Stop Press. I am now a criminal like you

News just in: The British Government have finally sealed the coffin on the once legal magic mushroom trade in Britain. As of today I (a FOAF) am a criminal like all of you and potentially face 7yrs in prison.

Im sure they are happy now that they have driven a once controllable marked underground into the hands of drug dealers.

It just swell that they rushed the bill through parliment with scare tactics instead of consulting specialists/experts/scientific reports (ie.the dutch CAM report). Had this been done properly, we as a society could have been able to move forward toward better drug reforms that would go some way to helping the problem instead of making it worse.

We have today taken a step backwards in our evolution. If we had won we may have started something that could have had an effect on the USA one day, this hope is now gone.

I thank the mushroom gods for bringing me to this website and teaching me the way..

I thank you all for reading.....

sorry to hear that. fools, they are.

[the_other_chap]

Really? Do you have any links to the news?
As far as I know, the amendment to the bill was likely to be lost in this session due to lack of time.
Only yesterday, the Tories were saying "something has to be done".

[whitedeath]

Wow....I really am sorry to hear that. I don't know if winning this would have affected the US though; sometimes this country seems pretty hopeless when it comes to being open-minded.

for info check www.magicmushroomforum.co.uk

Its a real bummer. In fact it seems an awfully supicious manner in which it was rushed though, not allowing proper research or debate. Something about it that makes me suspect bush may approve.
Read this letter from one of the lords to a fellow grower (No.10 referres to 10 downing street - home of Mr. Blair)


Thank you for your kind comments.
*
I'm afraid we achieved very little, except to register our discontent, both with the contents of the Bill, and the process of its passage.
*
There has to be a certain amount of 'give and take' in Parliament, or it would grind to a halt. We all know that the 'wash-up' process of passing Bills en bloc in the days before we are Dissolved before an Election is not entirely satisfactory, and we accept that. But equally, while we are adversarial, we have to be open with each other: and we were all given the distinct impression that the Drugs Bill was to be dropped. It suddenly got its 2nd Reading on Monday - when only 3 back-benchers were able to speak, and 48 hours later it was pushed through all its remaining stages, without any warning, thus denying us the opportunity to examine the Bill in detail, or raise the concerns of outside individuals and organisations. In 18 years in the House, I have never heard of this happening: it is an example of Blair's contempt for Parliament - and my understanding is that this was not a Home Office inspired Bill (I gather they were pretty unhappy about it), but a product of No 10.
*
So last night was just my pathetic attempt to raise some of those concerns. David Cobbold should not really have divided the House, as only Labour back-benchers were around, so we could not possibly have won, but I was interested to see that we got the votes of Lord Waddington, a former Home Secretary under Thatcher, and Viscount Ullswater, a former Govt Chief Whip under Thatcher, so perhaps, slowly, the 'establishment' is coming our way.
*
Regards,
Mancroft



mmmmmmm

[rocketman]

any loss of rights in any country is a loss for everyone with our interests worldwide. i had hoped some enlightenment would rub off on our u.s. but it seems the opposite has occurred. we all took one from this, and the ramifications always have a wide reaching rippling effect. we must press on.

[Davet]

Major bummer. We do live in a dark time, but we must all stand up for what we believe. Don't let the mind controllers win.

Peace,

DaveT

[rocketman]

any loss of rights in any country is a loss for everyone with our interests worldwide. i had hoped some enlightenment would rub off on our u.s. but it seems the opposite has occurred. we all took one from this, and the ramifications always have a wide reaching rippling effect. we must press on. oh yes and btw, welcome to the world of criminality for the sake of a healing medicine. a fine feeling isnt it....anyway all of you be careful.

rocket

p.s. what is the charge for possession and manufacturing now?

[I_am_me]

Fuck it. Almost everything I enjoy is illegal.

thanks for the repsponce. It is indeed a dark time and we now have something in common. I am hoping we can slowly bring togeather the worldwide communities of mushroomers like a network of mycelium. Then one day we will spring forth from the shadows and fruit.

i think ill have a little trip right now in fact... wish me luck (my last legal trip)

[whitedeath]

good luck...have fun And be a rebel. lol

[max]

Everybody should have seen that coming, I was really surprised they made it legal in the first place! As for any 'openmindness' rubbing off on the US, dream on...lol! When Canada talked of decriminalizing pot all we got was flack from the US and threats of long border line-ups as they check us closer even though we would only be following the lead of several US states that had already decriminalized pot!

i am so miserable.. its a if this fucking godam thing had to happen and ruin a potentially ok day.. I am in hell

dont even get me started on prison sentences
AHHHHHH
ANGUISH

[ill eagle]

I had a feeling this mushroom issue in Britain was partially to cozy up to the states.
It seemed the major reason sited by Canadian politicitians for not de-criminalizing pot was that they didn't want to upset the U.S.
Pot is still illegal but look on the bright side, they're handing out free crack kits and setting up safe injection sites for heroin addicts. Curiouser and curiouser indeed.

