get them into a load of trouble...period.

[srgtm1a]

I highly doubt anyone is as dumb as pastor dave to do this.....
There are other religions like the church of weed etc...only differences, they don't sell drugs on the net.....they sell memberships hehe, but nothing illegal about that. See....smart way vs. dumb way.


Most countries of the world allow for freedom of religion without persecution. This is where pastor dumb ass got his great idea.......


THE THOUGHTS OF A FOOL:

They cannot prosecute me based on my religion......so if I worship mushrooms, they can't arrest me for selling them or possessing them.....that would be taking away my religious freedom.

there really isn't anything more to it than that.

at least that would be his theory behind it, or something very similar.....only reality is sometimes nothing like theory, and people with half a mind can tell what he is trying to do. Which is why he is making nice with bubba right now. Courts do not look kindly on people who try to play the system.

There is no play on the definitions of the terms he uses or how people define them....that is the exact reason he did it right there.....trying to use religious freedoms to bypass the system, and to make a profit on top of that. To anyone who is religious or do use mushrooms spiritually....this is an insult.

[becs]

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

"Even if it was a loop hole -- why not?"

It is a loop hole, you know it's a loop hole, so please stop trying to defend it as anything other. Now you are basically saying on the "slight chance" that he was trying to use a loop hole...why not do it.... Thank you for proving my point. lol

I don't think, it's a loop hole. Don't try to turn my statements as you like them.

The freedom of religion is guaranteed by human rights and by constitution and the holy mushrooms are accepted as religious sacrament by the UNO treaties.

invest time in the issue? I think I did plenty of that in this thread.

That's not what I meant. You won't learn anything about the background by using the word bullshit all over again.

I apologize for making you contradict yourself over and over again. Perhaps you expected the stereotypical stoner response to his jailing.....

Don't worry, you didn't. I have no expectations here and got already used to people having doubts in the use of mushrooms for spiritual and religious purposes.

For a first impresson you may start here or pick up one of these:

• The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross: A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East by John Marco Allegro
• Sacred Mushrooms: The Secrets of Eleusis by Carl A. P. Ruck
• Magic Mushrooms in Religion and Alchemy by Clark Heinrich
• The Truth Under Lock and Key?: Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls by Klaus Berger and James S. Currie

[becs]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

here's a novel idea-
he could have
gotten a fucking job!

He has got a job. More than that, he has a mission: telling people the truths about the mushrooms and fighting for their legal use.

[becs]

Originally Posted by Bobcat

And Becs, the definition is not a simple this or this or this explanation. It is a this AND this AND this explanation. Its not just 'practices'; eating mushrooms is no more a religion than drinking milk or jacking off with your left hand.

Where is specified what kind of explanations are valid and which are not? IMO you can't be wrong by going back to the root of a word.
If you can achieve religion by drinking milk -- fine, go for it. I know I can by eating the mushrooms. That's a very important difference.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by becs

He has got a job. More than that, he has a mission: telling people the truths about the mushrooms and fighting for their legal use.

ha!
i do far more right here.
reverend hip-
has a nice ring to it, eh ?


going to prison is not 'fighting' for anything,
except perhaps the bar of soap dropped in the shower.

[becs]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i do far more right here.

I doubt it. It's a full time job.

going to prison is not 'fighting' for anything,
except perhaps the bar of soap dropped in the shower.

It's part of the process.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by becs

He has got a job. More than that, he has a mission: telling people the truths about the mushrooms and fighting for their legal use.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by srgtm1a

If he was truly doing this for the "holy mushrooms" he wouldn't be looking for people to support his lifestyle, he would be sending them out to people at the cost of shipping at most.....and that isn't the case.

Originally Posted by becs

Ah, sure. I bet, he would love to do exactly that, but as you might know, you need some money for a living.

Ah see....I do do exactly that.....I give them to all of my close friends FOR FREE.....and why do I give them to them for free...because I have a fuckn' job. I guess I am pastor Srgtm1a.


You are now comparing people who use mushrooms spiritually to pastor dave? give me a break. A lot of people do mushrooms spiritually, dave only sells them for profit.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

ha!
i do far more right here.
reverend hip-
has a nice ring to it, eh ?

Originally Posted by becs

I doubt it. It's a full time job.

Do you think running this site isn't a full time job, and pastor dave is doing more for the mushroom community?

The true PASTORS are people like the FSRC who give people the joy of mushrooms for FREE....and people like Hippie who educate people on them. Pastor dave is nothing more than a drug dealer.....only digital.

Yes people do mushrooms spiritually, but please don't compare pastor dave to those people...it's rather insulting.

This conversation is almost as good as the "Freegans are not technically bums" discussion.

[Hippie3]

and just how do you happen to know so much about the personal details
like how hard/much pastor dave works,
becs ?
you his boy or what ?

mycotopia is a full time job, too
and i earn my income at mycrotopia
but i don't deal shrooms under the guise of religion
and i'm not rotting in prison like a fool.