Drug Testing, A Violation of Personal Rights?

04-10-06, 16:32

When I posted about anti-drug proaganda, it got me thinking about drug testing. I work for a company who drug tests intialy and then randomly after that. Ive succsessfuly worked there for many months now. Now to my point. Drug testing I feel is an invasion of personal rights. This is beacuse drug testing is based solely of invading privacy precieving that your guilty intill proven innocent. we all know the bill of rights states that we are "Innocent intill proven guilty". Its unconstitutional and I would like to hear your views on this subject. I wonder how we would ever oppose this besides refusing the test and getting fired, or faking the test and living with it.

dead_diver · 04-10-06, 16:46

The private employment sector can do just about anything they want. Many companies won't hire people that have long hair and will make you cut it if you want a job. If they can get people to cut their hair then pissing in a bottle isn't any more difficult for them to get you to do. There is also that contract thingy you sign that eliminates many of your rights in the work place. And if you think that's bad, try joining the military where you have no, as in zero, rights and are a piece of gov property...and you still have to pay income tax!

viraljimmy · 04-10-06, 16:46

They do it for insurance reasons, I believe.
They mostly could care less if you get high-
they only really care about the money.
That's why they pay you to go to work anyhow.

04-10-06, 16:48

The only piss test you'll get from me is a taste test!!!!

04-10-06, 17:05

lol, Pissybee!

WeedyResin · 04-10-06, 17:18

Word Pissy!

Of course I feel that testing is a violation of rights... I smoke herbs. Getting people who don't use drugs to feel like it's a violation of everyone's rights is the only solution I see as an alternative to you before mentioned stand against drug testing. I feel it's not what you do, but how you perform a job that dictates an employee's worth. I get high on the way to, while at, & right after a job... plus, I did it twice as fast & I did it with better quality. Do you feel that Joe Schmoe with 10 years less experience than me is more worthy of the job than I? Of course it's about money, but it's more than just insurance. Companies with services that go into people's homes use drug testing as a selling point to make customers feel safer. Apparently, people feel that drug users are more inclined to steal than others. There's no sense in any of it. Work referral should be about cost, quality, & time efficiency... whether yer high doing it or not! This subject always gets me pissed!

04-10-06, 17:21

The thing is this. If you don't want to take the test you don't have to work for that company. That is the sticker...you have a choice.
In my area they are thinking of randomly testing highschool students. Now the students will have zero choices and this is definitely a violation of rights.

04-10-06, 17:32

Another thing is that I smoke herb too. The thing with weed is that I coulda done it 30-60 days ago and I would still get into trouble. So even if I were to quite right when I got hired, it would take a month for me to be kewl. When cocaine and many other "worse drugs" are out in a day or so. Just crazy!

WeedyResin · 04-10-06, 18:01

Dial... to deny minors an education is so unbelieveably wrong. I can't believe how out of control the govt. is getting. I wonder at what point people will put the govt. in check?
Heath... alot of temp. agencies are using mouth swab tests. These target more closer to test time usage. More of the before mentioned $$$ for the temp agencies.

anticheffy · 04-10-06, 18:05

I got hired a couple of months ago by a very large company and because it was the only game in town doing what I am trained to do I had to pass their pissy test or get a low paying job.

I stalled and stalled to put off the test because I knew I was dirty, I even bought a couple of those off the shelf tests to test myself and as much as 6 weeks without smoking I was still testing positive by these tests.

I finaly went and got a bottle of fake PP and a warmer, (it was a kit).
I thought that there was no way medical science couldnt tell if it was fake or not.

I used it and passed the test and got the job, I still cant believe it.

but for the $ per hour they pay I couldnt pass up the job, but I SHOWED THEM !!!!

un constitutional as hell, but they can be beat, IN YOUR FACE CORP AMERICA!!!

Bromius · 04-10-06, 18:20

I agree that your employment should be based on your performance only. Heh, I'm actually surprised companies don't push drugs. Feeling unmotivated? here take some of this amphetamine! You could make a lot of money running a brewery if you hired alcoholics and paid them in beer. All immorality of that last statement aside, drug testing is not cool.

