...so we can be "free"

The country I live in, The United $tates. Has been constantly involved in military conflict for the last 50 years. We have territories at different levels of dominance throughout the world.

Its safe to say that the casualties of our dealings over the last half-century are astronomical to say the least. And how much of that consists of truly innocent victims. We have a good reason to act like this, we like how we live, and our biggest fear is that this way of life will change. So we keep on doing what we do best. What is the karmic/moral/ethical significance of all this? Are our lives more important to the people in these countries that we wreak havoc in? Do we weigh a few thousand to our own life and call it a day? Maybe we are more "important" so we can justify keeping ourselves in this bubble? Are we really "victims" of terrorism? Or have we brought this upon ourselves, and do we even have a right to take "revenge"?

My Freedom is dipped in blood, I can taste it.
If you can't, that's not an excuse.

There is no such thing as an innocent American.

neither is any other nation
'innocent'.
there is no right nor wrong
when war is involved.
any one we have killed
was going to die some day any way.
as will we also die some day.
so the price will be paid in full
in our blood
just as it was
in theirs.
perfect justice.

btw,
plz refrain from attacking just americans.
i see such attacks
as just another form of racism.
but instead of sterotyping blacks or yellows or reds,
we lump people together based on the borders.
mexicans are slow and lazy,
the french are great cooks & lovers
but lousy fighters,
americans are war-mongering imperialists,
etc.
just racism
disguised as concern for humanity
but hatred is not far away.

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"plz refrain from attacking just americans.
i see such attacks
as just another form of racism. "

Thank you Hippie.

Peace...

but instead of sterotyping blacks or yellows or reds,
we lump people together based on the borders.
mexicans are slow and lazy,
the french are great cooks & lovers
but lousy fighters,
americans are war-mongering imperialists,
etc.
just racism
disguised as concern for humanity
but hatred is not far away.

Misplaced nationalism - reminds me of that big loud thing in Europe a little over fifty years ago before we started into our wars.

However, I just saw something in AdBusters that showed the U.S. defense budget being larger than the other 13 largest in the world combined. Wow. It kind of does make it feel like we're fighting the planet. You know me, I don't like war, but I see that it's something (one of the dumber somethings) that humans do to gain/maintain power. To be honest, I'm not nearly as concerned with our wars as the mass genocide committed to American Indians hundreds of years ago, and I think they should get a ton of land back. Give 'em everything from the Rockies to the Appalaichans - it'll be just like The Holy Land only with more area and a larger budget.

My point here...while wandering a bit...is that while I hate what my government sometimes does, and while I hate the wars we've been in (prettymuch all of them, not just the last 50 years, we've been imperialistic for longer than that) and while I may even hate myself sometimes for profiting off of those wars, it is what it is. We could stop war now in which case we would have a massive retaliatory effect from the damage already caused. Selfish? About my own life? You betcha'. If it's us or them, it's going to be us; I hate it to come to that, but it is seeming like the only way. It's as if people think if the U.S. was gone conflict would stop.}

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concerned with our wars as the mass genocide committed to American Indians hundreds of years ago,<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

eh, don't feel too badly,
they got the land
by killing the ones there
before them too.

hehe

Yeah, but I think there's a difference between tribal wars and a massive genocide scheme. It's interesting to think about, though; before the Mongols crossed the landbridge, were there other civilizations on this continent, even if not human? Anyway, I don't really know if genocide was our (and by our I mean Europeans) plan - maybe we really did want to save the Incas souls more than we wanted to steal their gold - after all, God likes souls more than gold, but we know what the Spanish praised more. See, and now we get into the reality of things - Americans haven't lay waste to millions of indians...maybe just a mil or two. The Spanish get credit for most of this job.

I've got a government to attack - Sierra Leone. When you can prove to me that my government is more diobolical than the one in Sierra Leone, then I shall weep for the planet. Until then, there are plenty of worse individuals doing plenty more rotten things than what the U.S. does. Which isn't to say we don't do some shitty stinky shit - sometimes it's as bad as the CIA running coke - but we don't chop off people's hands so they can't vote. Why doesn't anyone ever care about the people in Sierra Leone that have to mine the world's fucking diamonds without any *** **** [deleted expletive I wanted to use because I love you Imok] hands!!! I remember hearing about how fucked up the Taliban is ten years ago - women saying how the wankers over there cut women's clits off and made them wear shrouds and beat them to death if they talked - and now we think because we ended that regime that there's not more out there like it? And I'm supposed to feel bad that innocent Afganhis had to die so more than half the population could have basic civil rights? PEOPLE IN SIERRA LEONE HAVE NO HANDS!!! What I'm pissed about is that we're not there instead!

