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    Old 01-01-04, 14:08   #1 (permalink)
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    resist/rebel Archive through January 18, 2004

    2004 - Year Of The Slave
    What Really Happened.com
    1-1-04


    You are a slave.

    I know that's not what you want to hear as you hoist your New Year's
    champagne, but it is the unpleasant truth that we all face going into 2004.

    Movies and public school like to portray slaves as bound by chains
    and beaten with whips, creating a polarized image of slavery that can be
    pointed to with the comment, "You are not like that, therefore you are not a
    slave." But history shows that slaves have been treated in all manner of
    ways, some more cruel than others, yet even with the most kind treatment, a
    slave remains a slave.

    Setting aside the stereotyped image of a slave as a bleeding
    chain-bound wretch, slaves throughout history are often hard to recognize.
    In some cases, such as the Medieval Serfs, they were held slaves to the
    rulers by religious belief, and did not see themselves as slaves even though
    they were treated as such. The favored slaves of Asian potentates wore
    jewels to make a movie star gasp, yet were still slaves for all their finery
    and comfort.

    So, what is a slave? How do we define a slave? What test do we use
    to tell if someone is a slave. What makes them different from free people?

    Free people can say "no". Free people can refuse demands for their
    money, time, and children. Slaves cannot. There is no freedom without the
    freedom to say "no". If someone demands that you do something and you can
    say "no" and refuse to do it, then you are a free human being. If you can be
    forced to do something or surrender something that you do not wish to, then
    you are a slave. No other test need be applied.

    When you are forced to surrender half your life's work to the
    government in ever-increasing taxes, then you are a slave. Throughout
    history, slaves were expected to perform the work needed for their own
    upkeep, then perform additional work for the rulers. For Roman slaves, the
    ratio of work-for-self versus work-for-rulers was about 50-50. The same
    ratio applied to Medieval Serfs, and even to the slaves of the American
    south. And, when you add up all the overt taxes, covert fees, tariffs,
    excises, plus the increased price you pay for products to pay the taxes of
    the companies that make those products, you will find that Americans are at
    that same "half-for-self" versus "half-for-rulers" ratio! Can you say "no"
    to the confiscation of half of your life? Can you even get the masters to
    maybe reduce the burden by a significant amount? No? Congratulations. You
    are a slave.

    The masters have decided they want wars on anyone living over oil.
    The idea is that it is better for American corporations to steal the oil
    they need than to pay for it. Millions of Americans (and millions more
    around the globe) did not want the war, but the masters started them anyway,
    by lying to the people. Could you refuse the war? Can you refuse being lied
    to? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

    The rulers want your children for their future wars. Legislation for
    a draft is already in Congress. Can you refuse the confiscation of your
    children? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

    The government has been caught lying over and over again to the
    people, from who really did 9-11, to the legality of the tax system, to
    Cheney's Energy Task Force papers, to Saddam's WMDs. Americans are the most
    lied-to people on Earth. Can you refuse to be lied to? Can you punish the
    liars? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

    Vote fraud is rampant in the nation, and the mandated imposition of
    audit-less electronic voting systems means that elections will be decided
    (as Stalin admitted) not by those who vote but by those who count the vote.
    Can you refuse a dishonest voting process? No? Congratulations. You are a
    slave.

    Just because you cannot see the slave-chains doesn't mean they are
    not there. Chains made of steel are obvious, but chains made of beliefs are
    not always recognized for what they are. Hitler enslaved the German people
    to war with a belief that Poland was about to invade. LBJ enslaved the
    American people to war with the belief that Vietnam had attacked the USS
    Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin. Poland wasn't invading. There were no
    torpedoes in the Gulf of Tonkin, but the slaves, held by invisible chains of
    beliefs, went to war. Millions died.

