fungi Archive through July 15, 2004 - Page 13

07-10-04, 09:09

yes.

07-10-04, 09:15

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

might i suggest instead
using plain damp cardboard ? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/31998.h tml

07-10-04, 09:19

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

AFOAF got bored and broke 'em up.. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

it's my belief that cakes do better if left intact,
unless broken up to use as spawn for bulk.

07-10-04, 09:21

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

i could add a small amount of BRF to some verm and sterilize, then case with that.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

no ,
never use brf in a casing.

07-10-04, 09:29

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

it's saver to do a mycelium transfer to another jar with substrate as opposed to a dextrose jar? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
your best option
would be to transfer a tiny bit of tissue
to agar [antibiotic agar even better]
then grow it out,
transfer to more agar plates
until you get enough nice clean mycellia
then use a wedge of that to
make your dextrose/honey jars.

07-10-04, 09:31

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

i have always had to learn the hardway!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
well,
at least you LEARNED.

mychael · 07-10-04, 09:36

Thanks, Hip. And thanks, everyone! I have 3 trays of Amazonian that I grew out on popcorn and cased 50/50 at the same time I was doing the B+ PF cakes. They took alot longer to pin (going the casing route), but there are so many of the little guys, that I'm sure I'll be happy w/ the results.

I look forward to contributing more in the near future than just my impatient whining. Thanks for being here.

Mychael

roc · 07-10-04, 10:18

lmao!

roc · 07-10-04, 10:19

Could slow things down just a tad but otherwise good.

(Message edited by rochester on July 10, 2004)

07-10-04, 10:39

If folks have not read "Tales of Don Juan" by Carlos Castenada, I highly recommend it as an introduction to Indian spiritual practices using Psilocybin and Peyote among other natural hallucinogens. The term shamanic is also explained.

07-10-04, 10:41

Imao? what's that stand for? Thanks, Matthew

seven · 07-10-04, 10:41

well I'm never amazed at the length the Ralph goes thru to please are butts . so im not surprised too see that he has this special up that just kick ass . he has gone mad lol. now he is packing hole prints into a syringe. for the newbies most vendors add between 1/5th to 1/10th a print per . that said a smart person will take 1 and make 4 or 5 . so a big thumbs up AGAIN to raplhstersspores.com

also browse around the selction you might see some pics of your shrooms from the archives .
later 7

seven · 07-10-04, 10:46

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

Tales of Don Juan"<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
this is a good read , its also where the legend of smoking mushrooms was first discussed .

shedthemonkey · 07-10-04, 10:55

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

Imao? what's that stand for?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

It's LMAO not IMAO. Stands for Laughing my ass off. Another like it is ROTFL for Rolling on the floor laughing or ROTFLMAO which includes an ass falling off too. ;-)

07-10-04, 10:57

sounds awesome!

just a quick question though.........
will that many spores jammed together work well with each other to colonize the jars, or will it fight each other?? sorry if this is a dumb question, i just remember reading somewhere that too much spores innoculated is no good.???

But deff karma to ralph

seven · 07-10-04, 10:59

i like the cardboard tek for cleaning cultures up , definitely one of the cooler teks , brf/ as a agar substitute sounds like a contam waiting to happen. have you tried dog food agar , seems to good for keeping cultures in the fridge for your culture library . I've had better results with dog food then while using peptone in my mya . could it be due to the high concentrations of perservitives<-- spelled wrong i know ) in the food. what due you guys think ?

p2k1 · 07-10-04, 11:00

It was just a little bit, but the patch isnt that big either, and I have nothing BUT time.

seven · 07-10-04, 11:06

ok im talking to ralph im gonna try and get him to awser your ? for ya guys . as i dont wanna speak for him . if he is to busy all qoute what he says word for word . to get the hole scoop

07-10-04, 11:19

it's also
complete fiction
with very little basis in reality.

07-10-04, 11:36

Castenada was a fraud, his work complete bullshit passed
off as fact and bought into by heads worldwide who wanted to
believe - NOT a manual to anything spriritual, indian, or otherwise.

"Clan of the Cave Bear" is more accurate, if that's
what you're looking for

soliver

07-10-04, 12:08

just a question for the more noligable.
how long can prepoured agar dishes sit before they are no good?
can you store them in the fridge in ziploc bags untill they are needed?
1 litre of agar makes 25 dishes, right? well what do you do with the ones you dont use?

seven · 07-10-04, 12:12

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!>quote:

it's also
complete fiction
with very little basis in reality<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
agreed , but still a good read . its not to say that somthing good cant be taken away from it .imho

python · 07-10-04, 12:33

07-10-04, 12:42

Wow

. Thanks for the advice. I think I am gonna try that. I have everything I need to give it a try.

