Anyone else watching the debate?

Should be interesting... LOL!

Blah blah blah blah!

Bush seems very "scripted" to me so far.

Bush is loosing up a bit..

I dont know Bush seems to be having problems..

Kerry is doing a better job of getting his point across so far.

Bush looked like he was getting angry at times....He just might yell before its over....Those dam WMD's , where the hell are you Bin Laden? you cost me the election damit

It looked to me like Kerry won hands down . Bush was nervous and was constantly on the defensive . Kerry came across as strong and decisive . Ya know what ? I think these debates are gonna turn this election around and propel Kerry to the presidency .

I'd like to hear from the bush supporters on this. It really looked to me like Kerry kicked ass. All bush could say was "changing positions" and "sends wrong message" over and over. His handlers really should have prepared him better.

I had the experience of watching the debate from work with a bush supporter. Early in the debate he was mocking Kerry. At the end, he actually said his mind isn't so made up for bush as it was before.

My analysis: Round one goes to Kerry.

Kerry totally kicked ass!

[xray]

Did anybody notice Bush frantically scribbling away at his notes. You could actually hear his nervous note taking through the mic while Kerry was speaking.

Kerry 1 Bush 0

Kerry made a much better impression.. He handles himself much better. I expect this is the first time most people have seen the 2 side beside, rather than listening to just spin.

It was very interesting and I will watch the rest of thes debates.

Yep . Next week should be even better for Kerry . The topic is going to be domestic issues , which bush has failed miserably at ( whaddaya expect from a "war president" ??) . From all the enviromental constraints he's removed to health care to tax breaks for the richest 1%.....hell , Kerry's gonna have a field day on this !
Did ya'all notice how Kerry seemed to be genuinely relishing the chance to get his points across in the debate.....while bush looked like he was sweating bullets and counting the minutes till he could get the hell outta there ! It clearly seemed like he's only used to speaking to groups of hand-clapping republicans .....

It really looked to me like Kerry kicked ass. All bush could say was "changing positions" and "sends wrong message" over and over.

That coupled with the concept that United States' freedom, which has been pretty secure for the last
225 years or so, is now somehow dependant on the freedom of a bunch of people that Americans
obviously don't care about. I'd love to hear an answer from a Bush supporter on why he kept saying
that shit.}

Anyone seen HIP?.......lol

i'm in the other thread on this topic.
but we did watch the whole thing.
kerry did ok for himself,
bush got in a few good licks too.
hardly decisive,
but you kerry fans should be in good spirits,
your man did a decent job of
representing himself.
next to see
if america is buying
what he's selling.

Yeah , Kerry seemed very sure of himself . He projected a real leader-type persona . Bush came off as kinda wimpy as he tried to remember all the soundbites that his handlers have been feeding him all week . Without Cheney and all his men around him.....didn't he look and sound pretty hoakey ?

I had the experience of watching the debate from work with a bush supporter. Early in the
debate he was mocking Kerry. At the end, he actually said his mind isn't so made up for bush
as it was before.

This was the first time I really got to hear Kerry talk about stuff. I didn't get sound bytes from a
news show or someone's commentary on what he said or any of that - I think America got to see who
Kerry was last night. He's been accused of being wishy-washy and flip-flopping and all that other
rhetorical bullshit (it's called fuckin' politics, as in making policy, which as it happens tends to
change as time moves), as long as he can stick to what he's said last night the next couple of
debates, I think he might take this.

I'm pumped for the Cheney/Edwards debate. I don't like either of those guys - it's like watching two
people you already hate get in a melee with each other - you just want to sit back and make some popcorn.

i just don't think the judging should come down to debate skill,
we don't have our president to debate bin laden.
of course kerry's a good debater,
he should be
after 30 years in the Senate,
that's all they do there.
bush was just a businessman then a governor
then prez, very little debate experience.
but i think most voters are too sophisticated any more to be so shallow as to let good public speaking skills be the determining factor.
policy is far more critical,
and a good policy, poorly expressed
is still better than
a bad policy eloquently expressed.

I saw 2 actors on a stage, both playing their parts remarkably well. This election seems like an illusion to me. Either man is going to have to deal with some very painful realities if they are elected.

I do not blame Bush or anyone else for the realities that our nation now must face. Such realities have come into being during the last 150 years. No single man can change what is.

I have watched things get more and more screwed up the past half a century. My parents could very easily buy a house, car, food etc on one income. Now, it takes 2 incomes plus a stack of credit cards to make it. Personal debt is out of control, as is public debt. The calculation of public debt is a major deception. In just a few years the "baby boomers" are going to be drawing social security. I have bad news, that money does not exist. Its just IOU's on paper. We can add to this medicare, war, and natural disasters.

We no longer produce things in this country. Most of this countries real wealth is now held by other countries, friendly people like Saudi Arabia, China, the UE, etc.

Our southern boarders have been held wide open since 09/11/01 for selfish political reasons. Can you imagine what has come across the boarder other than people looking for work?

We have become a nation based on a Wall mart economy. Be buy cheap junk from Asia, it falls apart quickly and we buy more. Nations such as China buy our debt to make up for the imbalance in trade. If worse came to worse, be it another terrorist attack, or the Iraq war turning into a middle eastern civil war, these counties will come to collect their money. They will either get paid in our childrens gold, or they will have our government in its hip pocket, the Chinese had Bill Clinton in such a place to some extent.