    In 2003, however, the chains started to become visible. The
    Constitutional right to freedom of expression was confined to "free-speech"
    zones. A slave may have an opinion, so long as it is not expressed where it
    might upset the other slaves. The Constitutional right to an armed populace,
    the means by which the men who set up a nation of free citizens hoped to
    keep them free, is under constant attack from those who fear a nation of
    free citizens, and who will not sleep soundly until we are a nation entirely
    of slaves. Armed citizens can, after all, say "no" and make it stick. That
    was why there was a Second Amendment, to allow the people to say "no" to
    those who would return them to the slavery they had so recently escaped
    from. Other Constitutional rights and protections have been set aside. The
    government can now search through your private records without cause and
    without warrant, even break into your home and not have to tell you. Simply
    by declaring a citizen an enemy combatant, the government can now lock up US
    citizens without a charge and without a lawyer. You can be prevented from
    traveling simply for having the wrong name. If you purchase too much gold or
    take home too much cash, or hoard food, the government will take notice.
    Having a Farmer's Almanac is grounds for suspicion. Talking about the
    Constitution is now deemed grounds to suspect a terrorist link. Torture is
    now espoused as "necessary" to "deal with the crisis". Were you able to
    refuse those changes to the Constitution? No? Congratulations. You are a
    slave.

    The government (at all levels) has borrowed trillions of dollars and
    stuck your kids with the payments. Children not even born will be paying off
    the bills. To declare the lives of children not yet born, let alone old
    enough to vote, indentured to the state is slavery most obvious and odious.
    Can you refuse responsibility for payments on debts the government incurred
    without your permission? No? Congratulations. You are a slave.

    The government has borrowed so much money that it has long ago run
    out of gold to pledge as collateral on the debts. Starting in Nixon's
    administration, natural resources were used as collateral for the mounting
    debts. Borrow more money, promise a chunk of public lands as collateral.
    These land pledges were concealed behind "Environmentalism" to disguise the
    real purpose. Numerous names such as "Wilderness Reserve", "Wetland",
    "Heritage River", and so forth were used to conceal the true scale of the
    confiscations. But the end result was the same. Huge tracts of public land
    containing natural resources were walled away from the public that owned
    them, mortgaged to the holders of the US Government debt. We are well on our
    way from being citizens, to being mere tenants. Were you able to refuse
    having your public lands placed at risk by the US Government to cover loans
    you never authorized the government to make? No? Congratulations. You are a
    slave.

    Trust funds under government control are being looted, from the
    Social Security trust fund to Native American trust accounts to Federal
    Retirement Funds. Congress pays lip service to the looting of Social
    Security, but considers only more taxes to cover the looted shortfall.
    Meanwhile, court cases over other looted trust accounts drag on without
    resolution. Are you able to refuse corrupt and dishonest government? No?
    Congratulations. You are a slave.

    You are a slave because the ruling class can do what they want, take
    what they want, and you cannot refuse. You may have freedom to decide what
    TV channel to watch tonight, or just which style car you will drive to your
    work in, but little power over the rest of your life. Even that home you
    have worked to pay for over the last decade can be taken from you at a
    moment's notice via "eminent domain". Can you refuse? No? Congratulations.
    You are a slave.

    In October 2001 I wrote that more damage would be done to our nation
    by those claiming to save us from the terrorists than by any actual
    terrorist act. Even as Bush claimed that the terrorists hated the US because
    of our freedoms, he took what few remaining freedoms we had away until we
    are more watched, more spied on, more limited, more silenced, more taxed,
    and more enslaved that at any other time in our nation's history. Not only
    are we slaves, we are at last starting to see that we have been slaves all
    along. We did not have rights, because a right cannot be taken away. What we
    had were indulgences, granted by the masters to the slaves, to be removed
    when the masters grow fearful of the slaves' resentment and anger.

    I know this is a very depressing article to read on the New Year,
    but I have watched through 2003 as people I care about lost their homes and
    businesses, as the labors of a lifetime evaporated in stock market
    manipulations by corporate crooks. These Americans who had worked hard to
    achieve the American dream lost it all through no fault of their own. Our
    schools are broke, hospitals under-staffed, the roads and bridges and rails
    of the nation are crumbling while billions of dollars are given away to
    foreign nations, favored cronies, and the ravenous war machine. The
    priorities of the government that feeds on taxes seems focused everywhere
    but on those who pay those taxes. And we can't seem to refuse that either.

    I think the state of the nation can be summed up by a simple
    contrast. Tommy Chong is in jail for selling a pipe, while Ken Lay walks
    around a free man with the billions he stole from his employees and
    investors. Any way you slice it, that's a pretty screwed up situation.

    I promised a reader that I would make some predictions for 2004 in
    this article. I wish I hadn't because I am hoping I am wrong on most of
    them.

