Whats the solution for gas prices? - Page 4

aumbrellaforainydays · 06-09-08, 14:26

a monorail, from Springfield to NY and from Springfield to LA!

substrate18 · 06-09-08, 14:44

http://www.sustainablelifemedia.com/...c_cars_by_2010

The base msrp speculated by VW is 30,000 which is an affordable car and will save you tons of money on gas in the long run.Im skeptical as to how these cars will be maintained and the price ranges for maintenance if needed when let's say a warranty expires.I know other car companies have began producing lithium ion battery powered cars before VW but it looks promising

malefacter · 06-09-08, 16:54

http://hydrogengenerator.cc/index.php

im still skeptical but if you guys are interested here is a forum i found on those hydrogen generator things and free plans on how to make them

aumbrellaforainydays · 06-09-08, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by substrate18

http://www.sustainablelifemedia.com/...c_cars_by_2010

The base msrp speculated by VW is 30,000 which is an affordable car and will save you tons of money on gas in the long run.Im skeptical as to how these cars will be maintained and the price ranges for maintenance if needed when let's say a warranty expires.I know other car companies have began producing lithium ion battery powered cars before VW but it looks promising

i say about time VW and Nissan start to capitalize on Tesla's common-sense.

BlacHaze · 06-09-08, 21:59

The solution for high gas prices is "PAY AT THE PUMP"!

Oblivion · 06-10-08, 05:05

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Originally Posted by BlacHaze

The solution for high gas prices is "PAY AT THE PUMP"!

When they started to make me pay at the pump, I stopped going in for any snacks, pop or beer. Bad enough with the gas prices, but now were all branded thieves.
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TVCasualty · 06-10-08, 08:16

Well, they don't exactly stack the candy and beer outside where we can stop, load up, and drive off easily without paying like we can with the gas. A lot of people do drive off, and business owners gotta do what they gotta do to stay in business. So, what I've done for my own convenience is buy my gas at one of the few remaining locally-owned mom and pop stores as often as possible; the kind with fewer glaring lights, less selection of inedible "snacks," non-pristine bathrooms (though those are now rare everywhere), etc. The guy who's always there knows me now so I just park, wave at him, he turns on my pump and it's just like the good old days (except for the price). He's also let me buy some gas within 1 minute of closing time (after he'd already locked the door) when I really needed to get on the road in a hurry, so being a regular at an independent local business can really pay off.

Hippie3 · 06-10-08, 10:02

i don't mind pre-pay, easy with a CC - saves a walk inside.
i don't see it as saying i'm a thief-
more like others are thieves .
my neighbor locks his door too
but i don't take it personal-
just a sign of the times.

dice4717 · 06-10-08, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

So, what I've done for my own convenience is buy my gas at one of the few remaining locally-owned mom and pop stores as often as possible; the kind with fewer glaring lights, less selection of inedible "snacks," non-pristine bathrooms (though those are now rare everywhere), etc.

There is few gas stations like this around here anymore, but I also use these, funny you said this the one I go to most has Beef Jerky from the early 90's, dont sell bread anymore cause it all got mold, and the bath rooms I would never go into lol.

suckerfree · 06-10-08, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Hippie3

i don't mind pre-pay, easy with a CC - saves a walk inside.

how come they don't have pre-pay with cash? a bill machine for those who use cash and don't want to walk inside....

Hippie3 · 06-10-08, 11:06

good idea-
open a chain of those and get $$$$

AmBe · 06-10-08, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by suckerfree

how come they don't have pre-pay with cash? a bill machine for those who use cash and don't want to walk inside....

while I know they aren't commonplace, I have seen one. there were just pumps in a lot, no building or employees, and cash was an option.
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warriorsoul · 06-10-08, 11:09

Ive seen them at a few places now.

Oblivion · 06-10-08, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

The guy who's always there knows me now so I just park, wave at him, he turns on my pump and it's just like the good old days (except for the price). He's also let me buy some gas within 1 minute of closing time (after he'd already locked the door) when I really needed to get on the road in a hurry, so being a regular at an independent local business can really pay off.

Same here. They've let me pump 1/2 hour early once. They were pre pay for years but just this year they even make their employees prepay. I understand why, Its just one of those things. When you're mad, every little thing pisses you off. You know what I mean?

TVCasualty · 06-11-08, 09:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

good idea-
open a chain of those and get $$$$

Better idea- put a chain around one of those; yank it off it's base and get $$$!

I'm kidding, but what I think might be cheaper (here's to hoping they'll pass the savings on to us!) would be to install those vacuum tube things we use at the bank drive through- no fancy computer tech to buy, install, then watch break and no quirky bill readers that don't read some of our bills forcing a walk inside anyway... The cashier would not be doing anything any different, just sending the change back through the tube. It'd be safer for the cashier too, especially at night.

