Salvia is just WEIRD, and sorta unpleasant

[entheogen23]

Just got 1gm of 10x salvia from my vendor of choice (PM me if interested), and sat down to test it. I am not 100% sure why I ordered it, as I already had some 10X left over from another order over a year ago. Part of me worried it would be banned so I should stock up I guess.

It has been 5-6 months since I smoked salvia last and I had forgotten a lot of what the experience is like. I know it was something that I never thought was pleasant, but was instead very bizzare and interesting. As soon as I loaded a bowl up and smoked it all, the salvia rush hit me again, and a very familar feeling crept over me once again. The feeling that my consciousness was "flattening out", being sucked from my mouth being oddly morphed into another substance. This time asphalt.

My consciousness was being sucked out my mouth and turned into a psychic asphalt-land, with repeating dancing creatures of some sort on the horizon, somewhat puppetlike and never clear in my vision, just like they are in the very periphery and multiplying infinitely. In the past these creatures have centered around Seasame Street-like characters or muppets. 4-5 past salvia trips have been heavily laden with images from childhood: plastic toys, dolls, playgrounds, etc. Aways with the very odd feeling of my mouth being the center of some sort of generation device for the surrounding material. And the somewhat metallic/odd taste of salvia always leaves me tripping on the taste of old shoe leather, or metal pipes, or asphalt tar this time.

Every time I have this odd feeling of "I totally know what this is, and I have experience this many many times" but I never know from where (other than the 6-8 other salvia trips I have taken in the past, but this deja-vu feeling seems to go back to childhood, perhaps when I was sick or something with a high fever, where I often had strong visions and hallucinations)

Then I become somewhat paranoid (maybe 5 mins in), thinking the neighbors were watching me through the curtained windows. So I get up, still dizzy and somewhat dazed and go outside to see if I can see through the windows. I can't. So I come back in and drink a big glass of water. Getting a dull headache. Ugh, why did I think this was worth pursuing again? I guess I seek the amazing trip journeys of others w/ Salvia, flying though mysical realms, etc. I always seem to be centered in some bizzare and somwhat disturbing universe where my consciousness is somehow sucked from me via my mouth. I suppose I could smoke more, or try 20X or something, but it seems like the effects of larger doses in the past has just been to go deeper into these same bizzare and somewhat unpleasant realms. It is never scary, just odd and I have the feeling of "I wish this would stop or take me somewhere else". It often feels very artificial, "plastic", or mechanical. Never like the "earth salvia goddess" some describe.

Anyone else had similar experiences with smoked salvia extracts?

My best salvia experiment was with a quid of dried, fermented leaves, chewed on the beach by myself at 2am with a clear sky and full moon. I smoked some weed as well, and had a very subtle yet powerful communion with some sort of sea creature conscoiusness. Somewhat like hundreds of ghosts, floating out around the ocean, and watching me in a peaceful and calm way.

I have wanted to try concentrated salvia orally, maybe some of this 10X held like under the tounge for 20-30 mins. Anyone try this before? Can't find much info on this method (instead most just using plain leaves, dried or fresh)

I am really considering never bothering smoking salvia again, since I feel rather sick and crappy after this last experience.

Oh well, live and learn.

-e23

Update: After I wrote that trip report, I started feeling really woozy and nauseous, and took a shower and went to bed, but had a hard time falling asleep since I felt so crappy. Don't know if it was the fact I got up 5-6 mins into the experience, or if this was somehow a "bad" batch of salvia. I know I would prefer not to feel like that again.

Salvia doesn't seem like nearly as useful a substance to me as DMT, but I'd recommend anyone interested in psychedelics to try it at least once or twice just to see what it is like. It is so short acting normally, the risks of problems are low as long as you are in a safe place. A sitter is recommended for neophytes.

[rocketman]

I get the deja vu too. It is strange that it doesnt seem to come from this world though. Maybe while we are in the womb? Maybe another life?

[entheogen23]

Originally Posted by rocketman

I get the deja vu too. It is strange that it doesnt seem to come from this world though. Maybe while we are in the womb? Maybe another life?

yeah, who knows. to some extent it seems similar to high-fever hallucinations (103F+). I know I have been there before. But I also have had this on DMT, but the DMT experience is much less jarring and rough.

[Hippie3]

i too recognized salvia land instantly, knew i had been there before.

