White's to become minorities in the U.S.

[Lazlo]

Well shit, never saw this coming!

Illegal immigration is getting out of hand.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20189750/

[Lefty]

Interesting, but been coming for years. Somewhat misleading, as population distribution is not homogeneous. A real minority with a firm grip on the less than popular end of the stick is the white boy in prison.

[Lazlo]

I saw something on the news last night that stated by the year 2049, white's will make up less than 50% of the U.S.'s population at this rate.

[mysticwonder]

Thats odd I thought whites already had became the minority. Sure does feel like it when one takes a trip too wally world.

[Lazlo]

Hehehe. A couple of months ago I was joking with the Mrs. at a Wally World. I said, "are we in Cuba?".

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

I saw something on the news last night that stated by the year 2049, white's will make up less than 50% of the U.S.'s population at this rate.

good,
diversity is the way to the future.

[Doctor D]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame the white population's slower breeding numbers on illegal immigration. Just about every color of American other than white is procreating faster than white Americans are. Even if every illegal immigrant in the U.S was kicked out tomorrow; Asian, Hispanic, Black, and even the Native American populations' birth rates are rising faster than that of white Americans. It would still only be a matter of time. So what? This is what makes America beautiful.

Personally, I have always felt that we ought to have a tax incentive for people who marry and have children outside of their own ethnic group. The idea being that eventually, the lines separating the various ethnic groups would blur until no distinction can be made. Someone would probably challenge a law like this as discriminatory, but if there was a way to make it work, I think it would do the country some good.

[TVCasualty]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

I saw something on the news last night that stated by the year 2049, white's will make up less than 50% of the U.S.'s population at this rate.

That's amazingly optimistic...

I mean that there are people who think the U.S. will still exist in 2049...

[Lazlo]

Good point!

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by Doctor D

Personally, I have always felt that we ought to have a tax incentive for people who marry and have children outside of their own ethnic group. The idea being that eventually, the lines separating the various ethnic groups would blur until no distinction can be made. Someone would probably challenge a law like this as discriminatory, but if there was a way to make it work, I think it would do the country some good.

You can't be serious?

[Hippie3]

as serious as anyone who thinks skin color matters ?

[Shroomette]

I'm not racist imho but, come on Doctor D you can't be serious? I'm okay with the diversity.

[Mr. Clean]

I don't think it has anything to do with illegal immigration..Russel Simmons has been saying whites will become a minority for years All you really have to do is look at the ethnic percentages of public schools in the U.S. Whites are already a minority, generationally speaking. There are more Black/Asian/Latino kids in the classroom than there are Caucasian/European by far. I remember going to high school in NYC, I was one of two light-skinned people in the entire building..lol
The melting pot is really starting to bubble..! I for one am glad to hear the numbers changing, It's about time if ya ask me..sorry, white people! you had your run

[Lazlo]

Easy, you guy's are taking me the wrong way. It's not the color of skin that matters to me. Hell, i'm a mutt if there ever was one. It's the over-done immigration that bothers me. Illegal or not. This place will be populated like China before you know it.

[Mr. Clean]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

It's the over-done immigration that bothers me. Illegal or not. This place will be populated like China before you know it.

So, what do we do..hault the very thing that made America what it is today? This is a country, not an amusement park..You can't just close the doors when you hit full capacity, IMHO

[mydarling]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

It's the over-done immigration that bothers me. Illegal or not.

why does legal immigration bother you?

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Clean

This is a country, not an amusement park..You can't just close the doors when you hit full capacity, IMHO

Why not?

[Lazlo]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

as serious as anyone who thinks skin color matters ?

It doesn't have anything to do with skin color, it's culture. The way the U.S. is going, English literature will be a minority as well. Hell in Delaware the government may be making library employees learn Spanish so they can cater to immigrants that don't know English! WTH if that ain't a bit ass backwards don't you think?

[Hippie3]

no,
it's the government's duty to treat ALL citizens equally.
that means if we provide services in english for english-speaking americans
then we must provide services in other languages for other minorities.
esp. when we are on our way to being a minority
just makes sense to ensure all get equal treatment.
and the constitution has no 'cultural requirement' for citizenship-
the english were not the only immigrants to the 13 colonies,
there were many germans, dutch, french, swedes, etc.
there was never just one culture here.

[oibchip]

The government does have an obligation to treat us ALL equally. The government doesn't treat ALL of us equally though. Affirmative action has whites at a distinct disadvantage and has for a long time.

[CoyoteMesc]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

no,
it's the government's duty to treat ALL citizens equally.
that means if we provide services in english for english-speaking americans
then we must provide services in other languages for other minorities.
esp. when we are on our way to being a minority
just makes sense to ensure all get equal treatment.
and the constitution has no 'cultural requirement' for citizenship-
the english were not the only immigrants to the 13 colonies,
there were many germans, dutch, french, swedes, etc.
there was never just one culture here.

I agree with that and will ask this.......

Personally, I have always felt that we ought to have a tax incentive for people who marry and have children outside of their own ethnic group. The idea being that eventually, the lines separating the various ethnic groups would blur until no distinction can be made. Someone would probably challenge a law like this as discriminatory, but if there was a way to make it work, I think it would do the country some good.

^^^^^
How could anyone consider THAT equal?