    1. There will be another fake terror attack. The Neocon war agenda
    cannot move forward without it. Those who hoped Iraq would be the end of the
    wars are in for a rude shock. The hawks want the entire planet, either
    directly ruled by the US, or ruled by obedient puppet regimes. Another
    "attack" is needed.


    2. The US will eventually lose their war of conquest of the world.
    The US does not have enough troops to garrison the planet, and as Hitler
    learned much too late, merely having superior weapons isn't going to win a
    war when you've pissed off absolutely everyone else in the world. On a more
    practical level, sooner or later the US will wind up at war with someone who
    really DOES have nuclear weapons of mass destruction. That this is the
    government plan is witnessed by the numerous underground facilities which
    have been built or upgraded in recent years. You paid for them, but you
    won't be allowed in them. Such an attack on the US is small price to pay for
    those who promote these wars, not for America, but for another nation
    standing by while its victims are tricked into fighting each other.

    3. Minus a war, the US Government will eventually collapse as did
    the Soviet Union, dragged down by debt and corruption. As the final collapse
    looms closer, look for the looting of the nation to become even bolder than
    it is now. The last official act of any government is to loot the nation.

    4. I am opposed to violence. I wish it could be avoided but I do
    believe that this nation is headed towards a collision between the rulers
    and the ruled. The government fears this as well or we wouldn't see so much
    bullet-proof Lexan between us and our "public servants". I think that the
    reason we have not seen it yet is that Americans have been conditioned to
    expect a hero or savior to come and make things right. We know things have
    gone wrong, but we are waiting for someone else to fix it, Superman, the
    cavalry riding to the rescue, Spartacus, the Messiah, Batman, What Really
    Happened, etc. This belief that one should wait quietly for a hero is part
    of the slavery mechanism, to keep you in your place, rendering unto Caesar,
    breeding more slaves, waiting for salvation that never comes. However, as
    history has shown, even the patience of an entire people can run out, and I
    predict that when the final upheaval comes, it will arrive as suddenly as
    that which occurred in Romania. In November 1989, Romania seemed stable
    under the rule of Nicholai Ceausescu. One month later, a sporting event
    erupted into a spontaneous political protest and on December 25th, Nicholai
    Ceausescu was tried and sentenced to death. Ceausescu proved that tyrants
    should not confuse silence with consent. The Romanian people finally
    realized that nobody was coming to save them, and they had the courage to
    save themselves. The collapse of the USSR was equally rapid and almost as
    unexpected. So shall it be in the US.

    Like I said above, I hope I am wrong in my forecasts. However it is
    clear that the US Government is under the control of individuals intent on
    personal enrichment, or loyalty to a foreign nation above our own, and
    seeing no reason at all not to continue on their present course.
    Confrontation seems inevitable.

    The founding fathers set up a nation in which government was by the
    consent of the people. We The People agreed to certain obligations, and the
    government we allowed to care for our national sovereignty agreed to abide
    by certain limits set forth in the Constitution. The present government has
    broken the agreement, discarding the Constitutional limits on their power
    and authority while at the same time piling more and more obligations onto
    the people. Were you able to refuse them? No? This more than any of the
    other reasons is why you have ceased to be a free human being, and are now a
    slave.

    You are a slave. When you live under a government that takes your
    wealth and your children and lies to you to keep you docile and scares you
    to keep you obedient, how can it be otherwise?

    You are a slave. You can stay that way, or not. It's that simple.
    Nobody is coming to save you. There are no heroes, no cavalry riding to the
    rescue. Whether you and your children will live as slaves or as free human
    beings is entirely up to you.



     
    Old 01-01-04, 14:15   #2 (permalink)
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    I am not a slave.

    The only downside is that I'm homeless.....
     
    Old 01-01-04, 15:13   #3 (permalink)
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    We are all slaves and what they did to Tommy Chong is crazy.
     
    Old 01-01-04, 16:57   #4 (permalink)
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    Old 01-01-04, 18:22   #5 (permalink)
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    <font color="0000ff">I am a slave only as far as I allow my mind to be enslaved.

    We need to help ourselves and we need to help each other. It's a life choice, a mindset and feeling that on the smallest level a riff with someone has it's effect on the greater good. We all have enough problems without people perpetuating hate and I'm afraid of those who do.

