General WTF? sorta thing

[Freaky]

This is a good thread. I just hope the bullshit is minimal enough

http://forums.mycotopia.net/board-ru...xperience.html (Letter to a brand new grower with zero experience)

[hyphaenation]

Page 2 , a fresh start.

Lets keep making the effort to understand each other.

[eatyualive]

Originally Posted by gravit8

WTF?

I didn't attack anyone.

And theres another couple posts where you all slam me for speaking my opinion that some things could be improved.

Acting like I demanded to be 'spoon fed', when obviously I ALREADY KNEW WTF I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

None of you took the time to do anything but act like I said something so offensive, to even question the way things were. You couldn't even think about what I had to say before getting all prickish. If you even read half of it before going along with what everyone else already posted.

I'm asking myself why I should care, continue to care, about helping other people read about what you've all done.

It's all rather ironic. I sat and read for months and said not a word. Then the first thread I start gets slammed, you people talk shit about me personally without a second thought, and all because I said this website isn't as functional as it could be. Just brilliant.

Great crowd. Wonderful welcome. I'm going to go get my house ready for a fucking hurricane now. I hope you're all satisfied that you 'put me in my place'. Hope it feels better in that apathetic black hole you all live in to take someone down from...nowhere.

until you get some of these things down. talking and insulting won't do much good. you have to try them. listening and learning will. as you said sucking up your pride can sometimes help.

you came here posting a bit prickish. thats what started it. and i read every word of your thread. no one tried to put you in a place. you act like no one here tries to spread good info. insulting everyones hard work in itself is an insult. actually, there are some really good suggestions here in this thread but you seem to reject anything that doesn't fit your flowchart. with that aproach, its difficult to help anyone. some of your opinions are insulting. that warrants the reaction. be a bit less prickish and im sure everyone will try helping you. even though i see many already trying.


in fact, ill still try helping you even if you call me a prick. i don't care. im not here to argue with you. im here to link you to good threads. if you would take the time to learn them and not just read them. then you may succeed. but failing numerous times is a step to succeeding. learning from your mistakes.

start off with pf tek. 400 times.

move to bulk substrates. horse poo/straw or other bulk substrates in the archives.

use wbs spawn or popcorn spawn.

9er tek cloning method

if you can't find straw. get strawnet at summitseed.com. or you can substitute. is there worm castings available near you?:

hell if theres a horse field near you. get dirty and pick some up. its probably free. ask the farmer im sure he will give it to you if you pick it up and haul it yourself.

you could go to petsmart or petco and get a wealth of supplies to substitute for straw. they have coir, wild bird seed. alfalfa hay, hemp bedding, straw bedding. all kinds of things.

you can also mow your yard if its wheat grass and use that. just let it dry out before you spawn it.

there is so much out there, its unreal. you just have to look and try it!

im not trying to be a prick. but the way your words come off it seems like your saying. i don't want to read all the bullshit on your site. please tell me all the good info and leave the rest at the door.

thats alot of work for anyone to do. and everyone here has a life as well. take it into consideration. write a flowchart. sounds like a plan. maybe it will help you with what direction you want to go in. if flowcharts help you learn. so be it. if it helps newbs so be it. but, first of all i think you need to decide a direction before you go trying to teach newbs.

i thought your first goal was to find easy ways to grow. ways that are more efficient, less time consuming. learn first, teach later. set your priority and get it done. any way you look at it, your looking at 40 hours a week on top of your work week. consider that as well.

[hyphaenation]

This is an already long time established community. We have our ways about us but we are open-minded. What we don't like is someone unknown to us demanding changes and a new way of doing things.

What if we waltzed in your long-time classroom , first day and said "no ,no this is all wrong" , "let me show you how this should be done" , you'd be saying "who the heck is this ? " , would'nt you ?

[spacecake]

Originally Posted by gravit8

But the hours spent reading BULLSHIT empty posts just to get a base of useable knowledge are utterly wasted, and I can't afford that.
.

Your still mixing up the difference between the vaults and the normal treads...!

You only have to read the vaults to get the best teks,answers etc.
You can't do everything at ones you know...

