mushroom church?

[hallucinogeneti]

Have you guys ever heard of this? Read about it in the latest cannabis culture. www.s-m-c-s.org/en?PX1.

[omnibot]

wow, they're pretty brazen. Looks like they send sacrament anywhere in the world. I wonder how long they'll last. hopefully a while...

[lucysmiling]

yes i have heard of this church. Pastor David provides mushrooms to all worldwide. I know him personally and a few others that work there. PM me if you would like to work something out with sacrament. Or you could just go through the website.

[SharkieJones]

I like what I'm seeing there.

After further research, it seems they take "donations" and send "sacrament" anywhere in the world.. Not saying that isn't cool, but it kinda seems like an interesting way to become a drug dealer..

[Killjoy]

just think,
a whole network of 'priests'
handing out sacrament while passing the donation plate...
seems to fit quite a few religions/drug cartels.
Interesting compairison.

I've been thinking a lot about the evolution of religion and culture-the natural selection of one over another...
seems I've a few more 'organazations' to think about.

[srgtm1a]

hmmm....this doesn't look like anything I would touch with a 20ft poll....far too risky....even if they are legit and actually send stuff out. I would suggest staying far away from this if you are in the states.

[hogwild]

or sending it to a safe addy.... thats what its for right. IMO your better off growing your own "sacrament"

[reverend trips]

or sending it to a safe addy.... thats what its for right.

I wouldn't have anything illegal sent to my safe addy.
My safe addy=someone kind enough, whom i trust to do me a favour of receiving some "legal" spores from time to time, and I wouldn't feel too good getting them in trouble for doing me a favour.

[hallucinogeneti]

I think it's a good way to protest. Hopefully they start popping up in different countries.

[dead_diver]

May not be such a good thing. Handing a sacrement out to just anyone is not a good idea. Remember what happened when Tim Leary started getting too liberal with dishing out doses? Too much of a good thing...

[SharkieJones]

It's an intersting idea, but why would i want to compromise myself by ordering sacrements that are illegal and unrecognized by the govt to come to my safe place. I don't need that kind of attention.

[billyboy]

hahaha

look at these trippin foos!!!

[hogwild]

lol they are high as a kite

[Mycolangelo]

I agree with the concept, after all the mushrooms are a way to look inside yourself where many believe the great spirit is.
Mushrooms are sacrament.
I think it is likely that the concept of god was conceived by primitive trippers.

[spyker]

Hear hear I say...Who could not agree with their objectives as laid out on the site.. Lets see what happens..? Imagine if 1 million people in the states order... Issues will have to be confronted, the mushie will as usual be a catalyst. The law will go nuts! and after the "yage" rulling... who knows it may blow the door open if it was legit and it used. Using the loopholes to prise a leak.. Then clefting a crack and the dam breaks down.

[Hippie3]

yeah, right
and that's why cannabis became legal today
oh wait a minute,
it's not.
yet millions smoke it daily
and it's imported by the tonnage.

this is just a scam
to sell dope
under the guise of religion.
i find it offensive, to be honest.

[spyker]

Does your dope (shrooms here) not have any religeous/spiritual connection for U Hip?

Would it not be nice to be able to consume what you choose without being persecuted? I sure as hell dont want another person to have the right to choose what I can or cannot injest or smoke. But other people do have that right over me. How does it get taken back.. They've probably asked the same questions and live in a more liberal society than we do..
It offends me that the state has any say in the use of sacramental foods at all. Hope I dont offend U.

[cap]

PM me if you would like to work something out with sacrament. Or you could just go through the website.

reckon the membership of this site is fully capable of finding the path to enlightenment on their own
given the plethora of information strung throughout the forums
not to mention the most elaborate and complete "FAQ" (the vaults, et al)
to be found ANYWHERE on the web, or elsewhere
imo organized religion is a total joke
i have to agree that this operation is ridiculous. grow yer own, folks>> /\ /\ /\

[Hippie3]

if shrooms held religious significance for me
i still would not want some
'church' passing a collection plate
and i damn sure don't need any
shroom priests telling me what to believe.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by lucysmiling

PM me if you would like to work something out with sacrament..

lucysmiling-
this is the only warning you will receive .
what you did was illegal and against board policy.
if you ever offer to score anyone here dope again
for any reason
you will be perma-banned.

[srgtm1a]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

yeah, right
and that's why cannabis became legal today
oh wait a minute,
it's not.
yet millions smoke it daily
and it's imported by the tonnage.

this is just a scam
to sell dope
under the guise of religion.
i find it offensive, to be honest.

I agree, using the facade of religion and "donations" to be a drug dealer is offensive. I think these guys can care less about "spirituality"...it's all about the $$$...sorry "donations".

I told a friend of mine about this site who is both VERY religious, and loves mushrooms. In his words:

"Their site is blasphemous and gives a bad name to people who enjoy mushrooms. When you start trying to make money on spirituality, you are truly lost."

I'm not a very religious person myself, but I see his point.

Spyker, you had said that having a bunch of people ordering this would be a turn around for the legality of mushrooms.......no, it wouldn't....it would just mean a bunch of people being arrested for possessing and purchasing a controlled substance. You are right, the law would go nuts...they would have a field day and record arrests and publicity. This all, of course, if you can get it past customs first. All because a bunch of people do something that is illegal will not make it legal.

Most cases, other than a few rasta cases, that use "religion" as a reason for possessing drugs, usually get tossed on their asses. There are actually only two that I know of that succeeded...one being the rastas and the other native Americans. All these "weed churches" etc never hold up in court. The ones that will sell you a "weed church" card that allows you to carry pot legally....and for only $200....lol. If it were only that easy.

