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10-09-09, 07:13
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| Mycophiliac  Join Date: Oct 2008
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And the prize goes to... BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA! I honestly feel that the nobel peace prize was awarded to Obama much too early in his career... but honestly, maybe this will make the man venture a bit more into true efforts at stabilization and advancement of this country and the world. I know there are probably many of you who feel the man does not deserve it, and I honestly don't think he deserves it either... However, this should be a great honor to the man, and let's all hope it doesn't go to his head. Let's also all hope that the man lives up to the implications this award means. Kudos to our president, though. Let's see how this new information sits in the bellies of the GOP. |
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10-09-09, 08:20
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Jeeze, yer kiddin' right? How do you think it will sit with them...Glenn Beck will have a friggin' conniption fit, I guar-an-tee. A common misconception about the Nobel peace prize is that it is given only after the "peace making" efforts come to fruition, at the end of a career. It is more often awarded during the process, as encouragement to keep working. Achieving peace isn't enough, it must also be maintained. With the partisan rock throwing going on in America today, Obama needs a little encouragement like this. I think it's pretty cool.
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10-09-09, 08:46
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Oh nevermind.
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10-09-09, 10:41
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Another common misconception is that the award necessarily has anything to do with peacemaking efforts at all. Let's not forget that they gave one to Henry Kissinger.  And in the case of Obama, shouldn't they have at least waited until he started his peace making efforts?
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10-09-09, 10:46
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Seems stupid to me to award a US president based on what they've claimed to be attempting. Not that he isn't doing it, but our political representatives have proven to be the biggest bunch of liars (Obama included) time and time again, and have consistently not followed through with huge portions of their platforms. Who knows, though. Maybe this will force him to keep to what he said. |
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10-09-09, 11:17
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10-09-09, 11:38
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I immediately thought it was a nod from the rest of the world in that they approve of Obama as compared to the previous administration. It is a more peaceful world now that Darth Cheney isn't President anymore! I will also say that I cannot think of why Obama would win the award at this point. We are still in a horrible, ever-worsening situation in Afghanistan; and Iraq isn't exactly a popular vacation spot for Merle and June from Heartland, USA. And Guantanamo Bay is still running . . . |
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10-09-09, 11:48
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And perhaps more deviously, they (think that they) have now forced Obama to live up to the prize. Quote:
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10-09-09, 12:53
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I know this will piss off a few here but no way in hell does he deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. Quote:
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10-09-09, 13:18
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its a political move in the short term its related to afghanistan the europeans can now send troops to help "the man of peace" bring about more peace in afghanistan vs. it being viewed as kinda of "revenge for 9/11" type of war sending soldiers in support of that is something european leaders cannot justify to their ppl but helping a peace prize nobel laureate stabilise and help a war-torn region that is worthy and elevated in the long term they see the energy resource wars coming getting people in a room to discuss things and seriously pushing for the development of new energy resources is the most significant thing for peace for the next 20-40 years darfur is about oil |
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10-09-09, 15:25
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Just seen on the news Obama Won the Nobel Peace Prize WTF???? News said it was for the work hes done as President last time I checked his hasnt dont anything!!!! His talks sounds like he is still on the campaign wagon!!!! He hasnt created any new jobs & is still wasnt money!!! where is Bush's Nobel Peace Prize???? Hes got us to where we are today!!! I wish I received a Nobel Peace Prize for being a screw up!!!!! |
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10-09-09, 15:58
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What the hell is happening in this country? When did we become so partisan that we wanted to hurt everybody just so the other side would loose face? We characterize the administration as socialists and our leader as a Nazi. We cheer when the US looses the Olympic games. We boo when our President wins a Nobel Prize. We take guns to health care town halls and let the insurance companies tell us what to scream at our representatives. Our research department is Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Our mouth piece is Sarah Palin. WTF? It makes me sick to my stomach. Quick, somebody come throw some partisan rocks and scream about how our President is ruining your country.