[cap]

i still havent been able to get off on sally

[entheogen23]

Originally Posted by Cap

i still havent been able to get off on sally

Assume you have tried 10X or 20X or higher? Some people are "salvia hardheads" it seems and get no effects at all.

[gema]

If you want to breakthrough, it helps to take bong hits where you hold the hit for 30 seconds.

[RalphBlue&Purple06]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

i too recognized salvia land instantly, knew i had been there before.

I know what you mean, deja vu indeed. Ive even "felt" like ive experienced salvia "land" and even shrooms when i was just a child and ive always known it to be there, invisible but present all my life till now. It is definetly weird and bizzare but very interesting like mentioned above.

[mredude]

Extremely bizarre drug. With lower doses of 10x kind of a post psychedelic glow feelling, but with high doses...

how interesting that you mention childhood play stuff- my first experience involved what I realized were Tinker Toys, from my own childhood, come to life.

The physical affects were huge, my body felt like it was being squashed from above, and pulled apart. I was paralyzed in mid step. The very fabric of reality was being turned inside out by these giant Tinker Toy arms that seemed to have originally sprouted from my head. The television was in fact reporting how the universe was being turned inside out (aural hallucination)

and then WHAM, back to reality with a "wOw".

Never took as much as I did that very first time because while it was interesting, it was not a particularly pleasant experience. A little creepy and a little scary.

[Mycorama]

does anyone get the pulling sensation to their left?
when i smoke salvia, after i take the hit i can sort of feel something going through my body, kinda like as if it were in my blood.
then once it gets to my head i can feel it go into the right side and out the left which gives me a pulling sensation to my left, makes me feel like i want to get up and walk in circles.

salvia is REALLY weird. its hard to discribe because its so strange.
i want to try it again now though...

[Sky Rayven]

Trying to take concentrated Sally orally would just be a mess IMHO because you really can't make a quid with it......

BRAIN FART: Hmmm you might be able to wrap it in a paper towel or cheeze cloth and go that way!

Anyhow I have tried the quid method with no real big results, so I just smoke it now.

I don't really know what made you feel sickly after your last trip. It isn't something that sally does that I know of. It is possible that extraction method of your supplier is leaving something behind that shouldn't be there, or that some type of pesticide was used on the plants. Maybe it was some kind of spiritual sickness? (that usually happens during a trip tho)

I do my own extractions with acetone makeing damn sure that the stuff has completely evaporated b4 consuming. Some use Alcohal I never have.

When I smoke it I always...

1 Have really nice calm trance playing (no lyrics or voices) kind of like a meditation type music.

2 Lay down and be comfortable.

3 Meditate before hand (loose troubles or stress or fears) leave that shit outside! You can go back and worry about it later, it will still be there for you.

4 Make sure no body is around (I don't really need a sitter unless I am going to try to break through to a much higher level and then maybe I will have a sitter)

5 Pray to the goddess (pray to the sally goddess) or what ever diety or gods you believe in. Ask for a pleasant meaningful experience. Pray to spirit guids to assist me in the journey.

Ebadebade abade thatz all folks

Don't give up on sally entheogen23 she has sooo much to offer!

[cap]

lol..






heya e23
yes, i have tried 20x with no effects, smoked it a number of ways, no dice :/
i will make my own one day and get effects, i hope...

the % is something like 2% ( i think its even less) of the total population
that is 'immune' to the effects of S. divinorum--
what's weird is, im extremely sensitive to every drug i have ever tried
EXCEPT Sally d..

i can not waste any more money buying commercial extract that is doing nothing..
i need cuts when spring comes, then im on my merry way (too cold to ship now) heh

nice reporting '23 take care

[strangegem23]

Interesting mindfuck, but it makes my body feel too strange. I often feel like I'm being turned inside out (or like something is trying to pull the right side of my brain out of my left ear!). The last time I smoked it, I perceived the "inner scalloped edge structure of the universe". Weird! Won't do it again.

[BCubensis]

The pulling effect is always there for me and the same goes for alot my my friends. I love the salvia experience and seem to bring back alot more from it than i do with DMT( i tend to forget nearly everything that happened after an hour or so ).

The merging with objects is a very very bizzare experience to have. The second time i ever did 20x i was at a friends and i merged with his wall. During this i started trying to pull myself up to look over the wall into the room i was physically in at the time.

