fungi Archive through January 28, 2005

One of the jars in question has shown. The others seem really dry, but i'll wait and see if anything happens. I did some more jars without vermeculite and expect better results. Just for refrence, could you re-hydrate the dry jars? How?

[cutty]

If you have any reason to believe your room mate will find your shit,DONT grow your probably right.

And if the cops were called they'd probably be there so fast you wouldnt have a chance to dump everything.

[yupster]

An informant is an informant is a informant.

If you are around people that will call the police if they find your project. You should probably stick to growing white button mushrooms for the experience until you can get in a safe situation.

"If a person were to break in and find your stuff and turned you in, would it be a valid tip or could you refuse the warrant because there was no way in hell anybody could have legally gone into your room and looked around."
LittleFaucher

Yes, that would be valid current information that could support a search warrant. You could always sue the guy from prison. :-)

There is a good site that is a must read for anyone concerned about what they would or should do in the event they "contacted" by a police officer. www.potbust.com . It is a site created by a lawyer in Washington state who specializes in pot bust defense.

His number one suggestion: Keep your fucking mouth shut.

[cutty]

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I would pc or boil some water (about 40-50cc),let water cool then scrape the spores in the water with a steril knife.This way your print streches farther.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>I forgot to mention,I also mix up a liquid culture (Dextrose) once I have made the spore water.

[yupster]

BTW:
The lawyer at www.potbust.com tells everyone that you need to consider all email PUBLIC information.
Those of you who email each other may want to get a free hushmail account. It encrypts your email so that you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. (That's a legal concept that may make the difference between certain information being admissible or suppressed)

www.hushmail.com

ive got my first stuff from The Hawks Eye, and will continue to do so until theres a problem, which im sure they'll never be. If i chose someone else first, i would prolly be their lifetime customer, but i chose hawk, and they are AWESOME

nobody is selling spring water syringes, dont worry, there is stuff in there

[Lazlo]

Personally, i don't think popcorn fruits as effeciently as other substrates. WBS or rye berries are far superior than popcorn and are basically prepared the same except, i don't steep (simmer) my wbs or rye. In addition, if you're spawning straw or any other bulk substrates with the grain, wbs and rye gives you better coverage for faster colonization of the bulk subs.

[Lazlo]

Don't tie yourself to the train tracks. Wait for a better and SAFER! opportunity. It's not worth trying to find out if it's a valid tip or not.

If you want syringes that are jam packed with spores I'd have to recommend sporelab. I'm not knocking anyone else's product, it's just I can only get my spores from Captain Max for religious reasons.

Ralphster gets my vote

RalphstersSpores.com

After reading more, seeing peep's grows in the gallery, and coming to understand more of the concepts of this hobby + a little bit of hands on exp. I have seen two diff ways that casings are fruited: the method where you spawn to yur substrate, incubate in darkness, case and incubate in darkness, then patch and intitiate pinning.
Or the people like me that throw it all togetrher and expose to light from day one.
The only problems I can see from my laziness is that I don't get distinct flushes. which means that I'm picking shrooms as they mature and dunking whenever there asre a minimal # of half grown ones. I am also gonna try just hrydrating my casings w/ a few ccs of sterile water from a syringe once every day or two so I don't have to pick pins.
The question: should I move up to the artistic casing method and get nice distinct flushes, dunking in between, or will my yield and success not differ greatly with my above mentioned tek
Also: I'm casing w/ coir, should I really get some lime or is that a biggie w/ coir?
sorry for my length but I need to get these issues straightened out before I start harvesting

I would suggest getting a rent-a-space storage unit

they can come temperature controlled
locket
from closets to full rooms

if you're in a dorm and worried about it

[reefer]

I have tried both of the methods you describe above and I now really prefer to incubate in darkness, case and then patch and expose to light.

My main reason for this is really out of laziness, though. I can't say that I had a noticeable difference in yeild between the two methods. Its just a lot easier to harvest all at once than it is to pick a shroom or two each day. It makes the drying process a lot easier too. I'd rather do it all at once than to always have something drying. Plus if they are all ready at the same time then I don't have to worry about trying to pick one without damaging or destroying any developing pins.

