so fucking mad can't see straight

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 06:48

Quote:

before you can sell your home, a government official" will be entering your home to inspect that it is "energy efficient". If it is not up to the to be announced new country wide code, you will have to bring it up to code - or you can't sell it!

Part of the "energy effeciency" will be based on - you guessed it - California's building code

this is going to fuck a LOT of people-
rich AND poor -
and they won't be too damn happy
next election.
i predict
at this rate
a republican return to the white house
next election.
and a split congress.

that fucking obama & co.
just, with a stroke of a pen,
wiped out millions of home-owners in america
so his euro-buddies will like him more.
hell,
the house i'm living in was built in 1904.
beautiful old country home.
now mandated for demolition,
and my landlord just lost
a shit load of his land value too.
my 75 year old mother now has
2 worthless houses that'll have to be
bull-dozed [at her expense]
as they are too old to fix to obama's standards.
a lifetime of her saving and working-
fucking gone.

Oblivion · 07-01-09, 07:36

Look at the droves of brainwashed people that applaud this horseshit. It's fucked and so are we. No other way to put it.

firerat · 07-01-09, 07:46

OMG is this shit real?

This is absolutely insane man.

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 07:48

hmm, maybe not,
might only apply to new construction
[still not a good idea]
researching to find the actual text of the bill...

junior1 · 07-01-09, 07:49

What Bullshit

smilinjack · 07-01-09, 07:54

Man this is going to screw me. I was going to sell my house and move after I finished my RN degree but I will be screwed now cause there are few jobs where I live and I won't be able to afford to bring my house up to code to sell it. They have gone too far this time. I don't understand, all of this energy conservation isn't doing anything to solve the real problem of energy independence, it is just making life harder for everyone. I agree with you hip we will have a republican next term and it will be many years before we have another democrat. The obama camp has royally screwed up the furture of the democratic party. Hey Hip could you please post a link to where you found this infomation. I am looking but can't seem to find it. If were going to start modeling everthing based on california then where the hell is my medical marijuana?

smilinjack · 07-01-09, 08:06

Nevermind hip I found it.

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 08:07

well, i found it on another board i frequent
but i don't really want to tell on myself
by posting a link back to there...

chimp · 07-01-09, 08:16

I haven't found any official link to this but one would think that there will be a moratorium for older homes.

smilinjack · 07-01-09, 08:26

Well I thought I found what I was looking for but I was wrong so if anyone can find a link for this please post it.

Sweet_Pea · 07-01-09, 08:29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEFlX...layer_embedded

This is Glenn Beck talking about it

This Cap and Trade bill is utter crap.....it is Marxism at its finest.

CoyoteMesc · 07-01-09, 08:36

He's a fucking idiot. People tried to spread the word about his fucking radical ways.
But folks were so wrapped up in "change" they couldn't focus on what THAT change
was/is going to be.

You should see what he wants to put on businesses with this shit. At a time where we need jobs, need businesses to do business here, we need to be competitive in the market. At a a a time were America's economy is dependent on what we do NOW> THis fucking idiot wants to mandate a damn bill that will either put em out of business because they cant pay for it or they'll simply just pack up and move their shit to china and double their profit due to the lack of Energy Efficient bull shit.

Those businesses that stay here and stay in operation, guess who'll be paying for this shit in the end....you got it....you and I.

lol, boy that ban wagon is emptying FAST...

AND GET THIS

all this bull shit because of what......Global Warming.....LMFAO

how many scientist and weather professionals are now saying that this is CRAP.
100's and 100's, thats how many.

SO with out going in to that with detail....Obamanation is trying to pass the largest increase in American history on a fucking MYTH!, or at best...something that is not proven.

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 08:41

not a fan of glenn beck
but i guess this time
he may have it right.
if so,
buckle up,
this ride is going to make
the great depression
looks like a trip to disneyland.
better get those survival skills honed sharp,
and start looking for any way you can earn
a few extra bucks
before you end up living
in a sheet metal hut, a tent, or a cardboard box.
or your car, if you're a lucky SOB
since you won't have any gas for it anyway.

CoyoteMesc · 07-01-09, 08:47

Yup,
him AND Sean Hannity have nailed it from the beginning.