There is one reason why I think this is a great advice (which is probably why you came up with it). The reason is that the mycelium I have now is not strong and healthy enough. So I have to come up with a way to isolate some of the better mycelium to be able to grow and fruit with success. I don't know... it's just a feeling basically.

The only prob is that I already made the dextrose water. But it is doing very well! So I will use a tiny bit of the mycelium that's floating around in it to start the agar culture. I will not use the mycelium in the dextrose water because it hasn't the strength to colonize a substrate.

Can anyone tell me what growth should I be looking for with the Pan. Cyanescens species? What does the HEALTHY mycelium looks like? Or does it have the same characteristics like Cubensis? I do know that Pan Cyanescens mycelium is more fragile.

Thanks! :-)

P.s: I will keep posting my results back to the forum

(Message edited by CurryShroomer on July 10, 2004)

07-10-04, 13:03

I'd seen syringes people made that were pretty much purple. I don't think it ever hurts anything, just gets to a point to where its no longer a benefit to add more.

07-10-04, 13:32

Right, I figured it out, great thanks!!! :-) Matthew

xcvx · 07-10-04, 15:26

Okay so to preface this I'm just gonna say that I feel stupid writing this because if I had read this authored by someone else I'd prolly think "what an idiot" while reading. But anyway here's my question.

Has anyone done a night of drinking until say 4 or 5 and then dosed? Is it safe? See I want to party with the fellas until late and then watch the sun rise while dosing. Any help is appreciated, please, no flames...

07-10-04, 15:38

And I mean for one solution which would be fine for oyster, reishi, shitake and a couple of others...

tommyk318 · 07-10-04, 15:42

being tired can lead to a bad trip, keep in mind

fucgubarn · 07-10-04, 15:44

yes,
was thinking the same!
but
since i do not know,
did it as per brainbreath
and
a little less than 1/8tbs peptone per half-pint cake,
wanted to have a bigger differnce
thanks

07-10-04, 15:53

those is an awsome ideas I was thinking bout the push light and as for the florescent with the cord I was worried bout heat but I got a heat rock under there too so I think it should be fine.I thank you all and if anyone has any mnore ideas just to gain some ideas for everyone please post them.

07-10-04, 16:00

lol sorry bout that..they were dry, i ate 4 grams and didnt trip as hard as i did when i bought an eighth a while ago in RI and ate the whole thing. mine were also picked pretty early, just before the veils broke so i dont quite see what im doing wrong, this also happened with my golden teachers on half pint pf jars not cased. someone help!! thanks

07-10-04, 16:04

you would probably be fine, but like tommy said, being tired and tripping really sucks.. if you just took a little, you could probably get by

07-10-04, 16:25

while tired, i have had nothing but bad experiences.
start early. even taking them at like 10 or 11 can
be bad. when it gets to be 3 or 4 in the AM, your
trip can turn bad and sleeping may be out of the question
if you're still hyped up. I remember my first trip.
The thought that came to my mind was 'poisoning'
and as i tried to force myself to sleep, a composite
of all of the music i had listened to that night echoed
in my mind and haunted me. with my eyes closed,
i saw thorned vines growing on and constricting gravestones.
it was no good. x_x

07-10-04, 16:26

I rarely go without consuming large quantities of alcohol first. I tend to take 7 to 10 dry gram doses and I like having the booze to screw up my courage. I don't have any more problems, stomach or otherwise, whether I'm drinking or not. Sometimes I puke or get the trots and sometimes I don't, though I may tend to blank out a bit during really intense portions of the peak.
IMO, unless you are too drunk to walk or speak, no problems.

07-10-04, 16:26

Try some mushy tea. Don't eat for at least 3-4 hours before consumption. It will all hit you at once, and then you should know if its a potency problem or a metabolism problem. Also, weight could have something to do with it. I weigh roughly 180, but have a relatively hard head so I need 5 or more grams to "get off".

07-10-04, 16:28

Edible syringes? Sounds dangerous :P.

I think the only real way for long term storage is a spore suspension. Mycelium will eventually die off after the food has been consumed.

07-10-04, 16:32

It's not as well known but I learned a lot from The Four Winds; A Shaman's Journey into the Amazon by Alberto Villoldo. His follow-up, Journey to the Island of the Sun is good too.