You've got me a little curious about the yeild now. I'll have to do one each way and compare their total weight.

Oh yeah, I don't think lime is too critical with coir although I can't say for sure that it doesn't help. I've never used it myself and I case with a verm/coir mix on top and just verm on the bottom.

[Lazlo]

Coir has a neutral ph balance 7, well the brick form of it. As long as the water you're adding to the coir has a ph around 6-8 there is no need to add lime in my opinion. I use around a tablespoon of bleach per casing. That's for a 14" x 26" pan. I start off with an inch of coir cased on 3 inches of bird seed. I skip the incubation part of cultivating. All of my casings are left in open air, misting accordingly. Don't let them dry out. Each casing will soak up 1/4 to 1/2 a quart of water a day, give or take. Each pan should have alot of drainage holes in the bottom to prevent over watering. In a couple of weeks you will start to see ryzomes peaking through the casing. You can add a little more coir where the threads are peaking through so the rest of the casing can catch up. This will give you a much more even pinset. Soon as you see threads of mycelium covering the casing evenly water the hell out of it and put it in a fruiting chamber of choice.

i cant find coir anywhere so before i buy it online, should i consider using a potting soil mix of sphagnum peat moss, coir, verm, and perlite made by miracle gro? Other ingredients included some nitrogen compounds. I didnt buy it because i wasnt sure whether or not it had plant fertilizers. has anyone else seen this product and or tried it for casing? Also, is there a specific nitrogen compound that bad for mushroom growth. Which fertilizers are bad for fungi?

potting soil mix

Lots of trich in potting soil; as for the rest I have no idea. No pet stores have coir for lizard bedding?

i wasnt sure whether or not it had plant fertilizers

I would be more worried about fungicides they put in it.

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[reefer]

If there is a Petco or any other pet store anywhere near you then you can get some coir there. There are two brands- one is called Forest Bedding and the other is called Eco Earth.

Not sure about the fertilizers, don't think they could help though.

[Lazlo]

You should be able to purchase coco coir at any lawn and garden supplier around. If they do not stock it, ask any associate there and i'm 100% sure they will be able to order it for you. I order mine from a place here in town for $1.95 a brick. A brick makes 5 gallons. As far as the potting soil is concerned, i wouldn't use it without a good pasturization in the oven. And make sure it is fungicide free.

[reefer]

Even if they are illegal in the US, they grow out of the ground EVERYWHERE IN THE US!

Thats like saying that oak trees are illegal.

I understand that it probably wouldn't be a good idea to let convenience stores sell shrooms, but I don't understand why americans are punished for having shrooms.

Probably the most profound experience I had while on shrooms was a band practice where we were all shrooming pretty hard. I looked down and watched my hands as they played my guitar without any guidance or direction from myself. It was so weird. It was like I separated into two entities. One was playing the guitar just as it always did, and the other was just watching in amazement. From then on whenever my band played a show, I just let my concious mind wander while we played. Since I wasn't thinking about what I was doing, I played perfectly. It was almost like breathing, I just did it without having to think about it.

[llama]

"YOU ARE ONE BIG CONTAMINANT"

Always good to remember

[insight]

Just curious if this has been discussed. I have a friend telling me that he has seen it in process. Im sure its possible as a mushroom is 90% water and as long as there is something for it to grasp and nutrients are fed into the water, it would work... no?

[kevinfergo]

I think i will give the karo tek a try. Your asying i would only have to use 1/20th of the print to do this?? so i can get alot out of one print then. And as for the grain jar. I have not tried using grain. BRF jars are all i have done so far. That's why i ws wanting to make miy own syringes. <font color="ff0000">Thx everyone for your input.. you don't know how much you have all heped me so far.
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[mycota]

If you ever decide to expand your spore library. Buy from a top notch source, like TLG. Because you will not get any nasty Surprises

Once you have a new strain syringe, or several in hand. Don’t get excited, make the most of it. That is simply optimizing your chances of success.

