politics at 'topia- yay or nay

[mr mojo risin]

agreed hippie3, but those who need controling are usually something to do with or a product of necrotic states of societys that are brought about by politicians who need you to want money so they can control you with money that brings about the necrosis. if humanity had more respect for each other, the planet and all the other stuff we share our lives with would we need goverments to tell us you cant do that and you gotta do that like this? shamefully admitted i too was a source of disrespectful energy until my mind met p. cubensis. now im different. i at least try not to follow the path that may lead to mankinds demise. im not sayin im better than anyone else, im quite happy to admit im no more important than a slug or a daisy. theres nothin worse than payin someone to do a job that isnt there. goverments spend so much time makin themselfs work so they have a job to do that they dont actually do their job. nooooooooooooooooooo im talkin politics damn. sorry all my bad. no disrespect intended hippie3 just dont beleive this is the way for mankind. all the goverments in the world wont stop babies dying hungry and genocide and annoying adverts. thankyou much love peace, jim

[squizzlix]

i vote to do away with the politics.
arguments flare up quick,
and if there is anything i've learned,
its that people are stubbon and
generally do not want to be dis-proven
which makes the arguments pointless.

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by chlorello

I think it's better not to ban discussion of a topic because the ban itself could be as divisive and negative as the discussion ever was.

not if we kick out any who get disruptive or divisive.

[Lookin 2 Grow]

I like to stay clear of political or religious topics because everybody has their own opinions & beliefs..
When you speak your own mind on these topics you can offend easily & it's hard to make positive progression on the topics.
I'm here to learn & expand my knowledge about shrooms, not here to talk about or care about who is going to win the next election.

[Lookin 2 Grow]

Politics/Religion will always only end up in arguments..

Let's all keep with the positive, good vibed topics I say.

[chupbracabra]

Nay, I've seen politics seperate friends before and it will do it again.

[toadshroom]

i'm a bartender...i don't come here for politics. I have it hard enough keeping the discussions out of my bar

[Boboso]

Aside from when Obama said Roswell really did happen, I haven't been following politics or the political figures. IMHO, if people want to discuss politics, fine. It's not a topic I'm just going to jump into, and I'm sure many people here feel the same way.

I just like to think there are forums out there that would be better suited to political scuttlebutt. Hell, I just did a quick google of "political forums" and this was at the top...

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/

Unless some issue comes along where the government is talking about legalizing some of our hobbies, and I'm referring to meaningful talk, not just a lil something to gain vote momentum, then sure, let's talk about it. Otherwise, taxes and such are a fact of life that we all got stuck with and we might as well just deal with it.

Political debates to me are just as anoyying as complaining about gas prices. I can guarantee none of us will be happy with were they go...

Just my opinion though...

[cap]

Originally Posted by Boboso

Aside from when Obama said Roswell really did happen, I haven't been following politics or the political figures. IMHO, if people want to discuss politics, fine. It's not a topic I'm just going to jump into, and I'm sure many people here feel the same way.

I just like to think there are forums out there that would be better suited to political scuttlebutt. Hell, I just did a quick google of "political forums" and this was at the top...

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/

Unless some issue comes along where the government is talking about legalizing some of our hobbies, and I'm referring to meaningful talk, not just a lil something to gain vote momentum, then sure, let's talk about it. Otherwise, taxes and such are a fact of life that we all got stuck with and we might as well just deal with it.

Political debates to me are just as anoyying as complaining about gas prices. I can guarantee none of us will be happy with were they go...

Just my opinion though...

mine too.
thanks bob

[ShroomGuerilla]

Originally Posted by Boboso

IMHO, if people want to discuss politics, fine. It's not a topic I'm just going to jump into, and I'm sure many people here feel the same way.

Well said.
I try to say out of the political debates here.
I have found that almost ever single political debate thread
I have seen here on mycotopia has disintegrated into ideological
banter and "my dick is bigger than yours" back and forths between members.

Many of the arguments revolve around the
frustration of other people not sharing the exact same views.

Not even in a perfect world would people all think alike
and share the same values.