Lazlo · 06-11-08, 10:24

Oil inventories are down another 4.6 million barrels. I've heard prices could be $142 a barrel by the end of the day. Ouch!

dice4717 · 06-11-08, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by suckerfree

how come they don't have pre-pay with cash? a bill machine for those who use cash and don't want to walk inside....

Around here some of the rutters gas stations have pre pay pumps were you pay with cash. Pretty cool idea.

thatgreenthumb · 06-12-08, 12:15

what ever happened to all that oil that we went to Iraq for? haha

FDK · 06-12-08, 13:10

Step 1: WE win the war on drugs,

Step 2: massive hemp fields spring up

Step 3: Bio-diesel

Too bad for us to Win the War on drugs would require alot of non-violent pseudo-pacafistic individuals to take up arms and fight them on their own terms... (My opinion on it at least, too much $$$ and power held over the Sheeple to be lost by those keeping it illegal for them to surrender to common sense thru legislation. Great, now I'm depressed and have no bud...

)

Hey, a Guy can dream can't he?

thatgreenthumb · 06-12-08, 13:45

im dreaming with ya FDK but it looks like a long way to go.

It is depressing that new laws are only making it harder for a "common" person to get into office. It's ensuring the jobs for those already in office because no one can afford to run against them.

malefacter · 06-12-08, 14:03

buy gas early in the morning before the sun comes up when its cooler and more dense you get more for your money

bugs · 06-12-08, 19:30

My boss announced today that he's leaving for a new job. He's going to a young (5 year old) company with what sounds like a hell of a product.

It's an energy storage device (aka battery) that

Has 10X the energy density of a lead-acid battery
Uses only plastic, zinc, and salt water so it's totally recyclable and won't hurt the environment

This guy is no fool, one of the brightest people I've known. The main market for these things is power companies to even out the load; charge during light load periods and draw during heavy demand.

Currently their main product is huge, each one filling a big tractor trailer. But the technology works, doesn't and won't pollute, and is probably adaptable to things like hybrid cars, wind power systems etc.

It's really real. They're selling like hotcakes to big utilities.

That's all I know. Just heard about this today. But it sounds like they're at the right place at the right time.

TVCasualty · 06-12-08, 20:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by FDK

Hey, a Guy can dream can't he?

Sorry, that is incorrect. Your dreams have been reported to the appropriate agency for review. You are hereby ordered to not leave the state until this review is completed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatgreenthumb

what ever happened to all that oil that we went to Iraq for? haha

We're there to rain democracy down upon them, not take their oil. The news said so.

Bugs: That's really interesting stuff. Batteries for the grid?

Those gotta be some hoss batteries. If you could get your former boss to show off about his new job and send you some pics that you could post here, I'd really like to check 'em out and hear more about how they work.

aumbrellaforainydays · 06-12-08, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

We're there to rain democracy down upon them, not take their oil. The news said so.

so now that they have freedom, they have freedom to refuse to pump more oil. or at least freedom to sell it for a similar price their neighbors are selling it for, or they and their neighbors know how to really grab americans by their balls.

Doctor D · 06-12-08, 21:26

As OPEC maintains, there is enough oil being produced right now to meet demand. More supply is not warranted. A lot of the blame for gas prices is being placed on speculators who are intentionally driving up the cost of oil to make a profit.

Gee... didn't we just have this problem in our housing market? WTF?

There is currently an "Enron loophole" that is allowing energy speculators to trade energy futures without regulation. Hopefully that will change, soon though. I believe I read that Congress affixed a measure to close the Enron loophole in the latest farm bill that we're waiting for Bush to veto (and then, Congress to override).

Hopefully once the energy speculators are in check, we'll at least know how much of our oil prices are indeed due to greedy speculators and how much are due to actual market supply and demand.

CoyoteMesc · 06-15-08, 02:19

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The Saudis said they would increase production if customers demanded it, Steven Hadley, Bush's national security adviser, said.
Ali al-Naimi, the Saudi oil minister, on Friday said the country had increased its production by 300,000 barrels a day on May 10 in response to customer requests.
Al-Naimi said the increased production would bring Saudi Arabia's daily production to 9.45 million barrels per day by June.
Bush is spending much of the day in closed-door meetings with King Abdullah, the Saudi ruler.
Friday's visit was Bush's second trip to the kingdom this year, coming as oil prices reached a new record high Friday of more than $127 a barrel. When he traveled to Riyadh in January, his request for the Saudis to pump more oil was also rejected.