Under aseptic conditions, inoculate several differing nutrient mediums. For instance, knock up a few PF style jars, a few rye jars, a few wbs jars, a few perti dishes &amp; as many liquid culture jars - as you have new strains.

The reason for doing so, is simple. It gives you the opportunity to see which is more aggressive &amp; colonizes rapidly on those differing nutrient mediums.

It also gives to the ability to create as much new spawn as you want, from those that appear optimal.

Fully colonized wbs, or rye jars you can G2G @ 20 to 1 rate. Optimal liquid culture can create any number of multiples of hot inoculum you want (10,000 +++ to 1, if you wish).

Patience, patience, patience. In mushroom cultivation, the fast rabbit seldom wins. Most often the turtle does.

Ya just gotta love it when a new strain takes off like the one BELOW: (TLG O/I)

[mycota]

You can grow tons of MYC in liquid culture, but not shrooms. It just doesn't work. If it did, you would find them floating in PONDS &amp; rice paddies...... &amp; my swimming pool would be full of them.

[Lazlo]

That looks very nice. Hopefully my O/I's will do the same. Hey Mycota, how long do you suppose my foaf could stretch his spawn by doing G2G with 6 quarts? And by that i mean, how far could he go with the G2G cloning alone, while maintaining healthy fruiting and potency, making healthy transfers? He has back up with liquid cultures to start new spawn, but would like to keep the G2G going as long as possible, then nocking up new substrates with the liquid culture to replenish the process. Thus keeping the process rolling.

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I understood what you meant. However, condensation on the walls is not an indicator of proper humidity. It is more the product of a couple degrees temperature differential. A good hygrometer is a must. You can get a pre-wired humidistat here.

[mycota]

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Cloning differs from G2G.

With G2G, I go from spores to mother jars of seed/grain, marked G/1.

Set one aside in sealed autoclave bag (plus dark container like a box) &amp; put in fridge.

Next batch G2G is G/2, then G/3, Then G/4. I NEVER GO FURTHER. Otherwise, things start to screw up.

You can stretch it out, be going back to that G/1 jar in the fridge &amp; going again.

What screws up G2G is the myc's age (If unrefriderated &amp; not stalled).

Young healthy myc is aggressive, just like pealpe. The older it gets - the less aggressive &amp; more feeble it gets. Simply because it is getting old &amp; runs on a biological clock.

Liquid culture from spores - or - clone can be stretched a bit further, IMHO. But, it must be refridgerated &amp; stalled between uses, then warmed up to room temp &amp; allow to rejuvinate a few days - before new use.

thnx for the input. Looper you have a unique approach to growing, wish I could leave mine in the open air and do them in a more natural way (ie: lots of dung and straw and messiness
I do like some of your procedures though. I have started to hydrate my casings w/ a h202/water mix similar to what you do w/ the bleach.
since the rest of my procedures have such crappy sterility, I have seen great results w/ liberal use of h202
good, now I don't have to get lime unless I want to start experimenting w/ coffe and other stuff.
My brick of coir is pretty coarse, I think I'm gonna start grinding the stuff a little next time, make it more like peat with a neutral ph, you ever try that Looper? or is yours real fine to begin with?

there are many interesting things in the archives icluding a growlog I found once upon a time that was just verm + nutrient water, forget what kind of nutrients. It worked but the shrooms were small and I don't know how he/she started the process or the intermediate steps. I couldn't even tell you where to look or what to search for I just know its in there somewhere
peace

[Lazlo]

Very nice experiences. One time in place far away, a friend and I made tea with a half z of Hawaiians. At his house he has all these awesome drip paintings that his cousin had made. Some really fantastic art work. We are both dj's so we were spinning some music. We took one shot a piece and then about 20 minutes later we took our last shot. Man i'll tell you that no more than i put the glass down from the last shot the first one hit us both. It felt like his house had turned into one of those funny houses, you know what i mean? The house seemed like it was bouncing around like it was going to lift off and send us to Pluto. I had one of the best dj sets of my life. The whole time i was resting my head on the stand for the turntables talking to myself under my breath, I think. My pal comes in and drags me out of the room and is like CHECK THIS OUT! Man those drip paintings were going the F off. What a hell of a ride!!! Thank you God for these treats.

