expected urine test, but got saliva test is it possible to pass?

disturbed · 05-02-05, 16:05

well I knew this job i applied for required a drug test, and I also knew there was no way i was going to pass under my own accord. So i went and bought one of those detoxifying drinks and followed all the instructions, and went in to take the test, thinking i was good to go as i was expecting a piss test. So i show up, expecting a piss test and when i go in and sit down they bring out this saliva test. My question is do these drinks "cleanse" your saliva at all, and do I have any chance of passing if the last time I smoked was real early sat morning (say 4 or 5 a.m.) as i was coming down from an acid trip (and the test was today (monday) at about 3:00?

any info would be greatly appreciated

the_other_chap · 05-02-05, 17:34

The drink won't cleanse your saliva, and probably had no effect on your urine either.
If you're a regular smoker, my guess is that you'll fail

Hope it doesn't fuck your plans up too much.

maynardsdick · 05-02-05, 17:47

lay off drugs while you look for a job, old chap.

vrooota · 05-02-05, 19:11

Some of the detox drinks do work, a friend of mine got into the military with their help so I know that. As far as this saliva test goes, I've never heard of such things but I don't know why your saliva wouldn't be clean if your piss is, good luck

insight · 05-02-05, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by vrooota

Some of the detox drinks do work, a friend of mine got into the military with their help so I know that. As far as this saliva test goes, I've never heard of such things but I don't know why your saliva wouldn't be clean if your piss is, good luck

I may be wrong, but the detox kits are a 2 step process by

A: containing a diuretic (sp.) to make you piss like crazy to flush you bladder and
B: After you have pissed several times, you begin pissing water

vrooota · 05-02-05, 22:10

hmmmm maybe it doesn't clense all the thc out of your system then

I_am_me · 05-02-05, 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by maynardsdick

lay off drugs while you look for a job, old chap.

I choose to only work for companies that don't meddle in my own privacy instead.

05-02-05, 23:06

You'll probably pass. The saliva tests for thc in the bloodstream. Piss tests look for thc metabolyte which lasts for a month or longer in the fat cells of the bladder. If you hadn't smoked in 12 hours or so, my understanding is you'll pass. Let us know.
RR

maynardsdick · 05-02-05, 23:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_am_me

I choose to only work for companies that don't meddle in my own privacy instead.

when you need money to bills and keep a roof over your head, i'm sure your expectations on how companies should operate and issues about your 'privacy' will take a backseat to cold, hard realities.

its just best to lay off the drugs.

05-03-05, 04:18

I say fuck a job, works for me... there are many ways to make a living... Just find something yer good at, and do it up, man... BTW let us know abouit the saliva test...

viraljimmy · 05-03-05, 07:11

All the jobs where I live test.
Alot of them are starting random
testing, which is a real bitch.

05-03-05, 09:11

my girlfriend is a regular smoker with me....
she has passed 2 tests with those drinks..
she has a fast metabolism..
it's called "The Stuff"..
comes in a bottle with a powder in it..
you add water...mix, drink, fill with water again...drink
tastes like poo i hear...thats my 2 cents

05-03-05, 09:20

sorry it was called "Zydot"..

05-03-05, 09:31

I used one of the "tea" drinks once. I had to drink like a gallon of it. Made me piss like crazy. I went in to take the test and the only way you would know that it was urine was by the temperature of it. It looked like tap water. The nurse looked at it like "yea, I know what you did". Really funny. Anyway, I passed the test.

I also tried drinking a quart of pickle juice one time. I think the person who told me to do that was playing a joke. About an hour after drinking that shit I began to really shit. I was on the toilet the better part of the night and the only thing coming out was straight pickle juice. It was terrible. Do not, I repeat, do not drink a lot of pickle juice.

05-03-05, 09:47

i made the pickle juice mistake once ...
yep...not fun...

I_am_me · 05-03-05, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by maynardsdick

when you need money to bills and keep a roof over your head, i'm sure your expectations on how companies should operate and issues about your 'privacy' will take a backseat to cold, hard realities.

its just best to lay off the drugs.

WRONG.

