Iran photoshopped their images of test fire missiles

[eatyualive]

wow, pretty good stuff. someone was paying attention. you can't fool us our technology rules!


http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...0/1191157.aspx

[Oblivion]

[lysergic]

3 out of 4 isn't all that bad though

[Hippie3]

[aumbrellaforainydays]

hope they have a stockpile. we have the 2nd biggest stockpiles of nuclear warheads (9,960 they say) ready to go when needed.

• 1,050 Intercontinental ballistic missles (ICBMs)
• 2,016 Submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs) via 18 Ohio class subs
• 1,955 from B-52's and B-2's
• 500 can be fitted to our fighter-bombers
• 100 Tomahawk cruise missiles that can be fired from ships or subs
• A few hundred B61 nukes are based in Belgium, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey, and UK
• 4,225 are stockpiled just in case our first wave didnt do the trick

lets see if the Iranian navy can station subs within lethal range of our border, but i highly doubt they have that capability, or the capability to detect and shoot down our stealth a B-2 loaded with 16 nukes.

but you never know, if the Serbs using a modified 1960s vintage SAMs could down a F-117 Nighthawk, then that could force our bombers to stay above 15,000 ft. btw, the NATO forces never got one of those Serbian Colonel's SAMs during the 78 day attack in 1999.

and if the Chinese or North Korea are helping supply arms to Iran, who knows what they could have developed to at least inflict some expensive harm if we did decide to bomb them.

also the serbs used dummies to fool NATO aircraft into bombing false targets, while their real SAMs remained buried in the ground and camoflauged... sounds like good ol' WWII tactics to me.

besides, i think using nukes is still sensitive these days, if we are the big bully beating up the little guy, and then find out after deploying our nukes that Iran never had any... well thats not going to be good news.

[Lookyhere]

We may have a bunch of nukes, but we can't use them. If we could I would stand by my previos statement in the thread "what's the solution to gas prices"

What ever happened with Kuwait? We bailed their asses out, you'd think they'd help out with the oil problem. I have heard that oil is going to go up to $5 before the end of the year. History has dictated that if you wanted something and you were able to, take it. We should just take Iraq and make it West Carolina. Then take Kuait and make it East Carlolina. Then Saudi and Iran and we have East and West Dakota.

A lot of countries would be pissed off at us, but we'd have oil. A lot of wars have started over less than what is happening with our country and economy. Oh yeah, we would have to take Afghanistan too, maybe East Colorado. Or we could just call the whole region 'Little Texas'.

I still say we nuke the whole area and take it. If France gets pissed off at us then we sell them oil at $15-$20 a gallon. They'd get on board quick.

If things get really bad with Iran, it's gonna be ugly. Oil is going to go way way up, $4 a gallon is nothing compared to if Iran cuts off that straight in the Persian Gulf.

They didn't release a video then I take it.

[Hippie3]

israel has its' own nukes, under their sole control.
if iran scares israel enough to use them
israel won't care what the world thinks,
it's better to be hated than to be dead.
and if iran is bluffing,
as saddam was about WMD he didn't really have,
they'll get the very same fate he got.
regime change the hard way.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Lookyhere

I still say we nuke the whole area and take it...

that's just silly-
if we nuke the whole area
there will be nothing left worth taking.

[Lookyhere]

Didn't Saddam insist that there were no WMD? If I remember correctly, he didn't want us snooping around, but he said the whole time that there were no WMD.

Well we could certainly flatten out the area and still keep the oil ok. There would be less risks of terrorists, also the "war" would be over.

[Hippie3]

familiar with the term
'fallout' ?
how about
'nuclear winter' ?

[Lookyhere]

Yeah. We have nuclear weapons of all different strengths. I know that it is silly and not going to happen, and not even a possibility, but things may get a lot hairier. After the nukes in Japan, we were like "oh shit, whoops, we probably shouldn't have done that". We have felt badly about it ever since. They bombed us and we got pissed off, but in hindsight...... It probably wouldn't happen again. I think things are going to get pretty bad over there. We have all of these nuclear weapons, but will never use them. We're over there trying to be Big John McCarthy between Israel and Iran and were gonna end up paying for it, I hope not.