Inka shamans are my favorite. Hope to go there and see it all first hand one day.

p2k1 · 07-10-04, 17:13

http://www.radioshack.ca/estore/Product.aspx?langu age=en-CA&product=6118224&category=HomeAppliances & catalog=RadioShack

I saw this today and incubator was the first thought that sprung into my head. It says it can reach up to 65 celsius. when i looked at it today i only saw 3 positions for the switch: hot, off, and cold. If it can be set to a temperature (Such as 86 degrees) and then monitored and maintained with a thermometer, this would be great albeit expensive incubator.

Im gonna look it up further on the web

chill · 07-10-04, 17:18

Hell yea,

Looks perfect, almost as if they were thinking of shrooms when they built it.

07-10-04, 17:19

Until something starts growing in them, they are pretty much okay, but general info says to try & use them within 6 months or less. Yes, storage in the fridge in a ziplock is suggested. I mix up only 300 mls at a time and I get 18 to 20 plates out of that amount... why mix up more than you need at any given time? I have a small baster that holds 15 ml, so that's what each dish gets, plain & simple. Using some technique to make things all the same aint all that hard. Do the math for how many dishes you want, weigh out the required amounts of ingredients, and you're off to the races! This is assuming that you DO have a scale......

07-10-04, 17:39

Very nice I use something much like it for travel to keep my food while I drive, I have to use a power invertor in my car but it works nice. Thanks for the add, Sidney.

cleanjar · 07-10-04, 18:41

Hey folks,

Just wanted to share with you all that the bleach bath works for me
And works just as good for me as the hot water pasturization does.

I use a 12-something gallon rubbermaid
Put the rubbermaid in the bath-tub
Fill it will about 10 gallons of water
Add about 3/4 cup of household bleach
Submerge my pillow-case of straw
Put 2 five-pound weights ontop to hold it down.
Wait 12 hours
Pull the pillow case out of the rubbermaid
Step on it with bare feet in the tub to strain water off
And then take the strained pillow case towards my Hepa
And immediately spawn the straw into gallon ziplock bags.

It works good for me.
It doesn't use up any electricity
It doesn't stink up the kitchen, or the bathroom
And it works just as good as the conventional method on the stove.

All the leftover water is just dumped into the tub
-I then clean the tub after each run with soft scrub and bleach, to disinfect for future showers/baths.

I've used the bleach/water bath method several times now, no contams at all.

Keep shroomin,
Cleanjar

07-10-04, 19:04

Im almost embarrassed to ask this question.
Many moons ago some friends and I tried some large immature shrooms(unopend caps) red with white stems. Very clean experience(no stomach upset) lots and lots of laughter, auditory hallucinations and kaliedascope(sp? u know what I mean) patterns.Im on a quixote like quest to find these again.I dont reckon they were amanitas as amanitas made me sick,sleepy and little else.
Sound familiar to anyone?

07-10-04, 19:09

ive read the cardboard tek and understand it completely. my question is i have never seen "grey" cardboard. i have seen tons of "brown" cardboard. what is special about the "grey"? iam thinking of looking at the grocery store next time iam there. Also please give me some more info on the "dogfood" agar tek. peace out

p2k1 · 07-10-04, 19:11

Can anyone estimate how many half pints you could keep in there?

07-10-04, 19:12

looks to me about eight

07-10-04, 19:25

Did you ever get a chance to see any ben hua thanons?

07-10-04, 20:06

would it die off if you kept it in the fridge?

alpiner · 07-10-04, 20:46

slants keep for ages I dont see why not a serynge with karo would lot keep for a month or two if you found the right temp to almost stop growth

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07-10-04, 09:15	#602 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> might i suggest instead using plain damp cardboard ? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/31998.h tml

07-10-04, 09:19	#603 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> AFOAF got bored and broke 'em up.. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> it's my belief that cakes do better if left intact, unless broken up to use as spawn for bulk.

07-10-04, 09:21	#604 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> i could add a small amount of BRF to some verm and sterilize, then case with that.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> no , never use brf in a casing.

07-10-04, 09:29	#605 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> it's saver to do a mycelium transfer to another jar with substrate as opposed to a dextrose jar? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> your best option would be to transfer a tiny bit of tissue to agar [antibiotic agar even better] then grow it out, transfer to more agar plates until you get enough nice clean mycellia then use a wedge of that to make your dextrose/honey jars.

07-10-04, 09:09	#601 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	yes.

07-10-04, 09:31	#606 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> i have always had to learn the hardway!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> well, at least you LEARNED.

