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| Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 2006
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![]() | Teen kills friend while tripping http://www.news4jax.com/news/9902457...0425&qs=1;bp=t A foaf called me up and told me about this one. It was on the local news for him. Mushrooms are everywhere in BFE, Florida. I wish I could get more details. |
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...kill the will to kill...this sounds likes a Beavis and Butthead episode...note to self: do not hang around people who own guns when they are hallucinating...
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Here's a possibility: the dead guy got a little too friendly under the influence of shrooms and put the moves on his friend which ended up being a mortal error. I know someone whose friend made some insinuating comments while tripping, and this guy loves guns (the kind that shoot bullets), but after months of not being friends with the guy he finally let it go and now they're neighbors and friends again. I had another friend who got in a fight with his best friend after they had been drinking over something apparently trivial and he pulled a knife on him but ended up cutting an artery in his own leg by accident and then bleld to death on the way to the hospital. I would hate to be his best friend, I'm pretty sure it was something they would have both forgotten about in a few days. There may have been more to it than what they were technically fighting about, but that's all I heard from his old roommate.
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I grew up not far from where this happened,indeed,there are plenty of shroom fields in the area but like said before,there are proly underlying issues going on here.Sad for the family!
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Such a terrible terrible sad thing. Of course who knows maybe the mushroom thing is just his scape goat. Stupid Stupid Stupid!
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| Humble Student Join Date: Oct 2005
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i do not want to pretend i know what happened but this part of florida is very very rural and guns are everywhere. drinking, tripping, tweeking are common place and guns seem to always be around. people are always playing with them. i would say every 15 year old in this area has open access to shotguns, rifles and maybe pistols. it is just the way of life in these parts. sad but true
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that must of sucked being handcuffed and stuffed intoa car well tripping balls, i would freaked out to. As for the shooting it sounds deeper than they were tripping. mayb the parents shoulda gone and looked to see wtf was going on after they called the cops, especially since there house was getting trashed. if it were me i woulda beat both there asses if they were breaking my shot. probly coulda prevented it since they called the police befor the kid was shit. the parents shoulda be charged with neglegence since i believe the news said he was a minor.
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| Mushroom Muncher Join Date: Jul 2006
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I knew a guy who's girlfriend had just broke up with him, he threw a big party, when everyone showed up, he walked around the whole night carrying a shotgun, getting drunk. Scared the crap out of everyone... some people are just stupid enough to mix weapons with altered states...
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| Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006
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What I noticed in this story was the two pictures. One of the suspect, and the one of the victim. The media (intentionally or unintentionally) is portraying the suspect to look almost deranged when compaired to the picture of his former friend. I was trying to find this story elsewhere on the web and stumbled upon MSNBC (which had the same story word for word), put also had this interesting graphic with it. I could imagine it with some low, scary bassline, followed up by a terrified scream. What do you think?...
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| Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970
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I agree with all - this is truely sad! What really needs to change is the MEDIA coverage of this kind of tragedy... the MEDIA blows these rare incidents way out of proportion. It all based on their GREED to sell news. And guess who buys it?
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| Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970
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I can hear it now "If you take that shit it will fuck up your chromosones and your kids too!" Bullshit, remember that shit from the late 60's? I'm living proof that they were wrong... all my kids are fine and so is all the other peace and love culture folks I grew up with. The only thing I wish is that my body felt as young as my mind. Utter bullshit the media is and Apok is right on... the masses buy that shit - always have and always will.
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I would love to see a toxicology report to see the truth. I know that they probably ran blood test on both, since both went to the hospital after the shooting. Who gives thier children guns? Especially when they are eating hallucinagenic mushrooms? Does anyone know how to get ahold of the information for that murder case? Isnt that stuff public? I would love to go to that court room and see the facts.
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| Mycophage Join Date: Oct 2006
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when my buddy was traviling back from his tour in iraq he was able to stop in amsterdam for a bit. he bought some shrooms there thinking he had done enough to ignor the dosage they gave him and went for the 7g's(just to let people know, it is not always good to trip that hard after picking up the pieces of some 60 people after a bomb goes off ) so with the p.t.s.d. and the shrooms he was trying to jump out of his hotel room window. thank god and or lemmy he still was with his army buddies where able to tie him down to his bed. so the choice is up in the air do you want midly psycho or a raving looney toon. he showed me the pics of that bomb going off. any one wanting to join the army, think about what you will be seeing, smelling, and dreaming about for years after ie... pices of face stuck in a chain link fence. sorry for ranting on the wrong subject but im still like wtf? what is this all for?
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I just can't imagine getting violent on shrooms. Of course I am a really mellow and peaceful monkey...but if someone amplifyed the bad in themselves, striking out might be inevetable for some. Bad press all of a sudden for shrooms.
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Seriously.....it would be like, I dunno. Getting stoned and ending up in a bar fight. I just can't imagine it either.
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| Arrogant Asshole Join Date: Jan 1970
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Been stoned in several bar fights. Can't touch sloe gin to this day. I've seen someone develop a large hole due to a drunk w/a gun. If I'm all fucked up & someone drags out a gun to show off, I either get them to put it the hell away or bail. Some shit don't mix, hunters used to get REAL fucked up and many accidents came from that. And a picture of a man fucking a dead deer tied to a tree circulating around the 'net was almost definitely alcohol related.