Sweet_Pea · 07-01-09, 08:50

I read somewhere that many members of the house that voted on it didn't even read the bill....the rep. from Hawaii said "You’d have to have hours and hours and hours to be able to do all that, but we’re well aware of the main items.”

I also read this opinion on cap and trade and IMO it is right on

The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. And in return the results of the higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.

As Hip said....survival skills are a must.

smilinjack · 07-01-09, 09:02

Yeah this really pisses me off. I was watching cspan a few nights ago and they were voting on amendments to the healthcare bill and half of the people being forced to vote on it hadn't even been able to read though it completely. I would love to know how this is supposed to be in our best interests. I guess democracy(we have never been totally democratic) is gove forever. How long is it going to be before we collapse like every other socalist nation on the globe? I know china is still booming but they will sputter too and the decline will begin. I myself am seriously considering selling everthing I can and heading south of the border while I can still get out.

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 09:09

http://www.zazzle.com/dont_blame_me_...39782203470871

Sweet_Pea · 07-01-09, 09:13

Socialism preaches equality....only thing we will all be equal in is our shared misery....I don't know how long it will take to fail...but at the expedited rate this administration is pushing this garbage on us....it could be sooner than later....the reason china hasn't failed...."if you call mass amounts of people living in squalor working for pennies on the dollar not failed" is because they are communist and they kill people for not doing what they want. The only way they can change human behavior is by force and compulsion.....I'll go down fighting first.

weeeeeee · 07-01-09, 09:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

He's a fucking idiot. People tried to spread the word about his fucking radical ways.
But folks were so wrapped up in "change" they couldn't focus on what THAT change
was/is going to be.

You should see what he wants to put on businesses with this shit. At a time where we need jobs, need businesses to do business here, we need to be competitive in the market. At a a a time were America's economy is dependent on what we do NOW> THis fucking idiot wants to mandate a damn bill that will either put em out of business because they cant pay for it or they'll simply just pack up and move their shit to china and double their profit due to the lack of Energy Efficient bull shit.

Those businesses that stay here and stay in operation, guess who'll be paying for this shit in the end....you got it....you and I.

lol, boy that ban wagon is emptying FAST...

AND GET THIS

all this bull shit because of what......Global Warming.....LMFAO

how many scientist and weather professionals are now saying that this is CRAP.
100's and 100's, thats how many.

SO with out going in to that with detail....Obamanation is trying to pass the largest increase in American history on a fucking MYTH!, or at best...something that is not proven.

i hear you all the way i have been screaming this since day one i mean this shit was obvious and WE voted for it. WE knew that our president grew nurtured his political views with a bunch of marxists we knew but still we voted it in. its very sad to me that when i bring up the thing that our commander has been doing to some of the people i know who voted him in they almost always reply with something along these lines..."i just dont care"
some of them whom i am close to i went on to ask then why would you vote and almost all of them said they thought they were doing the right thing. now i watched his BS leading up to the election and continue to do so today and it makes me sick especially now that hes in office he acts like some fucking rock star blehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

and im definitely not sleeping better knowing that all decisions our pres makes get passed by his communist $2000 tennis shoe wearing wife
this whole thing makes me fucking sick im not even a patriotic person

PEACE OUT!!!

firerat · 07-01-09, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeeeeee

i hear you all the way i have been screaming this since day one i mean this shit was obvious and WE voted for it. WE knew that our president grew nurtured his political views with a bunch of marxists we knew but still we voted it in.

Not I sir.
I did not vote for this. I voted against this.

weeeeeee · 07-01-09, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by firerat

Not I sir.
I did not vote for this. I voted against this.

we as in we the people.

and lol @ that pic but man this is serious stuff and sadly all we can do now is joke about it.....

firerat · 07-01-09, 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeeeeee

we as in we the people.

Baaaaaaa

I know what you mean.

Quote:

and lol @ that pic but man this is serious stuff and sadly all we can do now is joke about it.....

I know it's serious. The pic is humorous but also seriously how I feel.

The country was glamoured. SUPRISE!!

wildburr · 07-01-09, 11:16

I would hope that they grandfather older homes, there is no way I could afford to update my 1930's home.

Obama and his liberal socialist cronies are so open minded their brains have fallen out.

MsShroom · 07-01-09, 11:40

Obama and his liberal socialist cronies are so open minded their brains have fallen out.

Great line Wildburr!