I'll stick to talking about weed and counter-culture...
my political views I will keep to myself....

[mydarling]

Originally Posted by ShroomGuerilla

Well said.
I try to say out of the political debates here.
I have found that almost ever single political debate thread
I have seen here on mycotopia has disintegrated into ideological
banter and "my dick is bigger than yours" back and forths between members.

Many of the arguments revolve around the
frustration of other people not sharing the exact same views.

Not even in a perfect world would people all think alike
and share the same values.

I'll stick to talking about weed and counter-culture...
my political views I will keep to myself....

i agree.... i usually start reading the political threads out of curiosity, but get turned off very quickly by some of the views posted here and just have to stop reading to calm down. in general i don't like to argue about shit so i rarely, if ever, post a political view around here.

[rags724]

it must really hurt most of you guys asses sitting on that fence post. If you can't discuss politics without going out of control than maybe you should be more worried about your anger control issues. I personally find politics to be a very expansive and stimulating topic of discussion. Not all political talks have to be partisan do they. I am libertarian and have a liberal idea of social policies and a conservitive idea on fiscal and foreign relations policies. An inability to discuss politics is, in my opinion, what got our country in the boat it's in. Most people are to busy useing their ass wipeing app on their iphones to worry about whom they identify with politically. Maybe if open political discussion were more "in style" we could actually solve problems, instead of waiting six weeks before an election to hopelessly cling on to their emotionally convenient issue/stance. Just keep pretending that the way things are will change on their own and before you know it, bamm, third world nation.

[feralronin]

Originally Posted by rags724

it must really hurt most of you guys asses sitting on that fence post. If you can't discuss politics without going out of control than maybe you should be more worried about your anger control issues. I personally find politics to be a very expansive and stimulating topic of discussion. Not all political talks have to be partisan do they. I am libertarian and have a liberal idea of social policies and a conservitive idea on fiscal and foreign relations policies. An inability to discuss politics is, in my opinion, what got our country in the boat it's in. Most people are to busy useing their ass wipeing app on their iphones to worry about whom they identify with politically. Maybe if open political discussion were more "in style" we could actually solve problems, instead of waiting six weeks before an election to hopelessly cling on to their emotionally convenient issue/stance. Just keep pretending that the way things are will change on their own and before you know it, bamm, third world nation.

I agree with alot of what you said. But there are much better forums/sites to discuss this info on. IMO it always stirs up emotions, good or bad, and clouds the boards.

[Dank Side Of The Shroom]

i picked no. this is a mushroom/weed forum and a few other things. none of this is politics. should be talked about at some other forum than here imo. i don't want to read threads about bs politic antics of people. imo i just don't give a fuck about politics at all really. save it for the political forums. tons of them out there. just wastes space and time here having to edit out bs remarks when people get upset or disagree. just not worth it.

[plantman21]

I only say yes if people can keep their cool. Don't let a conversation turn into a dirt slinging contest. It is only peoples opionions.
Plantman

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by rags724

it must really hurt most of you guys asses sitting on that fence post. If you can't discuss politics without going out of control than maybe you should be more worried about your anger control issues. I personally find politics to be a very expansive and stimulating topic of discussion. Not all political talks have to be partisan do they. I am libertarian and have a liberal idea of social policies and a conservitive idea on fiscal and foreign relations policies. An inability to discuss politics is, in my opinion, what got our country in the boat it's in. Most people are to busy useing their ass wipeing app on their iphones to worry about whom they identify with politically. Maybe if open political discussion were more "in style" we could actually solve problems, instead of waiting six weeks before an election to hopelessly cling on to their emotionally convenient issue/stance. Just keep pretending that the way things are will change on their own and before you know it, bamm, third world nation.

insulting, patronizing crap like that
is why discussing politics
sucks.

you can't even express yourself
without showing your disdain and scorn
for those who feel differently.

maybe it's because of folks like you
that this nation is in bad shape-
know-it-all jerks with big mouths.

[mydarling]

lol, so because i don't want to talk about politics at mycotopia, i have anger control issues? and who said anything about getting "out of control"?

get real.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by rags724

Just keep pretending that the way things are will change on their own and before you know it, bamm, third world nation.