    If you feel negative and can't get those wires untangled to get some positive energy flowing smoothly, then feel free to just find quiet and ride for awhile on those of us who are able. I would much rather carry a friend in need or offer some guidance than have them thwart any intentions of good work.

    Despite the chaos I hope we can each find that thread of inner peace and kindness, and keep nurturing it in collective consciousness. </font>
     
    Old 01-01-04, 18:46   #6 (permalink)
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    Sweetness,


    Its just that the "humanity" you speak of being replaced by a bunch of souless machines. I realy have watched humanity change in the past 10 years. I watched many hippies from the 60's become the yuppies of the 80's and the 90's. I cannot help being negative when the reality is negative.

    I do see something very positive happening. The children of the yuppies can see through the lies much better than their parents, and their souls thirst for spiritual knowlege. I suspect the collective consciousness and DNA, has some kind of built in "self correcting" function that keeps humans from self destructing.

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    Old 01-01-04, 18:49   #7 (permalink)
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    I don't think the article was negative at all. I've been saying we're all slaves for years. Folks need a wake up call. If dubya falls off in the polls, look for the government to 'fake' a terror attack so he can declare marshal law, and suspend elections. President for life. Watch and see. . .
     
    Old 01-01-04, 18:56   #8 (permalink)
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    I know it can all be lost/taken away at any moment, but my thoughts are to stay under the radar.

    In my eyes things are too big, too many, and too lost for one person to make a difference. I know that there is strength in numbers and lots of "one persons" add up and can make a difference I don't see that being done... at least not yet.

    I have worked, not hard, but long, and I have a house, a girl, couple of cats, car, and many other niceities. Starting a business and making it well enough to live more of a "free" life than I live now is all that I'm after. I don't feel that the coruption of the government or local officials will change anytime soon, and I feel that there will come a time when they bring it upon themselves to fail. When they bring themselves down. Either by making the public more aware of their actions or whatever.

    I feel that I want to play no part in it. I know I'm not free. I know I'm a slave to the system. I just want my peace. I want to afford the luxury of time. Have my house in the woods, enjoy nature, and live my days until the end. No politics, no police, no anything.

    Again, under the radar. "Do my thing" as "they" would wish me to do, beat them at their game, and become free enough. True freedom is impossible in today’s times.
     
    Old 01-01-04, 19:11   #9 (permalink)
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    What do you think it will take to make people decide to change the "powers that be"?
     
    Old 01-01-04, 19:46   #10 (permalink)
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    Probably something really big coming to light of the public eye. The problem is that "control" appears to be so tight that even that's controlled. No one is perfect though. Someone will slip and something will come to light. Karma.

    I'm not sure what to expect really, and I dont like politics at all. I think they're all slimy bastards and that the government is all self controlled and corrupt for their own purposes.
     
    Old 01-01-04, 20:10   #11 (permalink)
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    people are indeed 'slaves' in a certain sense.
    but that essay is too limited in its' analysis,
    the enslavement is of all humanity and it took place thousands of years ago and the process is still under way.
    to try to blame the usa or a man like bush is to overlook history, our great-grandparents were just as enslaved as we are today, by society.
    the state, the church, and the businesses form the 3 parts of society as it formally manifests itself in the real world.
    whether the state is the US, the church christian and business capitolism or if it was rome, pagan, imperial it was still the same,
    the rich and powerful lord it over the weak and the poor.
    it's the law of nature in its' simplest form.
    social darwinism.
    society is the real enemy of the individual,
    the control of one by the many.
    read the Mission Statement i wrote quite some time ago.



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    Old 01-01-04, 20:22   #12 (permalink)
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    <font color="0000ff">I know Roo, just trying to point out that it has to start and be a consistant attitude in our everyday lives with the simplest thought. I totally agree with the sheep/slave dilema we've been any part of creating.
    And Sno, I do think the age of enlightenment is upon us. Atleast I have to believe that. I think we have the power right here and through discussion and action we can make changes.
    I suspect the collective consciousness and DNA, has some kind of built in "self correcting" function that keeps humans from self destructing.
    You may have something there...one could only hope.</font>
     
    Old 01-01-04, 20:32   #13 (permalink)
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    This does seem probable Zen..