RestartLater · 07-01-09, 11:48

Here they have put countless windmill's in place but they have been asked this question...... After we the electric consumers have paid enough on our electricity bills to cover the cost of the windmills and new electricity lines will you lower our bills...... They just laughed at us :{

Business as usual no matter who the president is *bend over and like it*

RestartLater

catdaddy · 07-01-09, 13:26

Now wait just a minute.

All this is the fault of the previous administration.

Our new Pres has only been in office ___ days. (you can reuse this later)

Let's give him some time- say a year or two and see if his plans are going to work. It hasn't had time to yet!

And he's going to give us so MUCH! We won't have to worry about paying our mortgages, or putting gas in our cars, or affording medical care!

Oh my Gracious God! THANK YOU for sending us this new Messiah!

seedlessstinky1 · 07-01-09, 13:39

Fuck that! This is bullshit! Dirty bastard..

ruderalis · 07-01-09, 13:57

I can't imagine them forcing a country wide efficiency code
on older houses.

Same reason auto inspections don't use present day requirements
on older cars.

Now I could see the code enforcing structural efficiency on older homes,
just to make sure some yuppie doesn't buy a house that's one good breeze away from collapsing on their ass. But as far as electrical issues, surely they won't put todays technological expectations into a 100 year old house.

chimp · 07-01-09, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruderalis

I can't imagine them forcing a country wide efficiency code
on older houses.

Same reason auto inspections don't use present day requirements
on older cars.

I agree...like I said earlier there has to be a moratorium.

dead_diver · 07-01-09, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet_Pea

I read somewhere that many members of the house that voted on it didn't even read the bill....

Many of the bills that get voted on are never read.

rocketman · 07-01-09, 15:12

QUOTE OF THE MONTH
"Gentlemen, today we must cross that treeline and engage the enemy. He is our brother, father, cousin, uncle; our neighbor and friend. We must prevail. We must kill them all. May God have mercy on our souls." - Lt. Jeremiah Colson, Confederate Army 1863

WARNING OF THE MONTH
Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel , "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land."
Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel. This is the promised land."

Now Obama is going to steal your shovels, kick your asses, raise the price of camels, and mortgage the promised land.

Sorry for injecting that bit of humor here as it may not belong.

I do however think new construction should meet energy efficiency codes. It will only help the homeowners save money down the road.

I hope ANY existing home is excluded. If laws are in line with the automobile emissions then the cost for improving a homes efficiency can be massive. The automobile moratorium is only on 1975 and older. This would effect the majority of homes in the country...my guess.

I lived in a large city for many years and have seen with my own eyes the difference in construction of houses over the years. The most notable was when my brother was remodeling an attic in his depression era house, we found only wadded up newspaper for insulation.

The cost for blowing in insulation would be a few thousand dollars in most cases they can blow it in by making small holes in the walls and ceilings. Most average home owners would feel the hurt of such a bill.

Then the houses hvac unit would have to meet a certain efficiency rating, and this is where it gets even more costly. For the smallest 2 ton heat pump you will pay 2500 or more installed. Most units i would guess average around the 4 ton and up size, as the above mentioned heat pump is what i use for a single upstairs room around 500sq ft. I have over 10k in a middle of the road rated central unit for the main floor, plus the heat pump for upstairs.

If they want us to upgrade efficiency I am all for it if they pay the tab. I would love to have a geo thermal unit for my home, but the truth is I went with a middle of the road 14 seer unit due to cost. I pay nearly 300 dollars a month to air condition the place in summer. I know I could lower it by several means, but I need my 72f.

I agree this affects rich and poor, but the poor will be the ones that lose with a retroactive efficiency law.

Funny how Al gores 25k a month electric bill doesnt bother him.

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruderalis

I can't imagine them forcing a country wide efficiency code
on older houses.

Same reason auto inspections don't use present day requirements
on older cars.

Now I could see the code enforcing structural efficiency on older homes,
just to make sure some yuppie doesn't buy a house that's one good breeze away from collapsing on their ass. But as far as electrical issues, surely they won't put todays technological expectations into a 100 year old house.

but they DO-
many 'older' cars cannot be licensed in certain states, like California.

rocketman · 07-01-09, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

but they DO-
many 'older' cars cannot be licensed in certain states, like California.