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10-09-09, 16:51
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And ya wanna give Bush a prize for that? Why did Obama win the Nobel? To quote Thorbjorn Jagland, one of the people on the selection committee: "We are hoping this may contribute a little bit for what he is trying to do. [The Nobel Prize] is a clear signal to the world that we want to advocate the same as he has done to promote international diplomacy. We have to get the world on the right track again. Look at the level of confrontation we had just a few years ago. Now we get a man who is not only willing but probably able to open dialogue and strengthen international institutions." To quote their citation: "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
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10-09-09, 17:24
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the holder of the office of american president is the "most powerful person in the world" obama is proving singularly capable of accumulating power and, with the US leading the world at 50% of global military spending, to a certain extent only obama's opinion matters when it comes to peace in the world everyone else responds, positively or negatively depending on what his view is so when he uses the UN instead of MOAB as the primary approach to dealing with the world and international conflict, fewer ppl die. thats fact, thats peace others seem to be playing along so far he deserves it in principle, more than anyone else in recent times, who else has that much weight? you all should really watch his cspan interview on the audacity of hope where he talks about what it means to him to be president of the united states specifically, he compares the amount of influence you can have as a senator vs. the level you can as president in a sense, none of this is surprising, read their books, him and rahm, they have big plans "if you are planning to lift a big weight, better have the muscle to do it" | |
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10-09-09, 18:43
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this is the most concise post about shit i've seen in a while - BB right on man. ! seams like everyone is just trying to get a leg up by stepping on people - shouting "listen to me" ... it seams that the only crap people are listening to is the far right OR the far left ...what happened to the logical sensible middle. we're all fucked unless we collectively get our shit together ...
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10-09-09, 19:54
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Fuck that..lol Little Boy Blue gets his prize on hopes to lure him to even START the race. lol Buck, I totally disagree. We the people need to do even more. War can be beneficial in times like these, a revolutionary war. Well, dont think we are that far yet, but hey, its only been a short ten months. Give it a couple more years, or less. I dont believe any admin has spent this much money in such a short amount of time and had pulled NOTHING from this magical hat.. The man is awarded a Nobel Peace Price for promises and ideas that many before him have made and failed to follow through, so he's something new? Has he successfully completed ANYTHING yet? The man wouldn't even me with Dalai Lama, COME ON, Dalai Lama. Do you know why? Think China may be in Obamas head?
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10-09-09, 21:34
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Look I'm not a fan of Obama mysef nor am I a fan of him winning the Nobel prize for my own reasons. But there's a reason I haven't said much in here. The president bashing needs to stop. This isn't the place for it and it's not what this thread is supposed to be about, so cool it ok.
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10-09-09, 21:35
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10-09-09, 23:44
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Coyote - don't take this the wrong way, man...but what the fuck have You the people done? Chill the rhetoric, man. Hippie3 - fuck politics. An incredibly healthy and important perspective that I completely agree with. 'Tis why I opposed introducing politics onto this forum so vociferously after the election. Firerat - throwing rocks solves nothing and just makes us dig trenches to avoid rocks. I couldn't agree with you more. FUCK THIS HATRED OPPOSITION NOISE. This is OUR country. We are ALL Americans. Administrations change. Power players shift. WE must all still live TOGETHER. We don't hate our brothers whom we know personally - we hate constructs and generalities that almost nobody actually matches. Courtesy never changes. Being offensive just to offend never changes. These are constants just like human disagreements over "basic" ideas are constant. I prefer courtesy and the polite exchange of ideas to warfare and name calling. It is why I love Mycotopia so much.
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10-10-09, 01:15
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Why throw rocks when you can get fucked up and giggle? It is bitch beast hard to hold a bowl and a lighter and a rock. Just sayin.
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The award is often given with the thought of the potential to do great things. It really isn't just about reward past accomplishments. I don't think anything negative can come of this other than his political enemies being upset. If anything, it will at least help improve our world image. Interesting to read about it really.
