Detainees Drugged For Deportation

[grace]

I know deportation has been a hot topic and discussed in various threads. I don't want to start another debate over the pro's/con's etc but I had to vent a bit. I heard about this story today, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv.../cwc_d4p1.html) and find it to be a disgusting practice. Whether you are for or against deportation of illegal persons, I think we can all agree that drugging a person with psych meds even though they do not have a mental illness is horrific. (Esp. if you have any idea of the effects and possible side effects of these drugs). The only purpose of using these drugs in this situation is for sedation. Effective but come on...

[Beastmaster]

Involuntary chemical restraint of detainees, unless there is a medical justification, is a violation of some international human rights codes.

I can see where it might be a very useful tactic, not a single one of those detainees wants to be deported. Many are angry and violent and very desperate at that point. I've dealt with 3rd worlders being denied access to American lands in the past. They are willing to die to prevent being returned and will riot at the drop of a hat. Its happened in the past, no reason to think that it wouldn't happen in the future.

Really, its for their safety, and the safety of everyone else on the plane.

[Hippie3]

more humane than a bullet i suppose

[warriorsoul]

Is this because arm and leg shackles aren't enough? lol

[Doctor D]

Maybe as a compromise, they can ask the detainees if they wish to be sedated for the long journey home. I know that I for one love to take a benzo or opioid to make those rough flights just whiz by.

And lets face it, those detainees ain't exactly flying first class...

[Lefty]

The risk of negative side effects does suck but prisoners aren't considered to have full rights. If a corrections officer tells a doctor a prisoner has a problem controlling themselves an order goes to a judge for involuntary meds w/o the prisoner ever seeing the doctor or judge. That is why prisoners generally don't fuck with the staff too much. Of course there are exceptions but they will turn someone into a chemical zombie in a heartbeat. Also there is the goon squad where 5 on 1 beat a prisoners ass like a drum.
They can transfer level five prisoners w/o drugging them but I bet it makes it easier for all involved. Also in some jails & prisons things are added to the food, such as salpeter to keep "things" down. Not sure if they still do that probably.
Kinda reminds me of a friend that ate at a Salvation Army in New Orleans and they didn't mention anabuse (sp?) in the food.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Lefty

Kinda reminds me of a friend that ate at a Salvation Army in New Orleans and they didn't mention anabuse (sp?) in the food.

Damn, hope he drank a few shots and hurled all over their kitchen!


As to drugging deportees, I tend to do the same to myself for long flights. Seeing as how chemical and physical restraints accomplish the same things, I think I'd rather arrive somewhere with a cloudy head than painfully sore wrists and ankles. Actually, they probably arrive with both conditions but at least all those hours of travel were spent in la-la land instead of stressful awareness of every moment.

[Hippie3]

i don't believe lefty's friend at all,
it's illegal to dose without informed consent, it's expensive
and by prescription only after exam.
sounds like BS to me.

[Lefty]

You may well be right but French law is weird. He got sick as hell and other homeless people told him that's why they didn't eat there.
Don't know much about it besides it being administered in a monitored environment for certain serious alcohol offenses.
Guess an out of control drunk may want it prescribed.
Used to know someone whos' Dad had to take it. Hardcore drunk, he used to drink on it anyway she told me. Never met the cat but her Mom used to not be able to keep Lysol around with out him sucking it down. He preferred the aerosol cans. I admit ingesting cleaning product is a whole nother level. He would also get in arguments w/her Mom & bail out of a moving car on more than one occasion. She was/probably still is pretty fucked up too.

[Lazlo]

There's a New Orleans in France?

[Hippie3]

there's Orleans, France
but the truly amazing thing
would be a Salvation Army branch there

[Lefty]

You probably both know what I'm talking about, but anyway the entire state New Orleans resides in is based on french law due to it having once been a territory. Angola is crammed w/folks doing a lot more time than they would have received elsewhere.
Baton Rouge, which I may well have mispelled, is probably not based on an English phrase.

[wayback]

I've heard of these drugged take downs as far back as ten years, and I can't say that I conccurr with this line of thinking. Of course, I'm sort of along the line of thinking like Doctor D's, except I believe an upgrade could be made on the side of the governments.
Naturally any druggings should be optional on the part of the person being detained and deported. However, my idea of an upgrade would be to give these deportee's a menu with a list of much better drugs e.g. mixed morphine cocktails, fresh baked marajuania browines, and for the more adventrous detainee's MDA laced cookies with herion nuggets.
I mean, if you have no choice but to go, then going in style with a menu that provides real goodies, where the detainee could also pick the dosages they desired, plus the method of either ingestion or injection should be provided. After all, that's a whole lot more humane than sticking a needle though one's jeans with some cheap psychiarty subsitutite. Our government needs to show a little more class when deporting these people, because when they get back to their countries they can either speak of our government negatively, or positively. And the Bush administration has already spread enough negativity to go around for decades to come.
Peace on people.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by wayback

However, my idea of an upgrade would be to give these deportee's a menu with a list of much better drugs e.g. mixed morphine cocktails, fresh baked marajuania browines, and for the more adventrous detainee's MDA laced cookies with herion nuggets.
I mean, if you have no choice but to go, then going in style with a menu that provides real goodies, where the detainee could also pick the dosages they desired, plus the method of either ingestion or injection should be provided.

Well, then we'd have hordes of people trying to enter the U.S. just so they could get deported again!

It'd be like a rave/BDSM fusion type thing; everybody getting shackled and wasted then sealed in a metal tube and hurled around the planet in a living metaphor of modern life. Law enforcement as performance art...