Funny, I always thought a significant part of the problem was those who continue to insist on pretending that the dog and pony show of politics can bring us real solutions to tangible problems. Politics is only good for bringing us abstract solutions to manufactured illusions of problems. It's the distraction helping us to not see all the pillaging and plundering required to sustain our unsustainable first-world existence, and I say "helping" because the majority who enjoy it truly do not want to see its underpinnings.

[apokalypse]

I'm not interested in talking politics, but if that's what the masses want, let them have it. But if it gets out of hand, shut it down... maybe a zero-tolerance policy towards flaming other members in that forum gets your posting rights removed.

[TVCasualty]

'Topia has a zero-tolerance policy for flaming in all forums, so that aspect of politics has already been prohibited.

[Jose_sixpac]

My little mind said OhNoooo. on the pol poll, I think this is a utopia, for one reason, be cause of the lack of political musketeering and of lines in the sand and of labels that are not fairly administered...and of warwagoneer's, strategists, tactitioneers and of course the inevitable body counts on all sides.

I tired of z-spin and C-span and d-crapola in a can.

For me there are only two paths I can take...woodstock or Gettysburg.
box of rain or a box of lead.

without the pol free zone of.......allzen.........exactly.
Joe would become a bottom dweller, lurking in the bowels of vaultworld, rarely surfacing, even for air.

I could be wrong, but in retrospect had I found you cats before the pol forums, I would have never ventured elsewhere.

there is a calm here, and the mods and topian's are not unreasonable, and are quite helpful, extremely helpful is more like it.


when going with the flow...I have found that, neutral is the best gear fo my dumb ass to drive in.

luv-ya
don't go changing.

Jose-

[BuckarooBanzai]

Plenty of space out there on the 'net to babble about politics.

Too often it very quickly devolves into screaming and name calling.

Very few are interested in discussing politics - most simply want to espouse an opinion and get positive feedback.

A discussion involves give/take and actually listening. Very few people are able to achieve this in a political discussion.

Real debate is one of the hardest of all arts to practice.

'Tis why I avoid the political threads around this joint like the plague...

[apokalypse]

*flaming other members views*, not the user themself. Though I suppose it can go hand-in-hand.

[valleyofmushies]

George Washington was a General of the army and was not in a political party and thought they would be our downfall if we chose to participate in them.....i know my history

[Fly on the Wall]

Suggestion: make all claims in the political forum subject to verification. If posters know they can't just say "DAMN (party) VOTED FOR MANDATORY ABORTIONS FOR PUPPIES!" because they read it on a blog, it might keep the arguing and bullshit to a minimum. I'm not sure how to enforce such a thing, other than allow anyone to reply to a post, with the claim in question highlighted, and request a source. BS or no source equals corrective action. I suggest a forced change of that person's avatar to a photoshopped Hallmark card saying "I'm Beary sorry for talking out of my ass in the politics forum."

[catdaddy]

Originally Posted by Fly on the Wall

Suggestion: make all claims in the political forum subject to verification. If posters know they can't just say "DAMN (party) VOTED FOR MANDATORY ABORTIONS FOR PUPPIES!" because they read it on a blog, it might keep the arguing and bullshit to a minimum. I'm not sure how to enforce such a thing, other than allow anyone to reply to a post, with the claim in question highlighted, and request a source. BS or no source equals corrective action. I suggest a forced change of that person's avatar to a photoshopped Hallmark card saying "I'm Beary sorry for talking out of my ass in the politics forum."

What would you consider as verification?

The masses within and without the media read the same line and come up with different opinions on what it means.

Is it OK to quote someone who agrees with your opinion, and if so how high an office must they hold either in the government or in the media or???

Lawyers have a way of making black mean grey and no mean maybe.

I understand what you desire but don't feel that it can be that concrete.

And we already know that government doesn't always give things the same meaning before AND after they get the power to do it.

Take the income tax, for example...

BTW, I totally agree with your take on deceptive labeling of legislation, AND on being misleading about WHY they REALLY want to pass it.