New privacy threat. BE SCARED.

[Caljet666]

Swim is paranoid now but nothin' compared to his tweaker days. All those days spent locked in his house, always lookin' over his back when he did leave, and God himself only knows how many goddamn mobile phones he wrecked cause the goddamn fuzz tapped them.

Swim got over all that though. He straightened himself out. He made ammends with the people he loved. And lastly, he rid himself of most of his god forsaken paranoia.

His paranoia was gone until NOW. It's back. The fuzz has nothin' on him anymore but that's not what he's paranoid about. It's big brother man. He's back into swim's mobile again.

Only now it's worse.

Ya see, the fuzz can send a goddamn phantom sms message or some s##t like that and it activates the microphone on YOUR mobile phone. Not only can they listen in on your calls, they can listen in on everything you do while your mobile is on. The only time they can't listen is when you turn it off. In effect you're carrying a goddamned bug with you everywhere.

SCARED? Ya should be.

Swim knows what your thinkin'. "He's still paranoid from all them years o' tweakin'."

Well..... Your wrong.

Want proof?

Here ya go: http://www.qando.net/ - The "roving bug" in your cellphone

This time the powers that be have gone tooooooo far.

They're after YOU

They're after ME

OH DEAR GOD NO!

Whatawegonnado?

Swims losin' it. He's gonna retire before he does his head in.

Just because your paranoid
Dont mean they're not after you - Kurt Cobain

[Seee]

did.. did i just watch a movie?

amazing font work!!

"That just happened." -Times magazine

all i wanna know: is my, still operational and in use, cordless phone
from 1996 safe from the lent?..- i mean fuzz.

Im sorry if im taking this too lightly, but i dont have/use a cell phone

[Seee]

also, some one commented that taking the battery out of a cell phone would basically solve this easedropping problem

but what if the recording device had its own mini-battery, hidden deep within the phones circuitry, totally undetectable *adds fuel to the fire*

This really seems to be something out of a detective movie tho..
You'd have to know who you were trying to record,
otherwise it would be just like fishing-
(grant it, if you knew where some "gangsters" hung out, it would be like fishing with a fish-finder)
-which i believe is impractical,
would require alot of monitoring man-hours (unless automated, but even then to make it useful, you'd have to know the time/date WHAT you were looking for)
and if you knew who you were trying to record,
why not disguise the microphone as a pen, or some other ordinary
everyday object

plus, what if the people that were being recorded used too much slang
or (drunkenly, stonedly) slurred their words, making most of the conversation unintelligible

[Mermaidia]

This is a bit dramatic for me. I'm not disagreeing as there is proof that it can be done. But I can't imagine the government spending all that money and man power just to take down an average person with a mini grow of some kind.

[Hippie3]

fear monger.
seems both sides play that game.

i grew up in a different world
but even then
old phones on landlines could be remotely activated.
lips can be read.
whispers can be heard by parabolic dish amplifiers.
even the windows of your house can be tagged by lasers
and computers can decipher what you are saying inside
as the sound waves cause the glass windows to vibrate slightly.

so
bottom line is
guard your tongue.
don't talk about shit that doesn't need to be said.

[Seee]

Hippie3 is also trained in ninjutsu!

Do you think there will come a day in our future where computers will be able to scan and digitally portray thoughts or memories? Well enough
to be used in a court of law? (I would say that unwillingness might put a damper on things, but with sodium thiopental or something similar, only the strongest of will and mind would be able to stop it)

The talk of lasers reading vibrations gave me that thought for some reason

[Hippie3]

Do you think there will come a day in our future where computers will be able to scan and digitally portray thoughts or memories?

yes, pretty soon too.
but it's short-range, requiring physical contact
so i don't think we'll see it at airport security kiosk
in the next dozen years.
but eventually, sure- science is well on its' way to a fool-proof lie detector or memory reader/scanner.

[Nabby]

This is nothing new, I've been hearing talk of this for the past couple years... the gov't can do a lot to monitor you, and not that I mean to go all conspiracy theorist on you, but the major federal invistigators have a lot more technology at their disposal than they let everyone know about. There is no real privacy any more, and the real trick is just to keep a low profile. There's too many people in the US for them to bother with every small fry.

[MrMerlin]

Wanna know what you can use that now redundant spy-funnel for? And at the same time piss off the carols?

Make em bake; Wymsey Weekend: A Guide to Mobile Cooking

Boojah!

[seymorebunz]

You just never know when you might need to boil an egg with a couple of cell phones....

Thanks for sharing.....

[Caljet666]

Haha.

Swims not really that paranoid. He's got nothin' to hide these days. He felt like bein' a drama queen last night obviously.

Still, he believes that privacy is being taken away at a very alarming rate.

