Spore syringe seizures

llama · 01-27-05, 21:01

Has anyone had a problem getting syringes through the mail into the US? I'd think a customs xray might result in the occasional seizure. Not something I want to mess with, and makes me more inclined to go with prints only, but maybe I'm just paranoid.
-L

01-28-05, 09:42

They're legal in all states but GA CA and ID (no customs from state-to-state though) and I think are legal Federally so that should be cool. Even if it was illegal Customs would just confiscate it and send you a note that said they found and confiscated contraband that was sent to you, to keep being a good American, and have a nice day.

llama · 01-28-05, 11:54

Yeah, I know they're legal, but inept feds often seize legal goods. Still, it sounds like there aren't often troubles.

01-28-05, 12:46

Generally (I can see this post getting me in trouble already) newer growers order syringes - usually once one has grown a few mushrooms he/she has prints to continue growing or to trade on here for new ones. Granted, there are plenty of people who have been growing for years who will swear by spore suppliers, and for good reason; if I ordered syringes and didn't make them I'd save myself 4 contamed halfpints out of every 24 and it would cost me less. My real motivation is that I want to learn how to make syringes the best and get the technique down. Anyway, I digress, the real point is that most of the business that syringe companies get is from new growers. For the most part, new grows don't go fantastic and the hobby is abandoned forever or to be picked up later. First time I grew I ordered stuff, then grew for two months, then stopped for six months and just learned on here, and then got a free print from a contest and started back up. The point of this is that even if the government found a spore syringe in a package addressed to you, it's not enough evidence to do anything. Even if it raises suspicion, they know the same thing I just said: the people out there growing the amounts of mushrooms that they're looking for don't order from on-line suppliers. The real heat to be aware of is your local and county departments - they're the ones that would love to bust two ounces of mushrooms and call each .1 grams a dose so they can say they siezed $3K worth of mushrooms. I wouldn't worry too much; you sound like what I like to call "perfectly paranoid," the way one really has to be in this hobby to maintain safety.

python · 01-30-05, 00:55

you'll be fine.

Besides; you should be using a safe addy if you can........

LaughingDog · 02-22-05, 00:16

What do you consider a safe addy?

lost_onabbey_rd · 02-22-05, 02:56

one at which, should the FEDs happen to show up, doesn't have a closet full of popcorn cased in 50/50 peat/verm....
LOST

LaughingDog · 02-22-05, 20:01

Thanks for the clarification!

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 08:29

im not sure if any of you visit your dea's microgram,but in it they describe how a postal worker in montana (legal state)confiscated a spore syringe and turned it over to the dea.the dea then grew mushrooms using the syringe and said the person ordering the syringe was cahrged with intent to manufacture.
i would use your own prints if i were you.or trade for some in the market.

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 08:39

Quote:

they describe how a postal worker in montana (legal state)confiscated a spore syringe and turned it over to the dea.the dea then grew mushrooms using the syringe and said the person ordering the syringe was cahrged with intent to manufacture.

such cases are virtually unheard of,
in over 6 years i've never seen even one such.

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 10:49

The entry into microgram you speak of is the same incident where they seized the spores and used it as a basis to bust pf.

You won't find any other such cases anywhere.

02-25-05, 11:08

There really is not much to worry about, especially if u use a safe addy, but being paranoid in this arena is a gooooood thing, as Martha Stewart might say.
That would be cool....rather than a home and gardening show on TLC maybe we could start a mushroom cultivation show! Nah...I don't want our hobbies mainstream.

sinthetic · 02-25-05, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by skullfarmer

a postal worker in montana (legal state)confiscated a spore syringe and turned it over to the dea.the dea then grew mushrooms using the syringe and said the person ordering the syringe was cahrged with intent to manufacture.

I wonder how dea members learned how to cultivate mushrooms. perhaps they read teks on mycotopia.net

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 17:02

Actually, the professor included a growing book explaining the pf tek and how to use the syringe. Also he sold jars along with them, some didn't know about it but I'm pretty sure I've heard him say he did.

Thats pretty much how they got him. He wasn't selling spore syringes. He was selling psilocybe grow kits complete with all that was needed, even instructions.

skullfarmer · 02-25-05, 17:30

i didn't know that was pf. thanks for the xtra info. i have a weird obsession with the microgram. it's kind of like watching COPS on fox .you don't want to get busted ,but it sure is fun watching other people get busted.

I_am_me · 02-25-05, 18:02

Makes me sad to see anyone busted, even the "stupid" people.

Although reading the microgram can be informational.

02-25-05, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by skullfarmer

im not sure if any of you visit your dea's microgram,but in it they describe how a postal worker in montana (legal state)confiscated a spore syringe and turned it over to the dea.the dea then grew mushrooms using the syringe and said the person ordering the syringe was cahrged with intent to manufacture.
i would use your own prints if i were you.or trade for some in the market.

Actually the report never said anyone was "charged" bur rather the evidence was being used to build the case for intent.

I doubt any charges were actually filed as the only one breaking the law was the DEA themselves.

Hippie3 · 02-25-05, 19:38

Quote:

Also he sold jars along with them

not true,
at least not in recent history.
pf quit selling his jars many years before his arrest,
and strictly offered syringes and his booklet/TEK.

destroy_erase_improve · 02-26-05, 18:54

llama plenty of people swear by buying from vendors. the vendors here are good, and eventually your goal MAY be to become self sufficient. you can refine your syringe and print technique to the point of not ever having to buy from someone again. if anything you may have to trade for a new strain.

then again,, you may buy from vendors forever. i know at least five people on here personally that have no problem buying from them, and could care less about making their own (although they have the knowledge and means to do it themselves if they had too)

i say, buy at first, learn how to do it yourself, and then decide what you like more.