Oil prices were just below $100 a barrel in January, and Americans were paying an average of $3.06 for a gallon of gasoline. They were paying $3.78 on Friday, following more than week of record highs every day.
"Clearly, the price of gas is too high for Americans, and it's causing a hardship for many families of low income. But it also is not allowing our economy to grow as strong as it could," spokeswoman Dana Perino said en route to Saudi Arabia.
"One of the best ways to have lower prices is if there was a better calibration between the laws of supply and demand. We have little -- not enough supply, and too high demand. Trying to get more
supply out there is good for everyone," she said.

But Saudi Arabia -- and many economists -- say the high prices are a result of market speculation, the weak dollar, and demand from the developing world rather than a shortage of supply.
"We will raise production when the market justifies it. This is our policy," al-Naimi said during Bush's first visit in January. "Our interest is to hopefully keep supply matching demand with minimum volatility in the international oil market," he added.

Saudi Arabia maintains spare production capacity of about 2 million barrels per day use when there is "an unexpected need," al-Naimi said in January.
Bush will also discuss oil industry security and peaceful nuclear cooperation with the Saudis. The trip, part of a Middle East tour that began in Israel and will continue to Egypt, marks the 75th anniversary of diplomatic relations between Washington and Riyadh.

They aren't running out, they're getting rich cause they can.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...bia/index.html

Hippie3 · 06-15-08, 08:53

if it were your oil
would you give it away ?

Lazlo · 06-15-08, 11:06

There's been a lot of talk among the G8 about getting the production up and prices lowered. I believe there's a meeting with the Saudi's and the UN s.g. going to happen on the 22nd about the problem. There's a lot of fear that these prices are going to halt global growth even worse than it is.

CoyoteMesc · 06-15-08, 11:08

heh, I would like to think there should be no reason to raise the price per barrel.

I just dont know everything involved, Ill be honest. Hell most of us here dont. But all I keep hearing is how we are running out of oil. I hear the prices of gas in the mid-east are so much less than ours. Its like we had no vaseline handed to us. Then I hear these words coming out of the mouth of (maybe even the largest) oil suppliers; "high prices are a result of market speculation, the weak dollar, and demand from the developing world rather than a shortage of supply."

I mean damn, what do we do. Pat 'em on the back for being honest?

Lazlo · 06-15-08, 11:14

Well even the Saudi's realize that prices are just too damn high globally. So we'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully a decent resolution.

CoyoteMesc · 06-15-08, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazlo

Well even the Saudi's realize that prices are just too damn high globally. So we'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully a decent resolution.

I got the same feeling yesterday reading all of this. I just couldnt tell if it was from desperations and hanging on to the Saudi's words..lol

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06-09-08, 14:26	#151 (permalink)
aumbrellaforainydays Grim times Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,208	a monorail, from Springfield to NY and from Springfield to LA! Attached Thumbnails __________________ We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression...

06-09-08, 16:54	#153 (permalink)
malefacter :P Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 877	http://hydrogengenerator.cc/index.php im still skeptical but if you guys are interested here is a forum i found on those hydrogen generator things and free plans on how to make them __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; third, it is accepted as self-evident

06-10-08, 08:16	#157 (permalink)
TVCasualty Embrace Your Damage Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,722	Well, they don't exactly stack the candy and beer outside where we can stop, load up, and drive off easily without paying like we can with the gas. A lot of people do drive off, and business owners gotta do what they gotta do to stay in business. So, what I've done for my own convenience is buy my gas at one of the few remaining locally-owned mom and pop stores as often as possible; the kind with fewer glaring lights, less selection of inedible "snacks," non-pristine bathrooms (though those are now rare everywhere), etc. The guy who's always there knows me now so I just park, wave at him, he turns on my pump and it's just like the good old days (except for the price). He's also let me buy some gas within 1 minute of closing time (after he'd already locked the door) when I really needed to get on the road in a hurry, so being a regular at an independent local business can really pay off. __________________ The danger of an adventure is worth a thousand days of ease and comfort- Paulo Coelho

06-10-08, 10:02	#158 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 35,335	i don't mind pre-pay, easy with a CC - saves a walk inside. i don't see it as saying i'm a thief- more like others are thieves . my neighbor locks his door too but i don't take it personal- just a sign of the times. __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-09-08, 14:44	#152 (permalink)
substrate18 Mycophiliac Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13	http://www.sustainablelifemedia.com/...c_cars_by_2010 The base msrp speculated by VW is 30,000 which is an affordable car and will save you tons of money on gas in the long run.Im skeptical as to how these cars will be maintained and the price ranges for maintenance if needed when let's say a warranty expires.I know other car companies have began producing lithium ion battery powered cars before VW but it looks promising

06-09-08, 21:59	#155 (permalink)
BlacHaze Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 261	The solution for high gas prices is "PAY AT THE PUMP"!