Guess what, I've been taking care of myself alone for a long long time. I just got fired from a job for being sick, yes being sick and even calling and going to the doctor. I was out of work for 2 whole months with bills, $750 rent and many other things stacking up. My concerns about privacy never took a back seat. I hold my principles above everything else, if I didn't they would be useless.

Raptor · 05-03-05, 14:00

yes i do believe some of those contain a diuretic. And there's really no such thing as a true 'cleanser' it's really just a 'masker'. One of the bottles, I read on the back, said the product was "effective for 6 hours". Basically meaning after your 6 hours is up, the masker isn't going to be there anymore and you're back to like you were before. And since those particular kits are specific to urine/bladder system, they would have no effect on your saliva, at least im 95% positive.
They do however make saliva 'cleansing' solutions, but there's not much of a way of knowing you'll have to take that specific test, as you didn't.

Of course you can always consult erowid:
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...shtml#duration
it says regardless of habitual smoking or not, it's 14 hours for saliva. It doesn't mention lsd, but I would assume it's under the 72 hour range.

05-03-05, 14:14

For years I refused to work for companies that drug test. I finally realized that drug tests are really nothing but an IQ test. If you can pass the test, they figure you are smart enough to be a good risk, whether you smoke, drink, shoot, or whatever. Do what you have to do to pass the test, then sit back and grin at the bastards.
RR

maynardsdick · 05-03-05, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by I_am_me

WRONG.

Guess what, I've been taking care of myself alone for a long long time. I just got fired from a job for being sick, yes being sick and even calling and going to the doctor. I was out of work for 2 whole months with bills, $750 rent and many other things stacking up. My concerns about privacy never took a back seat. I hold my principles above everything else, if I didn't they would be useless.

wrong? lol. how can i be wrong if i'm just offering my opinon, as you are? opinons cant be wrong.

now, i would call you a fortunate chap to have the option of waiting for the job that doesnt violate your sense of privacy. maybe you have good qualifications, maybe you had a large savings account to live off of. who knows? but you know nothing of this guys situation and yet you tell him to do what you did?

wouldnt it be easier and much more productive for the guy if he just layed off the drugs while he looked for a job? lets face it, if you cant stop smoking, drinking, or whatever long enough to find a job then you have a problem. the drug owns you, and its never good to be dependant on anything like that.

myceliod · 05-03-05, 16:52

If the sweet sweet ganja is a drug then I'm a junkie!

joey_megabucks · 05-03-05, 17:46

anyone tried a prosthetic penis?

what about a urine business? is it illegal to sell clean urine?

05-03-05, 18:32

mary and me are quite close as well... maybe too close sometimes.

disturbed · 05-04-05, 02:22

thanks for all the input guys... Just to clear something up, I'm not unemployed I was just trying to find a job a little closer to home (and i may end up making a little more also) since these gas prices are really starting to chap my ass.

Any way it's not to big of a deal if I fail it, I'm just gonna be pissed that I wasted $30 on the detox drink if end up failing it (it supposedly has a triple your $ back guarntee, but i doubt I'd get it since it was a saliva test). Any way i've got my fingers crossed that rodger is right and it's only detectable for 12 hours or so, I think i'm supposed to find out the results tomorrow so i'll let you guys know what happens

05-04-05, 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger

For years I refused to work for companies that drug test. I finally realized that drug tests are really nothing but an IQ test. If you can pass the test, they figure you are smart enough to be a good risk, whether you smoke, drink, shoot, or whatever. Do what you have to do to pass the test, then sit back and grin at the bastards.
RR

that's what i'm fucking talking about.....

05-04-05, 13:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by maynardsdick

wrong? lol. how can i be wrong if i'm just offering my opinon, as you are? opinons cant be wrong.

now, i would call you a fortunate chap to have the option of waiting for the job that doesnt violate your sense of privacy. maybe you have good qualifications, maybe you had a large savings account to live off of. who knows? but you know nothing of this guys situation and yet you tell him to do what you did?

wouldnt it be easier and much more productive for the guy if he just layed off the drugs while he looked for a job? lets face it, if you cant stop smoking, drinking, or whatever long enough to find a job then you have a problem. the drug owns you, and its never good to be dependant on anything like that.