Like I have said before, its all a house of cards. Thats why all hell has broken lose after 911. Thats why we had to invade Iraq. We needed to show we where still powerful. The whole world knows the game, and is watching the war more closely than most Americans. Imagine what would happen if we got beat to hell in Iraq, and had several new terrorist attacks on American soil... We would become what a "has been super power" like "Great" Brittain, or France. Our fate would actually be worse, as we no longer have the infrastructure to create capital. Now we can create "services", but such an economy cannot rebuild a nation.

I wonder why anyone would want to be president? Perhaps they think the can turn things around. But my gut tells me we are 10 years too late. I just do not trust either one of them. Both men seem to be showman. Kerry is playing to the liberal intellectual crowd and Bush is playing to middle America. I know GW is not as "simple" as he has made himself to be. Both men come from the elite of our society.

Its very confusing who I want to be president. I will vote, but will my vote really do anything other than just change the name on the door to the oval office. Both men will have to deal with the same realities. We seem to have a choice between liberal and conservative KY jelly, to go with the screwing I suspect we all are in for. Now I have to sit here and wonder which brand is going to provide my personal preference of lubrication.

I know that politically I once considered myself a conservative. I am conservative as far as the government keeping its nose out my business. I do not like GW and company's brand of conservatism. They seem like a strange crossbreed of country club republicans and PTL club bible thumpers. Real conservatism seems to be dead. The sort that encourages small business growth and stays the hell out of my personal life. I have said the hell with the republican party and I will most likely vote libertarian. I could care less if my vote means anything on the idiotic "blue and red state board" on election night, it will mean something to me.

LOL! End of rant........

I'd like to point out even though Kerry won on most topics in the debate, He had to! and this by far means the race is not over.....In my own opinon, I thought Kerry could have done better although this was a step in the right direction.

Kerry 99
Bush 98

"Hope is on the way"

I thought it was funny that Kerry said the president couldnt supply body armor to the troops for this war....Kerry voted against that funding. What a shame, someone who doesnt show up for 70% of important issues in congress finds a way to show up and vote for a war, then against it then to not fund it. Hell he even admited torturing EPWs in Nam and then thru the book at the President over the prison crap in Iraq. Ya he did good considering he has debated since high school on up. I still dont trust him..dont think his tree hugger days are over enuff to be President.
Someone with current military knowledge in here please explain how it is at all possible how Kerry is to add 2 more divisions and make the speacial forces larger?? After Clint began the downsizing. Looking like your solid on stage is a lil diffrent then actually being in the room talking to your commanders and haveing to make a decision and stick with it.

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It just goes to show that our nation is deeply divided during one of the most dangerous times in its history. We need to put our "idiotology" aside and deal with the problems that we are facing. I am of the opinion that if both sides do not do this, the children born today will NOT live in the same nation their parents did.

On a lighter side, did anyone see the debates lampooned on Saturday night live?

I was laughing my ass off!

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simple,
just pass charlie wrangel's draft bill
once kerry's in office.
surprise!

It doesn't matter who the Pres will be..
They will have to make a choice

1.Stay present course
civil war, lots of dead Americans
10 to 20 years

2.Pull out. 1 year

3.Start draft, get job done...4 years

[swine]

Al i have to say is...
If theres a draft...my ass is moving to Europe.

you just have no real idea of what the future will bring, spartacus
so why pretend that you do ?
if you could predict the future
you should log off immediately
and start betting on sport events.

Ok I predict WMD's won't be found in Iraq.....Dam, Rite again.....lol

i predict that's the smartest thing
you'll ever say here.

Ouch hippie, that's a bit harsh, isn't it?

"Al i have to say is...
If theres a draft...my ass is moving to Europe."

Fuckin' A.

Thoth made some really insightful comments, and I agree with him in that I think this country has been headed for serious trouble for quite some time. It seems like things just keep getting worse and worse here.

Although I am a libertarian, I will be voting for Kerry because I'm pretty goddamn sure things won't get much better with Bush in office another 4 years. I think Kerry is just as fucked up as Bush, or any of us for that matter, but I favor his policies over Bush's. I do not think that with an administration like Bush's things will get better. It's seemed pretty obvious for a while now that the current administration's judgement is SEVERELY impaired.

Also, I do not like living in a country where I am goverened by a body that lies to its constituents. I'm not naieve, I don't expect the government to tell it's people everything, but when people are misled to believe that a country without WMD has them, that we are winning a war we are losing to promote false morale, etc., I am sickened. We have been lied to over and over and over again.

Maybe Kerry can bring something new to the table.

I would vote for Badnarik if our electoral system wasn't so unfair, but instead of taking the risk (we all know he won't win) I will vote for the lessr of two evils and hope the US doesn't destroy itself. That's why goddamn Bush was elected in the first place, because people that would have otherwise voted for Gore voted for Nader, and because of that, Gore lost a lot of votes. What a terrible system of government we have.

:/

Hip,
I don't always agree with what you say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it!

haha

[shroomzhilla]

I think Kerry should try out for the broadway production of "the ADDAMS family" for the part of LURCH!

I think Bush should star in the made for TV movie "Captain Caveman in outer space"


*sigh

I see Cheney as a kind of evil organ grinder , with bush as his lil' monkey on a leash .

Much better than mine.