Gamma irradiation aka please don't nuke my spice

Deleriant · 10-04-09, 23:33

Hi guys. SWIM has a bit of a problem. After buying some powdered MHRB on eBay it was seized by customs, not because it is a restricted substance in SWIM's country, but because it could possibly contain bacteria.

Customs' solution is to blast it with gamma rays (ie. "gamma irradiation treatment") and while his understanding of radiation leads him to believe that this couldn't possibly cause him to become sick, he does wonder whether this treatment will adversely affect the spice contained within the powder. SWIM doesn't want to pay the man to destroy his goodies!

kcmoxtractor · 10-05-09, 00:24

You can always just buy nationally. BBB sells good bark and you don't have to deal with customs.

Deleriant · 10-05-09, 01:19

SWIM lives in Australia, but thanks for the help!

apokalypse · 10-05-09, 01:30

Sounds like you've got it either way - might as well put it to use and do an extract on it.

Deleriant · 10-05-09, 01:36

Yeah it's no problem getting it, SWIM is just worried that the ionising radiation might harm or destroy the spice on a molecular level.

Ferretious · 10-05-09, 03:29

At a guess, I think you will be alright to extract. I don't think that the radiation treatment will harm the goodies.
O.K. this is a different alkaloid, but an order of poppy pods of mine were seized by the said nazis and given the same treatment to no detrimental effects to the heart warming tea that I made. The only problem is that you have to pay these nazis to do this treatment. Still they are looking after our countries interest I suppose.

Deleriant · 10-05-09, 04:05

Yes, damned Nazis making SWIM pay for his country's wellbeing! Fascists the lot of 'em!

Ah well SWIM will send them some gold in the hopes that it will work...what's a few extra bucks for spiritual enlightenment?

Ferretious · 10-05-09, 04:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deleriant

...what's a few extra bucks for spiritual enlightenment?

Exactly the way I saw it!

eastwood · 10-05-09, 07:02

then tell them to give your money back.thas bullshit.

Deleriant · 10-05-09, 08:54

Hahaha eastwood, funny stuff

Deleriant · 10-05-09, 09:22

Ok so the treatment has been paid for, but it will take 8 weeks to arrive at SWIM's doorstep...I'll keep checking this thread in case someone can give me a definite "go for it" or "this shit will fuckin kill you".

Thanks guys/gals!

finite_synapses · 10-05-09, 12:33

Gamma irradiation is used to solely destroy living organisms. Anything non-living should be nearly unaffected by the high burst of radiation it is submitted to. You should be golden. There are a large amount of foods that you consume on a daily basis that are irradiated, yet the general molecular makeup remains the same. If anything, there may be a slightly lowered yield, but even that is highly improbable.

Deleriant · 10-06-09, 02:12

Ok thanks that's sort of what I was hoping to hear

I'll let you guys know how it goes in eight weeks or so!

Also, is that a Gir suit in your avatar, finite?

whitethumb · 10-06-09, 03:18

a quick question, what does happen to you if customs intercept a package of yours? could anybody help a fello topian out

Ferretious · 10-06-09, 05:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitethumb

a quick question, what does happen to you if customs intercept a package of yours? could anybody help a fello topian out

It depends on what it is. If it's half a kilo of heroin then you are in the shit! No matter where in the world you are.
If it's something legal to import, yet a threat to the biosecurity of your country, or in the grey area of law, then customs will do the nazi on you.
For instense, here in QLD Australia they give you three options.
Irradiation, Send it back to the sender, or destroy it!
The only free option is to destroy it!

finite_synapses · 10-06-09, 05:15

Yes, Gir. but I think it may have been photo-shopped onto a half-nekkid chick. That, or it was painted on...

Deleriant · 10-06-09, 09:33

Ahh Photoshop, should have known it was too good to be true!!

Also SWIM has had packages laden with white powder (2cb, 2ce, 2ci, fluoroamphetamine aka 4-fma, synthesised and utterly disgusting 5-meo-dmt, actually this one was orange) siezed by customs after they were sent to thier home address in QLD on a few occasions, and the worst that happened was that SWIM received a "Cease and Desist" notification. I believe this happens because anyone can send anyone else whatever they please through the mail, so the actual receipt of goods isn't illegal. However I am speaking of relatively small amounts (<20g in each of the seized packages), I'm sure if someone was to send half a kilo of smack through the mail bad things would happen to the receiving party.

Also I'm not real sure about how readily the Nazis would test any given suspect powder for phenethylamines or tryptamines, and it did seem to SWIM that the packages containing the 4-fma were seized more frequently. Probably coincidence.