I don't see the problem..pf tek,casings,bulk,and experimentations.

If you think a noob will fail because he can't find stuff in the Vaults,..now,then give me an example,and I let you see how easy it is to find it.
And if you have no time for this hobby ,then just stick to the pf tek. and nothing more...

Why do you think ,most of us think Mycotopia is like a familie ?
We don't like people that want to learn everything in two days and run off...,we like you to stay,learn, join the family ,try some things yourself ,experimentate...
I'm sorry I'm not as good as my fellow mycotopians in these kind of reply,s (I'm not English).
But there right,and your not ,you pretend like we are all wrong and your the one that nows how it all must be done.

Why not just stay here for a while,proof yourself,post your experiments ,and you will see ,with a little bit of our help,it's not so difficult at all !

[hyphaenation]

Making helpful threads is great. However what good does it do to post false information ? Seriously flawed info like this gem from your noob thread.

Up until you've produced fruits, your new hobby is legal,

Hey does that mean I can ship some colonized cubensis blocks to my granny across the border ? No wait , every stage beyond spores is illegal in most countries.

That would make the erroneous info you posted dangerous.

[limeade]

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Making helpful threads is great. However what good does it do to post false information ? Seriously flawed info like this gem from your noob thread.



Hey does that mean I can ship some colonized cubensis blocks to my granny across the border ? No wait , every stage beyond spores is illegal in most countries.

That would make the erroneous info you posted dangerous.

well said, when is this thread going to be locked?

[spacecake]

Only if there's a good reason,and there is not so far....

[hyphaenation]

Dialog is always good.

[mydarling]

deleted, because, it's been said enough already.......

[hyphaenation]

None of you took the time to do anything but act like I said something so offensive, to even question the way things were. You couldn't even think about what I had to say before getting all prickish.

Now does that sound like a teacher or what ? We failed the test. Detentions ?

Who's in for skipping this class ?

[joluvs2gro]

I don't know how anybody could fail with the pf tek, I still can't get over that. I am only on my second grow, I did my first from a SPORE PRINT SOMEBODY SENT ME FOR FREE! I even spawned 2 of the half pints to a bread loaf pan and it is almost ready to fruit. I read and read and read some more for a month. I even went to a library and got some books on commercial cultivation and that has helped alot. If anybody has trouble with the pf tek it is because of a mistake that person made, especially with a syringe from TGS ! If there was a problem with the syringe, any one of the sponsors here would gladly fix the problem anyway. One thing I know is that you can not take shortcuts, I don't have a pressure cooker so I boil my jars for 110 minutes, not 90, I also stand there and turn the burner up to get a rolling boil every so often, just to ensure sterility.

[rambi]

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Now does that sound like a teacher or what ? We failed the test. Detentions ?

Who's in for skipping this class ?

i'm in. anyone want to check out that coffee shop the vaults?
hear the peeps there are always dressed in the best threads.
place has tons of interesting history too
which you can read while you're there.

[bear]

I get what your saying here, and your frustration. The "pearls of wisdom" are on public display in the vaults, and the PF tek exists and is recommended over and over because it allows -anyone- success with minimal effort. It's essentially as easy as it gets.

"Anyone can get something, somehow" - invitro fruits from pf jars opened the floodgates and gave fruits to the masses

[Ras Asad]

Originally Posted by hyphaenation

Now does that sound like a teacher or what ? We failed the test. Detentions ?

Who's in for skipping this class ?

yea, im def skippin this lame-o class...

all the teacher does is cuss at us and tell us we're stupid. ef that,

we'll learn more skipping class and going in the woods to teach ourselves.

later Teach!!!

[BuckarooBanzai]

Yeah, this has gone on too long. I've gotta chime in.

Gravit8, you need to up the dosage on your meds.

Your grammar is poor and your attitude is atrocious. You are a petulant child who is annoyed that he can't be spoon fed the Encyclopedia Britanica with a flow chart.

Boo friggin' hoo.

Guess what - there is far too much information here for a single flow chart (or book, for that matter) to contain it. It takes an entire WEB SITE to contain it.

If you want simple instructions, they are EVERYWHERE. There are Teks here that cover every aspect of this hobby. Many of them are quite complete (PF Tek for instance).