[spyker]

It will be interesting to see if this ever goes anywhere..
I 2 believe we must grow our own anyway. And that no one should be able to tell anyone not to, esp. if it is something they are doing for spiritual reasons.

[srgtm1a]

Trust me, it won't. This has been done a ton of times already. Some of them even have legitimate, real church buildings, and the whole nine yards.

The thing is, you are going to have to convince a jury that this is the case....most people are not that gullible to buy into it, and not see that it is just a loop hole they are using to abuse the system.

[hallucinogeneti]

I don't think the guy deserves any of the attacks you guys are making.

There's no evidence that he's a swindler. I don't think he's trying to become a drug dealer.

And the whole organization sure as hell isn't an efficient way to get shrooms either. Of course it's easier and safer to grow your own. It's not about getting shrooms.

It seems to me that the point of it is just to use the constitutional right as a tool to demonstrate the stupidity of the drug laws.

Any organization wants donations.

I think It's much more probable that he's just a laid back tripper who wants to prove a point, and hopefully change something. I don't think it's fair to deem this thing "offensive" by any means. Also, if you read about it, there are no "rules" or "priests" trying to tell you what to do either. but that's just imo.

[Hippie3]

see,
the thing about being offensive
is that it's a matter of personal opinion
and no one has the right to tell another person
how they should or should not feel.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by hallucinogeneti

Also, if you read about it, there are no "rules" or "priests" trying to tell you what to do either. but that's just imo.

au contrair.
'pastor dave' lays out
a complete theology

if he isn't some kind of priest
then why does he call himself
'pastor'** ?
the connotation is of
a wise leader who leads his
flock of sheep.
{ **Middle English, from Old French, from Latin pāstor, shepherd}

and here is their 'creed'-

We want to achieve the following:

reestablish and refine old shamanic healing methods
produce food and cure in an ecologically not destructive way
educate and raise children according to the continuum-concept
invite people from all over the world to show the possibilities
offer shelter and help to stop discrimination and prosecution of our members
...true religion means 're-aligning to nature' the way humans always have done it, through use of natural entheogens

note esp. his emphasis
on teaching the
children
the 'true religion'.
i.e. his belief system.

sounds like a priest to me
but i'm no sheep
and have no need of any 'pastor'
to guide me.

[morganfreeman]

I agree with Hippie. (Hippie Cubed? I like that.)

It is offensive and I would stay away from anyone who starts a new "religion"- these things always tend to end up badly. In fact, don't they always end up badly?

And...anyone who makes a donation to get a "sacrament" or even discusses the idea with anyone that you meet anonymously over the internet is nutso, IMHO.

If I was growing illegal mushrooms (which I'm not), my best friend wouldn't know about it...much less contacting some "church" wackos to use the U.S. mail to transport drugs to my home.

You ever notice that when you're in jail, you're surrounded by idiots? Not a whole lot of Rhodes Scholars in there? This is a perfect example.

Now go in peace my brothers.

And the minimum donation for some shrooms is $20 and they don't even have the pan cyans, my fav..

[Niarb]

David , the guy that runs the www.sacered-mushroom-church.ch
has been arrested, no more info,
nice people, best intentions ,

[cap]

bump...

Can't say I did not see that coming. It sucks!

Do you know in what country he lived? Was it the USA?

[emptybrightness]

I believe the .ch in the sacred mush church web address is Swiss. Seems like the website is down.

+empty

[Hippie3]

how do you know about this arrest ?

[TVCasualty]

Christian churches got the donation thing down a long time ago; just pass the plate around and for that you get some organ music, nothing more. Totally legal, too. Odd, since logic should dictate that the people asking for money and giving nothing in return should be arrested, not the people who really deliver the goods. Sucks that anyone gets arrested for mushrooms, even someone selling mailorder. Show me the victims of his crimes...

And it does cost money to produce the 'sacrament,' so asking for help in offsetting the cost is cool IMO (I mean 'asking' not 'requiring'). This whole issue is moot right now thanks to the laws, and mushrooms have managed to persist this long underground so I'll stick to wandering around fields and dumping out mason jars to find my sacraments. At least he was likely arrested outside the US; I think if he's in Switzerland he's not as screwed as he'd be here, but I'm not sure.

Offering up a Belief System with the mushrooms is kind of annoying, but probably was felt to be necessary so the 'church' would look more like other, more mainstream, churches. I see mushrooms as great tools for the erosion of Belief Systems (I'll just shorten that to BS), so having a BS about mushroom 'truth' is a contradiction to me. Besides, I already have my own BS and I like it as much as y'all like your BS.

edit: The site seems to be back up. Interesting links section... Here's a quote from part of the site:

The word 'church' is used to convey the idea of a spiritual community, not of any building or place. Worshippers of the Sacred Mushroom need neither a special place ('cathedral') nor special people (priests, popes) to practice their religion - the only being they need to experience religion is the Sacred Mushroom.

And yet he is "Pastor David," which is technically not a priest or pope, maybe it's the new term for System Administrator? I for one would insist on being called "Pope David" since it sounds more impressive. And, there was no specific mention of which species you might get in the mail, at least not at the place where you start to enter your email address (I didn't get past that point). There was one picture of Amanita muscaria that popped up along with some cubensis; I wonder what would show up at my place for the $20? Amanita's? Hey, then it's not illegal, right?

[Hippie3]