When will we see a woman president in the US ?

when ?
i'd love to see hillary do it.
i think she could win.
does anyone else thinks
it's about time to break
this one last 'glass ceiling'
and elect a woman to this
nation's highest office ?

Come on Hip,
If Hillary was the woman qualified to be the leader of the free world, don't you think she would have sent Bill packing after the Monica scherade. I know they stayed together for the kids, how very American.
Morality aside, he deceived her. And in turn she just immersed herself in running for Senator of a state she never lived in.
I mean really, if that isn't an example of a career politician, what is?
This country needs leaders with new ideas, new agendas, and above all honesty. Gender isn't required for that.
Hell, we can't even get Nader above 5%, and he is about as honest and open an individual as it comes.
And then we have the good old boys, who think an outspoken man is a leader, and an outspoken women is a bitch.
We haven't even ratifide the equal rights amendment.
We are light years away from a woman in the Oval Office.
It's a shame really, we haven't evolved as much as we would like to believe.
Love ya just the same,
Joe

it's about time to break
this one last 'glass ceiling'

There's also the idea of a black prez. I don't know which we'll have to wait longer for. I agree tho, I bet Hillary could do it if anyone could.

That's one of the real hurdles, isn't it? How many women would the republicrats back? Have they taken the risk before?

(Message edited by superunborn on June 24, 2004)

I'm in total agreement with you on this one Hip . Hillary would be a great choice (and she might actually be able to pull it off.....especially if Bush get's re-elected ) .

yea iv got ten bucks that says she runs in 2008 her winning is another thing

actualy now that i think of it she'll have a good chance, that would be cool

(Message edited by lazlow on June 24, 2004)

It's interesting that the Philipines has had several female presidents. The U.S.? I dunno... so many lunkheads.

when...

[shedthemonkey]

i'd love to see hillary do it.
i think she could win.
I think she has already proven to be a good president when she was keeping things humming when ol' Bill was getting hummers in the Oral, er, Oval Office.

Seriously, she knows how to play the game. The New York Senator thing is a stepping stone. If her name is on the 2008 ballot for prez I will push the button next to it come November.

Assuming that Dubya doesn't take us to Armageddon before that of course. :-)

I'm conflicted on this one. I like Hillary and all, but I think she would be a horrible president. It would be WORSE than the 90's as far as partisan warfare goes, unless of course, the Dems controlled at least one branch of congress. And she's got to win first! I think if she were to run, she would be putting herself above her party. It would cost the democrats deeply were she to run and if she cared about it at all, she won't. Personally, I think its one of those "shark attack" stories... the press knows that they can keep beating that drum and they'll beat it as long as they can. Our washington press corps is sooooo disfunctional...

but
she could beat BUSH.
maybe not the next guy in '08,
but as weak as kerry is
and pulling 48%
hillary would win,
enough women would cross party to
see a woman win,
of that i'm certain.
add that to the bush-haters
and you have a bush defeat this fall.

great cartoon, Shedthemonkey,
bush does get that look.
good thing he has advisers eh ?

[shedthemonkey]

Thanks. I'm kind of a cartoon ho, as if you haven't noticed.

Here is one of my favorite that relates both to politics and mushrooms:

Somehow I get this image of Bill going the way of Vince Foster if that happens.. She would not need him anymore. Someone I know who used to work in the WH told me she used to go into fits and throw stuff at him all the time. She has one hot temper..



(Message edited by roo on June 25, 2004)

lol
as i understand it
they see very little of each other now,
the marriage is a polite formality,
political expediency.
i think she's smart enough to keep bill close
but not too close.

LOL bet he would not live in the whitehouse. I do not think Bill is nearly as popular as he once was. His book is taking a crap, etc. She certainly would get a sympathy vote from many woman.

She certainly would get a sympathy vote from many woman.

exactly my point,
proly enough
if you add in the rabid anti-bush crowd
and the pacifists and the environmentalists,
etc.
a real coalition.

I bet her an Liberman hook up, he could be her vice pres. Bill Clinton would probably hang around on weekends... She might keep him in some sort of a secret room under the white house. Keep him tied locked up with Monica for the rest of his life.

I can see it now.. Elmer Fud cowering at the knee of the evil cat woman. She would probably put dog collars on all the male staff.. I bet she would realy crack the wip..