Thanx for the replies guys

Peace

[Doctor D]

TV introduced this topic 4 months ago; see thread below:

http://forums.mycotopia.net/resist-r...ping-tool.html (FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool)

Originally Posted by Hippie3

bottom line
if the FBI has set up a 'roving tap' on YOU
then you are already fucked,
they are just gathering the loose ends.
don't become a target and this is not a problem.
low profile , my friend-
it's a way of life.

[Caljet666]

Swims behind the times.... Again!

[motograter]

Like hippie said, Don't talk about things that don't need to be said.
If you don't want people to know what you're doing, don't tell anyone. Easy as that. There's VERY few people who know what I do in my personal life. Only friends that I've known since I was 2 know what I do. And I know for fact I can trust them with my life.

[Invader Zim]

using bluetooth technology i can personaly tap into a persons cell phone with a laptop given i am within range. the implications? not to mention i can force your phone to call another phone and turn YOUR speaker phone on (which allows me to hear whatever is going on around you) but i can also download your number database...recent calls...txt messages..pictures/video's youve taken with your phone etc..etc..

this is not new technology..as long as bluetooth has been in phones this has been possible.
i know you put a password on your bluetooth on your phone, but there are many applications i can use to bruteforce said password. really its only like 4-6 characters alpha/numeric.

for many many years peeps have been able to listen in on cellphone calls using off the shelf rf modulation gear. mostly from radioshack, given $100 i could listen in to just about any cellphone conversation within 800' or more of me.

read up on kevin mitnick. read 2600. 2600: The Hacker Quarterly. listen to off the hook also from 2600.com.

the best intelegence is counter intelegence.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Seee

You'd have to know who you were trying to record,
otherwise it would be just like fishing-
(grant it, if you knew where some "gangsters" hung out, it would be like fishing with a fish-finder)

[apokalypse]

I have one of those phones.. time to disable upgrades!

[apokalypse]

Just had an idea, you can get something like CDMA FLASHING ANTENNA "DRAGON" - CDMA Flashing Antennas by SVC Inc. for CDMA or GSM. It's a light you hang off your phone that will light up when a call is in progress. That way you'd know if someone's spying on you

[Invader Zim]

interesting thought......a bit overly paranoid but interesting. i doubt with the FBI trick the phone would register as being in a call (im not really sure to the validity of the feds being able to activley turn on a mic on your cellphone...will have to check on it) but it would work for the bluetooth hack, tho you'd have to be watching your antennae at all times....i think it would be easier to just turn bluetooth off

[apokalypse]

My guess of the way that the antenna light works is that it's designed for either CDMA/GSM, and when a necessary signal eminating from your cell phone exists with the base station (cell tower), such as when a text message or phone call occurs. It's just detecting the RF radiation coming out of the transmitter the antenna connects to.

I think the FBI trick would register as a call and light up because aside from bluetooth, or the walkie-talkie network (though it might be just the same as GSM/CDMA), that's the only way they could hear what is being said. The article says they have the ability to download firmware when a command is sent.. so they just upload their secret firmware that allows them to transmit without showing its in a call. I wonder what happens if that person tries to make a call, I guess it'd be 3-way calling

[TVCasualty]

How about a sensor between the battery and the phone that detects when a draw is placed on the battery and lights an LED or something? That would be a relatively easy project for someone already good at electronics, and the easiest wires on the PCB of the phone to splice.

Or a thick neoprene cellphone cozy that muffles the microphone and protects the phone from breaking if dropped might be the lowest-tech solution (second to keeping one's mouth shut, but sometimes one doesn't know what one shouldn't be saying).

Still, this is pretty low on my list of real threats of concern, falling somewhere between my fear of getting busted for copying a CD and my concern about the asteroid close-encounter in 2032.

[apokalypse]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

Still, this is pretty low on my list of real threats of concern, falling somewhere between my fear of getting busted for copying a CD and my concern about the asteroid close-encounter in 2032.

sad but true

[Invader Zim]

yea your right..the odds are low. but u know the bluetooth hack is the same way paris hiltons phones number list, pics, and video's got on the internet heh

[apokalypse]

I thought it was through the t-mobile website, since she kept using her dogs name as her secret question MacDevCenter.com -- How Paris Got Hacked?

[TVCasualty]

Yeah, I've heard hackers mention that if you know someone's kids' names and the names of all the family pets that you can often get into a lot of their password-protected accounts (and the word "whitehouse" for some reason was also a very common password). I always use "ABC123," but please don't tell anyone.

Security is a funny thing. 99.99% of the time, locks and passwords serve mainly to annoy the person seeking to be secured. A good burglar can get in our house faster then we can (and we have a key!), so it's about not appearing on crooks' radar in the first place. Also, not being Paris Hilton is a good way to increase your security, I'd say, however if someone really bugs her she could just have them killed, I'm sure, so really she is secure even with her phone leaking juice everywhere.

[Nabby]

FRONTLINE: spying on the home front: interviews: mark klein | PBS

Very interesting stuff about the gov't monitoring what you're doing...