[Hippie3]

it'd be dirty,
one would have lots of fallout
if they tried to take out
hard bunkers buried deep in mountains,
even small nukes of a few kilotons
would ejects millions of tons of
radioactive dust
tens of thousands of feet into the stratosphere,
entering the trade winds, jet stream
then to circulate across first the northern hemisphere
then slowly moving south.

i too doubt that israel would use its' nukes
UNLESS they began to lose their war,
or took heavy civilian casualties in israel
from iranian use of poison gas, etc.

[woodwight]

Regarding the original post, the images are no way photoshopped. Close inspection shows that the two images are of distinct launches that just look similar. These are not crude weapons of a ragtag army. Irans missiles seem to work.

[Hippie3]

eh, i saw the close-up on the dust cloud-
they were identical in every detail,
not bloody likely.

but no doubt that iran has working missiles.
frankly though
their technology is so far behind US capabilities
that i'd bet they would last about as long
as did the iraqi armed forces.

in short order their air force, navy, and air defense systems,
their command-and-control structure, bridges, power plants, etc.
would be destroyed by long-range precision munitions and stealth aircraft.

they are equipped with tanks & planes that are at least a decade behind
technologically.
if iran were declared a 'free fire' zone
very quickly the war would devolve into
a mega-iraq of brushfire resistance.
they'd be back to AKs & RPGs.

[mjshroomer]

Originally Posted by eatyualive

wow, pretty good stuff. someone was paying attention. you can't fool us our technology rules!


http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/archi...0/1191157.aspx

Knowing how sneaky they are, maybe Iran faked those on purpose so that we would think that they do not have long rainge missiles when in fact they really do.

In this way they could surprise us by letting us think that they don't have any.

This is what my crystal ball shroom tells me.

mjshroomer

[eatyualive]

yeah agreed....but the facts are that they blatantly got caught manipulating their own photos. so to me, something is wrong. i mean one missile not working. who cares. but, there must be something deeper going on there if they have to cover up their incapabilities. this isn't the middle ages, digital technology isn't gonna fool most modern nations.

[Beastmaster]

I disagree, its just ragtag third world attempts at playing with the big dogs.

You see, it is the middle ages over there in iran.

I've seen videos of Iran's 'premiere', 'elite' military in action.

Please, we are going to kick so much ass, its not even funny.

Remember, for decades, the US military has been preparing to fight ww3 against Mother Russia. But that big date seems to have fallen through, so we've switched over to the GWOT. Fighting on three middle asian fronts really doesn't sound like that big of a deal to me. Especially since one (iran) is just an extension of the other (iraq).

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[rocketman]

i am blown away. iran being dishonest? say it isnt so! i also like how the russians are saber rattling about the icbm defense system we are implementing. rather than stop iran, russia will take her chances....another fine leadership decision by the russians and their allies.

[bugs]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

how about
'nuclear winter' ?

A solution to global warming?

[Hippie3]

On Friday, sources in the Iraqi Defense Ministry told a local news network that
Israel Air Force (IAF) war planes are practicing in Iraqi airspace
and land on US airbases in the country
as a preparation for a potential strike on Iran.
The IDF has also denied the reports, calling them "baseless."
The report, which was also carried by Iranian news outlets,
claimed that
recently massive IAF overnight presence
was detected in several American held airbases.
According to the sources, former military officers in the Anbar province said
IAF jets arrive during the night from Jordanian airspace,
enter Iraq's airspace and land on a runway near the city of Hadita.
The sources estimated the jets were practicing
for a raid on Iran's nuclear sites.
The sources also said
the American bases in Iraq might serve as a platform for the IAF
from which to attack Iran.
If Israeli warplanes will take off from Iraq,
they can reach Bushehr in five minutes - a "record time," the sources said.

[Ras Asad]

why would we want to kill people and destroy their homes for oil??

when really, if we were told the truth about our reserves in Alaska..... we could be filling up our vehicles for less than $1.50 per gallon.

The Energy Non-Crisis ~
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74697167011147

and whats more....... we dont even need the damn oil...... There are plenty of ways now to create energy without it................ again~ if only we were told the truth.