Lazlo · 02-26-05, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

not true,
at least not in recent history.
pf quit selling his jars many years before his arrest,
and strictly offered syringes and his booklet/TEK.

I started buying from PF at around 1996 and he never had any jars at that time. Maybe before.

I_am_me · 02-27-05, 00:16

I only heard him state that at some point he offered them, although they weren't in the catalog.

I have no idea as to when exactly he did though.

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02-22-05, 02:56	#7 (permalink)
lost_onabbey_rd The Lost Join Date: Apr 1972 Posts: 1,358	one at which, should the FEDs happen to show up, doesn't have a closet full of popcorn cased in 50/50 peat/verm.... LOST __________________ Plant a seed, It will grow, So it's been, Sow the show To think outside the box, sometimes it is nessecary to step, outside the box

02-25-05, 10:49	#11 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,365	The entry into microgram you speak of is the same incident where they seized the spores and used it as a basis to bust pf. You won't find any other such cases anywhere. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

02-25-05, 17:02	#14 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,365	Actually, the professor included a growing book explaining the pf tek and how to use the syringe. Also he sold jars along with them, some didn't know about it but I'm pretty sure I've heard him say he did. Thats pretty much how they got him. He wasn't selling spore syringes. He was selling psilocybe grow kits complete with all that was needed, even instructions. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

02-25-05, 18:02	#16 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,365	Makes me sad to see anyone busted, even the "stupid" people. Although reading the microgram can be informational. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

01-27-05, 21:01	#1 (permalink)
llama Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 202	Has anyone had a problem getting syringes through the mail into the US? I'd think a customs xray might result in the occasional seizure. Not something I want to mess with, and makes me more inclined to go with prints only, but maybe I'm just paranoid. -L

01-28-05, 09:42	#2 (permalink)
~taoist Guest Posts: n/a	They're legal in all states but GA CA and ID (no customs from state-to-state though) and I think are legal Federally so that should be cool. Even if it was illegal Customs would just confiscate it and send you a note that said they found and confiscated contraband that was sent to you, to keep being a good American, and have a nice day.

01-28-05, 11:54	#3 (permalink)
llama Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 202	Yeah, I know they're legal, but inept feds often seize legal goods. Still, it sounds like there aren't often troubles.

01-28-05, 12:46	#4 (permalink)
~taoist Guest Posts: n/a	Generally (I can see this post getting me in trouble already) newer growers order syringes - usually once one has grown a few mushrooms he/she has prints to continue growing or to trade on here for new ones. Granted, there are plenty of people who have been growing for years who will swear by spore suppliers, and for good reason; if I ordered syringes and didn't make them I'd save myself 4 contamed halfpints out of every 24 and it would cost me less. My real motivation is that I want to learn how to make syringes the best and get the technique down. Anyway, I digress, the real point is that most of the business that syringe companies get is from new growers. For the most part, new grows don't go fantastic and the hobby is abandoned forever or to be picked up later. First time I grew I ordered stuff, then grew for two months, then stopped for six months and just learned on here, and then got a free print from a contest and started back up. The point of this is that even if the government found a spore syringe in a package addressed to you, it's not enough evidence to do anything. Even if it raises suspicion, they know the same thing I just said: the people out there growing the amounts of mushrooms that they're looking for don't order from on-line suppliers. The real heat to be aware of is your local and county departments - they're the ones that would love to bust two ounces of mushrooms and call each .1 grams a dose so they can say they siezed $3K worth of mushrooms. I wouldn't worry too much; you sound like what I like to call "perfectly paranoid," the way one really has to be in this hobby to maintain safety.

01-30-05, 00:55	#5 (permalink)
python Virtuoso Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,652	you'll be fine. Besides; you should be using a safe addy if you can........

02-22-05, 00:16	#6 (permalink)
LaughingDog Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 127	What do you consider a safe addy?

02-22-05, 20:01	#8 (permalink)
LaughingDog Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 127	Thanks for the clarification!

02-25-05, 08:29	#9 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 162	im not sure if any of you visit your dea's microgram,but in it they describe how a postal worker in montana (legal state)confiscated a spore syringe and turned it over to the dea.the dea then grew mushrooms using the syringe and said the person ordering the syringe was cahrged with intent to manufacture. i would use your own prints if i were you.or trade for some in the market.

02-25-05, 11:08	#12 (permalink)
~dial8 Guest Posts: n/a	There really is not much to worry about, especially if u use a safe addy, but being paranoid in this arena is a gooooood thing, as Martha Stewart might say. That would be cool....rather than a home and gardening show on TLC maybe we could start a mushroom cultivation show! Nah...I don't want our hobbies mainstream.

02-25-05, 17:30	#15 (permalink)
skullfarmer Former Member Join Date: Dec 1972 Posts: 162	i didn't know that was pf. thanks for the xtra info. i have a weird obsession with the microgram. it's kind of like watching COPS on fox .you don't want to get busted ,but it sure is fun watching other people get busted.

02-26-05, 18:54	#19 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	llama plenty of people swear by buying from vendors. the vendors here are good, and eventually your goal MAY be to become self sufficient. you can refine your syringe and print technique to the point of not ever having to buy from someone again. if anything you may have to trade for a new strain. then again,, you may buy from vendors forever. i know at least five people on here personally that have no problem buying from them, and could care less about making their own (although they have the knowledge and means to do it themselves if they had too) i say, buy at first, learn how to do it yourself, and then decide what you like more. __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

02-27-05, 00:16	#21 (permalink)
I_am_me Masked Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,365	I only heard him state that at some point he offered them, although they weren't in the catalog. I have no idea as to when exactly he did though. __________________ Kindness is a cure.

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