    I do not like politics either. I want nothing to do with republicrats. I personaly think that the less goverment we have the better. Republicans say they want less goverment and yet they bring us a police state ala the war on drugs. Democrats want to create a society where no one gets left behind, yet there is a certain amount of anti bussiness bias about them. Both have some realy bad tendencies towards thought control. I have looked at the libertarian platform and I like it. But what is the point if they could never get enough support to win a major election.

    People are just so scared anymore, that is what I think the problem is. Things are a mess right now.
    Its everyman for himself and greed is the rule of the day.

    I only hope that this insane world we live in will not touch you personaly. It has me. My father has worked for a company for many years. He wanted to retire a few years ago but he could not, he will work until he dies. They took the medical benefits from the retires and cut their pensions almost $800.00 a month. My mom has many medical problems and she could not live without insurance. The CEOs of the company each took $20 million bonus last year becouse they made a record profit. This is bull, but the courts stood up for the company.

    My girlfriend was diagnosed with cancer 2 years before I met her. She was layed off from her job at the time and went ahead with medical treatment. She owed them hundreds of thousands of dollars when I met her. All our local hospitals are now corperations, so they would not write off anything. They put leins on her checking account etc. She went bankrupt. Its all she could do. She has not been able to get insurence through anyone since then. What happens if the cancer comes back?

    These sorts of things happen over and over again! In the richest country in the world at that. This is shamefull. Communism, democracy, socialism and fascism etc have all failed. We need none of the above. We just need to start over as humans.
     
    Old 01-01-04, 20:47   #14 (permalink)
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    Your mission statement is a good read. Social darwinism is bs in my opinion. The fittest do not survive becouse they are the strongest. They survive becouse they are the most adapted to their enviorment. Current conditions are non local, ie the internet. There has never been a better time to actualy be an individual. Perhaps being an individual is the next step in human evolution. No need for kings or nations.
     
    Old 01-01-04, 22:20   #15 (permalink)
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    strongest
    that's too literal,
    survival of the fittest is not the same
    as survival of the physically strongest.
    brains are more important than brawn.
    and money is power,
    being able to rent brains and brawn.
    They survive becouse they are the most adapted to their enviorment.
    or is it that they change their environment to suit themselves ?
    that's the human way.
    There has never been a better time to actualy be an individual. Perhaps being an individual is the next step in human evolution.
    lol
    you forget, that's how we started out.
    nothing new about individuals,
    it is society that is the 'newcomer'.
    society 'tames' each of us in early childhood.
    btw,
    only a tiny fraction of humanity has access to the internet.


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    Old 01-01-04, 22:22   #16 (permalink)
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    No need for kings or nations.
    again i think you've got the cart in front of the horse, so to speak.
    kings and states [nations] don't arise become people want or need them,
    they are imposed upon people by force from above,
    by people who have the will and the means to dominate and enslave others for their own benefit, much as we yoke a cow or ox to draw a plow.
    states harness the individual to pull the weight it imposes upon them, to benefit the few.

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    Old 01-01-04, 22:35   #17 (permalink)
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    "you forget, that's how we started out.
    nothing new about individuals,
    it is society that is the 'newcomer'."

    Terence McKenna used to say culture rather than society.

    "They survive becouse they are the most adapted to their enviorment.
    or is it that they change their environment to suit themselves ?
    that's the human way."

    I understand what you are saying. Could it not be said that, as far as humans go, it was society that changed the enviorment and not the individual.

    I have heard it said that when complex systems in nature begin to break down, they always return to an earlier simpler form. Perhaps this is what is going on with us "mutant" humans. We are returning to the simpler form before society. Shamanic and with no need for priest or kings.





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    "No need for kings or nations.
    again i think you've got the cart in front of the horse, so to speak.
    kings and states [nations] don't arise become people want or need them,
    they are imposed upon people by force from above."

    That is true to a point in my opinion. But on 09-11-01 I saw alot of people needing their king. There would not be any kings and nations unless people gave them their "power". This is where I disagree if I understand your post correctly.
     
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    This sort thing would be good for the "Resist &amp; Rebel" forum. A good debate and no hostility!
     
