being marc emery

[Invader Zim]

any of you think that this recent conservative vote will affect emery in anyway? think the canadian gov will be less likely to give him any help?

Isn't it up to the courts, not the government?
RR

[Hippie3]

i don't know enough canadian law to hazard a guess
but it surely won't help.

[xxanxx]

^^True, and I think Rodger is right, it's up to the courts. With the amount of pressure the US can put on Canada, Emery will be serving hard time in a Federal Penn. Or at least that's what I think.....

[mushaman]

If we didn't border the states we might have enough balls to stand up for emery

[chill]

I assume from this thread that he is still in Canada; which is good.

Canadians really don't care about the war on drugs the way the US is doing it and this is reflected in the courts which take public opinion into account when interpretting laws.

The liberals would have been better but he still still stands a chance since only a minority of people voted conservative.

[Hippie3]

i'm not so sure

Thought you guys would find this interesting. I'm gonna watch it tomorrow.




Bob Simon of 60 Minutes Announces Prince of Pot Story
by CBS News (03 Mar, 2006)

Sunday night's 60 Minutes profiles Marc Emery

Bob Simon of 60 Minutes
Bob Simon of 60 Minutes
A Canadian who calls himself the "Prince of Pot" could wind up in a U.S. jail for life for selling marijuana seeds, but says he would be "blessed" because such a plight could help legalize the drug.

60 Minutes correspondent Bob Simon talks to Marc Emery, who had a mail-order pot seed business that Canada ignored and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency wants to prosecute him for, this Sunday, March 5 at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

The last place he wants to be is in jail, but Emery says if the Canadian courts allow the U.S. government to extradite him and a U.S. jury puts him away, he still sees a silver lining.

"I am blessed by what the DEA has done," he tells Simon. "I would rather see marijuana legalized than me being saved from a U.S. jail. I hope that if I am incarcerated, I can influence tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of young people to take up my cause."

The 48-year-old Vancouver, B.C., resident is a fervent activist for the legalization of marijuana and a hero to the movement. He has made several million dollars and claims to have sold more seeds than anyone in the world on his Web site and through a magazine he publishes, "Cannabis Culture."

Selling the seeds is an illegal activity in Canada, but enforcement is rare and punishment light. The drug is legal for medicinal purposes and, overall, Canada has a very laidback attitude toward marijuana. But Emery estimates that the majority of customers he’s sold to over the past decade are Americans. Furthermore, British Columbia is a region that produces very pungent pot known as "BC bud" that is smuggled into the United States, where it's well known. Emery takes pride in the image.

"(British Columbia growers) have had a wonderful marketing man in charge of that campaign — yours truly," boasts Emery.

U.S. officials in Washington also have taken notice, however.

"We have a huge regional, national and international issue here in the growing of marijuana in lower British Columbia," says John McKay, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Washington. "(Emery’s) activities are kind of a leading edge of that marijuana problem."

McKay says the fact that Canadian officials don't regard him as a threat has no bearing in the United States, where marijuana seeds are just as illegal as the plant.

"He's dealing drugs into the United States and violating laws of the United States and we expect to extradite and try him in the United States," vows McKay.

Asked what he thinks of U.S. officials' stance that Emery is a major drug dealer, Canadian Senator Larry Campbell, a former drug officer, says: "If they consider that, then they have bigger problems than I can even imagine. There's simply no way he's a major anything."

There would also be a backlash from Canadians if the U.S. can extradite someone like Emery. "I think there would be outrage," Campbell says.

For McKay, the law is the law. "We have full respect for the laws of Canada … and they respect our laws and he's violated our laws. You know he calls himself the prince of pot but he may become the prince of federal prison," says McKay.

If he goes to prison, Emery wants to be known more as leader rather than a martyr.

"The language I like to use is one of a person, a leader, who’s confident and prepared to accept the punishment that noble purpose will bring about," Emery tells Simon.

View a preview at the 60 Minutes website, and also check out Bob Simon's Reporter's Notebook, linked with the Prince of Pot story.

[Invader Zim]

what channel does 60 min's come on? definatley set my dvr for that one

CBS....I think its an early show too, comes on before prime time stuff. Like 7 est. I think it'll be a good watch.