[~Hippie3]

the mere passage of a law
isn't enough to make you a
criminal like me,
that takes years of practice.

[Soliver1]

Besides, if it wasn't illegal it wouldn't be as much fun
Anyone growing for personal use and not crazily or for profit
shouldn't be affected directly - much the same here.
People rarely get busted for simply growing a patch of shrooms,
it always seems that the police came in for a pot or other illicit
substance call and found a sack of shrooms.

Every now and again someone gets nabbed with a huge sack of
chocolates or something, but that's back to the "low-key" issue...

I'm honestly surprised this took so long to happen,
I don't mean to make light of a seriously bad occurance,
but considering England's seemingly (to me, an American at least) sporadic
application of strict control, this has been a long train coming...

Combat it by sharing the knowledge and spreading what you know in a
safe manner, like we try to do here at the 'topia.
Laws are useless if the population is bent in one direction
and has the ability to adapt, overcome.

Christ, I'm starting to ramble aimlessly.

take care,

sol

[carpo4]

i'm also a little suprised at the government's approach
to the questions posed by the psilocybin-explosion on the uk's highstreets.
being prone to conspiratorial musings
i wouldn't mind betting this was all orchestrated
to engineer a social response which would work in the authorities favour.
something like this, perhaps:

1) give all requests for the sale of psilocybin-containing mushrooms the go-ahead, knowing full well that at some later stage the decision will be reversed, leaving those with a vested interest exposed and irate.
2) hide behind the vague wording of the drug laws as cover for why no action is being taken to stop the trade and fudge responsibility from one governmental department to the next.
3) rub hands with glee as concerned parents look on with horror at the ease with which their offspring can get hold of this mind-altering substance from those unscrupulous drug-fiends.
4) bask in the knowledge that a small percentage of the populations minds are being sensitized to psychotropic visions, in particular the media/propaganda image-makers, who utilize the visions to advance their own craft and the social impact of their employers cause.
4) once the experiment has run it's pre-destined course, don shining armour and leap swiftly onto ones horse, vowing to eradicate the abomination.
5) begin making a few arrests to appease concerned parties.
6) quickly push through a change in the law to come out smelling of (labour) roses and, oh look, just in time for an election as well.

conspiratorial nonsense aside
i'm not suprised by the government's line on this issue
as they have to be seen to be doing the right thing by the electorate.
so i think the best approach the underground movement can take
with regards to all non-highstreet botanicals
is to keep its public profile invisible and not give the authorities reason to act against it.

personally speaking,
as a lone uk cultivator
who's been growing since the days when psilocybin cultivation was,
to my mind at least,
not legal in this country,
this tightening of the laws makes not one jot of difference to me.
i think there's a lot to be said for home cultivation.
not only is it relatively easy compared to, say, mj
but it can also provide an opportunity to work with it's energies
over time and at leisure,
without all the uncertainties, variables and compulsions inherent in purchase from an outside agency.

[grimblegrumble]

My condolences.
Think on the bright side though.
Underground is perhaps where it belongs.
If delegalization had never occurred anywhere,
this place probably wouldn't exist,
and most here would probably not be doing what they do.
Someday,in the future perhaps,
we may look back on this as something necessary to push it all on the next level.

[destroy_erase_improve]

welcome to the club

[shedthemonkey]

I would have to argue that doing something against the law does not necessarily make one a criminal. An unjust law, or one that is not in the public interest is almost begging to be ignored and subverted by those who beleive that their freedoms should not be abridged just so some wanker (or entire wanker party) can look "Tough on drugs". Bah!! But of course I am preaching to the choir (or is that coir). I think the ritualistic and stealthy breaking of these crap laws makes one truely patriotic in the sense that one must push back against the opressors in what ways one can.

Just my tuppence.

[~Hippie3]

doing something against the law does not necessarily make one a criminal.

true dat,
one has to be caught first

[Zen]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

the mere passage of a law
isn't enough to make you a
criminal like me,
that takes years of practice.

lol, isn't that true.

[phalanx]

Liberty caps grow wild in the british isles so its not that bad even if you can't grow yourself

[Lefty]

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