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10-10-09, 09:51
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I_am_me: I only mentioned Kissinger because although he may have had a great potential for a lot of things, in one instance of his political genius he personally engineered events that caused the violent deaths of untold thousands of people (the secret bombing of Cambodia). At that was just one instance. Death can be a form of peace, I suppose, and in that sense he richly deserved some sort of prize for delivering so much of it to so many. I think a big part of the problem we're having with partisan rhetoric and flaring anger is that the smoke-and-mirrors nature of politics is becoming a bit more transparent to increasing numbers of people, and it understandably pisses them (us) off. It might be a function of our society reaching a point where the stakes are getting terrifyingly high but we still lack the visionary thinking, resource allocation, and unified sense of purpose it will take for us to craft (and then endure) the transition from where we are now to the kind of civilization we need to become if we want to continue existing without sudden and drastic drops in the population in the near future. Maybe most people are only really aware of it on a subconscious level, but perhaps this awareness manifests as the sense of desperation that fuels the increasingly bitter partisan anger that seems to be growing? Fear causes humans to circle the wagons and see other circles of wagons as attackers, and it's all downhill from there. I think a big part of the issue with Obama getting the Peace Prize is most people's conception of a 'prize.' I'd wager most of us would say prizes are recognition for things we've accomplished, not things others would like to see us accomplish (otherwise we're all eligible for quite a few prizes, then). So, if the Prize is given as a 'push' instead of an award, it's merely a tool of political theater among many others in the same old game which I think is ultimately going to further diminish the status of the Peace Prize in the minds of a lot of people. I've long thought it to be an award devoid of much meaning (unlike, say, the Nobel Prize for Chemistry) , and I wouldn't even call myself a cynic. My friends and I can gather together and vote to award Peace Prizes too, but ours confer no prestige or power so no one cares who we award them to, no one quietly moves behind the scenes to game our selection process, and no one seeks to sway our votes to push an agenda. And if we can't think of anyone else to award a Peace Prize to then I'd say the mainstream media is doing it's job well and keeping the masses ignorant of anything substantive, like the work of the countless unsung volunteers and activists sacrificing material comforts, their freedom, and in many cases their lives for... PEACE. But no, give it to a guy who had to sacrifice nothing as he offered us little more than a secular prayer: Hope (the 'stimulus' money isn't backed by anything so it's technically "hope" too). I've been hoping in one hand since he took office and shitting in the other and guess which hand is now overflowing? It was the shift in consciousness of the people themselves that is to be credited for any improvements in global diplomacy or ratcheting-down of tension; Obama was just a focal point for their thoughts. We will have evolved to the point where we have a shot at surviving as a species when we can create those kinds of shifts as needed within ourselves, completely independently of some charismatic figure coming along that we invest our 'hopes' and 'dreams' in. One hazard is that when the charismatic figure falls, so do his followers, so what happens to "Hope" if Obama totally fucks up or gets taken out? One thing's for sure, it won't be Peace. It's the old Hero myth revisited; Someone Bigger Will Save Us. Heroes have a way of devolving into Despots even in the best of circumstances. Criticizing that dangerous myth is the whole point of Frank Herbert's Dune, which is why I tell everyone it's a 'must read.' Those who have read it will know what I'm getting at if I'm not explaining it very well here. I carved a pipe out of a rock once, and I'm not being facetious at all in my suggestion of combining the two (rock + pipe) in both the metaphoric sense and the literal. I'd be happy to smoke out of it without incident for the rest of my life, but it's nice to have it handy in case I need it to be a rock. You never know when a Hero might arrive to try to 'help' you, and having a pipe you can also use as a rock offers that much more flexibility in terms of responses. Or at least I hope so.
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10-10-09, 10:15
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I'm with Hip on this "Fuck Politics" And with that I exit this thread and all other political threads, I didnt want political discussion back on the boards either. Its just creates more dissention amongst ourselves at a time when we really need to come together as a people. This rock throwing at each other needs to stop or our country will not ever get any better. Both sides have valid points and bullshit ones as well, its the extremism from both sides that are really getting us into trouble. I'm conservative but not to the extreme and I know there are some here that are liberal but not to the extreme. Lets just please all get back to what this site is all about, education on topics we all love (Mycology and others).
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10-10-09, 10:41
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Hey buck, no offense taken..but so far ME the people have lost 35% of my 401k, gave up health benefits (because of the current economy negotiations were not in our favor), watched family suffer from losing 10 yrs worth of work, lend ears to friends that have been laid off work, etc. BTW, I could give two shits what anyone here believe about my president. Im not trying to persuade anyone from anything. Just voicing my opinion on the subject man. You tell me what else ME the single man can do? That is part of many problems. Folks do not know what else to do but listen, do what we are ask, hold out the storm and pray for the best. So many things turning to shit faster than ever before in my life time; And for many folks older than I. Mean while the man that is part of this thing has done nothing so far to even help let alone repair and he is given a top honor. FUCK THAT. So hell yeah, FUCK POLITICS lets just ride the waive and end up where we end up. "If you dont want to be stolen from dont deal with thieves."
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10-10-09, 11:42
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its not that there are not other people who have done substantive things for peace its that his scope is so much greater than anyone else, even a tiny action on his part has such a large effect but his actions are not tiny, he has 80-90% approval rating in europe according to some polls ppl there trust him more than their own leaders who our leaders are matters he is showing by example that u can be powerful and use that power to help others, and that leads to greater power instead of padding your buddies pockets he can redefine the culture of the powerful so that in the future being ethical and moral is the mainstream of politics instead of the shit we see today no one is perfect but at least he is making motions towards helping everyone unlike some one else who was recently running things |
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mind about just as the majority did about Regan. Bush was not the brightest man that we have had in charge but as the past and future will show, not the most destructive we have had either. Getting off track a bit so Ill get back on. Nothing that is said now will change what he has been awarded. Only thing now, we hope that he can come through with/accomplish 5% of his promises. My point being I hope that our President will earn what has been given to him. Not just the NPP but the hope of millions of Americans. Its off to a REAL rough start. Or has he started?