Peace

p.s. Hiyah Hippie3

[Lookyhere]

If Irans' nuclear warheads were blown up, wouldn't that be like dropping nuclear warheads in those spots (as far as damage and destruction)?

If shit goes down in Iran, D.C. may not be the safest place to live.

[Hippie3]

if israel and iran go to war
it won't be about oil.
israel gets no oil from its' arab/persian enemies.
this war will be about
the existence of israel as a viable state
in a nuclear age.
and the issue is not one-sided,
plenty of blame to go around,
iran, israel, UN, USA, russia, china, france, north korea, pakistan, UK, EU-
all have played a role in getting to this point.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Lookyhere

If Irans' nuclear warheads were blown up, wouldn't that be like dropping nuclear warheads in those spots (as far as damage and destruction)?

If shit goes down in Iran, D.C. may not be the safest place to live.

not necessarily,
nukes don't 'go off' if blown up or damaged,
it has to be in working order for a fission reaction
to go supercritical,
the littlest error would render it a 'dud'.
the biggest concern would be
the possible spread of the uranium/plutonium
in the warhead,
and that would depend on the munition
used to take out the nuke.
besides
as far as anyone knows
iran does not have working nuclear weapons yet.

[woodwight]

I'll give this one more shot. The images are distinct and i can show you.

Place your mouse cursor on the rightmost missile's tail, in the top photo. Point at the junction of orange to grey. Notice the distance to the poof of smoke just below. Now compare to the other photo. All three exhaust trails are distinct using this method. Also, the barbed wire fence glistens a bit differently.



Anti-Iran propaganda? or is it that we just want to beleive it to justify preexisting feelings? I beleived it for a minute, at least until i got curious about how good a photoshop manipulation can be.

[Lookyhere]

The trails are different, no question. The first picture is a split second after the second picture.

[aumbrellaforainydays]

Originally Posted by Ras Asad

why would we want to kill people and destroy their homes for oil??

when really, if we were told the truth about our reserves in Alaska..... we could be filling up our vehicles for less than $1.50 per gallon.

The Energy Non-Crisis ~
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...74697167011147

and whats more....... we dont even need the damn oil...... There are plenty of ways now to create energy without it................ again~ if only we were told the truth.

Peace

p.s. Hiyah Hippie3

the reserves in alaska are far away, hard to extract, expensive to extract, and cannot compare to amount of oil in the middle east. even if that oil was sent through the pipeline tommorrow, and the refined shit shipped straight to western seaboard, the way we consume oil the easily extracted and refined crude would only last just the US for 200 days. but in reality the oil corporations are transnationals, with bidders in every petrol using country in the world. i'm sure japan and china would love some close-by alaskan crude as well. $1.50 gas prices are history. europe's been paying $10+/per gallon for a little while now, the US is just catching up with reality.

i think that Israel making the preemptive strike is more likely too. but Iran could very well pressure palestinian hamas to step up suicide bombings and missile attacks to distract israel while it is forced into a Iraq-styled occupation of its own, with the revolutionary guard and al-qaeda guerilla fighting the israeli/us troops like the taliban in eastern afghanistan. since US afghanistan forces are likely to help, then the taliban could then step up some more of their attacks. but then there are also terrorist groups in syria and lebanon to deal with.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by woodwight

I'll give this one more shot. The images are distinct and i can show you.

Look more closely; they most definitely are not distinct. Look at the two right-most clouds of smoke on the ground - they are identical. Parts of all 3 working missile launches were patched together to create the fourth.

If nothing else convinces you, look at the terrain in the middle of the picture. The area where there once was a mobile rocket launching vehicle now has strange dunes which look more like those on the right-side than they did before. How do you explain that?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

[Lookyhere]

The picture that you provide Doctor is different than the picture that Wood provided. The picture that Wood provided the first picture is a split second after the second picture. The picture that Doctor put, the first picture is at the exact same time as the second picture. Either way though they are not different launches.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by Lookyhere

The picture that you provide Doctor is different than the picture that Wood provided. The picture that Wood provided the first picture is a split second after the second picture. The picture that Doctor put, the first picture is at the exact same time as the second picture. Either way though they are not different launches.

Huh? His pictures are the exact same pictures I provided, except on my pictures, someone drew circles on the copied parts. Look more closely.