They definitely do. Cali is extreme due to the smog problems there, but other states are close to there. Here its '75 and older cars are exempt for auto emission testing. They are the smallest minority.

firerat · 07-01-09, 15:46

We stopped doing emissions tests here 10 years ago.

seedlessstinky1 · 07-01-09, 15:48

No emissions for certain counties here either.....Go into the city and bang...you're out another 26bucks...

lysergic · 07-01-09, 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman

They definitely do. Cali is extreme due to the smog problems there, but other states are close to there. Here its '75 and older cars are exempt for auto emission testing. They are the smallest minority.

I'm pretty sure in Ca you can get "antique" plates on anything before a certain year...

johnnydigital · 07-01-09, 16:49

There is nothing of the sort being proposed... that's what ya get for listening to Glen Beck... Nobody's coming into your home to check your efficiency and forcing you to do anything. Period.

Obama, with the blessing of the major auto makers, did just work out new CAFE standards nationwide, based on the California model, but that part has nothing to do with homes. What DOES have to do with homes, and what California did, with it's Green Building Code, was to make new efficiency standards for the BUILDING OF NEW HOMES, which are VOLUNTARY until 2010, after which point they are expected to become mandatory, but apparently it's still being figured out... . But that's ONLY for California... nothing of the sort is happening nationwide yet... and it DEFINITELY won't be happening for existing homes... it's just NOT HAPPENING. And if it does, it won't be for some old farm house. Here is what is being proposed...

So, ya'll can cool down a bit... on this issue anyway...

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 17:18

that isn't all that clear-cut.
it does mention new standards for existing homes,
and does not preclude mr. beck's accusation.

catdaddy · 07-01-09, 17:30

Since when has this administration, or even government in general, stopped at just a little fuckin?

Seems to me they usually give you the whole Johnson, and this (and previous) admins have proven they don't give a damn if they trash the constitution- what makes anyone think there isn't another deep screwing in this legislation?

They take yer freedoms, they take all they can.

Don't expect mercy.

chimp · 07-01-09, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by lysergic

I'm pretty sure in Ca you can get "antique" plates on anything before a certain year...

That is true, cars older of the model year 1975 and older are smog exempt.
They are not required to be "smogged" at all. Those 1976 and newer are required to pass the state emissions test. If they fail the test there is a window of time ( I forget exactly how long ) for the vehicle's emmissions system to be brought up to snuff and it can then be retested. If the vehicle does not pass in the alloted time it is not lawful for it to be registered normally..it must be registered as a "gross polluter" and then receives a salvged title by the DMV.

I was in the auto industry for over 15 years in CA and when this law was passed I was living and working in California.

At first the law was passed with a 30 year rolling system..in other words any car 30 years or older was considered exempt..that since has been changed to what I described above.

In relation, If you recall awhile back cfc refrigerants were outlawed in air conditioners for vehicles. Non-CFC (R-134A)refrigerants became an industry req for the new models. However, the law was written and still has a moratorium for those that came stock with the cfc refrigerants and that moratorium is still in force to this day, however cfc refrigerant is extremely expensive.

An interesting note is that after years of the new non cfc refrgierants being mandated research has proved that they are both bad for the environment...It was just a racket...the price of cfc refrigerant skyrocketed and alot of folks had their systems converted as a result. Money for the chem companies money for the DMV's and money for the parts suppliers for the vehicles being altered.

It's all about money folks.

mushroommaster7 · 07-01-09, 17:52

this guy doesn't understand it's easier said than done

reminds me how far to the right i am sometimes

Sweet_Pea · 07-01-09, 18:03

All I have read...there has been nothing said about a "moratorium" on older homes...in fact everyone is saying differently....but seeing as how most have not been able to read the bill in entirety....we won't know for sure unless it gets passed by senate.

420j4u · 07-01-09, 18:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoyoteMesc

Yup,
him AND Sean Hannity have nailed it from the beginning.

http://www.jasonlewisshow.com/main.html
On that note: I'd like to promote my guy Jason Lewis. Just went national recently, so he can probably be heard in your area on an affiliate.

Hannity and Beck and company are great. But they are a lot about sensationalism and entertainment. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

But Lewis is more about here are the facts, here are my sources, this is why these sources are credible, here are the numbers, etc. He is big on praising President Obama when he does right, and not jumping on him for the small things as not to cry wolf. He also has legitimate alternative ideas of his own. He doesn't just tell you why the proposed plans won't/ have never worked.