Yeah but if ya gotta quit to get a job, then the job OWNS you!! LOL, I think principles are more important, but you are right, this IS just my opinion...

05-05-05, 20:30

Inflammatory and inaccurate post deleted.
RR

destroy_erase_improve · 05-06-05, 08:47

i love MJ, sorry to hear about your prediciment. just eat more mushrooms

they dont test for that.

05-06-05, 09:31

disturbed,
What were the results?
RR

I_am_me · 05-06-05, 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by maynardsdick

wrong? lol. how can i be wrong if i'm just offering my opinon, as you are? opinons cant be wrong.

now, i would call you a fortunate chap to have the option of waiting for the job that doesnt violate your sense of privacy. maybe you have good qualifications, maybe you had a large savings account to live off of. who knows? but you know nothing of this guys situation and yet you tell him to do what you did?

wouldnt it be easier and much more productive for the guy if he just layed off the drugs while he looked for a job? lets face it, if you cant stop smoking, drinking, or whatever long enough to find a job then you have a problem. the drug owns you, and its never good to be dependant on anything like that.

You were WRONG when you said that MY principles would take a back seat to "cold hard realities". They never will and never have. I tough it out and make ends meet however I can. You're right, you can voice your opinion and that doesn't make it wrong but do not assume that you know how anyone else will react in a given situation. You were WRONG because I've already been there and I never let my principles waiver.

There is a difference between needing to quit and wanting to quit. I do not feel that my employment should determine my activities outside of work and I choose my employment accordingly. Everyone has that option, of course at times it may make changing jobs/looking for work a little more difficult. I am not dependant, I am independant and I make my own choices and I will never let a huge company do that for me.

05-06-05, 12:19

We've heard enough arguing on this subject already. People have to follow their own conscience, and that's the bottom line. Nobody is right or wrong except the corporate/government powers that be, who chose to violate our rights. I am under contract to a fortune 500 company that insists on drug tests. I hate them, but they're willing to pay twice the prevailing wage for this job. It is my decision to either work for lower wages, or stick with a comfortable six figure job with full benefits that only asks me to 'clean up' for two weeks once a year. It's a choice and I made it. Each person must make his or her own choice. No more fighting please.
RR

I_am_me · 05-06-05, 12:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger

Each person must make his or her own choice.
RR

I agree and I'm sorry I became defensive. I've just recently been unemployed and broke completely. Its been really tough to pay the bills and I've passed up a couple of job opportunities due to drug testing. I get defensive when my dedication to my priciples is in question.

Hope ya passed anyways Disturbed, sadly, everyone needs money.

vrooota · 05-06-05, 14:40

I also am very interested in finding out whether or not you passed, disturbed. Never heard of this saliva businesss so it'll be nice to know

Hippie3 · 05-09-05, 04:16

Quote:

also tried drinking a quart of pickle juice one time. I think the person who told me to do that was playing a joke. About an hour after drinking that shit I began to really shit. I was on the toilet the better part of the night and the only thing coming out was straight pickle juice. It was terrible. Do not, I repeat, do not drink a lot of pickle juice.

lmao
hehehe

05-09-05, 10:08

I did similar once, ten years ago. I drank a full cup of vinegar, and for the next two days I pissed every five minutes. I was so sick, I couldn't hardly walk to the toilet. After two days of puking, peeing and shitting, I flunked the piss test. Never again.
RR

05-09-05, 11:25

OOOOHHH! That hurts, but I am lmao. Really sucks that you still failed the test.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger

I did similar once, ten years ago. I drank a full cup of vinegar, and for the next two days I pissed every five minutes. I was so sick, I couldn't hardly walk to the toilet. After two days of puking, peeing and shitting, I flunked the piss test. Never again.
RR

Raptor · 05-10-05, 14:50

haha it is pretty funny hearing about people that try the "wifes tales" or "urban legends" for passing a test. All that trouble and displeasure for nothing. Gotta do your research people, which is pretty hard before the internet days I suppose.