She would probably be the first female version of Hitler. Her and bill are like 2 peas in a pod. She was so high and mighty during watergate. Then her own husband gets busted and she cries foul..

I had to deal with her evil twin today. A bussiness manager of the same qualities. I showed her up at a meeting today and she went crazy. Started prancing around the room huffing and puffing. LOL Could have heard a pin drop in that room. She took me in her office after the meeting for a private one. She just went nutts telling me how much smarter she is than me, how she is going to have the world at her fingertips etc. She is a real wack job. She started treating me like a little "man" becouse I do work from time to time with my hands. I told her she had a nice set of balls for a woman and walked out... LOL! I wonder if I will have a job tommorow? HE HE!!!

I dont mind powerfull woman at all. I honestly prefer such woman in my personal life. I prefer an equal relationship. But when it comes to fema-nazies I cant take it...

Just remember, John Kerry is might be the presidential democratic candidate in 2008, at least I hope he has the chance. hehe

Kinda silly for people to say they would vote for Hillary just because she is a woman. I'd say I'll reserve if I'd vote for her or not depending upon who she is running against and how she stands on her issues. Voting for her because she is a woman would be silly. Do any of you know how she stands on most major issues at the moment?

She's a member of the more moderate "New-Democrat" wing of the party. Meaning, she's got a more "business friendly" attitude but she's still socially liberal: pro choice, pro gun control, etc. She's pretty much just like Bill Clinton. Their views on the major issues are almost interchangeable.

Kinda silly for people to say they would vote for Hillary just because she is a woman.

not at all,
some people damn sure would.
just like those who plan to
vote for a man they don't like [kerry]
just to defeat bush.

She would probably be the first female version of Hitler.

jeez...
not out of the gate even
and already called
hitler.
the 'net is really getting sad these days.

but
she could beat BUSH.
maybe not the next guy in '08,
but as weak as kerry is
and pulling 48%
hillary would win,

That's very much the Clinton Plan - however, not the first section. If she could beat Bush, then she would have run against him. She does not think she can beat him, and also knows if she gets trounced like Kerry is going to, she wouldn't get the title shot in 2008. Because, in 2008, she doesn't have to compete with The Dynasty. Unless Cheney runs. Now THAT would be funny.

not out of the gate even
and already called
hitler.

I always wonder who people compared bad people to BEFORE Hitler, you know? I mean, who used to be the top douchebag before Hitler took it? Maybe Hillary's not as bad as Hitler...maybe she'll be like the other guy...

Kinda silly for people to say they would vote for Hillary just because she is a woman.

For real. As a general rule, single women do not vote (hell, most young people don't vote, period), and most married women vote with their husbands - that is also a pretty silly thing to do, if you ask me, but I don't think they'll swing for Hilary just because she's a woman. This is only because, when I talk to women that don't vote alongside their husbands, they are some very politically-minded women who verymuch know their shit, and aren't going to vote for someone just based on sex. Most would be offended at that insinuation, too. I think you would have an easier time saying if Al Sharpton ran, he would get a minority swing vote. But, once again, minorities have less of a voting rate than the old rich white people (and those old rich white people are old and rich, so they now lots of people that do what they say).

vote for a man they don't like [kerry]
just to defeat bush.

Yeah, dude, this is the first presidential election I can vote in, and look at my choices! I can't NOT VOTE, what am I gonna' do? I don't want either one, but I know one has to win...

(Message edited by taoistshredder on June 26, 2004)

"jeez...
not out of the gate even
and already called
hitler.
the 'net is really getting sad these days."

You are right... she could not be a Hitler as Hitler was well loved by many people, both in Germany and in this country. Hitler gave alot of people great hope during the dark days of the 30's.

Hmmm..

She is well loved in the halls of the UN. Also in the EU, which is run by a bunch of "cradle to grave" socialists. A bunch of elitists pigs.

I am shure she will be elected in 08'. I cannot wait to see Johnsons failed war on poverty resurected. Her and Bill have lived in public housing for most of their lives. I am shure she wants to extend that honor to us little people. I will be so poor from her vision of taxing working people to pay for lazy people, that I will have no money to retire on. I would think it would give people more honor if they where given skills to use to get a good job. Rather than just money to sit on their can all day watching tv and smoking crack all night. Having children I have to pay to raise, when I just make enough to pay for my own. But why not, those "poor" folks will shurly vote for her the next time around...