[hyphaenation]

Enjoy the skin that you got, its not very deep ... under that we are all the same.

What blood color are you ?

[Lazlo]

So how are we the English being treated equally having to cater to other cultures here in America? Why should WE have to go through the hassles to learn new languages and cultures to cater to their needs? I don't consider that even close to being treated equally. If so, i'll pass.

[lysergic]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

Why should WE have to go through the hassles to learn new languages and cultures to cater to their needs? I don't consider that even close to being treated equally. If so, i'll pass.

Nobody is forcing YOU to learn another language.
Some might consider it more to be a broadening of intelligence than a hassle.

[Lazlo]

Oh boy, here we go again.

Like who? Those librarian's sure as hell don't won't to do it.

My family is learning Spanish, you want to know why?

[Myc]

I can see Lazlo's point.
If I immigrate to Mexico, I fully expect to have to learn their language in order to take care of my basic needs. Or any other country's language where I might choose to go.

I'm not arguing against such measures.
Just pointing out another way of looking at things.

Por eso puedo hablar el espanol
A veces, tengo que communicar con Hispanicos

[Hippie3]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

So how are we the English being treated equally having to cater to other cultures here in America? Why should WE have to go through the hassles to learn new languages and cultures to cater to their needs? I don't consider that even close to being treated equally. If so, i'll pass.

equal is just that,
it means spanish is just as valid as english for any official use-
be it a ballot or a public library.
you take for granted that you will be able to understand documents
because you expect them to be in a language you can read.
equality means that same government must offer that document
in a language it's other citizens can read too,
not just the white english-speakers.
that is bias, even if it's always been that way.
time to fix it.
culture is not static,
and no border can stop it's movement-
the all-white all-protestant american image [it was never real]
is no longer the 'standard' against which all are measured
and i for one am glad of that
as white anglo-saxon protestant america
was never going to let me or my kind 'in'.
R.I.P.

[Beastmaster]

What blood color are you ?

I'm O positive. Everyone likes me.

I hear Type B is a very temperamental, untrustworthy kind of person. My x was a type b. I hear in some countries its hard to get a date and even harder to get married, if they know your blood is type b.

[MycoChondria]

When people STOP wanting to come in, mebbe THAT's when we ought to start worrying. Immigration from diverse cultures is (and continues to be) a big part of what makes the American experiment so unique in modern history. Diversity is in the cards no matter what, whether it be here in America, or for that matter in any other place that people can envision a better future for themselves and their families.

[phraggle]

Originally Posted by Lazlo

So how are we the English being treated equally having to cater to other cultures here in America? Why should WE have to go through the hassles to learn new languages and cultures to cater to their needs? I don't consider that even close to being treated equally. If so, i'll pass.

Spanish speaking Americans pay taxes just like English speaking Americans and therefore deserve equal access to the resources that those taxes pay for. Saying that everyone who comes here and chips in has to do things the English way just because they were here first (oops, I mean second... or was it third... or fourth) is rather fascist.

If you want an all English library, then I suggest you start gathering donations from all English speaking people. If you are so adverse to attempting to meet the needs of all your fellow citizens, then I suggest you avoid working in the public sector.

[firerat]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

no,
it's the government's duty to treat ALL citizens equally.
that means if we provide services in english for english-speaking americans
then we must provide services in other languages for other minorities.
esp. when we are on our way to being a minority
just makes sense to ensure all get equal treatment.
and the constitution has no 'cultural requirement' for citizenship-
the english were not the only immigrants to the 13 colonies,
there were many germans, dutch, french, swedes, etc.
there was never just one culture here.

While I agree that ALL citizens should be treated fairly, it is rediculous to think services should be provided to all languages.

People make the mistake of thinking the government should cater to each individual, and that simply is not true. The government is there for the majority. Thats democracy. And this is supposedly a Democratic country, right?

As for the 13 colonies, your correct, they were not all english speaking. But in 1776, when the Declaration of Independence was written it was written in english. There wasn't a copy made for the French, Dutch, Swedes, etc.. As was the Bill of Rights and every other important document written there after. And have you ever tried to translate some things between multiple languages? It's impossible to do in a lot of cases. The term lost in translation comes to mind.

I personally beleive not having an official language of the land will seperate citizens. The language barriers between English, Spanish, Creole, and the hundreds of other languages causes people to close off to other cultures and keep to their own.

[firerat]

Originally Posted by phraggle

Spanish speaking Americans pay taxes just like English speaking Americans and therefore deserve equal access to the resources that those taxes pay for. Saying that everyone who comes here and chips in has to do things the English way just because they were here first (oops, I mean second... or was it third... or fourth) is rather fascist.

If you want an all English library, then I suggest you start gathering donations from all English speaking people. If you are so adverse to attempting to meet the needs of all your fellow citizens, then I suggest you avoid working in the public sector.

Spanish Americans do have access to everything English speaking citizens do. It is there for everybody.

Everytime a new language is introduced into this country, should we have a seperate library for them as well? By your rationale, not doing so would be quite facist.

[Hippie3]

The government is there for the majority. Thats democracy.

lol
that is not what democracy means,
the government is there for ALL citizens-
equality under the law,
all created equal, etc.
not just WASPS but jews and chin, greek, zulu-
we, the people
not
we white people.