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    I hate to say, but, I tried being a leader making a difference. even if it was just in the work place as a union rep with a backbone and no fear of the company. what I ended up facing was extorion, intimidation, financial ruin,possible jail(if I hadnt seen some of the traps they had layed)and just to be rid of the whole mess they offered a pittance with some legal wordage that would have kept me jobless for life if I was as stupid as they always wished I was.
    I realised,no, re-realised when the police couldnt (or wouldnt) make the licenced "thugs" outside my drive way go away, that the fuckheads with the money and no soul truley do whatever the hell they like and as "slaves" even standing up for the few rights we think we have may really fuck you in the end without being one of those "in" the system. thats one of biggest lures to being drawn to the "outlaw" biker societies. the shit that happens inthat part of your life WILL depend on some form of justice and brotherhood.
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    <font color="0000ff"><font face="verdana,arial,helvetica"><font size="+2">Arrested In Atlanta, Never Saw Widespread.</font></font></font>

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    A buddy went to Widespread panic in Atlanta, Dec. 30. He was really psyched. Bought 6 loaves of bread for grilled cheese and had a few glass pieces for sale or trade and a couple of extra tickets.

    Since it was his first time selling grilled cheeses, he wanted to get to the lot extra early. He gave a few away to the bums... He was approached by a balding man that inquired about the glass pieces. The man wanted to know if he "had anything" to go into the pieces. He said, "no".

    5 minutes later, a task force of 4 plain clothes officers (including the guy that inquired about the pipes) began to harass some kids that were suspected of smoking a joint. When my buddy handed one of them a card from "NORML" explaining their rights, the cops turned their attenting toward him.

    He was ARRESTED for "Vending without a permit, and "Operating a business without a liscense." They searched him and found a film canister with .001 grams of marijuana "flake." He and the other two kids were placed into a wagon and awaited more arrivals. 6 Spread Heads were arrested in total. (One for posession of two large bags of dried mushrooms. -- Lets hope they were Shitake...)

    As he was being arrested, the cop told my buddy to have someone "look after" his newly purchased coleman two burner camp stove, igloo cooler, bread, cheese, Coke, etc... He told him he would be out in time to get them back AND see the show. Lies, all Lies. My buddy did not get back in time. The hippy kid that was watching his stuff obviously left after the show, so my buddy didn't see his stuff again. The rat bastard cop obviously didn't want to be bothered turing the stove, cooler, etc into the "personal" belongings department at the jail. (Since my friend hadn't been arrested before, he was lost as to what to do.)

    He started singing "Hare Krishna" and dancing in the parking lot with his handcuffs. The officers DID NOT LIKE THAT. They forced him onto the ground.

    Once at the city jail, they detained my buddy for 14 hours before he was able to post bail. During that time, many brothers and sisters were arrested on charges as ludicrous as his. A young girl was popped for selling t-shirts. Individuals over 21 were arrested for drinking a can of beer in the private parking lots. (In the midst of thousands of people drinking.)

    My buddies bail was set at over $1000. A fellow inmate, a thug from Atlanta that admitted to selling crack, meth, et al., was arrested for having just under an ounce of weed. His bail was set at $500.



    The glass pieces were taken into "evidence" to prove he was selling stuff without a permit, but more than likely, as a way to seize his property -- even though it is not against the law to posess them... (Why weren't the grilled cheeses seized?)

    It is obvious that the Atlanta Cops just wanted to make some money on him and all the other poor folks whose rights were trampled on. People were searched for no reason. A man was searched because he had a "Tigger" costume on. Some of the folks arrested posted bail before they were even booked. Thats how slow they were in the detention center.

    On the 31st, my bud posted bond early in the morning. He went to court where the judge threw out the count of "operating a business."
    He pleaded "no contest" and was let out with "time served." He is never going to Atlanta again!!!

    He remembers.... As he was being taken away in the paddy wagon, the arresting officer yelled at him,
    "SUPPORT BUSH." </font>

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    Old 01-02-04, 10:10   #22 (permalink)
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    today's the day.
    congrats, Sweetness.
     
    Old 01-02-04, 10:43   #23 (permalink)
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    What a freakin turn off!

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    Old 01-02-04, 10:46   #24 (permalink)
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    I think hip eluded to this without actually saying it... others may have as well.

    One word will sum up this whole conversation:

    Money



    Money is the cause of all this. Nations, corporations, people, and society. It's all driven for and by the dollar. The people that can live without money are the truely free ones, and if they exist are few in numbers.