SWIM does however find it rather amusing that said Nazis out there basically just said "Hey could you stop doing that?" after attempting to import illicit substances from Asia on multiple occasions.

EDIT: Oh and yes, Ferretious is spot on about the options and unfortunately the hardcore blast-the-living-shit-out-of-it (hah quite literally!) treatment is (relatively) expensive

Shamsu · 10-06-09, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deleriant

Hi guys. SWIM has a bit of a problem. After buying some powdered MHRB on eBay it was seized by customs, not because it is a restricted substance in SWIM's country, but because it could possibly contain bacteria.
Customs' solution is to blast it with gamma rays (ie. "gamma irradiation treatment") and while his understanding of radiation leads him to believe that this couldn't possibly cause him to become sick, he does wonder whether this treatment will adversely affect the spice contained within the powder. SWIM doesn't want to pay the man to destroy his goodies!

Gamma treatments only work on living cells, like bacteria. all it does is mess with the number of electrons in the cell causing death of the cell due to irregular metabolic and "normal" cell function

BuckarooBanzai · 10-06-09, 12:19

Gamma irradiation won't hurt the magic in the bark at all.

It is a good thing to blame it on if your extraction fails, though. Damn government ruined my extraction!

Deleriant · 10-06-09, 22:19

Ahh don't even say that! SWIM would be devo'd if it failed after spending $130+ just to get the materials! Especially considering their only other source is making considerable profit off this amazing substance. SWIM can't wait to share the love!

BuckarooBanzai · 10-06-09, 22:56

Ya do know that talking about profiting (which implies re-selling) is a total no-no around here, right?

Deleriant · 10-07-09, 00:48

I didn't know that, but I assure you the SWIM that is after this info by no means plans to sell any of this. SWIM believes this stuff should be shared, not sold. SWIM is no business hippy, like some people around their area

EDIT: Actually this is the main reason SWIM wants to do an extraction in the first place. SWIM has plenty of friends that he would love to dose up on this stuff, but he simply can't afford to at the going price.

BuckarooBanzai · 10-07-09, 02:08

Well, distributing for free is another one of those things that we strongly discourage discussing.

Man you should really read the basic board rules...ignorance of the rules is not a defense...

That last post counts as two. Three times and I'm gonna have to call a strike and lay an infraction on you. I don't wanna do that. I freakin' hate baseball metaphors.

To those who might be following along - ANY discussion about re-distribution (for profit or for free) is not a discussion which is welcome on Mycotopia.

Deleriant · 10-07-09, 02:41

Haha ok no problems!

*checks forum rules*

Hippie3 · 10-07-09, 08:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deleriant

I didn't know that, but I assure you the SWIM that is after this info by no means plans to sell any of this. SWIM believes this stuff should be shared, not sold. SWIM is no business hippy, like some people around their area

EDIT: Actually this is the main reason SWIM wants to do an extraction in the first place. SWIM has plenty of friends that he would love to dose up on this stuff, but he simply can't afford to at the going price.

hmmm,
of course
'priming the pump', so to speak,
by doling out free samples
to potential future customers
is a well known popular and effective method
of getting a new business up and running...
in other words
your motives are suspicious in my mind.
it's not normal human behavior to
commit a serious felony
at considerable cost and difficulty
just to give it away.
esp. if done more than once.
so i recommend that you
expect neither the judge nor jury to believe you .

Shamsu · 10-07-09, 13:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippie3

hmmm,
of course
'priming the pump', so to speak,
by doling out free samples
to potential future customers
is a well known popular and effective method
of getting a new business up and running...
in other words
your motives are suspicious in my mind.
it's not normal human behavior to
commit a serious felony
at considerable cost and difficulty
just to give it away.
esp. if done more than once.
so i recommend that you
expect neither the judge nor jury to believe you .

Well said

Deleriant · 10-08-09, 20:12

So what it's not possible that I have good intentions? Really, if I wanted to make money I would dabble in something that is less of a niche market. It would be a lot easier than fucking around with caustic soda and lighter fluid and grinding trees to a powder, too. And seriously this stuff is different. It's not your normal psychedelic. You can't tell me you've never just given someone a dose cos you thought they'd appreciate it.

I could pick what you've said to pieces and defend myself against every accusation but what's the point? I'm guilty until proven innocent, it would seem. Seems to me a lot of the people here are a bit jaded. I'm sure if I told you I was part of the "younger generation" you'd be even less inclined to believe that my motives are not based on making profit, I mean we're all just money-grubbing, product-of-our-fucked-up-society drones intent on spreading capitalism and complacence for our various governments, whom of course are to be trusted and followed blindly into oblivion.