07-10-04, 09:36	#607 (permalink)
mychael Mycophiliac Join Date: Oct 1972 Posts: 10	Thanks, Hip. And thanks, everyone! I have 3 trays of Amazonian that I grew out on popcorn and cased 50/50 at the same time I was doing the B+ PF cakes. They took alot longer to pin (going the casing route), but there are so many of the little guys, that I'm sure I'll be happy w/ the results. I look forward to contributing more in the near future than just my impatient whining. Thanks for being here. Mychael

07-10-04, 10:18	#608 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 4,460	lmao! __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

07-10-04, 10:19	#609 (permalink)
roc Old Man Join Date: Mar 1970 Posts: 4,460	Could slow things down just a tad but otherwise good. (Message edited by rochester on July 10, 2004) __________________ ubuntu! Member of Native Geekaho Tribe. "Think for yourself and question authority"

07-10-04, 10:39	#610 (permalink)
~matthew Guest Posts: n/a	If folks have not read "Tales of Don Juan" by Carlos Castenada, I highly recommend it as an introduction to Indian spiritual practices using Psilocybin and Peyote among other natural hallucinogens. The term shamanic is also explained.

07-10-04, 10:41	#611 (permalink)
~matthew Guest Posts: n/a	Imao? what's that stand for? Thanks, Matthew

07-10-04, 10:41	#612 (permalink)
seven Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 1970 Posts: 95	well I'm never amazed at the length the Ralph goes thru to please are butts . so im not surprised too see that he has this special up that just kick ass . he has gone mad lol. now he is packing hole prints into a syringe. for the newbies most vendors add between 1/5th to 1/10th a print per . that said a smart person will take 1 and make 4 or 5 . so a big thumbs up AGAIN to raplhstersspores.com also browse around the selction you might see some pics of your shrooms from the archives . later 7

07-10-04, 10:46	#613 (permalink)
seven Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 1970 Posts: 95	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> Tales of Don Juan"<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> this is a good read , its also where the legend of smoking mushrooms was first discussed .

07-10-04, 10:55	#614 (permalink)
shedthemonkey Mycotopiate Join Date: Sep 1972 Posts: 1,427	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> Imao? what's that stand for?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> It's LMAO not IMAO. Stands for Laughing my ass off. Another like it is ROTFL for Rolling on the floor laughing or ROTFLMAO which includes an ass falling off too. ;-) __________________ A Buddhist walks up to a Hot Dog Stand and says "Make me one with everything."

07-10-04, 12:33	#623 (permalink)
python Former Member Join Date: Apr 1973 Posts: 2,652

07-10-04, 10:57	#615 (permalink)
~freaked Guest Posts: n/a	sounds awesome! just a quick question though......... will that many spores jammed together work well with each other to colonize the jars, or will it fight each other?? sorry if this is a dumb question, i just remember reading somewhere that too much spores innoculated is no good.??? But deff karma to ralph

07-10-04, 10:59	#616 (permalink)
seven Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 1970 Posts: 95	i like the cardboard tek for cleaning cultures up , definitely one of the cooler teks , brf/ as a agar substitute sounds like a contam waiting to happen. have you tried dog food agar , seems to good for keeping cultures in the fridge for your culture library . I've had better results with dog food then while using peptone in my mya . could it be due to the high concentrations of perservitives<-- spelled wrong i know ) in the food. what due you guys think ?

07-10-04, 11:00	#617 (permalink)
p2k1 Mycotopiate Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 386	It was just a little bit, but the patch isnt that big either, and I have nothing BUT time. __________________ Stay free As soon as they popped my gate I knew these motherfuckers made a mistake

07-10-04, 11:06	#618 (permalink)
seven Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 1970 Posts: 95	ok im talking to ralph im gonna try and get him to awser your ? for ya guys . as i dont wanna speak for him . if he is to busy all qoute what he says word for word . to get the hole scoop

07-10-04, 11:19	#619 (permalink)
~hippie3 Guest Posts: n/a	it's also complete fiction with very little basis in reality.

07-10-04, 11:36	#620 (permalink)
~the Guest Posts: n/a	Castenada was a fraud, his work complete bullshit passed off as fact and bought into by heads worldwide who wanted to believe - NOT a manual to anything spriritual, indian, or otherwise. "Clan of the Cave Bear" is more accurate, if that's what you're looking for soliver

07-10-04, 12:08	#621 (permalink)
~yfrefje Guest Posts: n/a	just a question for the more noligable. how long can prepoured agar dishes sit before they are no good? can you store them in the fridge in ziploc bags untill they are needed? 1 litre of agar makes 25 dishes, right? well what do you do with the ones you dont use?

