Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain"

[Invader Zim]

VIENNA - Iran warned the United States on Wednesday it could inflict "harm and pain" to match whatever punishment Washington persuaded the U.N. Security Council to dole out for Tehran's refusal to halt atomic research. "So if the United States wishes to choose that path, let the ball roll," Tehran national security official Javad Vaeedi said.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iran

reports say airstrikes against iran will start before sept. and possible ground proliferation by march '07.....

the image is a military guess on the range of irans long range weapons.

[pskovinsky]

That falls a bit short of the US...

At least they're honest about it all :P

[Hippie3]

it doesn't fall short of NATO,
of which the usa is a member
and is bound by treaty to assist.

[Invader Zim]

look at that map man...they got Adam covered....if they hit Adam i'd pull a scarface with a sinus full of coke...run through the streets of iran with a machette and a m249 and take care of that shit myself....ok so its a pipe dream, but still *IF* and i do mean ***IF*** they are doing what everyone is saying there doing (enriching uranium for use in weapons) then im all for turning iran into a parking lot, to many countries have nukes as it is....no sense in making more.

[Invader Zim]

besides the russians have already offered to enrich all the fuel grade uranium that the iranians want for use in there power plants...they started this under the pretense that they were working on nulcear energy for powering there country (infact were the ones that gave them the equipment to do this).

[Lefty]

Iran should have been razed around the time of the hostage situation, imo. Was sad seeing that eagle in a cage for soo damn long on the nightly news. For some reason this reminds me of something I saw lately about people coming home sick due to depleted uranium bullets and all the cuts at the V.A. hospitals leaving them double screwed.

[anticheffy]

that seems like a very generous estimation of Irans ability to reach out and touch someone. Those ranges are ICBM length, 3 or 4 thousand miles is hard to reach with out the best of missile technology.
Isreal wouldnt be a hard range to shoot, but the far end of europe?

[Jacsprat]

what happens to us lil people when Iran shuts off

their oil wells?

We'll be feeling the " harm an pain" at the pump!

Please keep in mind Iran is four times larger than

Iraq. If we didn't have enought troops for Iraq,

Do ya see where this Bush fella is taking U.S.??

[Hippie3]

we had plenty of troops to whip iraq's ass,
just not to occupy and pacify.
ps- we haven't lost in iraq yet either.


one would imagine that the american military
could bomb iran back to the stone age
without a boot ever touching their soil
if necessary.

let's hope it never comes to that.

this is not just bush taking us to war again,
do you take us for simpletons ?

this is the IAEA and the UN Security Council
and France and Germany ,
not just one madman as you portray.
it's just not as simple as you'd like,
it never is.

[anticheffy]

exactly hip

no need to even go in to the country

we do have missiles that will reach out and touch them,,,,,,,,every time

yes, we do. I've seen them and the silo's they sit in. We've got big missiles.

[Jacsprat]

Check this out Oil Symmetry
Address:http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/26459

[Hippie3]

how much is worth
a million dead victims
from an iranian nuclear strike ?

how utterly selfish to place
the price you pay at the pump
above the safety of millions of others.

his argument holds no weight with me,
i'm just not selfish enough to say
screw everyone else
as long as i get cheap gas.

more power to you if you can,
this world was made by people like that.

[Lefty]

Freaky digs big missiles

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by anticheffy

that seems like a very generous estimation of Irans ability to reach out and touch someone. Those ranges are ICBM length, 3 or 4 thousand miles is hard to reach with out the best of missile technology.
Isreal wouldnt be a hard range to shoot, but the far end of europe?

IRBM [intermediate range ballistic missiles] range.
it's ~2738 miles from london to tehran, btw.
just outside of their range, i'd guess.
i agree that map looks a bit exaggerated
compared to others i've seen.

real ICBMs could hit denver from tehran.
luckily they are still a bit away from that,
i believe their top weapon is still just
a two-stage version of an older missile,
they don't have many, if any, that could hit london
but they have plenty to hit israel.

[OmBudsMan]

I wouldn't underestimate Iran's stupidity at acting out, even if it is just a failed attempt, at 'hurting' the US.

All I would say is if there is as much as a single missile that hits even close to the US, then I do forsee to bombing them back into the stone ages. You simply can't reason with people that have no reason like those who appear to be in power in Iran.

As long as the US doesn't strike first under false assumptions like it did in Iraq(weapons of mass destruction blah blah blah), I wouldn't have an objection.

[Master_Shake]

let me get this str8....

we need next to no info to bomb and invade iraq.
BUT, we need what now thats its iran

iran is no chump like iraq, iran will not just hide in a fukn hole and pretend they are still in charge no way no how.

can we just bomb the whole country down to ground level and worrie about it later? ? ? ?
blah blah blah civilians this civilians that. i coulndnt care less.

its time to brake some eggs over there.
why are we soooo concerned with civilians? they dont care about our civilians.

if it were up to me the bombers would leave in the morning and there would be NO iran. i have NO compasion for those who wish me dead.

for once bush SHOULD start stooping a counrty but no no guess we care what UN says THIS time.

nuke the sob's

[Bromius]

My concern would be Iran smuggling a weapon out and making it look like unaffiliated terrorists did it, or actually giving it to terrorists. Launching a ballistic missile is stupid, because everyone will know where it came from. As said above, Israel would be the only prime target in that range, and they have nukes too. That's suicide bombing on a national level, because you know Israel would turn a nice chunk of Iran into glass if attacked that way. Fundamentalists are crazy without a doubt, but I don't think they're that crazy. Better off going w/ a sneak nuke so that things cool down a little bit just in case they can connect the dots back to Iran. It would be harder to retaliate w/ a nuke after the fact than in the heat of the moment. At that point figure ground invasion gets launched, the regime changes, and voila, another indefinite occupation. Might as well attack now and get it over with. Or we could bury our heads in the sand. All the options suck. Go humanity!