I came outta the trip and sat up to find a coat hanger in my hand, which my FRIENDS* had handed me when i was tripping. Which was very amazing as that was my wall i was peering over!

All in the all, salvia is the weirdest and strongest substance i've come across. It does have same very negative physical effects on me; including the most horrendous full body sweat(DRENCHED).


* Proper friends do not hand coat hangers to people while under the influence of salvia. I had one friend who had a very scary experience - which resulted in him throwing himself against walls in quite a small room and cutting his body in several places.

[shroom_seeker]

I also experience the pulling effect of salvia, like my spirit is being pulled up through the top of my head; a very strange sensation. A couple large bong hits inhaled deep and long will generally skip me right past that sensation and put me into more of a trance. This is where the heavy effects set in, and I often get the deja vu feelings as well.
Salvia is a very powerful substance. For anyone looking for a breakthrough experience I highly reccomend a small water pipe.

[eternalfrost]

"but this deja-vu feeling seems to go back to childhood, perhaps when I was sick or something with a high fever, where I often had strong visions and hallucinations)"

i also get thins very intensly with almost every intoxicant besides alcohol. the feeling that time is somehow 'backwards' thats not the proper word for it but just the feeling that its deffinatly not consecutivly linear. and the 'child hood fever' connection is huge for me too. strange.

i think smoking is just not the proper way to meet Sally. it is reall a Western bastardization of an ethenogen that has been used and respected for ages with oral-only use.

i find plain leaf quids quite unplesant tasting, so much so that it detracts from the experience as im concentrating on not vomiting. it is also quite a low level experience, perfect for meditation but not exactly mind blowing.

to overcome both these, i prefer an oral extraction. the same teks are used but the mix is disolved into everclear or other high proof alcohol. this is then held in the mouth like a quid. diluting with honey or water if it burns. hold it in the back of your throat for best effects. gargling it will put it in the perfect position. very quick onset, but not nearly the kick in the ass of takiing bong rips of it. best of both worlds IMO, tame enough to actualy get something from the experience but deep enough to be able to 'breakthrough'. just spit out or swollow when youve had enough, much less risk of 'overdose' this way too.

[Soliver1]

Yeah, I got the wicked super-gravity going on, like I was being pulled to the floor, as well as the prickly sweats... this from standard sally, no extracts... seems I'm the opposite of Cap. It doesn't take but 2-3 BH's of standard to set me off. I didn't enjoy the sensation too much, but did enjoy the after-effects quite a bit, like chilling on wine and valium without the pharmahead effects.

But that was some years ago... don't think I'd ever do it again, just too weird with the gravity and sweats. Used to put a huge box fan on the floor, pointing right at me - that would alleviate some of the sweatiness, but not enough for me.



soliver

[entheogen23]

Originally Posted by Sky Rayven

Trying to take concentrated Sally orally would just be a mess IMHO because you really can't make a quid with it......

BRAIN FART: Hmmm you might be able to wrap it in a paper towel or cheeze cloth and go that way!

I was thinking inside a tea bag, sorta like those chewing tobacco packets. Cheese cloth may work as well. I'll try it sometime and report back!

Originally Posted by Sky Rayven

I don't really know what made you feel sickly after your last trip. It isn't something that sally does that I know of. It is possible that extraction method of your supplier is leaving something behind that shouldn't be there, or that some type of pesticide was used on the plants. Maybe it was some kind of spiritual sickness? (that usually happens during a trip tho)

Always had good results from this vendor before, but wondered about some sort of residues. Never been sick like that before. This is what the vendor says about the extract:

We infuse pure salvinorin extracted and washed with pure grain alcohol onto carefully crushed organic, pesticide free Hawaiian leaves, providing a consistent quantity of exactly 35mg of salvinorin per gram for 10 times strength. No harmful chemicals are used anywhere in the process.

So maybe it was just the psychic/spiritual sickness. Or maybe low-level physical sickness, I did have a cold last week. I was relaxed, ina good mood overall, and sitting confortably on a bed in my basement. Usual place where I blast off. I may try music next time (yes, I am already going back on my word to never try it again). I still even feel a bit weird today, dizzy. I may write the vendor to make sure they haven't had other reports of this.

Originally Posted by Sky Rayven

Don't give up on sally entheogen23 she has sooo much to offer!