He is able to explain economics in a way that most people can understand. His show is seriously like an economics class.
He can help you understand the economic aspects of bills like Cap & trade, the Stimulus bill, healthcare, etc. And when you check his facts.... We all do that right? You find that he was spot on every time.

There, that's my commercial.... Call your local radio stations today and get them to carry the Jason Lewis show.

catdaddy · 07-01-09, 18:46

Harry Reed has made it clear that this bill will NOT be available, in it's entirety, for the public to peruse, at least for the 5 days we were promised...

Can't have us KNOWING what they're voting on, can they? Since THEY don't read the bills before voting on them...

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 18:47

where's madame defarge when you need some knitting done...

catdaddy · 07-01-09, 19:31

I do not believe in a violent overthrow of a tyrannical government- yet.

Nor vengeance upon those who do so vilely use us.

That may change.

BUT- there are many that do, and I forsee a time in the near future when the sins of certain "leaders" may result in their ruin.

That they seem so inclined to rush headlong into making law of what they do not fully understand concerns me.

Why do they rush like lemmings into the uncharted and into areas of obvious peril, to all of us?

What motivates them to do so, at the risk of loss of approval, stature, employment?

Could it be that there is something, someone(s) that they fear more than the electorate?

That they would so willingly follow this course of danger toward proven catastrophe?

Or is it just that they are FUCKIN" BLIND AND STUPID?

I find it hard to believe that anyone who can get themselves elected to high office can be that stupid, (or I could until Acorn got that numbnuts Franken elected...)

WE are in for a royal fuckin'.

This crapbucket ain't passed yet, and NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE is right behind it...

Put away some groceries kiddies, they'll be expensive soon!

ruderalis · 07-01-09, 21:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420j4u

Hannity and Beck and company are great. But they are a lot about sensationalism and entertainment. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

There's a lot wrong with that.
They spread biased opinions in the name of "news".
And the fact that FOX News focuses on so much pop culture bullshit
during the not-so-cheap airtime which exists to provide IMPORTANT news,
just plain pisses me off.

420j4u · 07-01-09, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruderalis

There's a lot wrong with that.
They spread biased opinions in the name of "news".
And the fact that FOX News focuses on so much pop culture bullshit
during the not-so-cheap airtime which exists to provide IMPORTANT news,
just plain pisses me off.

They are just man enough to admit their bias. And do regularly. Which is more than I can say for Oberfart or matthead. And really just about everyone at MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc.

ruderalis · 07-01-09, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420j4u

They are just man enough to admit their bias. And do regularly. Which is more than I can say for Oberfart or matthead. And really just about everyone at MSNBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, etc.

So the forcing of one's biases on others is the defining factor of manhood?

And just because I don't like fox news DOESN'T mean I advocate other networks. The problem with America is everyone's absurd infatuation with national icons. People need to think for themselves. Not eat up every bit of crap that spews from the television.

~Hippie3 · 07-01-09, 21:24

no one
is forced to watch,
that's hyperbole.
change the fuggin' channel mate.

chrissakes,
stop being a victim-
if you watch , blame yourself.

i haven't watched any tv shows at all
since late last august.
still alive and reasonable sane
so anyone can do it
if i can...

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07-01-09, 07:36	#2 (permalink)
Oblivion Join me there Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,806	Look at the droves of brainwashed people that applaud this horseshit. It's fucked and so are we. No other way to put it. __________________ Delivery from ignorance is bliss.

07-01-09, 07:46	#3 (permalink)
firerat Seller of Hose Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,163	OMG is this shit real? This is absolutely insane man. __________________ I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.

07-01-09, 07:49	#5 (permalink)
junior1 Cacooey Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 134	What Bullshit __________________ Now in HPS yellow!!

07-01-09, 08:16	#9 (permalink)
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07-01-09, 07:48	#4 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	hmm, maybe not, might only apply to new construction [still not a good idea] researching to find the actual text of the bill...