You surprise me Roo.
First of all, we're being taxed to death right now so the corporations can get subsidies to move the jobs overseas. This is effectively lowering wages and standard of living in this country. Bush says "a million jobs were created in the last three months". Are you aware that 64% of those jobs come with no health care coverage?

Are you also aware that under bill clinton, welfare payments were at a 30 year low, while the federal budget was balanced?

You worry about being taxed to death? Dubya has run up a trillion dollars in debt that your taxes are paying INTEREST on. 33 million bucks per hour in interest alone. That's 33 million bucks that could be building roads, bridges, hospitals, bombs and missiles, that is being wasted paying interest to the big banks and foreign investors who are bankrolling bush's lack of financial responsibility. Talk about a threat to national security! It's like you and me taking a pay cut, then using our credit cards to keep up the same standard of living. How long do you think that can continue? Do the math.
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdint.htm

By the way, I would hate to see a female president. The women in the group are going to jump on me like stink on shit for saying this, but do we really want a president on the rag when a major decision has to be made? I for one do not. Sorry girls.

about that age is time for mental-pause'al no?
hehe heh

but do we really want a president on the rag when a major decision has to be made?

that's just silly, rodger.
for one thing,
a woman on her period can't be much worse
than a president with a hard-on for young interns.
second, and more significant,
by the time a woman gets old enough to win
a presidential election,
odds heavily favor her being post-menopausal.
hillary certainly is.
furthermore,
this is the year 2004,
a woman's period can be stopped
by a simple injection of birth control hormone,
my wife is only 24 and hasn't had a period in years, and won't,
as long as she keeps taking her shots.
so that's pretty much a moot point.

(Message edited by admin on June 27, 2004)

So we'd have to keep our president on medication to keep her from having periods. Interesting.

By the way, I'm no sexist, but a realist. Having a hard dick doesn't turn one's mind to butter. Having a period does. Any woman will even admit that.

do we really want a president on the rag when a major decision has to be made?

For real.

a woman on her period can't be much worse
than a president with a hard-on for anything that walks

True dat.

I don't think clinton is bi. So he could only have a hard on for half the things that walk. A man after my own ways.

[morella]

Yes Rodger, I can see how relating to women can pose problems, especially if you're the type of man that triggers the hormonal, emotional "meltdown". It's much better to walk in as the hero after someone or something else has triggered it. Maybe you could take some lessons from southern men.

(Message edited by morella on June 28, 2004)

I agree w/ everything rodger says 100%.
He's right on.

I was waiting for that morella...thanks.
I'm sure my five ex wives would all agree with you.
But, they're all wrong I tell ya...
I really didn't mean to offend. I love women. Anyone who took offense, please accept my apologies.

(Message edited by skyypilot on June 29, 2004)

Having a hard dick doesn't turn one's mind to butter.

bull shit,
i'd have to strongly disagree.
and i also disagree about
women becoming simple-minded during their periods.

between your remarks about the intelligence of both Southerners and women lately
one must conclude that it's you that need to adjust, not the world.
and birth control is hardly to be considered
as mind-altering 'medication',
or do you consider all women on birth control
to be simpletons too ?

I'm a guy, I hate this stereotype, but as a lover of all sides of an argument I must post this. I am sorry for the betrayal, my brothers.

God gave men two heads, but only enough blood to control one at a time.

btw, Hip, we're not talking normal birth control - with normal brith control you still get a period, it's just that the egg isn't viable. Many women use this method of birht control to keep their cycles regular, especially adolescents, since their hormones are funky. I don't know many women on 100% no period birth control - in fact, I don't think I know any. Except your wife (who I don't know, but I trust you...). Isn't that like enducing menopause, or getting a temporary hysterectomy?

(Message edited by taoistshredder on June 29, 2004)

she gets a shot.
after a few months on the shot
the periods stop completely,
unlike bc pills.
nice for us,
no 'down-time' every month,
no 'sanitary' products around the house.
once the shots are discontinued
regular cycle returns in a few months.
the shot tricks her body
into thinking she's already pregnant,
so that's why the cycle stops,
no more ovulation so no more 'flushing' either.

(Message edited by admin on June 29, 2004)

the shot tricks her body
into thinking she's already pregnant,

That's cool - I'm a big fan of physiology. Does she do it for conveniance or is it reqired medically?