littlefaucher · 05-11-05, 12:50

I had a similar situation a month or two ago... I passed the pre-employment drug test and work was going well... then one day at work I could tell by the way my boss was walking towards me that I'd get tested (one of those acquired stoner senses). Sure enough, he hands me a sheet of paper and says "you have a back examination at 1:30 today and a physical at 2:45..you know, just a check to

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05-02-05, 16:05	#1 (permalink)
disturbed Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 23	expected urine test, but got saliva test is it possible to pass? well I knew this job i applied for required a drug test, and I also knew there was no way i was going to pass under my own accord. So i went and bought one of those detoxifying drinks and followed all the instructions, and went in to take the test, thinking i was good to go as i was expecting a piss test. So i show up, expecting a piss test and when i go in and sit down they bring out this saliva test. My question is do these drinks "cleanse" your saliva at all, and do I have any chance of passing if the last time I smoked was real early sat morning (say 4 or 5 a.m.) as i was coming down from an acid trip (and the test was today (monday) at about 3:00? any info would be greatly appreciated

05-02-05, 17:34	#2 (permalink)
the_other_chap Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 1970 Posts: 751	The drink won't cleanse your saliva, and probably had no effect on your urine either. If you're a regular smoker, my guess is that you'll fail Hope it doesn't fuck your plans up too much. __________________ Sitting in a sunken garden, pinking in the sinking sun. Thinking of a summer long ago, when one was twenty-one.

05-02-05, 19:11	#4 (permalink)
vrooota Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 622	Some of the detox drinks do work, a friend of mine got into the military with their help so I know that. As far as this saliva test goes, I've never heard of such things but I don't know why your saliva wouldn't be clean if your piss is, good luck __________________ I am what you see

05-02-05, 22:10	#6 (permalink)
vrooota Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 622	hmmmm maybe it doesn't clense all the thc out of your system then __________________ I am what you see

05-02-05, 17:47	#3 (permalink)
maynardsdick Mycophage Join Date: Nov 1971 Posts: 183	lay off drugs while you look for a job, old chap.

05-02-05, 23:06	#8 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	You'll probably pass. The saliva tests for thc in the bloodstream. Piss tests look for thc metabolyte which lasts for a month or longer in the fat cells of the bladder. If you hadn't smoked in 12 hours or so, my understanding is you'll pass. Let us know. RR

05-03-05, 04:18	#10 (permalink)
~pissybee Guest Posts: n/a	I say fuck a job, works for me... there are many ways to make a living... Just find something yer good at, and do it up, man... BTW let us know abouit the saliva test...

05-03-05, 07:11	#11 (permalink)
viraljimmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 1973 Posts: 454	All the jobs where I live test. Alot of them are starting random testing, which is a real bitch.

05-03-05, 09:11	#12 (permalink)
~JT Guest Posts: n/a	my girlfriend is a regular smoker with me.... she has passed 2 tests with those drinks.. she has a fast metabolism.. it's called "The Stuff".. comes in a bottle with a powder in it.. you add water...mix, drink, fill with water again...drink tastes like poo i hear...thats my 2 cents

05-03-05, 09:20	#13 (permalink)
~JT Guest Posts: n/a	sorry it was called "Zydot"..

05-03-05, 09:31	#14 (permalink)
~dial8 Guest Posts: n/a	I used one of the "tea" drinks once. I had to drink like a gallon of it. Made me piss like crazy. I went in to take the test and the only way you would know that it was urine was by the temperature of it. It looked like tap water. The nurse looked at it like "yea, I know what you did". Really funny. Anyway, I passed the test. I also tried drinking a quart of pickle juice one time. I think the person who told me to do that was playing a joke. About an hour after drinking that shit I began to really shit. I was on the toilet the better part of the night and the only thing coming out was straight pickle juice. It was terrible. Do not, I repeat, do not drink a lot of pickle juice.

05-03-05, 09:47	#15 (permalink)
~JT Guest Posts: n/a	i made the pickle juice mistake once ... yep...not fun...