</rant>

EDIT: Kay so it seems I no longer have posting privileges. I wonder if this edit will go through...

Just a bummer that some people here would rather be rude and arrogant than give me a chance. I ask you though...would anything I said have made a difference, or is just the mention of money enough to be branded untrustworthy? How would I have proven myself? Was my attitude really unexpected after your post? You take everything I say and throw it back in my face like it has zero value, of course I'm not going to be happy about it.

All I want is to be able to talk on this board and be given some respect.

Hippie3 · 10-08-09, 20:34

well. you obviously haven't learned
that you get further being nice
than by getting confrontational.

being 'possible' is not enough.
it's possible you have good intentions
but it is also possible that you do not.

it is possible that you are a liar,
a piece of shit with a big mouth and a bad attitude.

so careful when you rant at me, boy,
it's possible that i might toss your ass off my site.

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10-04-09, 23:33	#1 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Gamma irradiation aka please don't nuke my spice Hi guys. SWIM has a bit of a problem. After buying some powdered MHRB on eBay it was seized by customs, not because it is a restricted substance in SWIM's country, but because it could possibly contain bacteria. Customs' solution is to blast it with gamma rays (ie. "gamma irradiation treatment") and while his understanding of radiation leads him to believe that this couldn't possibly cause him to become sick, he does wonder whether this treatment will adversely affect the spice contained within the powder. SWIM doesn't want to pay the man to destroy his goodies!

10-05-09, 00:24	#2 (permalink)
kcmoxtractor Satan's Helper Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,349	You can always just buy nationally. BBB sells good bark and you don't have to deal with customs. __________________ "It was the straying that found the path direct" - Austin Osman Spare

10-05-09, 01:30	#4 (permalink)
apokalypse Dr. Durgs Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,456	Sounds like you've got it either way - might as well put it to use and do an extract on it. __________________ "Soo, babies don't come out the butt?"

10-05-09, 03:29	#6 (permalink)
Ferretious St Peter Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 143	At a guess, I think you will be alright to extract. I don't think that the radiation treatment will harm the goodies. O.K. this is a different alkaloid, but an order of poppy pods of mine were seized by the said nazis and given the same treatment to no detrimental effects to the heart warming tea that I made. The only problem is that you have to pay these nazis to do this treatment. Still they are looking after our countries interest I suppose. __________________ Out here on the perimeter there are no stars! Out here on the perimeter we is trippin' balls!

10-05-09, 01:19	#3 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	SWIM lives in Australia, but thanks for the help!

10-05-09, 01:36	#5 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Yeah it's no problem getting it, SWIM is just worried that the ionising radiation might harm or destroy the spice on a molecular level.

10-05-09, 04:05	#7 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Yes, damned Nazis making SWIM pay for his country's wellbeing! Fascists the lot of 'em! Ah well SWIM will send them some gold in the hopes that it will work...what's a few extra bucks for spiritual enlightenment?

10-05-09, 07:02	#9 (permalink)
eastwood Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 2,916	then tell them to give your money back.thas bullshit.

10-05-09, 08:54	#10 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Hahaha eastwood, funny stuff

10-05-09, 09:22	#11 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Ok so the treatment has been paid for, but it will take 8 weeks to arrive at SWIM's doorstep...I'll keep checking this thread in case someone can give me a definite "go for it" or "this shit will fuckin kill you". Thanks guys/gals!

10-05-09, 12:33	#12 (permalink)
finite_synapses Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 89	Gamma irradiation is used to solely destroy living organisms. Anything non-living should be nearly unaffected by the high burst of radiation it is submitted to. You should be golden. There are a large amount of foods that you consume on a daily basis that are irradiated, yet the general molecular makeup remains the same. If anything, there may be a slightly lowered yield, but even that is highly improbable.

10-06-09, 02:12	#13 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Ok thanks that's sort of what I was hoping to hear I'll let you guys know how it goes in eight weeks or so! Also, is that a Gir suit in your avatar, finite?

10-06-09, 03:18	#14 (permalink)
whitethumb Mycophiliac Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 63	a quick question, what does happen to you if customs intercept a package of yours? could anybody help a fello topian out __________________ This drug has eaten up my body My cells are at the mercy of this plague - Versus The World

10-06-09, 05:15	#16 (permalink)
finite_synapses Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 89	Yes, Gir. but I think it may have been photo-shopped onto a half-nekkid chick. That, or it was painted on...