06-10-08, 11:06	#161 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 35,335	good idea- open a chain of those and get $$$$ __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-10-08, 11:09	#163 (permalink)
warriorsoul xxx Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,312	Ive seen them at a few places now. __________________ As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it. Einstein

06-11-08, 10:24	#166 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,916	Oil inventories are down another 4.6 million barrels. I've heard prices could be $142 a barrel by the end of the day. Ouch! __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

06-12-08, 12:15	#168 (permalink)
thatgreenthumb Mycoholic Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 67	what ever happened to all that oil that we went to Iraq for? haha __________________ "Each generation must recreate liberty for its own times. Whether or not we establish freedom rests with ourselves."

06-12-08, 13:10	#169 (permalink)
FDK Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 339	Step 1: WE win the war on drugs, Step 2: massive hemp fields spring up Step 3: Bio-diesel Too bad for us to Win the War on drugs would require alot of non-violent pseudo-pacafistic individuals to take up arms and fight them on their own terms... (My opinion on it at least, too much $$$ and power held over the Sheeple to be lost by those keeping it illegal for them to surrender to common sense thru legislation. Great, now I'm depressed and have no bud... ) Hey, a Guy can dream can't he?

06-12-08, 13:45	#170 (permalink)
thatgreenthumb Mycoholic Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 67	im dreaming with ya FDK but it looks like a long way to go. It is depressing that new laws are only making it harder for a "common" person to get into office. It's ensuring the jobs for those already in office because no one can afford to run against them. __________________ "Each generation must recreate liberty for its own times. Whether or not we establish freedom rests with ourselves."

06-12-08, 14:03	#171 (permalink)
malefacter :P Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 877	buy gas early in the morning before the sun comes up when its cooler and more dense you get more for your money __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; third, it is accepted as self-evident

06-12-08, 19:30	#172 (permalink)
bugs VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,018	Just heard this today... My boss announced today that he's leaving for a new job. He's going to a young (5 year old) company with what sounds like a hell of a product. It's an energy storage device (aka battery) that Has 10X the energy density of a lead-acid battery Uses only plastic, zinc, and salt water so it's totally recyclable and won't hurt the environment This guy is no fool, one of the brightest people I've known. The main market for these things is power companies to even out the load; charge during light load periods and draw during heavy demand. Currently their main product is huge, each one filling a big tractor trailer. But the technology works, doesn't and won't pollute, and is probably adaptable to things like hybrid cars, wind power systems etc. It's really real. They're selling like hotcakes to big utilities. That's all I know. Just heard about this today. But it sounds like they're at the right place at the right time. __________________ Not all who wander are lost.

06-12-08, 21:26	#175 (permalink)
Doctor D (Not a real doctor) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,279	As OPEC maintains, there is enough oil being produced right now to meet demand. More supply is not warranted. A lot of the blame for gas prices is being placed on speculators who are intentionally driving up the cost of oil to make a profit. Gee... didn't we just have this problem in our housing market? WTF? There is currently an "Enron loophole" that is allowing energy speculators to trade energy futures without regulation. Hopefully that will change, soon though. I believe I read that Congress affixed a measure to close the Enron loophole in the latest farm bill that we're waiting for Bush to veto (and then, Congress to override). Hopefully once the energy speculators are in check, we'll at least know how much of our oil prices are indeed due to greedy speculators and how much are due to actual market supply and demand.

06-15-08, 08:53	#177 (permalink)
Hippie3 Admin Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 35,335	if it were your oil would you give it away ? __________________ GROW SUPPLIES: www.Mycrotopia.com ------------Simply The Best------------ Namaste Temet Nosce

06-15-08, 11:06	#178 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,916	There's been a lot of talk among the G8 about getting the production up and prices lowered. I believe there's a meeting with the Saudi's and the UN s.g. going to happen on the 22nd about the problem. There's a lot of fear that these prices are going to halt global growth even worse than it is. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?

06-15-08, 11:08	#179 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc KEY MASTER Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,191	heh, I would like to think there should be no reason to raise the price per barrel. I just dont know everything involved, Ill be honest. Hell most of us here dont. But all I keep hearing is how we are running out of oil. I hear the prices of gas in the mid-east are so much less than ours. Its like we had no vaseline handed to us. Then I hear these words coming out of the mouth of (maybe even the largest) oil suppliers; "high prices are a result of market speculation, the weak dollar, and demand from the developing world rather than a shortage of supply." I mean damn, what do we do. Pat 'em on the back for being honest? __________________ "well, since you asked so very fuckin' nicely, sure!" ~H3

06-15-08, 11:14	#180 (permalink)
Lazlo old hand Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 6,916	Well even the Saudi's realize that prices are just too damn high globally. So we'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully a decent resolution. __________________ How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your MEAT?