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a massive genocide scheme<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
but there was no such scheme.
there was no master plan,
no coordinated continental effort
at genocide.
that's just not how it happened.

What's left of the American Indain is just sitting atop that mountain or wood and watching and waiting for the new amerikans to do themselves in. But.they will only get tokens lands back and at great cost. Every treaty the Indians ever agreed to was broken any time they were in the way of "the MONEY'.When the whites settled, they used up all the Indians they could as slaves , then they had to turn to Africa and beyond, to
the endentured servant who never got outta debt for generations, to immigrants used as diposible labor and settlers to rid the land of the remaining Indians for a piece of land. Into the mines they went and died by the thousands for a ton of coal a pound of gold..for the very rich few who ruled and still do....and it is still going on. The true justice in this world is Mother Nature finally spitting us off like a bad taste
and starting all over again..the farther we live from the rules of nature, the more unnatural we become and the closer to the end..we make it for all. I wouldn't go into the woods to survive with many people less they become a food source or bait. Not many who can be depended upon when the stuff gets deep.
the Kanawha digs in southern WV which have dated to over 22,000yrs and still going..long before the land-bridge theory of justification..
our history is written as a novel...one big lying support statement after another..we impose our laws on everyone we want to control, to maintain one crazy way of life of chasing the rabbit and that damn carrot,, and yes even Nature is made illegal to us for a never-ending justice system to thrive, for they will never be out of criminals who keep going back to the forbidden fruits..because it's a natural act...and thus ever present and ever-feeding the corrupt and immoral correction systems. What a perfect guaranteed plan that one is..the prohibition of flowers and plants and yes even toadies... "Before long even the home garden will be against the law" I think Dylan,Bob Zimmerman,...well put it...well it's here, some towns make you have a permit to garden, to dig your dirt without a permit and a plan is..against the law...in Cleveland Heights, OH and Morgantown,WV there is or was a law against dandelions...and burdock and yellow root and thistle, etc, etc, etc,,in your yard..you can be fined and worse, remember there's always the threat of "the worse" for allowing them to grow.. and polluting the neigbors perfect poison-sprayed lawn...a valuable medicine and food now an illegal noxious weed...evil is as evil is permitted to do..
And where do ya' think Hitler learned to erradicate his fears{the imperfect non-Arian races} from, from the American
systematic elimination of the American Indian right up through the 1920's ..and beyond..
We are fooled in the numbers to think that well there were only a few million savages. Savages like Tecumseh..and Pontiac who had democracy down before we thought up how to use it like the power eof a religion...the Mayans were so advanced in their knowledge that they scared and threatened the Church so much they were killed off not by the Spanish but by the Vatican...using the Spanish as their servant-tools of destruction. Everything is just control. So where we all go from here and just how well we live a right livelihood..
how good of the Earth's stewards we become or are as individuals...Eco-terroistist if we get in the Big Bro's way ..time and Nature will only tell. If we learn from our mistakes and the past..why do we just keep doing the same thing...stupid is as stupid does..I guess.
for whatever it's worth ...make your one-trip ticket count..it's all ya' got till the tomb is sealed and the Crow fies over your dust. but...
keep on shroomin' till then...
Just my two cents worth...and that ain't worth much these dayzzz........