Oh, and nothing in your write up is anything I (and others) haven't already documented in significantly more detail (with pictures).

http://forums.mycotopia.net/misc-mag...substrate.html (BB Tek - A complete walk through; spores to LC to jars to bulk substrate)

Apparently you were having trouble finding that?

Check my signature (The Banzai Institute). It is jam packed with full on end to end Teks that will lead you through many aspects of this hobby.

Please also note a few of those pictures are of actual mushrooms that were grown with that method. Some people actually consider shooting for successful results BEFORE writing Teks. I've never before seen someone document how to grow mushrooms in one thread while bitching about wasted time and money on failed grows in another thread.

And seriously - up the dosage. You are carrying around way too much stress. Yer gonna blow a valve, man.

[SantiagoDomingo]

Well shit, lets see here, I am probably as nooby as you can get in a sense. I have yet to even attempt a grow. I had tripped a few times before coming to this site, but shrooms are hard to find in my area, so I decided to research them and landed up here. I started out by finding out where they grow, what they look like, etc . . . over the next month or so my friends and I wandered from cow field to cow field, horse field to sheep field, electric fence to electric fence. We found lots of mushrooms, did spore prints found out we only got a few magic ones. Whatever, we still had weed.

I then continued my research and found out how easy and cheap these things grow. I read the PF Tek first, and then I went on to read about 20 other Teks, I took the information from all of that and figured out which Tek seemed the easiest that I could afford and have been gathering the necessary tools. But like you I found a lot of conflicting information, even on this site. But damn near 100% of the time either Hippie or another mod showed up and shot down the false info. I followed more links and learned more shit. When I had a question I posted it and I got an answer in a reasonable amount of time.

Sure it is easy to get lost in all of the information, that is because so many people have posted all the discoveries they have made. Even the slightest, earliest, probably going to turn into a failure discoveries have been posted on here so that everyone else can be in the know. It is impossible to write a Tek or arrange the information so that every single question is answered. The variables are innumerable, all the way down to geographical location could affect someone's results compared to someone else's. The vaults have all the information broken down even further, rather than growing mushies or weed, it is down to things like . . . agar, casing, grow chambers, etc . . .

EDIT 1: The Banzai Institute is the place to be . . . What's the matter buddy, ain't you heard of my school?

EDIT 2: I wasted my 100th post on this

[joluvs2gro]

That's absolutely right, the variables are innumerable and that's why you have to do the p.f. tek first, it reduces the variables, if you follow it to a "T". There's nothing you can add to it, or any need to really. It sounds like you don't have the patience for this hobby anyway dude. Maybe you should just buy you mushrooms from Kroger or something? Then you wouldn't have to waste your precious time reading. I actually enjoy reading the various teks I find here.

[suckerfree]

Originally Posted by joluvs2gro

and that's why you have to do the p.f. tek first,

I've never done the PF tek, and probably never will.

[floppypeter]

i didnt have luck with PF

WBS turned out to work good for me.

many ways to skin a cat

[Hippie3]

you really should try, SF
it has its' uses, even for pros

[mydarling]

Originally Posted by suckerfree

I've never done the PF tek, and probably never will.

phew, good to know a seasoned pro has had success with mycology even skipping PF tek, cause that's my plan of action too! hehe

[TVCasualty]

To me, the PF Tek is a 3-dimensional petri dish.

It's no trouble at all to cook up a batch of 12 half-pints, inoc with multispore or an isolate, grow them out, and then pick the best looking jars to propagate further, like to WBS. Slower-growing contams are discovered during this time and so those cultures aren't expanded further, saving time and money. Of course, PF-style half-pints are the keystone of my blended Slurry-in-a-Hurry® method that gets me as many colonized quart jars or bags as I want within a few days of selecting the best half-pint, so I'll always use them. They store in the fridge a long time (120 days so far is the longest I've kept them chilled; they worked fine), so whenever I want to grow out some grain I'm never more than 4-5 days away from having a big pile of super-clean spawn.


I guess we ran off Gravit8. Hope he didn't take it all personal.