07-01-09, 07:54	#6 (permalink)
smilinjack Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 158	Man this is going to screw me. I was going to sell my house and move after I finished my RN degree but I will be screwed now cause there are few jobs where I live and I won't be able to afford to bring my house up to code to sell it. They have gone too far this time. I don't understand, all of this energy conservation isn't doing anything to solve the real problem of energy independence, it is just making life harder for everyone. I agree with you hip we will have a republican next term and it will be many years before we have another democrat. The obama camp has royally screwed up the furture of the democratic party. Hey Hip could you please post a link to where you found this infomation. I am looking but can't seem to find it. If were going to start modeling everthing based on california then where the hell is my medical marijuana?

07-01-09, 08:06	#7 (permalink)
smilinjack Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 158	Nevermind hip I found it.

07-01-09, 08:07	#8 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	well, i found it on another board i frequent but i don't really want to tell on myself by posting a link back to there...

07-01-09, 08:26	#10 (permalink)
smilinjack Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 158	Well I thought I found what I was looking for but I was wrong so if anyone can find a link for this please post it.

07-01-09, 08:29	#11 (permalink)
Sweet_Pea Pea Shooter Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 140	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEFlX...layer_embedded This is Glenn Beck talking about it This Cap and Trade bill is utter crap.....it is Marxism at its finest. __________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it

07-01-09, 08:36	#12 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	He's a fucking idiot. People tried to spread the word about his fucking radical ways. But folks were so wrapped up in "change" they couldn't focus on what THAT change was/is going to be. You should see what he wants to put on businesses with this shit. At a time where we need jobs, need businesses to do business here, we need to be competitive in the market. At a a a time were America's economy is dependent on what we do NOW> THis fucking idiot wants to mandate a damn bill that will either put em out of business because they cant pay for it or they'll simply just pack up and move their shit to china and double their profit due to the lack of Energy Efficient bull shit. Those businesses that stay here and stay in operation, guess who'll be paying for this shit in the end....you got it....you and I. lol, boy that ban wagon is emptying FAST... AND GET THIS all this bull shit because of what......Global Warming.....LMFAO how many scientist and weather professionals are now saying that this is CRAP. 100's and 100's, thats how many. SO with out going in to that with detail....Obamanation is trying to pass the largest increase in American history on a fucking MYTH!, or at best...something that is not proven. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

07-01-09, 08:41	#13 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	not a fan of glenn beck but i guess this time he may have it right. if so, buckle up, this ride is going to make the great depression looks like a trip to disneyland. better get those survival skills honed sharp, and start looking for any way you can earn a few extra bucks before you end up living in a sheet metal hut, a tent, or a cardboard box. or your car, if you're a lucky SOB since you won't have any gas for it anyway.

07-01-09, 08:47	#14 (permalink)
CoyoteMesc howling mad Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,087	Yup, him AND Sean Hannity have nailed it from the beginning. __________________ WOODY: Hey, Mr. Peterson, there's a cold one waiting for you. NORM: I know. If she calls, I'm not here.[ (Cheers)

07-01-09, 08:50	#15 (permalink)
Sweet_Pea Pea Shooter Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 140	I read somewhere that many members of the house that voted on it didn't even read the bill....the rep. from Hawaii said "You’d have to have hours and hours and hours to be able to do all that, but we’re well aware of the main items.” I also read this opinion on cap and trade and IMO it is right on The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. And in return the results of the higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result. As Hip said....survival skills are a must. __________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it

07-01-09, 09:02	#16 (permalink)
smilinjack Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 158	Yeah this really pisses me off. I was watching cspan a few nights ago and they were voting on amendments to the healthcare bill and half of the people being forced to vote on it hadn't even been able to read though it completely. I would love to know how this is supposed to be in our best interests. I guess democracy(we have never been totally democratic) is gove forever. How long is it going to be before we collapse like every other socalist nation on the globe? I know china is still booming but they will sputter too and the decline will begin. I myself am seriously considering selling everthing I can and heading south of the border while I can still get out.

07-01-09, 09:09	#17 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	http://www.zazzle.com/dont_blame_me_...39782203470871

07-01-09, 09:13	#18 (permalink)
Sweet_Pea Pea Shooter Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 140	Socialism preaches equality....only thing we will all be equal in is our shared misery....I don't know how long it will take to fail...but at the expedited rate this administration is pushing this garbage on us....it could be sooner than later....the reason china hasn't failed...."if you call mass amounts of people living in squalor working for pennies on the dollar not failed" is because they are communist and they kill people for not doing what they want. The only way they can change human behavior is by force and compulsion.....I'll go down fighting first. __________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it

07-01-09, 11:16	#23 (permalink)
wildburr Midnight Toker Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,296	I would hope that they grandfather older homes, there is no way I could afford to update my 1930's home. Obama and his liberal socialist cronies are so open minded their brains have fallen out. __________________ Silence is Golden, but Duct tape is Silver.