[Hippie3]

marc likes to talk too much, imhfo.

hahhaha, yeah but its national talk coverage. At least he's not fearing arrest by the USA. I will still watch because I want to hear what is said and how the CBS show handles the topic.

[Jacsprat]

Bob simmon is genraly a fair and balanced reporter.

I have drug court monday morning ,(cultivating M.J.)
So I hope the judge see's 60 min and comes away with a positive influnce.

Well, did anyone watch it? No comments?


I think the DEA agent came off looking like a major idiot and asshole. Bob was pretty much laughing at him when he called marc the biggest drug trafficker in the USA and that they wanted him to get life in prison.

Now, marc I don't think did a great job of getting his point across. I mean he did, but I don't think he is really an eloquently speaking man. But I'm damn impressed by the fact that he is willing to take life in prison for the legalization cause.

So, what was everyone elses take on the interview?


Ohhhh, side note, I was laughing when I saw them fly over the tunnel. I remember the talk of that tunnel and just thought it was funny they mentioned it.

[Bromius]

I was envious of all those people smoking out in public! On a more serious note, at least the piece was not slanted against marijuana use. I was pleased that they acknowledged he was advocating it becoming a controlled substance (I'm not sure if thats the right phrase... but he was for regulation, not just letting people go crazy, which I agree with. Harder to paint pot smokers as irresponsible and reckless that way.)

[Hippie3]

i think marc will live and learn to regret his decisions.

[reverend trips]

I agree with that ^
I would not want to be in his shoes.

All I can say is he's got a set on him, cuz he's looking at serious serious serious, did I say serious, jail time. Life, that is just insane. For selling seeds. Its sad and I wouldn't want to be facing that. But he's at least taking a stand. It more than most (I) do.

The schedualing of it to be comparable to alcohol would completely satisfy me.

[Hippie3]

there's a fine line
between bravery and stupidity
and he crossed it long ago.
he is deluded,
not behaving in a rational fashion
consistent with his circumstances.
he thinks he's some kind of hero, a friggin' martyr no less.
it's sad.

Hip, I get that feeling also. It was one of the dissapointments I had with his personality I got from the interview. He seems deluded in that he doesn't realize how money/courts/dea work in this country. He's not hollywood here so chances are he's going down. But I still think its a shame and feel sad for him. He is speaking out to the best of his knowledge, and making the dea look as foolish as we've known all along. Hopefully others will notice too. Bob the reporter was almost laughing at the dea agent. I was hoping he'd grab the dea agent, shake him hard and say, "hey, why aren't you more worried about homeland security and fighting terrorism? Or catching criminals who actually harm other humans?"

[Lefty]

Me thinks he smoked too much. Ones' own bullshit is a tough check to cash. I admire the courage of his convictions but about three years in I bet his tune changes distinctly.

Yeah lefty, I agree. Its just kinda sad, to know someone is sitting rotting in a cell because of canna seeds. And I bet he feels distinct regret before serving a full year.

[Lefty]

I don't. He'll still be getting fan mail & press for atleast two, and have the hope of appeals. It's when the Christmas cards stop coming & the planet has moved on w/o you that it really hits home. When you KNOW your no longer are apart of jackshit "out in the world" and the first thing you see everyday is a block wall for soo long you don't remember it any other way that it really hits home. But there ain't no home any more, 'cept you draggin' your sorry ass to chow and hopin' you cell ain't robbed, again, while you eat the worlds worst food. His best hope is getting a strain named after him, and he ain't ever gonna get to smoke it until he don't remember what he got out of it in the first place.
60 Minutes didn't help him, I bet anything his lawyer advised against it strongly. He's gonna get fucked hard.

[Hippie3]

he really has no defense,
his 'strategy' is throwing himself on the mercy of the court.
and in that
publicity is his enemy
as the court is conscious of the public policy impact
of its' decisions,
esp. when the world is watching...
he'd be better if it were done in some dark corner, quietly
not in front of tv cameras.