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I hate comments like these its like the human aspect had nothing to do with it. personally i think they wer fighting there was damage in the house like there was a fight going on, i don't think he just picked up the gun and thought I'm gonna shoot my friend. the parents will probably get in trouble for not having the guns locked up but if i had anything to say about it they should have instructed Thar son in how Much damage a gun can do and how to safely handle them and install in them that every gun is loaded until otherwise proved. as far as the Medea goes we probably wont here any more about it unless you catch it on court TV
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Hey, why are you blaming it on guns? They are no more at fault than the shrooms. Less actually. It's people who don't handle them properly. Would they be blaming the black and decker or whoever if one had gotten a chainsaw? Having guns around while tripping is just darwin awards fodder in my opinion.
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First, I do believe that there were some underlying issues with these two boys. had a disagreement or there was some sub-conscience angst between them. Compound that with the fact that they were both not in the clearest states of mind and then add a gun into the mix. You are asking for something not so good to happen with this recipe. Second, YES... where were the parents? When I was a kid I remember my parents checking in on me if I had friends over and we got too loud. They would esp. check if they thought that their house was being torn to shit. Last, I don't know about the rest of you but I know that if I am going to trip, I take certain precautions. Like putting away dangerous things. I lock my apartment up for my own physical and mental safety. Turn off my cell phone so I don't trip out on the ring tones and I don't decide to call my boss at whatever time to inform him of the purple marmosets in various colored hats that are marching across my living room floor, up the walls and disappearing into the vast ceiling. I know my limitations. And I heed them. I can hardly handle the remote to the TV while trippin, let alone a gun. BTW, if I had a gun I might have tried to kill one of my purple marmosets and oh how I've grown to love them.
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well these kids had problems , man i hate people like that just do stupit stuff WHY WHY i must ask WHY? | |
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Few are moved to kill while in such a state unless it is really natural for them. And even then. One look from the marmoset & you may turn the gun on yourself out of shame. Now as for the parents, I can't outright blame them at all. At 16 & 17 you would hope they'd have a little sense. Trippin' with your parents home is probably one of the best ways to freak I can think of, anyway. Much worse than having to slide past them all fucked up & you get to the bedroom you're safe. And in a parental situation, you're all worried about what the other idiot is going to do to get you busted. He probably threatened to run naked into the living room, freaked his boy out because he strongly resembles Frankenstein, and got himself smoked. I have been involved in some strange shit (why does all the shit happen THEN?) trippin' and also know shock can kill. But (some) altered states also allows a certain control and calm to act as you know you should even when you're pretty out there. I think it also comes w/experience, as the first few times one is fragile and w/experience comes the ability to grab ahold of your head & lead the trip. Conversely, when you lose it trippin', there it goes... Which leads me to the fact that the experienced isolate themselves from stress when they dose high. You mentioned something in your post Grace, that makes me think of someone I mentioned this site to. If it's you I welcome you to the House of Hippie, if not I'll know in a bit. I'm almost sure, I'll go out on a limb here. How did Hips' jars & my advice work out for you(Python is fkn awesome!)? How long did you lurk here before you registered? I think most do so be honest. Hell, I almost got banned in my first posts, well before the efforts this place allowed me to materialize. Also, I wasn't the one that pissed in the cabinet under the sink, I was vomitting down the trash chute in the hall @ the time & the passed out girl can verify.
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Thank you for the warm welcome by the way. Been here for a bit just looking 'bout and getting into the feel of the site. By the way the jars were great as were the tips.Thx "Hell, I almost got banned in my first posts." I wouldn't expect any less of you lefty. "Also, I wasn't the one that pissed in the cabinet under the sink, I was vomitting down the trash chute in the hall @ the time & the passed out girl can verify." Please repeat above statement
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I have plenty of guns in my house and while tripping I didn't even realize I had them or I should put it this way that was the furthest thing in my mind. I have never had a bad trip so maybe I should just lock them up and give my wife the key when I plan on tripping. I think for the person to go to the extreme and shoot someone there was definatly some other issues going on. Guns and (most)drugs don't kill people irresponsible people kill other people or themselves.
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Maybe the guns should be unloaded before the trip begins. Put them in a box locked with a combination lock- let's see someone losin' their shit work a combo lock successfully, retrieve the ammo, load it, and shoot it before forgetting why exactly it was that they were trying to unlock the box in the first place. On second thought, the purple marmosets might wait until you are tripping before they attack- they know you'll just think they're hallucinations and not shoot them. Maybe a compromise is in order, hide the big guns but keep a .22 pistol handy in case the marmosets try this ploy. A .22 ought to take a marmoset.
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I've done alot of trips and never made me want to kill anybody. And I agree with dial8, enough shrooms to do that, and I'd be too disabled to even aim a gun. There were other issues here that the mushrooms maybe brought out or magnified.
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not that i want to start judging ppl by there looks, but those 2 look like they have some serious issues. u can read alot from peopls eyes, and i can tell you those two would b no friends of mine, just from the feeling i get from their eyes!
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Guns simply make it far easier to kill another person or oneself...you can kill them without ever touching them...I know i'm stating the obvious here...but to say guns don't kill people is like saying "the key didn't start the car, I did"....clearly the person needs the key and the key is of no value without a person...as has been said, you can't out run a bullet...we have a significant gun industry in this country which has an economic interest in having people own as many guns as they can sell them.
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