07-01-09, 11:40	#24 (permalink)
MsShroom Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 127	Obama and his liberal socialist cronies are so open minded their brains have fallen out. Great line Wildburr! Last edited by MsShroom; 07-01-09 at 11:40. Reason: misspelling

07-01-09, 11:48	#25 (permalink)
RestartLater Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 360	Here they have put countless windmill's in place but they have been asked this question...... After we the electric consumers have paid enough on our electricity bills to cover the cost of the windmills and new electricity lines will you lower our bills...... They just laughed at us :{ Business as usual no matter who the president is bend over and like it RestartLater

07-01-09, 13:26	#26 (permalink)
catdaddy herding kittens Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,321	Now wait just a minute. All this is the fault of the previous administration. Our new Pres has only been in office ___ days. (you can reuse this later) Let's give him some time- say a year or two and see if his plans are going to work. It hasn't had time to yet! And he's going to give us so MUCH! We won't have to worry about paying our mortgages, or putting gas in our cars, or affording medical care! Oh my Gracious God! THANK YOU for sending us this new Messiah! __________________ American history is full of heroes; men of great prowess and great renown... But only one Catdaddy.

07-01-09, 13:39	#27 (permalink)
seedlessstinky1 Stinks Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,480	Fuck that! This is bullshit! Dirty bastard.. __________________ Cognition of truth brings liberation from all restrictions Last edited by seedlessstinky1; 07-01-09 at 13:41. Reason: THought about it.

07-01-09, 13:57	#28 (permalink)
ruderalis Genetic Anomaly Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 292	I can't imagine them forcing a country wide efficiency code on older houses. Same reason auto inspections don't use present day requirements on older cars. Now I could see the code enforcing structural efficiency on older homes, just to make sure some yuppie doesn't buy a house that's one good breeze away from collapsing on their ass. But as far as electrical issues, surely they won't put todays technological expectations into a 100 year old house.

07-01-09, 15:12	#31 (permalink)
rocketman GATE KEEPER Join Date: Feb 1971 Posts: 4,951	QUOTE OF THE MONTH "Gentlemen, today we must cross that treeline and engage the enemy. He is our brother, father, cousin, uncle; our neighbor and friend. We must prevail. We must kill them all. May God have mercy on our souls." - Lt. Jeremiah Colson, Confederate Army 1863 WARNING OF THE MONTH Over 5,000 years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel , "Pick up your shovels, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land." Nearly 75 years ago, Roosevelt said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a camel. This is the promised land." Now Obama is going to steal your shovels, kick your asses, raise the price of camels, and mortgage the promised land. Sorry for injecting that bit of humor here as it may not belong. I do however think new construction should meet energy efficiency codes. It will only help the homeowners save money down the road. I hope ANY existing home is excluded. If laws are in line with the automobile emissions then the cost for improving a homes efficiency can be massive. The automobile moratorium is only on 1975 and older. This would effect the majority of homes in the country...my guess. I lived in a large city for many years and have seen with my own eyes the difference in construction of houses over the years. The most notable was when my brother was remodeling an attic in his depression era house, we found only wadded up newspaper for insulation. The cost for blowing in insulation would be a few thousand dollars in most cases they can blow it in by making small holes in the walls and ceilings. Most average home owners would feel the hurt of such a bill. Then the houses hvac unit would have to meet a certain efficiency rating, and this is where it gets even more costly. For the smallest 2 ton heat pump you will pay 2500 or more installed. Most units i would guess average around the 4 ton and up size, as the above mentioned heat pump is what i use for a single upstairs room around 500sq ft. I have over 10k in a middle of the road rated central unit for the main floor, plus the heat pump for upstairs. If they want us to upgrade efficiency I am all for it if they pay the tab. I would love to have a geo thermal unit for my home, but the truth is I went with a middle of the road 14 seer unit due to cost. I pay nearly 300 dollars a month to air condition the place in summer. I know I could lower it by several means, but I need my 72f. I agree this affects rich and poor, but the poor will be the ones that lose with a retroactive efficiency law. Funny how Al gores 25k a month electric bill doesnt bother him. __________________ "regret is the only way to lose the game." H3

07-01-09, 15:46	#34 (permalink)
firerat Seller of Hose Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,163	We stopped doing emissions tests here 10 years ago. __________________ I believe in God, only I spell it Nature.