[livewire420]

maybe he decided to add pictures of his ideas. i for one hated all this reading. dont get me wrong you got to communicate while adding picture i for 1 threw away books with out pictures. i think the best tutorials are the ones with words and pictures. no noob can just read and picture this stuff in their head. so it really doesnt help nobody. maybe it's just me but i like pictures with detail description. even if it isnt detailed i still like pictures.

[BuckarooBanzai]

Originally Posted by TVCasualty

I guess we ran off Gravit8. Hope he didn't take it all personal.

I, on the other hand, hope he did take it personally. His attacks on us and the site were certainly personal enough.

[lionelfire]

I can't believe that a teacher would be so opposed to learning. To even insinuate that time was wasted learning goes against what I believe to be the true definition of education.


Forgive the B.S. post.

[gravit8]

Again, my posts weren't read before the wagon was jumped on, as it were.

Good thing I'm not an English teacher.

Oh, wait. I am. Shucks.

Someone had better contact my district, and tell them I'm posting bad grammar on a site discussing illegal activities.

As for having that info already posted, it's a list of relevant links, sure enough. Except that none of it is really tied together so someone can sit down and see how all these options fit into the overall process. Like I said, over and over, for someone to have an accurate idea of where they should start, it really REALLY helps to have an idea of what their options are. More than one post supported this idea. In the end giving someone an accurate account of what to expect with this hobby would more than likely boost the sales of the pre-made materials many of you offer, because those same people you belittle (looking for quick-and-easy) would skip all the effort and just place an order for pre-mixed substrates and whatnot, rather than mess around with exotic additives and the time spent prepping this stuff.

I mean, you're talking shit about your customer base. It's terribly conflicting to dis on the same people you're hoping to exploit for monetary gain. Do you laugh every time someone orders out of laziness?

Also, if any of you had read (common idea here) you'd note that I've already had success with this hobby before ever looking at this site.

So yeah, I guess I needed the information spoon-fed and condensed into a picture book. Which is very nearly what I was talking about. Except it wasn't, at all. But you'd have to have taken the time to read my posts to know what I was talking about (funny how things turn, people insisting it's important to read through everything to find the right info and then skipping that advice).

"I, on the other hand, hope he did take it personally. His attacks on us and the site were certainly personal enough." - Buckaroo

They weren't at all personal, unless you actually consider criticism to be an attack, which it isn't unless you openly talk about hoping you've hurt someone's feelings or chased someone off, then it's pretty clearly a personal attack.

My attitude was tainted by the garbage you all posted about how I must be spoiled, ignorant, or whatever. I didn't read this thread for a couple days and some of you STILL posted negative shit.

I hope new members read some of this. Maybe they'll have a different opinion of some of you, balanced by what you've said here. This is not at all what I'd hoped for when I posted. Quite the opposite.

As for me, I'm gone. I decided my time is better spent ensuring the children I teach have some manners, and know how to approach a dissenting opinion without resorting to juvenile personal attacks like some of the posts here.

I'm saddened by the way this has turned out. I really didn't expect to be treated like this for trying to jump in. Maybe next time I'll kiss ass for a couple thousand posts before forming(or stating) my own opinion.

To everyone who didn't stoop to petty name-calling, hats off. The rest of you need to grow up. Come and sit with my 3rd graders for a minute. Maybe you'll learn something. Or maybe you'd act like adults in real life already. Too bad I saw the real people behind the avatars/usernames in this thread. I really did like some of you until you posted here (I know, like Hippie3 said to me, 'I really don't give a shit what you think').

I'll end my time here like I did on my second post - one most of you apparently didn't read:



"All this said, I wouldn't have a chance starting with no previous experience without this site, so hats off to all the hard work and dedication and TIME spent developing the methods buried throughout this site. "


******

[hyphaenation]

I mean, you're talking shit about your customer base. It's terribly conflicting to dis on the same people you're hoping to exploit for monetary gain.

Theres the problem right there. You missed the part that we are a community not money making exploiters.

[lionelfire]

So basically, you tell your third graders that there is only one way to skin a cat.

[livewire420]

[Ras Asad]

buh bye.
peace, prozac , and all all that jazz.