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(Message edited by karlfinn on December 19, 2004)

wow
even tossed in the vatican &amp; hitler
to make sure the hatred was strong.
i am an indian, too.
my grandmother was born on a
reservation in oklahoma.
indians are just like any other people,
we of 500 nations are not a stereotype.
don't buy into all that pseudo-mystic crap
you see on tv and in the movies,
it's not real.
it's a fraud started by the hippies some 40 years ago, a myth created to reinforce a way of thinking
about a lifestyle that never existed.
any generalization that starts by saying
'the indians did this or that'
is false from the start.
there is no one trait that all 'indians' share
other than residence in the americas.
you think indians rode horses ?
the few that did, eventually,
got them from horses lost by the spanish invaders.
before the spanish came
there were no horses.
think indians live in teepees ?
a few did, but most did not.
ditto for all the other stereotypes,
the feathers, the war bonets &amp; paint, etc.
all features of a tribe/nation
that were falsely
generalized to apply to many
people of different lifestyles
all lumped together under a generic name-
indian.

The indians did a lot of cool shit though.

Much of that has been destroyed.

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The indians did a lot of cool shit though. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
which ones ?
the blackfoot or the osage or ???

Yup 500 plus Nations strong killed off from the East Coast to the West From the South to the North. Who was better at "IT" Sherman or Hitler..
or the Pope...
one under his own control the other under orders ..the other who knows what power guides him...who did Sherman study at war college?
No hate here..just wish the victors did not always write the history they want to hear..
stop with that pat-on-the-back approval...
the Indians fought and killed each other over land, hunting, pride, territory, ego, food, women
..they made slaves and servants of their captives..but they were wiser than the path we modern civilized folks are going down..
"we're all going down together" laurie anderson..
a poet who knows it..put it right...we're all fallin' outta' the big sky...together..if we let it..
but whats this hate thing all the time..?
knee-jerk reactions to a few key words..hummm..??
Hate is responsible for so much but not for questioning some feloniously falsified facts..
more like despise...dislike...
there are and were a thousand bad guys thru-out history we know of..surely more nobody remembers now...
that's how easy we are modified to be controlled..by a power which admits no wrong..
all it takes is a few well put words..
peace...care...best wishes..
a very merry...and don't put the horse away wet..
still just two cents worth..always will be..
and ..what does not kill us only makes us stronger....it's just what do ya' do with all that strength?? hell with that "it's a good day to die stuff"..
was she on the trail of tears ...cherokee forced matched to lands nobody wanted till the immigrants needed a home..some jumped off into the woods here,WV, too..escaped the trail..hell maybe we is brothers..deep down...yahout..

I would argue that the Incas and the Mayas did quite a lot and, given a little more time or perhas technology being used to help them as opposed to ganking their shit, I think they both could have grown to be extraordinary civilizations, not that they weren't already. Maybe that's why the Spaniards wiped them out - it's why the U.S. did. Sure, we're foreign invaders trying to settle an area that is occupied. I have to believe the average European was terrified of the American Indian both because of their numbers as well as the fact that their sole occupation for the last few tousand years was to reach homeostasis with their environment. Talking teepees, I loved the Sioux, I've been into them since I was a kid, and I gotta admit Sun Dancing is some pretty serious shit. But make no mistake - these people weren't peaceful. The Apache were equally hard-core if not moreso (lived on cliffsides - you gotta' dig that). I would say if I feel bad for anyone, it would be the Nez Perce. What a fucked up deal that was. And Wounded Knee with the Sioux...that was pretty fucked up, too. Hippie, did Indians kill women and children? I find it difficult to believe that they would pull a "Wounded Knee," but when attacking a village, was killing exclusive? Ours obviously was not, which is my biggest beef with the whole deal. Indians attacked settlements just like settlers attacked camps; most instances the technology prevailed and for some reason tended to irradicate them as best it could. If I was going to equale an American to Hitler in this case though, it would have to be good old Andy Jackson and his Trail of Tears. Don't tell me that wasn't a genocidal scheme - it was scheduled for late spring but Jackson pushed it back to mid-winder so they'd freeze - the bastard even ignored a Supreme Court Order that told him he couldn't to it to begin with. "Let's see him enforce it" - you know the line.