07-01-09, 15:48	#35 (permalink)
seedlessstinky1 Stinks Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,480	No emissions for certain counties here either.....Go into the city and bang...you're out another 26bucks... __________________ Cognition of truth brings liberation from all restrictions

07-01-09, 16:49	#37 (permalink)
johnnydigital Former Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 713	There is nothing of the sort being proposed... that's what ya get for listening to Glen Beck... Nobody's coming into your home to check your efficiency and forcing you to do anything. Period. Obama, with the blessing of the major auto makers, did just work out new CAFE standards nationwide, based on the California model, but that part has nothing to do with homes. What DOES have to do with homes, and what California did, with it's Green Building Code, was to make new efficiency standards for the BUILDING OF NEW HOMES, which are VOLUNTARY until 2010, after which point they are expected to become mandatory, but apparently it's still being figured out... . But that's ONLY for California... nothing of the sort is happening nationwide yet... and it DEFINITELY won't be happening for existing homes... it's just NOT HAPPENING. And if it does, it won't be for some old farm house. Here is what is being proposed... So, ya'll can cool down a bit... on this issue anyway...

07-01-09, 17:18	#38 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	that isn't all that clear-cut. it does mention new standards for existing homes, and does not preclude mr. beck's accusation.

07-01-09, 17:30	#39 (permalink)
catdaddy herding kittens Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,321	Since when has this administration, or even government in general, stopped at just a little fuckin? Seems to me they usually give you the whole Johnson, and this (and previous) admins have proven they don't give a damn if they trash the constitution- what makes anyone think there isn't another deep screwing in this legislation? They take yer freedoms, they take all they can. Don't expect mercy. __________________ American history is full of heroes; men of great prowess and great renown... But only one Catdaddy.

07-01-09, 17:52	#41 (permalink)
mushroommaster7 mycopsychologist Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 897	this guy doesn't understand it's easier said than done reminds me how far to the right i am sometimes __________________ Ginseng Some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).

07-01-09, 18:03	#42 (permalink)
Sweet_Pea Pea Shooter Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 140	All I have read...there has been nothing said about a "moratorium" on older homes...in fact everyone is saying differently....but seeing as how most have not been able to read the bill in entirety....we won't know for sure unless it gets passed by senate. __________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it

07-01-09, 18:46	#44 (permalink)
catdaddy herding kittens Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,321	Harry Reed has made it clear that this bill will NOT be available, in it's entirety, for the public to peruse, at least for the 5 days we were promised... Can't have us KNOWING what they're voting on, can they? Since THEY don't read the bills before voting on them... __________________ American history is full of heroes; men of great prowess and great renown... But only one Catdaddy.

07-01-09, 18:47	#45 (permalink)
~Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 42,760	where's madame defarge when you need some knitting done...

07-01-09, 19:31	#46 (permalink)
catdaddy herding kittens Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,321	I do not believe in a violent overthrow of a tyrannical government- yet. Nor vengeance upon those who do so vilely use us. That may change. BUT- there are many that do, and I forsee a time in the near future when the sins of certain "leaders" may result in their ruin. That they seem so inclined to rush headlong into making law of what they do not fully understand concerns me. Why do they rush like lemmings into the uncharted and into areas of obvious peril, to all of us? What motivates them to do so, at the risk of loss of approval, stature, employment? Could it be that there is something, someone(s) that they fear more than the electorate? That they would so willingly follow this course of danger toward proven catastrophe? Or is it just that they are FUCKIN" BLIND AND STUPID? I find it hard to believe that anyone who can get themselves elected to high office can be that stupid, (or I could until Acorn got that numbnuts Franken elected...) WE are in for a royal fuckin'. This crapbucket ain't passed yet, and NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE is right behind it... Put away some groceries kiddies, they'll be expensive soon! __________________ American history is full of heroes; men of great prowess and great renown... But only one Catdaddy.