10-06-09, 09:33	#17 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Ahh Photoshop, should have known it was too good to be true!! Also SWIM has had packages laden with white powder (2cb, 2ce, 2ci, fluoroamphetamine aka 4-fma, synthesised and utterly disgusting 5-meo-dmt, actually this one was orange) siezed by customs after they were sent to thier home address in QLD on a few occasions, and the worst that happened was that SWIM received a "Cease and Desist" notification. I believe this happens because anyone can send anyone else whatever they please through the mail, so the actual receipt of goods isn't illegal. However I am speaking of relatively small amounts (<20g in each of the seized packages), I'm sure if someone was to send half a kilo of smack through the mail bad things would happen to the receiving party. Also I'm not real sure about how readily the Nazis would test any given suspect powder for phenethylamines or tryptamines, and it did seem to SWIM that the packages containing the 4-fma were seized more frequently. Probably coincidence. SWIM does however find it rather amusing that said Nazis out there basically just said "Hey could you stop doing that?" after attempting to import illicit substances from Asia on multiple occasions. EDIT: Oh and yes, Ferretious is spot on about the options and unfortunately the hardcore blast-the-living-shit-out-of-it (hah quite literally!) treatment is (relatively) expensive

10-06-09, 12:19	#19 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Gamma irradiation won't hurt the magic in the bark at all. It is a good thing to blame it on if your extraction fails, though. Damn government ruined my extraction! __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-06-09, 22:19	#20 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Ahh don't even say that! SWIM would be devo'd if it failed after spending $130+ just to get the materials! Especially considering their only other source is making considerable profit off this amazing substance. SWIM can't wait to share the love!

10-06-09, 22:56	#21 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Ya do know that talking about profiting (which implies re-selling) is a total no-no around here, right? __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-07-09, 00:48	#22 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	I didn't know that, but I assure you the SWIM that is after this info by no means plans to sell any of this. SWIM believes this stuff should be shared, not sold. SWIM is no business hippy, like some people around their area EDIT: Actually this is the main reason SWIM wants to do an extraction in the first place. SWIM has plenty of friends that he would love to dose up on this stuff, but he simply can't afford to at the going price.

10-07-09, 02:08	#23 (permalink)
BuckarooBanzai Prone to ranting... Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 6,050	Well, distributing for free is another one of those things that we strongly discourage discussing. Man you should really read the basic board rules...ignorance of the rules is not a defense... That last post counts as two. Three times and I'm gonna have to call a strike and lay an infraction on you. I don't wanna do that. I freakin' hate baseball metaphors. To those who might be following along - ANY discussion about re-distribution (for profit or for free) is not a discussion which is welcome on Mycotopia. __________________ Banzai Institute for Higher Education (a collection of growing Teks & threads)

10-07-09, 02:41	#24 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	Haha ok no problems! checks forum rules

10-08-09, 20:12	#27 (permalink)
Deleriant Mycophiliac Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15	So what it's not possible that I have good intentions? Really, if I wanted to make money I would dabble in something that is less of a niche market. It would be a lot easier than fucking around with caustic soda and lighter fluid and grinding trees to a powder, too. And seriously this stuff is different. It's not your normal psychedelic. You can't tell me you've never just given someone a dose cos you thought they'd appreciate it. I could pick what you've said to pieces and defend myself against every accusation but what's the point? I'm guilty until proven innocent, it would seem. Seems to me a lot of the people here are a bit jaded. I'm sure if I told you I was part of the "younger generation" you'd be even less inclined to believe that my motives are not based on making profit, I mean we're all just money-grubbing, product-of-our-fucked-up-society drones intent on spreading capitalism and complacence for our various governments, whom of course are to be trusted and followed blindly into oblivion. </rant> EDIT: Kay so it seems I no longer have posting privileges. I wonder if this edit will go through... Just a bummer that some people here would rather be rude and arrogant than give me a chance. I ask you though...would anything I said have made a difference, or is just the mention of money enough to be branded untrustworthy? How would I have proven myself? Was my attitude really unexpected after your post? You take everything I say and throw it back in my face like it has zero value, of course I'm not going to be happy about it. All I want is to be able to talk on this board and be given some respect.

10-08-09, 20:34	#28 (permalink)
Hippie3 DUNG DEALER Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 43,272	well. you obviously haven't learned that you get further being nice than by getting confrontational. being 'possible' is not enough. it's possible you have good intentions but it is also possible that you do not. it is possible that you are a liar, a piece of shit with a big mouth and a bad attitude. so careful when you rant at me, boy, it's possible that i might toss your ass off my site. __________________ visit dial-a-hippie .

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