However! While I will say that White People (mostly Spaniards, not Statemen) did enact some kind of mass genocide, though I'm not saying it was some organized scheme. I mean scheme as in lots of people doing the same kinds of stuff indipendantly for hundreds of years.
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the Mayans were so advanced in their knowledge that they scared and threatened the Church so much they were killed off not by the Spanish but by the Vatican...using the Spanish as their servant-tools of destruction.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Maybe. But I think the money was a bigger motivator than salvation. I'm sure it stared out as "bring God to the savage" but it quickly turned to "bring gold to the Queen." At whatever cost. Including 10 million people. Well, I guess that's a grand total; it was probably only 6 or 7 million, a nice Hitlerian number. However, the idea that this can be equated as an event is ludacris. This took hundreads of years - the holocaust took ten or fifteen. Big fucking difference there. He also interned them and forced them to be slaves - something that the Spaniards did to the South American Indians but to my knowledge we never did to North American Indians. I could be wrong, we do do a lot of crazy shit sometimes, and my history book apparently reads like a novel. Oh, wait, this was my favorite line:
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And where do ya' think Hitler learned to erradicate his fear (the imperfect non-Arian races) from, from the American
systematic elimination of the American Indian right up through the 1920's<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Apparently he was good enough at history to learn how to commit genocide (obviously something of wholly American origin in the last few centuries), but not smart enough to read about Napoleon's defeat in Russia a hundred years prior as not to send his armies there to suffer the exact same defeat. Cut and paste history...feels like what we're doing here...

no one alive today
bears any responsibility
for what went on during the
european conquest of the americas.
and place the'blame' where it really belongs,
not on 'americans'
but on the people who actually came here
who were european for the most part.
disliking and despising
is just around the corner
from hating,
we're just talking shades of the same dark color.
what's the real point behind
denouncing the actions of men long dead ?
if not to put guilt and blame on the living ?
why should an american youth in chicago today
feel rotten because of things
some english or french or spanish colonialists
did centuries ago ?

and the indians weren't interested in
'homeostasis',
they were doing their best to grow in a very tough world.
if they had invented gunpowder and sailing ships
they'd have done the same thing to the euros
had they gotten a chance.
no noble savage, just ordinary people barely surviving living off the lands as hunter-gatherers, or fishermen, or herdsmen,
a few even tilled the land.
but that was no conscious choice,
no informed decision to seek a
life of balance with nature,
that's just a bunch of bolgna,
the myth that's been created.
the reality is far more brutal and real,
they lived limited by technology
not by wisdom.

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Hippie, did Indians kill women and children?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
of course they did,
both of their own,
as well as other tribes
and the european invaders too.
no people has a monopoly on
barbarism and cruelty,
it is a human behavior
and they too were human
just as are we.

Too bad threads like these don't get in history books...

I found your first part very interesting.

Is there a "statute of limitations" on governments' actions? Societies' actions? A species' actions?

It seems like our social evolution has been powered with a dead battery- for all the changes that have occured since the dawn of recorded history , nothing has changed less than our ability to live in harmony.
Is this Our lot, Is this the price of self awareness and emotion.
Is the best we can do -just to hope for a few sweet moments in a world of struggle.
I'm thinking that the world of harmony lies beyond this playground and that for now it's all about the struggle.
And so kids , Smile ,be kind and ride the ride until it kills ya....