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10-10-09, 13:47
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The thing is, the Nobel Peace prize is fundamentally different from the sciences prizes. It always has been. It doesn't have the same type of selection criteria, it isn't given in the classical sense of a "prize." Kissinger's win is a classic example. Carter's as well. Wilson got it for the League of Nations - a good idea that collapsed almost immediately after it's formation. The Nobel folks gave him the prize because they liked the idea of a world governing body to solve problems that affect the whole world. That idea later reformed to become the United Nations. But that doesn't change the fact that Wilson won the Nobel Peace prize for something that failed. The Nobel Peace prize has always been a political statement. Peace isn't an easily quantifiable thing like chemistry or physics. Peace is a fundamentally political animal in the modern world. Heroes aren't always a bad thing. Hope isn't always a bad thing. Throwing rocks isn't always a bad thing. I would go for a rock chillum over a pipe, though. When shit goes down, it would make a nice club... Without the involvement of a lot more people in society, politics and government - nothing is going to change at all. But screaming slogans isn't involvement that classically breeds constructive and lasting change. Tea bag rallies with 11 year old automatons telling crowds exactly what they want to hear does not classically breed constructive and lasting change. Involvement, discussion, understanding and action bring lasting constructive change. More people are involved than have been in a while, but fewer people are really talking than have in a while. There is an ugly "Us VS. Them" mentality these days where Us and Them are all Americans. There are people in the peanut gallery these days who genuinely believe that our leaders want to physically destroy this country. Ann Coulter honestly believes that liberals want to destroy America. The concept is ludicrous on it's face, but it is still shouted from the rooftops. It is easy to say Obama has done nothing. It isn't true, but it is easy because of the things that have stalled in the media. Health care is a perfect example. But why is health care stalled? We all agree that people shouldn't go bankrupt and loose their homes because a drunk with no insurance hits 'em and puts them in intensive care for 2 weeks. We all agree that medical care should be accessible, affordable and of good quality. So why are we screaming epithets instead of talking about this important problem? Why is Obama so viciously beaten up for saying, "This shit is important, we gotta do something about it." He takes the lumps because he is the guy standing in the front of the shitstorm that is American politics and saying, "Look, we gotta change some things." I respect hell out of the guy for that. Things do need to change. This current trip we are on is a dead ender. I was a very vocal Reagan supporter, by the way. He was a damned good president. I got in a lot of fights with my punk friends who had no idea what Reganomics meant but loved to call him the devil anyway. I think Hope and Change are good mantras for this modern America. But neither of those mean jack without involvement, discussion, understanding and action from We The People of The United States Of America.
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Great post and agreed. On another note of the same subject. I also think that with this announcement that it will make things more difficult for him. ie A parent giving a junior a car for graduation when he is three semesters behind with failing grades. The pressure has now been turned up a notch.
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Over the long run, I don't think it will have much impact. He'll pull a couple extra million on the lecture circuit 10 years from now, but today it's just another talking point. It's a million bucks that will go to a charity (or start a foundation) and an opportunity for another good speech. It just bothers me to hear people throwing rocks about the President winning a prize that reflects well upon him and the country as a whole. And I guess I'm kind of naive, but it really shocked me to hear Limbaugh say: "Our president is a worldwide joke. Folks, do you realize something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about, and that is he doesn't deserve the award. Now that's hilarious, that I'm on the same side of something with the Taliban, and that we all are on the same side as the Taliban." He sounds like an angry 13 year old girl. Two weeks a go, I would have made a sarcastic joke like, "shit, Limbaugh would piss on it if Obama won a Nobel prize." But I would have been joking at the extreme absurdity of it. Weird as Hell to actually see it. Shocking.
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I guess I'm one of the very few who pretty much abhors everything Reagan did... Oh well, fuck it. That's just me. When people say Reagan single-handedly demolished communist Russia, I want to tell them to talk to a Russian history professor, or at least talk to anyone who took History of Russia 101... that country was rotting from the inside out, and Reagan didn't speed up the process one fucking bit. He set up modern politics as we see them, corrupt and shitty and screwing the common man on a daily basis. We are all entitled to our own opinions. I didn't start this thread for partisan bullshit, I was honestly just surprised by the news...
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I happen to think Reagan and Clinton were the two greatest presidents of the modern age. Ya gotta look all the way back to Roosevelt to find another period of comparable American prosperity. But everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
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