I plan to start a business once I graduate, so nobody can tell me how to do anything (aside from the gov't of course... oh... and the consumers...). Heh, maybe I'll have a manditory drug test and refuse to hire anybody that doesn't smoke. I'd love to see that wind up in a newspaper or go to court.

04-11-06, 08:52

Antic, A funny story about passing drug tests. I was on probation for 12 months. Everymonth they'd pop a urine test on me. The first one, I ran and drank water, only to partially dilude the specimin. I tested for some THC. Of course they were pissed. So after that, the next 11 months I took in my buddy's piss who was clean (hell of a friend). I did it, I'm glad I used the urine the same day he pissed, as now I find out the creatine and nutrients in urine breaks down after as little as 12 hours at body temp. That year sucked. As I mentioned, I was hired by this company, they were randomly testing me within the first month of hire. Well it took 2 months lol. Relizing that I couldnt keep real piss this long, I too like antic got a kit "Dr. Greens Agent X" from my local head shop. it only came with one warmer, luckily it was the right time of year, i went to my local mart, the clearence isle, all kinds of hot hands 10 for a $1! Man I stocked up. I still got like 500. Just thought I share that....

motograter · 04-11-06, 10:42

There are alot of jobs that shouldn't test, but I know of quite a few that I am glad test there employees. I know I don't want my son or daughter going in for a major surgery and having the doctor shooting some H a few hours before.... But I see no reason that a computer tech. shouldn't be able to smoke weed, thats just stupid.

loochypooch · 04-11-06, 11:57

Most computer techs do drugs lol. I think thats why so many computer jobs are outsourced. The employer cannot hire someone who smokes pot so they outsource to a company that does not drug test and voila!

motograter · 04-11-06, 13:51

Thats what I was saying... I have a bunch of friends that are programers, "Geek Squad" type, web design.. Every one of them smokes and does other drugs, they are the ones I go to for any problem with my computer. But Theres no way Im going to let a pot smoking doctor near one of my kids. It WONT happen...

dead_diver · 04-11-06, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by motograter

Theres no way Im going to let a pot smoking doctor near one of my kids. It WONT happen...

If he smokes on his own time I don't see a problem. I'd rather have a doc that smokes pot than one who is an alcoholic...hungover and amputating the wrong leg or something lol.

hogwild · 04-11-06, 16:04

two words man, synthetic piss. If your ballsy go to your piss test thoroughly stoned

Live your life above the system.

Stenciler · 04-11-06, 20:50

I think it was Rodger who said it a while ago, but the drug test isn't for drugs (in the end). It's for intelligence. If you can't figure out how to fake a drug test, then they'll go find someone who does. In theory that person is more intelligent about their drug use, and they're willing to invest XX dollars in "the whizzinator" to get the job. They've already got you beat on the loyalty angle. That or they're actually clean

.
Either way they can say in a court case, "I had no idea he was on crack that day!"

bugs · 09-02-06, 13:49

Quite a few years ago, the company I was working for started drug testing new applicants. I remember the personnel manager commenting that he couldn't understand why all the best applicants for engineering positions tested positive!

rockawayrooms · 09-02-06, 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugs

Quite a few years ago, the company I was working for started drug testing new applicants. I remember the personnel manager commenting that he couldn't understand why all the best applicants for engineering positions tested positive!

Lefty · 09-03-06, 07:03

I'd take a stoner doc way over one in the midst of a coke binge. Or ether. Fentanyl. Horse. PCP. Methyl alcohol. Trippin' balls. Seconal. Smokin' dog hair. Nine day meth run.
You'd probably never know to begin with, but if some doctor was usually stoned Friday afternoon, I'd rather see him happy than not.

mook · 09-16-06, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by viraljimmy

They do it for insurance reasons, I believe.
They mostly could care less if you get high-
they only really care about the money.
That's why they pay you to go to work anyhow.

the money, that is exactly correct! more for them and less for you

mook · 09-16-06, 21:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by pissybee

The only piss test you'll get from me is a taste test!!!!