Thanks Raven, I actually want to try it again when I am ready. It seems like I always have the same weird/disturbing trips on it, but also that it has more to offer that I am not seeing yet. I'll let you all know when/if I do!

-e23

[Sky Rayven]

Gluck with that! Look forward to future reports from ya

Hope you are feeling better soon too.

[Cheebabear]

Originally Posted by BCubensis

It does have same very negative physical effects on me; including the most horrendous full body sweat(DRENCHED).

Salvia makes me sweat like crazy too. I could be in a cool environment, but after smoking Salvia I find myself pulling my shirt off and sweating.
I sweat a little sometimes on high doses of mushrooms as well.

I've tried Salvia normal dried leaf many times. There's always a sense of my consciousness splitting into multiple entities (not in a schizophrenic kind of way). Every thought that enters my mind seems to come from a different place. Once I had the intention of smoking a bowl of Salvia in total darkness in a closet in hopes of having a vision, and once I reached that level I couldn't remember what it was I had intended to do.

I think the highest extract I've smoked was 10x, but I'm not sure. I have had some LSD like visuals on Salvia, but not as intense. Everytime I smoke Salvia I get a wave feeling throughout my body. I was watching a movie at the time and I could see the tv fine, but everything around that focus point was swirling, like I was on one side of the tunnel and the tv was on the other. I could focus on the tunnel and as the part I was focusing on reached me I could feel it pass through me and my body swirled with it. That was the most intense Salvia experience I've had. I've never completely lost reality or ended up in other "place". I'm still hoping for that one day.

[SharkieJones]

Sounds like salvia is a scary experience...I'm intrigued as well as apprehensive of trying it.

[eternalfrost]

Originally Posted by SharkieJones

Sounds like salvia is a scary experience...I'm intrigued as well as apprehensive of trying it.

its deffinatly out of this world but i wouldnt classify it at all as 'scary' sharkie. if done properly to 'breakthrough' its akin to an instant level-5 mushroom trip compressed down into a 5 min timeframe. thats not to say the same ammount of info, but the intensity v. time graph would be similar haha.

if you truly breakthrough (theres deffinatly 2 distincytlevels) you dont have time to get scared. hell, you dont even know you took a drug, the current reality IS reality, why would you be scared of your own reality heh. and in any case its back to flat line in under 10 min so no worries.

IME 'set and setting' are not nearly as influental as with say shrooms. obviously you still want to take them into consideration and not try it at a bus stop or something but i think having a good or bad day has much less effect then wold have on mushrooms. the trip is much more out of your hands, deffinatly has a strong entity of its own.

[bugs]

I think eternalfrost has it about right. It can seem like a pretty long 'short time', and it's one hell of a spectacular ride, but all of a sudden it's over. I don't think there's anything else like it. Check out the Erowid vaults for lots of trip reports.

I haven't visited Aunt Sally for a year or two, but definitely will again. I'm tempted to try it while shroomin' but don't know if I dare.

Also, I've had a physically bad experience with extract, too. I think it's the extraction, because I went back to my old brand and it was fine.

the first time i tried salvia was probably the best. i had only read that your supposed to take big hits and hold it, so i said fuck it an dused to 2 foot bong. i chalked the bong with salvia smoke, then hit it up.. my friend grabbed the bong right before i was launched into never never land. it was fucking amazing. it was the most hallucinagetic experience i've ever had, way better than mdma, lsd, etc..etc.. it was fucking crazy, when i came to i had to collect my thoughts, because i was thinking there was no way that shit just happened. but everytime i smoked salvia after that , it was'nt as enlightening. kinda scary sometimes.. anywho, thats just my two cents.

[hydrocodone]

I'm glad to see the experience wrapped up so well by some of your accounts. I've experienced many of those strange sensations like a strong 'pulling to the left'... I consider it to be a weird tension where I tend to find myself actually leaning leftward and twisting my neck to the left as it feels normal; like it completely throws off my center of balance causing me to uncontrollably tilt... it's hard to even describe. The first time I smoked I also thought I had become a painting for a good 5 min, which felt like at least 20+, and I could only speak (and think) in incoherent fragments

I cannot recall what must have been my most intense experience as I had drank a little and taken some xanax prior to the salvia (a ridiculous 20x+ extract some friends and I purchased at a local headshop). I took 1 [maybe 2] inhalation(s) then must have been in an alternate dimension, and my friends claimed that I was laughing hysterically and unable to control myself, drooling heavily on one of their carpets... FWIW I think I wouldn't remember even if I had done nothing else, as I had good recollection of most (if not all) previous events. This was a few years ago...