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[insight]

Thanks all

[insight]

Can a different type of depressent, say Vicodin or Tylenol PM be used to come down or sleep instead of say Xanax?

[perrch01]

Stay away from tylenol pm b/c its bad for the liver, try just regular benadryl, its what sleeping pills are made of anyway. I usually use valium if I need to go to sleep after a trip b/c its nice and gentle but not everyone has access. I also wouldn't go with vicodin b/c it can often cause insomnia sometimes, but whatever works, I would take two benadyrls and see how it does for you.

[perrch01]

I also recently recieved an O/I that performed very poorly while the rest of mine did wonderful, my personal favs though are TLG and Max

[Lazlo]

My bricks work out pretty good when hydrated. I suppose grinding it up a little wouldn't hurt, but i like it to be course for good airation to the substrate. That's the key. Remember that the more exchange of air from the substrate during fruiting is the key to large, healthy shrooms. That's why I skip the incubation part completely. I never have any problems with contams after i put together a casing because of the fresh air that my casings are exposed to all the time. Then after i get good pinning across the casing; into my chamber they go. I'll post pics when the newbies get going.

Thanks shredder, I read through the alcohol extractions and I'm settling for Soliver's Everclear tek, seems simple enough. Pinwasher had problems with his because he used vodka, has anyone else tried soliver's tek exactly? good results?

are there any other methods you suggest using?

thanks!

[Lazlo]

Awesome Rodger!!! I'm going to try to pick one of those up for my tent for sure. Thanks for the link brotha!

[insight]

I have a script of Vicodin, and as you say, they sometimes keep my awake (or alert) rather than drowsy. I wouldnt have thought of bnedryl.

[Lazlo]

So 4 generations is as far as you want to go with G2G period?

Yeah, the temps can vary somewhat, 70- 81 is what I've been getting, and that has sufficed for my set up thus far. And man, I have the el-chepo of all set ups; a flea market tarp and space heater draped between two end tables. Lots of room, and cheap to run. But don't try this at home if you lack the spare time to be there most of the time, possible fire hazard.

[insight]

I have been a dedicated ******** customer. Theres only been one problem and it was instantly corrected. Highly recommended. Good prices and usually specials.

[petri]

Nice link! I got a 30cc adjustable stainless steel and glass syringe gun for $30 at upco. They sell livestock and pet supplies very much like that site, but I could pay cash and never be seen again. My syringe is adjustable, 1/2,1,1 1/2, and 2cc per pull. I have pc'ed and used the shit out of it and it's like brand new! I like working with liquid cultures and just plain tissue clone water, and this syringe is great for it. It also does great with spore syringe making. I would recommend one to anyone.

well, i had pins on my cake, and dunked them, with the pins, it wasnt 100% submerged, the pins were above the surface of the water, and the rest of the cake, was under water. when i took them out, they were almost triple in size. Is this from the abundance of wateR?

If it was from the water, floating a cake on water, and letting that fruit, would that work?

[insight]

It makes one wonder ... I believe it may be possible under the perfect conditions

[Lazlo]

That is exactly why i recommend dunking cakes after the incubation period; before the first flush. Cakes that have been colonizing for a few weeks loose quite a bit water content. Give your new cakes a 24 hr. dunk before the first flush so that it can rehydrate and support a fat flush. Remember, if the water isn't there shrooms can't grow to there full potential = less aborted mushrooms and larger, thicker fruit. Dunk in between every flush to maximize your yields with cakes.

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[kgb]

so i shouldnt use perilte for BRF jars?

great link mycota

what is xanax prescribed for?