LMAO

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04-10-06, 16:32	#1 (permalink)
~SnakeEyes Guest Posts: n/a	Drug Testing, A Violation of Personal Rights? When I posted about anti-drug proaganda, it got me thinking about drug testing. I work for a company who drug tests intialy and then randomly after that. Ive succsessfuly worked there for many months now. Now to my point. Drug testing I feel is an invasion of personal rights. This is beacuse drug testing is based solely of invading privacy precieving that your guilty intill proven innocent. we all know the bill of rights states that we are "Innocent intill proven guilty". Its unconstitutional and I would like to hear your views on this subject. I wonder how we would ever oppose this besides refusing the test and getting fired, or faking the test and living with it.

04-10-06, 16:46	#2 (permalink)
dead_diver Mycotopiate Join Date: Mar 1972 Posts: 771	The private employment sector can do just about anything they want. Many companies won't hire people that have long hair and will make you cut it if you want a job. If they can get people to cut their hair then pissing in a bottle isn't any more difficult for them to get you to do. There is also that contract thingy you sign that eliminates many of your rights in the work place. And if you think that's bad, try joining the military where you have no, as in zero, rights and are a piece of gov property...and you still have to pay income tax! __________________ It would be thought a hard government, that should tax its people one-tenth part of their time, to be employed in its service. - Benjamin Franklin

04-10-06, 16:46	#3 (permalink)
viraljimmy Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 1973 Posts: 454	They do it for insurance reasons, I believe. They mostly could care less if you get high- they only really care about the money. That's why they pay you to go to work anyhow. __________________ "If you never did, you should. These things are fun and fun is good!"

04-10-06, 18:05	#10 (permalink)
anticheffy Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 1,038	I got hired a couple of months ago by a very large company and because it was the only game in town doing what I am trained to do I had to pass their pissy test or get a low paying job. I stalled and stalled to put off the test because I knew I was dirty, I even bought a couple of those off the shelf tests to test myself and as much as 6 weeks without smoking I was still testing positive by these tests. I finaly went and got a bottle of fake PP and a warmer, (it was a kit). I thought that there was no way medical science couldnt tell if it was fake or not. I used it and passed the test and got the job, I still cant believe it. but for the $ per hour they pay I couldnt pass up the job, but I SHOWED THEM !!!! un constitutional as hell, but they can be beat, IN YOUR FACE CORP AMERICA!!! __________________ travel is fatal to predjudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness mark twain

04-10-06, 16:48	#4 (permalink)
~pissybee Guest Posts: n/a	The only piss test you'll get from me is a taste test!!!!

04-10-06, 17:05	#5 (permalink)
~SnakeEyes Guest Posts: n/a	lol, Pissybee!

04-10-06, 17:18	#6 (permalink)
WeedyResin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 326	Word Pissy! Of course I feel that testing is a violation of rights... I smoke herbs. Getting people who don't use drugs to feel like it's a violation of everyone's rights is the only solution I see as an alternative to you before mentioned stand against drug testing. I feel it's not what you do, but how you perform a job that dictates an employee's worth. I get high on the way to, while at, & right after a job... plus, I did it twice as fast & I did it with better quality. Do you feel that Joe Schmoe with 10 years less experience than me is more worthy of the job than I? Of course it's about money, but it's more than just insurance. Companies with services that go into people's homes use drug testing as a selling point to make customers feel safer. Apparently, people feel that drug users are more inclined to steal than others. There's no sense in any of it. Work referral should be about cost, quality, & time efficiency... whether yer high doing it or not! This subject always gets me pissed!

04-10-06, 17:21	#7 (permalink)
~dial8 Guest Posts: n/a	The thing is this. If you don't want to take the test you don't have to work for that company. That is the sticker...you have a choice. In my area they are thinking of randomly testing highschool students. Now the students will have zero choices and this is definitely a violation of rights.

04-10-06, 17:32	#8 (permalink)
~SnakeEyes Guest Posts: n/a	Another thing is that I smoke herb too. The thing with weed is that I coulda done it 30-60 days ago and I would still get into trouble. So even if I were to quite right when I got hired, it would take a month for me to be kewl. When cocaine and many other "worse drugs" are out in a day or so. Just crazy!

04-10-06, 18:01	#9 (permalink)
WeedyResin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 326	Dial... to deny minors an education is so unbelieveably wrong. I can't believe how out of control the govt. is getting. I wonder at what point people will put the govt. in check? Heath... alot of temp. agencies are using mouth swab tests. These target more closer to test time usage. More of the before mentioned $$$ for the temp agencies.