Thanks for letting me see it from both of your sides of view. I never thought of it that way really. And I have to say what you are saying makes a lot of "real sense" to me. More so then the pipe dream he's trying to hang his freedom on.


But then, its all up to the court system really. So, I guess we'll know in the future how it plays out. Canada is most likely going to extradite him, I mean, what do they care if he becomes part of our prison system? Not much is my guess. So he's at the mercy of a skewed judicial system and a country I don't think gives a crap about him.

[Hippie3]

So he's at the mercy of a skewed judicial system and a country I don't think gives a crap about him.

join the crowd

[mushit]

It is just too bad he has to suffer. He is fightning for something that most people believe in. Maybe not the best way to do it, but for him it is the only way. Do you see anyone here willing to do the same? Where is the rebellion of the sixties? The masses are the only way to send a message. Marc is only one person, but he is doing it alone by the looks of it. Where are the lawyers who smoke pot to defend him? They are too afraid of loosing their jobs. It is all bullshit and it is going to stay that way until we all sacrifice what we hold so dear.

Nobody wants to go to jail, but we have all become afraid of the consequences. Lets ALL go to jail and see what production can be done for the country. It will shut it down.

Everyone knows the benefit of this plant. Even the fucking gov't, but they choose to keep the public in the dark. I don't care if they call us Hippies, dope heads, radicals, terrorists, something has to be done and the only thing I have seen in the last 50 years has been the young people of the late sixties and early seventies cause an uproar. Marc is trying to get a following. But people have to actually follow.

I think it is about time we took things in hand. What are they going to do if they find out not only the young, but the middle aged as well, will rebel.

We need Jimmy Carter back.............................................. .

[Hippie3]

Lets ALL go to jail

after you...

[mushit]

Exactly. It has to be the masses.

[Hippie3]

cops are too smart for that.
they never bust everyone smoking at concerts,
just the few that stray too far from the herd.

[mushit]

Very true. I don't know what the ultimate answer is, but something has to be done. Everyone wants it. It looked promising in the 70's but it regressed with Reagan and Bush.

Hahahah, circling the police stations by the masses and burning down. Wouldn't that be classic? The jails can't hold us all, good theory, but I'm not fond of the thought of bars and cinderblock walls.

[mushit]

Neither am I.
But do we leave it up to one person? This is my point. We don't have to go to jail. The internet gives us the tools. The forms of transportation gives us the means to get there. The White House gives us a target. Millions of people converging peacefully all smoking a joint with nothing but a message. No violence involved. Doctors, Lawyers, Businessmen, Working class, all coming together to send a message.

Anything to get it through their thick fucking skulls.

Maybe it is just a dream, but if we leave it up to the current system, it will take another 80+ years to see any progress at all!

I love the sound of it and the vision of it in my head. but then some sort of skewed negative vision comes in of police in riot gear gassing us etc. turning our peacful intent of a stand into mass chaos and a reason for them to make it look the way they want.

Don't get me wrong Mushit! I'm right there in finding a way for it. I just don't have confidence in my power to fight.

What I think about often though, is for instance alcohol and prohibition. It didn't last too long, did it? Not as long as MJ prohibition laws. So, what made the alcoholics different than the MJ smokers? What did they do to fight for their right? I think looking at that closely and using modern technology. Some sort of plan that can include the masses without having to converge in one specific place. I'll never figure it out, but I bet when I hear a pretty good idea I may be ready to take that public stand.

[mushit]

Yup. There has to be a way somehow. I am just throwing out ideas. There are many people out there that have much more knowledge about the legal system than I have. It would be good to see these people take an interest in this fight and take it to new heights.
The prohibition didn't last long with alcohol because the gov't didn't make up lies like they did with pot. Now most of the public believes they are still true. This is what I was talking about in another thread about teaching our children properly.
I am just getting so sick and tired of the gov't trying to protect us from ourselves. And the "goodie goodies" of this world help them.

I could go on forever but I know most of you have heard it all before. I am glad to see there are some people that will go to prison for a good cause. Hmmm. Nelson Mandela. (sp?)

[Hippie3]

a big diff with alcohol prohibition was its' nature as a strictly american phenomenon whereas marijuana prohibition is relatively global.