welcome to the jungle

Right on that Hippie..None of US , should feel one ounce of guilt for what has transpired in the past, just be smart enough to learn from it for whatever real truths of the pasts are "out-there" cause the history we were all taught is all we got. There was once an alternative history book available thru some of the "radical" presses. {ie, Loompanics, if so allowed} where it almost hurt to read the real events, if they were even real. WE will never know what really happened
what events really never made it into the books
..how many really died..all that matters is that we are all ALIVE today thanks to those who kept going in the past. No matter what they did, good...bad..and apathetically..got us all here and now. It Ain't no Utopia and never will be unless in our dreams...or in some small communal group away from it all and even then there are
the little imperfections of everyday life and of everyday people to contend with, and if there were not...damn ..life would be a BORE,,a snooze..jist put me ta' sleep Elmer..
like a life without fermentation...where would we be with out the rot of life..?? of constant change and conversion into a new event or even consumable products..our hands and Nature has provided.
So "free" is just a matter of small degrees..
there is no absolute in it...ever..and if someone tells you, that you are totally free..
like the emancipation proclamation , et al,
be afraid , be very afraid...and run away ..
That gold the Spaniards took as spoils of war
went back to the Vatican in partial payments as tribute and permits to keep carrying on in the good name of things. Hey , It was the way of the world back then, them with the gold made the rules and sadly still do except for the individualist who live life on their own terms as much as they can or dare, The Brits were smart enough to just wait until Spain did all the dirty work and then robbed them of whatever they could"privateer" away from them, so were they any better? yah and how bout' them Dutch..they started the free market of slaves as we all know it..except the Indians and Africans all made and used slaves of their own peoples..
guess it's only "human"?? The Way of the Day..
And Toaist
is right about not learning from history due to ego control, induced imaginations,whatever!..sort of like Iraq today reminds me of what really happened in Vietnam then...what was the Rule of War and acceptable, with the orders like' "Ah Hell, Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out"...the real reasons for these conflicts and involvements are so cover-up by gung-hooism we only see and hear what we want..and what we are told and taught..just as I am sure people's of the centuries past did the same for their rulers..whomever they were..however they did things..Rule is Law..no matter how nasty it all gets in the end. Only history says if it was a good thing or bad..and then well it's too damn late...ain't it..
and dislike is just around the corner from hate..very true, as life is from death just a heartbeat away...
but what comes from hate is all the difference in the world..no one had a lock on the systematic elimination of people, be they whole civilizations or just a group of tribe..that unbearable butt-hole cross the street..ya' kill my dog.. I'll kill yer cat...mentality...whatever..
it's been going on forever...and still is for sure..probably always will..but "
as the great Ted and Bill said "Be excellent to each Other" now there's a tough act to follow well..cause I got this neighbor that just makes me so damn mad I wanna....well..that's another story aren't it...and it all starts over again...round and round she goes and where she stops nobody will ever knowzzzzz. Cause is it really suppose to STOP? I think the whole idea of ideal harmony must be, the idea of
"heaven" cause in reality , I don't think it's even possible for all mankind, just in our own hearts and actions,,,a piece at a time, in time.
Why do they always say at the funeral " well they are finally Free now.."??
Free..! I think but never say, 'HELL-they're DEAD!! '
Nice Forum , sort of makes ya' think just a little more each day..thanks Hip..and all the rest my best.


(Message edited by karlfinn on December 20, 2004)

neither is any other nation
'innocent'.
there is no right nor wrong
when war is involved.
any one we have killed
was going to die some day any way.
as will we also die some day.
so the price will be paid in full
in our blood
just as it was
in theirs.
perfect justice. - hippie3

I find this a very ignorant attitude. It worries me

Don't confuse a different view of a situation with ignorance...

Thats slightly ironic actually.

[maliki]

One thing that seems to be only touched on in this whole thread is that these are all just simply open thoughts. A few pointed to it hip and more... the knowlege that you use to base your thoughts on is flawed. The history versions that we all know, and belive to be true simply do not contain the entire story. So first this makes all these facts simply assumetions, and we all know how the word ass-u-me breaks down.
Its all for the most part twisted to fit the needs of the victorious.
For example my eldest daughter is now bringing home history books from school for homework, it is amzing what has been taken out of the texts as well as what has been ommited from entry into them.
For instance the Japonese internment camps here in the States in WW2, gone no mention of them.
They have crushed the holecaust of hitler into two pages. They have reformed the history of native americans and the wars we fought to rid them from this land into a simple overview of who they were and where and how they lived.
There is much more that is being squashed out book by book.
Freedom is an illusion for us, created by those who are in control.
Its hard to learn from anothers history when that history is twisted and wipped away....

So that one may simply save face

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT..
I was tempted to argue for the Native american on reading this thread, but I resisted as my view is not based upon a sound historical knowledge of the subject.

I do not retract my previous statement however on Hippie3's horrifically narrow minded comment above. There is nothing about it that is ironic. There is very little right about war, and alot wrong with it. Take it from somebody who has spent time in the armed forces.

i·ro·ny Audio pronunciation of "irony" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies

1.
1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.

ig·no·rant Audio pronunciation of "ignorant" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.

OK. So, the irony of your statement was that you were accusing someone of being ignorant based on your ignorant assumption that a viewpoint is inherantly wrong. It's not slight. It's blantantly ironic. Remember what I said about people who like to get their news from one or few sources? They're people like you - people who decide what a situation is and then go out and find "facts" to back up your opinion. Bad rhetoric. Bad.