04-10-06, 18:20	#11 (permalink)
Bromius Mycotopiate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 244	I agree that your employment should be based on your performance only. Heh, I'm actually surprised companies don't push drugs. Feeling unmotivated? here take some of this amphetamine! You could make a lot of money running a brewery if you hired alcoholics and paid them in beer. All immorality of that last statement aside, drug testing is not cool. I plan to start a business once I graduate, so nobody can tell me how to do anything (aside from the gov't of course... oh... and the consumers...). Heh, maybe I'll have a manditory drug test and refuse to hire anybody that doesn't smoke. I'd love to see that wind up in a newspaper or go to court. __________________ "That which does not kill us makes us stranger"

04-11-06, 08:52	#12 (permalink)
~SnakeEyes Guest Posts: n/a	Antic, A funny story about passing drug tests. I was on probation for 12 months. Everymonth they'd pop a urine test on me. The first one, I ran and drank water, only to partially dilude the specimin. I tested for some THC. Of course they were pissed. So after that, the next 11 months I took in my buddy's piss who was clean (hell of a friend). I did it, I'm glad I used the urine the same day he pissed, as now I find out the creatine and nutrients in urine breaks down after as little as 12 hours at body temp. That year sucked. As I mentioned, I was hired by this company, they were randomly testing me within the first month of hire. Well it took 2 months lol. Relizing that I couldnt keep real piss this long, I too like antic got a kit "Dr. Greens Agent X" from my local head shop. it only came with one warmer, luckily it was the right time of year, i went to my local mart, the clearence isle, all kinds of hot hands 10 for a $1! Man I stocked up. I still got like 500. Just thought I share that....

04-11-06, 10:42	#13 (permalink)
motograter Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 626	There are alot of jobs that shouldn't test, but I know of quite a few that I am glad test there employees. I know I don't want my son or daughter going in for a major surgery and having the doctor shooting some H a few hours before.... But I see no reason that a computer tech. shouldn't be able to smoke weed, thats just stupid.

04-11-06, 11:57	#14 (permalink)
loochypooch Heavy Metal Drummer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 717	Most computer techs do drugs lol. I think thats why so many computer jobs are outsourced. The employer cannot hire someone who smokes pot so they outsource to a company that does not drug test and voila!

04-11-06, 13:51	#15 (permalink)
motograter Mycotopiate Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 626	Thats what I was saying... I have a bunch of friends that are programers, "Geek Squad" type, web design.. Every one of them smokes and does other drugs, they are the ones I go to for any problem with my computer. But Theres no way Im going to let a pot smoking doctor near one of my kids. It WONT happen...

04-11-06, 16:04	#17 (permalink)
hogwild Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,087	two words man, synthetic piss. If your ballsy go to your piss test thoroughly stoned Live your life above the system. __________________ Trouble ahead, trouble behind, And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

04-11-06, 20:50	#18 (permalink)
Stenciler Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 462	I think it was Rodger who said it a while ago, but the drug test isn't for drugs (in the end). It's for intelligence. If you can't figure out how to fake a drug test, then they'll go find someone who does. In theory that person is more intelligent about their drug use, and they're willing to invest XX dollars in "the whizzinator" to get the job. They've already got you beat on the loyalty angle. That or they're actually clean. Either way they can say in a court case, "I had no idea he was on crack that day!" __________________ when pigs fly? it's closer than you may think...

09-02-06, 13:49	#19 (permalink)
bugs Hanging Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,050	Quite a few years ago, the company I was working for started drug testing new applicants. I remember the personnel manager commenting that he couldn't understand why all the best applicants for engineering positions tested positive! __________________ Not all who wander are lost.

09-03-06, 07:03	#21 (permalink)
Lefty Resident Evil Join Date: Jan 1970 Posts: 2,012	I'd take a stoner doc way over one in the midst of a coke binge. Or ether. Fentanyl. Horse. PCP. Methyl alcohol. Trippin' balls. Seconal. Smokin' dog hair. Nine day meth run. You'd probably never know to begin with, but if some doctor was usually stoned Friday afternoon, I'd rather see him happy than not. __________________ Blood crystalized to sand And now I hope you'll understand

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