07-10-04, 12:12	#622 (permalink)
seven Mycophiliac Join Date: Dec 1970 Posts: 95	<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font> it's also complete fiction with very little basis in reality<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote> agreed , but still a good read . its not to say that somthing good cant be taken away from it .imho

07-10-04, 12:42	#624 (permalink)
~curryshroomer Guest Posts: n/a	Wow . Thanks for the advice. I think I am gonna try that. I have everything I need to give it a try. There is one reason why I think this is a great advice (which is probably why you came up with it). The reason is that the mycelium I have now is not strong and healthy enough. So I have to come up with a way to isolate some of the better mycelium to be able to grow and fruit with success. I don't know... it's just a feeling basically. The only prob is that I already made the dextrose water. But it is doing very well! So I will use a tiny bit of the mycelium that's floating around in it to start the agar culture. I will not use the mycelium in the dextrose water because it hasn't the strength to colonize a substrate. Can anyone tell me what growth should I be looking for with the Pan. Cyanescens species? What does the HEALTHY mycelium looks like? Or does it have the same characteristics like Cubensis? I do know that Pan Cyanescens mycelium is more fragile. Thanks! :-) P.s: I will keep posting my results back to the forum (Message edited by CurryShroomer on July 10, 2004)

07-10-04, 13:03	#625 (permalink)
~i_am_me Guest Posts: n/a	I'd seen syringes people made that were pretty much purple. I don't think it ever hurts anything, just gets to a point to where its no longer a benefit to add more.

07-10-04, 13:32	#626 (permalink)
~matthew Guest Posts: n/a	Right, I figured it out, great thanks!!! :-) Matthew

07-10-04, 15:26	#627 (permalink)
xcvx Mycophiliac Join Date: Feb 1972 Posts: 9	Okay so to preface this I'm just gonna say that I feel stupid writing this because if I had read this authored by someone else I'd prolly think "what an idiot" while reading. But anyway here's my question. Has anyone done a night of drinking until say 4 or 5 and then dosed? Is it safe? See I want to party with the fellas until late and then watch the sun rise while dosing. Any help is appreciated, please, no flames...

07-10-04, 15:38	#628 (permalink)
~i_am_me Guest Posts: n/a	And I mean for one solution which would be fine for oyster, reishi, shitake and a couple of others...

07-10-04, 15:42	#629 (permalink)
tommyk318 Mycophiliac Join Date: Jul 1972 Posts: 28	being tired can lead to a bad trip, keep in mind

07-10-04, 15:44	#630 (permalink)
fucgubarn Mycotopiate Join Date: Jan 1971 Posts: 501	yes, was thinking the same! but since i do not know, did it as per brainbreath and a little less than 1/8tbs peptone per half-pint cake, wanted to have a bigger differnce thanks __________________ don't worry, be stupid!

07-10-04, 15:53	#631 (permalink)
~steiny Guest Posts: n/a	those is an awsome ideas I was thinking bout the push light and as for the florescent with the cord I was worried bout heat but I got a heat rock under there too so I think it should be fine.I thank you all and if anyone has any mnore ideas just to gain some ideas for everyone please post them.

07-10-04, 16:00	#632 (permalink)
~danny Guest Posts: n/a	lol sorry bout that..they were dry, i ate 4 grams and didnt trip as hard as i did when i bought an eighth a while ago in RI and ate the whole thing. mine were also picked pretty early, just before the veils broke so i dont quite see what im doing wrong, this also happened with my golden teachers on half pint pf jars not cased. someone help!! thanks

07-10-04, 16:04	#633 (permalink)
~bdog Guest Posts: n/a	you would probably be fine, but like tommy said, being tired and tripping really sucks.. if you just took a little, you could probably get by

07-10-04, 16:25	#634 (permalink)
~ramen Guest Posts: n/a	while tired, i have had nothing but bad experiences. start early. even taking them at like 10 or 11 can be bad. when it gets to be 3 or 4 in the AM, your trip can turn bad and sleeping may be out of the question if you're still hyped up. I remember my first trip. The thought that came to my mind was 'poisoning' and as i tried to force myself to sleep, a composite of all of the music i had listened to that night echoed in my mind and haunted me. with my eyes closed, i saw thorned vines growing on and constricting gravestones. it was no good. x_x

07-10-04, 16:26	#635 (permalink)
~mishnef Guest Posts: n/a	I rarely go without consuming large quantities of alcohol first. I tend to take 7 to 10 dry gram doses and I like having the booze to screw up my courage. I don't have any more problems, stomach or otherwise, whether I'm drinking or not. Sometimes I puke or get the trots and sometimes I don't, though I may tend to blank out a bit during really intense portions of the peak. IMO, unless you are too drunk to walk or speak, no problems.