    Every statement made in the original post can be answered with that word. We are enslaved by means of wealth. The only way to escape is to obtain more. To obtain enough to buy your way out of the "rat race." With money comes power, greed, time, and freedom. It's up to the individual which option they choose.

    If you obtain the wealth and your will is strong enough you can simply escape the race and live free till the end of your days, enjoying the life you've made. If your will is not then you will fall into the trap of greed, power, and self destruction. Large corporations, government, CEO mongols, all examples of this. You will have the ability to be free of your bonds but will still be trapped at the same time, unable to escape.

    Hip had another good point. Brains and brawn. If you have the brains enough to not find an exit, but rather make one, then you're free. If you can build your wealth by leasing your brain to others you can become free. If you have brawn and can pair with someone that has brains... then you can work together to become free. I don't know if brawn alone can do it.

    True freedom is the absence of the money, power hungry, greedy enslavers that trap us all. The paradox is that in order to escape it you need it. Coupling this with self control and good will is the only way to truely beat it.

     
    Old 01-02-04, 10:57   #25 (permalink)
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    That's harsh dude
     
    Old 01-02-04, 11:17   #26 (permalink)
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    HOOO RA!
     
    Old 01-02-04, 11:26   #27 (permalink)
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    "Why weren't the grilled cheeses seized?"
    Cause they didn't look or smell like doughnuts
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    Old 01-02-04, 12:03   #28 (permalink)
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    <font color="0000ff">*Blushes* Thanks Hip and you guys for the enthusiasm and well wishes.
    And thank everyone in advance for fostering a caring atmosphere of tolerance, respect, and openness!</font>


     
    Old 01-02-04, 12:35   #29 (permalink)
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    That's fucked up, how does that cop know who he supports for president? I would have shouted Zeig Heil or something and got my ass kicked later. Or maybe not...
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    Old 01-02-04, 12:42   #30 (permalink)
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    I don't think money can do that much. I think a bigger problem is the problem of fear and hate. People are so busy fearing and hating each other that they don't ever find their gifts and talents. They forget we only have one life to live and that we are all living it together, right now. And it is very easy to forget who you are when you have been swept up by fear and hate.
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    Old 01-02-04, 12:44   #31 (permalink)
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    that sucks.

    now I don't want to say I hate cops,but I myself have never needed their assistance.and when I do come across them they are usually trying screw me or find a reason to.but my life would be better if I did'nt see one for the rest of my life.

    in my opinion local cops have a field day at shows,where else can they just walk and pick the people they think have the best drugs at random.I'm sure they found and kept enough shit to keep happy for a couple months.

    damn ,and that bush remark was really uncalled for.
     
    Old 01-02-04, 13:04   #32 (permalink)
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    But why does the fear and hate exist? Poverty, hunger, contempt for another man, jealousy, rage.... It can be all attributed to money... or lack of. Man is run by money. Man needs money. Society has bred you from birth to be materialistic and desire more and more and more. Free men are those of poor families. Brawn. Working their fingers to the bone their entire life. They are free. They don’t have much, but they survive. They provide for their families. You can say the same about the rich who have bought themselves out of the rat race. They have used brains to obtain a steady passive income. They don’t have to work anymore and can live their life as they choose because money comes in rather they physically work for it or not... ergo "passive"

    Either means is fine, but it's all to escape what? Society? The "man"? Government? Fellow men? No. It's to escape the bonds of money. And by escaping those bonds you're released from all the others at the same time.

    The answer to 99 out of 100 questions is money




    Imagine a world without money. The slavery spoken above would dissolve... however other means and reasons to enslave would rise in it's place. Then a new way of escape would need to be discovered.

    Good = Evil -- without one the other could not exist.

    There is always a way around something. Figuring it out is the hard part. Even with the outs that have been provided for the above ideas of slavery, you will never truly be free of it, but you can escape further than the majority as I mentioned above. The majority of the populous must remain to create stability in the system. Without that it will fall and we will be starting again with a new form of slavery... and need a new "out" to escape.
     
    Old 01-02-04, 13:45   #33 (permalink)
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    fucking pigs..

    not all cops are pigs, but these ones most assuredly were bacon material.. Did the cops squeal with delight and snort with joy as they arrested folks?

    Sorry to hear about your friend&#