You don't fight to expand knowledge. You fight to be right. Why do you think that is?

"History is written by the victors." I don't know who said that but it's so true.

LOL! I cannot for the life of me understand how people can have such an unrealistic view of "humanity".

"Its safe to say that the casualties of our dealings over the last half-century are astronomical to say the least. And how much of that consists of truly innocent victims. We have a good reason to act like this, we like how we live, and our biggest fear is that this way of life will change. So we keep on doing what we do best. What is the karmic/moral/ethical significance of all this? Are our lives more important to the people in these countries that we wreak havoc in? Do we weigh a few thousand to our own life and call it a day? Maybe we are more "important" so we can justify keeping ourselves in this bubble? Are we really "victims" of terrorism? Or have we brought this upon ourselves, and do we even have a right to take "revenge"?"

You seem to be caught up in some sort of psudo liberal/new age illusion. You shoot the word "karma" like it is some kind of "peace" bullet. Please read the Bhagavad gita and get back to me.... It is all about "WAR", "Karma" and the ethical arguments that war brings.

(Message edited by tehutiroo on January 02, 2005)

The first sentence in this thread contains "The United $tates".

This seems to imply that everyone in the states is consumed by money. Thats simply not true. I make enough to get by and thats fine with me. I know hundreds of others who are exactly the same, more consumed with their familys, friends, pets, farms, homes....etc.

Such a gloomy opinion on all the people around you usually comes from not opening your eyes wide enough.

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perception is reality, and what people outside of this country and a lot inside it too see is $$$$ and the power that backs it up.
The reality of the situation, that not even close to every one in this country is consumed by greed and hate of anyone that gets in the way of more $$ and power, is irrelevant, because there are people whose perception and prejudice and hate of us is strong enough that they wanted to crash planes into the WORLD TRADE CENTERS-the symbol of the $$$
whether or not wars are justified because of this reaction to a flawed assumption by a minority of our middle eastern 'friends' is an argument that I would like to avoid. However, I will point out that wars will not solve this problem. I have no magic solution, but I think I can see clearly enough to realize that more violence will only escalate the hostilities. The only way to solve the problem this way is to eliminate it. I estimate that you would have to kill over a billion muslims and other factions/nationalities, before the rest of them would be cowed enough to go into hiding and not risk confrontation with the United States of....the World? We started the job by reelecting Bush, but I don't know if anyone has the stomach to finish it. Don't get me wrong, I think Kerry would have been a horrific president too, but the future that could be coming could be even more horrible.

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find this a very ignorant attitude. It worries me <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
lol
the best you can do
is call me names ?
no line of reasoning,
no argument,
just childishness.
you can do better
and we require it of all posters here.
you disagree with my opinion,
then critique it, prove it wrong
but do not make the mistake of
making personal attacks and name-calling
of your opponent
just because you disagree.
make a case,
or remain silent.
do so willingly
or have it imposed on you if it must,
your choice.

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the french are great cooks &amp; lovers
but lousy fighters,
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Hippie has hit the nail on the head.
All biological species live and thrive
off the death and consumption of other
biological species. Chimpanzees from
one social group brutally assault members,
which more often than not ends in death,
of other social groups. Microbes live off the
death of other microbes and molecules.
Everything lives because of the death of something else. Sure it would be nice to transcend our biological needs, ]
but that is not going to happen.
We are driven by instinct just like
all the other animals, and one of
those instincts is to protect family
members and that feeling then propels
us to protect our familiar social groups,
which is accomplished in part by
expanding those groups.
As the world shrinks, due to shared
information, we may one day view ourselves
as a collective community, which would
be nice. I hope this happens.
But as for now we are all just
squirrels trying to find nuts, by the way this is bad for nut producing trees.
We are driven, genetically, to pass
on our genes to future generations
and this drive overwhelms all others,
and it is the same in the rest of the animal, plant,and prokaryote kingdoms.
We are genetic vectors.
Of course I wish peace to all.
I think the only way to achieve peace
is to stop placing blame and try to love everyone, but this will only work if
everyone does it, otherwise the lovers
will be destroyed. It's easier said
than done but try to love everyone
while staying wary of potential threats.
Peace, love, and happiness.

Bump

Pooner Wazzle...

Peace


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