05-03-05, 14:00	#17 (permalink)
Raptor Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 177	yes i do believe some of those contain a diuretic. And there's really no such thing as a true 'cleanser' it's really just a 'masker'. One of the bottles, I read on the back, said the product was "effective for 6 hours". Basically meaning after your 6 hours is up, the masker isn't going to be there anymore and you're back to like you were before. And since those particular kits are specific to urine/bladder system, they would have no effect on your saliva, at least im 95% positive. They do however make saliva 'cleansing' solutions, but there's not much of a way of knowing you'll have to take that specific test, as you didn't. Of course you can always consult erowid: http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/...shtml#duration it says regardless of habitual smoking or not, it's 14 hours for saliva. It doesn't mention lsd, but I would assume it's under the 72 hour range.

05-03-05, 14:14	#18 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	For years I refused to work for companies that drug test. I finally realized that drug tests are really nothing but an IQ test. If you can pass the test, they figure you are smart enough to be a good risk, whether you smoke, drink, shoot, or whatever. Do what you have to do to pass the test, then sit back and grin at the bastards. RR

05-03-05, 16:52	#20 (permalink)
myceliod Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 289	If the sweet sweet ganja is a drug then I'm a junkie!

05-03-05, 17:46	#21 (permalink)
joey_megabucks Mycotopiate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 745	anyone tried a prosthetic penis? what about a urine business? is it illegal to sell clean urine? __________________ Creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable.

05-03-05, 18:32	#22 (permalink)
~novak Guest Posts: n/a	mary and me are quite close as well... maybe too close sometimes.

05-04-05, 02:22	#23 (permalink)
disturbed Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 23	thanks for all the input guys... Just to clear something up, I'm not unemployed I was just trying to find a job a little closer to home (and i may end up making a little more also) since these gas prices are really starting to chap my ass. Any way it's not to big of a deal if I fail it, I'm just gonna be pissed that I wasted $30 on the detox drink if end up failing it (it supposedly has a triple your $ back guarntee, but i doubt I'd get it since it was a saliva test). Any way i've got my fingers crossed that rodger is right and it's only detectable for 12 hours or so, I think i'm supposed to find out the results tomorrow so i'll let you guys know what happens

05-05-05, 20:30	#26 (permalink)
~mindovermycelia Guest Posts: n/a	Inflammatory and inaccurate post deleted. RR

05-06-05, 08:47	#27 (permalink)
destroy_erase_improve Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,173	i love MJ, sorry to hear about your prediciment. just eat more mushrooms they dont test for that. __________________ Destroy Erase Improve

05-06-05, 09:31	#28 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	disturbed, What were the results? RR

05-06-05, 12:19	#30 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	We've heard enough arguing on this subject already. People have to follow their own conscience, and that's the bottom line. Nobody is right or wrong except the corporate/government powers that be, who chose to violate our rights. I am under contract to a fortune 500 company that insists on drug tests. I hate them, but they're willing to pay twice the prevailing wage for this job. It is my decision to either work for lower wages, or stick with a comfortable six figure job with full benefits that only asks me to 'clean up' for two weeks once a year. It's a choice and I made it. Each person must make his or her own choice. No more fighting please. RR

05-06-05, 14:40	#32 (permalink)
vrooota Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 622	I also am very interested in finding out whether or not you passed, disturbed. Never heard of this saliva businesss so it'll be nice to know __________________ I am what you see

05-09-05, 10:08	#34 (permalink)
~Peter Cottontail Guest Posts: n/a	I did similar once, ten years ago. I drank a full cup of vinegar, and for the next two days I pissed every five minutes. I was so sick, I couldn't hardly walk to the toilet. After two days of puking, peeing and shitting, I flunked the piss test. Never again. RR

05-10-05, 14:50	#36 (permalink)
Raptor Mycophage Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 177	haha it is pretty funny hearing about people that try the "wifes tales" or "urban legends" for passing a test. All that trouble and displeasure for nothing. Gotta do your research people, which is pretty hard before the internet days I suppose.

05-11-05, 12:50	#37 (permalink)
littlefaucher Mycophage Join Date: Feb 1973 Posts: 132	I had a similar situation a month or two ago... I passed the pre-employment drug test and work was going well... then one day at work I could tell by the way my boss was walking towards me that I'd get tested (one of those acquired stoner senses). Sure enough, he hands me a sheet of paper and says "you have a back examination at 1:30 today and a physical at 2:45..you know, just a check to