I have not tried sally in a long time, probably since then, but I do have some 5x extract that I may have to try before too long. The feeling is just so damn confusing, and I'm glad to read others' experiences...

edit: Used a waterpipe each time here too, with butane lighter. Also I have not really noticed increased sweating on salvia, but I sweat a lot on what others would consider a light dose of fungus

[shroom_seeker]

Once while smoking extract my bedroom and being was transformed into one horizontal plane, very bizarre. I only managed to slowly move my head left and right a few times to pan the surrondings before returning to normal.

[sweatloaf13]

Its like looking through an oscillatting and patternizing(?)pane of glass where tiny odd shaped bits and snippetts of random piececs of memories and experiences vibrate in front/all around you that(at least for me)sounds like film flapping on an old projector. As these images come together so does a rather esoteric look-see at the interconnecting undercarrent to the pattern of all randorm things.As the experience winds down,the images and pieces begin fitting together,faster and faster until it is finnally back to a more 'human' reality. That probably doesn't give anyone the vaugest fucking idea of what I'm saying but it's early/late,and thats how it seemed 2hours ago when I smoked a bowl of 10x myself......then there were those pesky "elves"(using the term loosely,of course!)that started to pop up not long after.............

[420bymywatch]

Lots of people smoke it wrong. It needs high heat to release the chemical, so a butane lighter is best. Heat it up real hot and through a water pipe it literally only takes 1 deep hit. I'm using chocolate flavored 17x sold at my local head shop. Pulling sensation, time distortion, mild paranoia. I have the misses grab the pipe so I don't drop it because the onset can make you loose your grip. A second hit isn't usually possible or desirable. It comes on pretty intense. Lasts all of 5 minutes. I smoke no more than 1/5 of a gram, usually less. I've bought 1 gram and I've had about 5 trips and still have almost half of it left.

[sweatloaf13]

Not recreational,by default.......seems like a one-time ride for the average joe who just likes getting high(and I'm not knocking them!)but truly a gift if you can appreciate it.She definitely lets you know when it's 'her time'. Sorta like the Poppy does,except not on a 24/7 mission to drag you in,more a monthly(if that)clarion call.....but very clear and direct when she does,like the poppy. Please do not mistake any other similarities,it's their voices of persistence that resembled one another.THAT'S IT(hopefully thats a duh for all of you anyway,right?)

[Dutchdude]

i recognize a lot of things in this thread but can't really say exactly what. When I read this thread, all the time memories come to mind and I think ah I should mention this and that. Then when I hit the reply button, I find it impossible to translate what I experienced to written language

- Completely submerging experience
- Forget I took anything
- Extreme hallucinations
- Fabric of reality? Wtf is that?
- Strong sense of not being actually here in my body but using my body as a vessel to be here.

Hallucinations:

- When it came on, I closed my eyes (I think), then I feel the chair where I sit on, turn backwarsd. It rotates and rotates. At some point, I notice my field of vision is in some sort of cave where weird, organic creatures are doing something.
- I see my house being tore off the rest of the world.
- The hallway of the house where I live, suddenly grows 200 meter in height. In that hallway, high above, are those same creatures doing their thing.


Weird stuff:

- While sitting on my couch smoking, I fall back (my body cuts through the sofa) and find myself lying on the ground, top of my body in a place from my childhood, very convincing and detailed, the bottom half of my body still in this world.
- Creatures 'rolling'up reality, somehow I know I have been there and will go there. Why I dont know. While rolling up reality (I can find better words for it), they sing this weird, non psychedelic tho very unnerving song. Like a row row row your boat but different. I hear this tune occaionally, even two years after this experience.

I havent had the courage to smoke a big dose again but its definitaly on my list. Why I do not know since I dont experienced any lasting insights like on DMT or shrooms. Still very interesting tho.

[peek-a-boo]

My experiences have pretty much been described in detail by the community here. One interesting thing though, after experimenting with sally and a good batch of lsd and mushrooms...I am left with what most "normal" people call a "hallucination"....that I can now see anytime I wish...I just have to relaxe my eyes.
What I'm seeing is sort of holographic in nature and it covers everything...like little holographic gears all spinning and flowing.
I have begun to beli