[Mind]

Bromius, you mean as inscopicious as getting a nuke threw one of the four major US ports? I think that might already be in play...

[SharkieJones]

Those Iranians are nuts. Didn't Iran, North Korea, and Syria sign a alliance last year? The Iranian regime is very stupid, and it's too bad that the civilian populace will pay for it.

[pskovinsky]

I vote we send a couple missiles into their reactors, assuming the fallout would head out into the desert.
If it heads right into a city maybe not, radiation poisoning is an ugly way to go, i'd much prefer bombs and such.

But, if they really are after nukes, i'm on the blow them to bits side of things.
The terrorists and the countries behind them have finally done what they've been trying to do, change my mind.
I don't think they intended to change it from "live and let live" to "level 'em", but so it goes.

If they want nukes that bad, we can give 'em nukes, gently used nukes :P

[Hippie3]

i do not think any rational person
relishes the thought of war with iran,
because it will turn into a full-blown
war of civilizations, society, religion and race.
such are always the nastiest of wars.
if we nuke iran
your grandchildren will
still be paying the price
when they are old.

I read that Israel said they would defend them selves with
or without our help if Iran started theyre Nuclear weapons
programs..
Israel has one bad ass fuckin army.

[Hippie3]

it's widely thought that bush,
if he knew the israelis were about to strike,
would order the usa's forces to strike first
in hope of shielding israel from the
political backlash sure to follow.

i doubt the wisdom of that strategy however,
seems more advantageous to let israel
do the dirty deed
and reap the consequences as well as any benefits.

i have a very sore spot for israel..
as they are sort of my people..
my grandfather, after surviving the holocaust came to the US,
instead of being a zionist and heading to Israel.
but they are still people of my heritage..

[SharkieJones]

I worry about my relatives who live in Israel. Things are very scary over there these days.

[Hippie3]

i confess a fondness for the jewish people
but i make a distinction between them
and the secular zionist state of israel.
i feel that while we can guaranty the jews
the right to live in peace among us
it's still a matter of some doubt
that the nation-state of israel can survive
long term given its' situation.
even if the arabs make peace
the demographics are decidedly against the jews.
they will inevitably become a minority within their own borders
and so will be forced to become increasing racist
to preserve the jewish monopoly on political power.
a state built on racism is fundamentally and fatally flawed,
as rhodesia and south africa showed us a couple decades ago.
all in all
it's an ugly mess there
and there are no good solutions.

[SharkieJones]

That's true as the arabs live to get married and repropduce. Of course a nuclear war over there would probably lessen populations. My Palestinian relatives live in the Israeli part of Israel as regular Israeli citizens. They are non-muslims and I worry about their well being.

[Invader Zim]

dunno if anyone else paid any attention to this but

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...ness-headlines

the UAE (aka the saudi's) own and manage a large portion of our ports in our country now....im still confused on how the general public allowed this to happen but if you were curious how iran might get a device into our country....well there ya go

[I_am_me]

Originally Posted by Invader Zim

dunno if anyone else paid any attention to this but

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business...ness-headlines

the UAE (aka the saudi's) own and manage a large portion of our ports in our country now....im still confused on how the general public allowed this to happen but if you were curious how iran might get a device into our country....well there ya go

While the do a poor job, the US will still be handling the security at those ports.

[Invader Zim]

i thought they were privatising the security?

[Jacsprat]

As I recall, it was dic chenney who made the first threat to Iran. "harm an pain"

I'm sure their blogs (iran) are stating the same
about the U.S.

When Iran said the holocost was just a myth, The U.S. ,Israel, lashed back

"thats a horrible thang to say"

But when a cartoon is released bashing "mohamed"

most of U.S. said "it's just a cartoon"

Go figure?

Btw.

North Korea has an estimated four bombs, Why isn't
chenney threating "Harm an pain " to them every
week?

[microscopyuseonly]

Three words...... Sheet Of Glass!!!!!!! No need for even one boot to touch the ground except for to rebuild and repopulate. Heartless? Maybe. But it's kill or be killed. Trust me, they have no problem killing you and everyone you hold dear just for existing. Metallica said it best, "Fight Fire with Fire!!!"

Originally Posted by Jacsprat

Btw.
North Korea has an estimated four bombs, Why isn't
chenney threating "Harm an pain " to them every
week?

Same reason we invaded Iraq, for Saddams WMD's oh wait...
he must have stuck them in his ass to hide them..
cuz we sure as shit didn't find any.

largely political.

oh and who beleives or President when he swears there won't
be a civil war in Iraq..?