general Archive through April 21, 2004

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If there were no WMD, the 'other' justification for war was that "Saddam was brutal to his own people". <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
there were several complex 'justifications',
not just one or two simple excuses.
i think one real reason that never gets mentioned
is that the US Government felt like it had to attack another hostile muslim nation besides afghanastan
to send a message to the radical moslems everywhere, to show that the US was internationalizing the war on terror.
saddam did support terrorism,
he sent money to the families of suicide bombers
saddam did have the knowledge and the ability
to help terrorists to acquire, if not actual WMD, at least training in how to make their own.
saddam was firing on our planes on a daily basis.
saddam tried to kill bush 1.
plenty of good reasons to take him down
and send a clear message of strength to the enemy.

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My extrapolation of what I've seen from the gov't
controlled media is that those US civilian "contractors"
were mostly ex navy-seals on a body guarding / security
detail,
i.e., they're not US soldiers, they're mercenaries,
hired guns.
While what happened is certainly unfortunate, those
guys were hired / paid to undergo certain risks.
If you don't want to get shot, mutilated, and completely
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those 'mercenaries' were guarding a shipment
of food &amp; aid .
the terrorists literally
bit the hand that was feeding them.

I look at it the same way as you look at a crack addict or a herion junkie...you cant help people that dont wanna help themselves.It is pretty apparent to me that the iraqi people dont wanna be helped,so why risk out lives?My brother is over there and ill tell you right now,he writes me telling how little kids throw rocks at them and people yell curse words at him and a couple of months ago he and another soldier had to get medical attention because someone threw a glass bottle at them and it shattered next to them on a wall and cut his face,and the other soldier got it in his eye.Are ther some iraqis that want our help sure there are,just like there are some palastinians who want peace with isreal,but it wont happen because you have to go by the majority and above all.......
We the USA and our allies should come first.

what does it mean to come first ?
i thought that's why we went there,
to put our interests first.
but i'll agree that i see a big problem
with expecting an iraqi army/police
to fight their own people on america's behalf.
that is one resemblance to vietnam i see,
there too
we tried to arm and train a military
that did not really want to fight.
they collapsed shortly after our departure
and i worry that same fate may await in iraq.
i think there is a fatal flaw
in the presence of america in iraq
that prevents the iraqis from acting in their
own best interests
as long as we remain.
i think we should turn over sovereignty
then get the hell out,
not pour in more troops like the democrats are urging.
pouring in more troops and staying longer
is the worst thing we could do long term.
it would be better to get out
and back our interests from afar
by helping friendly iraqi factions

Food and aid...

Yeah, that's what the story says, but I certainly
wonder why Navy Seals were required to guard food and
aid, and why shipments of weapons, political targets, etc.,
never get shot up - it's always food and aid.

Besides, whatever was in the shipment is irrelevant.
The Iraqis have made it pretty clear that they don't
want us around - our food and aid is clearly not
appreciated, if what they did to that particular
shipment can be seen as a hint.

They grow drugs in Venezuela too,
One more reason we should "liberate" that part of
the world instead of those wacky Iraqis.

I think I'll write my Senator...

Soliver

i knew some recruiters to get them to pass when joining the military, they'd drink lots of cranberry juice, and water... lots of it.
then 4 hours before the test, take 2 vit-b pills for color. that's only flushing, good for dip strip tests, a lab could tell it's dilute because of creatine levels.
i bought the wiz'n'ator and it always worked for me, which is similiar to what rodger suggested, you buy lab dehydrated piss in a vial. i stopped using that though and just drank lots of water.

niacin works pretty good too.

"While what happened is certainly unfortunate, those
guys were hired / paid to undergo certain risks.
If you don't want to get shot, mutilated, and completely
fucked up, don't hang around in a hostile country! "

Don't try to justify the mutilation of anybody. That is sick shit. Any person that is humane would agree.

I agree with you and I'm sure that they would too about knowing the risks. They are marked for death for sure but the way in which the dead where treated sickens me.

You'd be stupid to do anything in that country without a gun. Would you go there without one? And yes they are ex-military but that's just another bone to pick with the administration ie we didn't send in a strong enough force so we have to hire many ex soldiers to help out.

I'm fed up with all of it. I'm tired of Bush, I'm tired of the Pentagon fighting half-ass. I wanted to puke last night when the talking head ex-generals said that there were some holy places that we would not go near no matter what. I thought to myself, what the fuck??

And so I keep thinking... what the fuck Bush???

(Message edited by gwsemtex on April 08, 2004)

Mjshroomer,
I want to thank you for the info/FAQs on shroom picking on your website. I live in Tampa florida and travel a decent amount for work to Gainesville and Orlando. There are a whole hell of alot of cow fields along the way. Long story short, I am going picking for the first time in about 10 years because your site got me so excited. I'll post and let you know how things went

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Not trying to justify mutilation - and any humane
person would agree that war in any form is in-humane,
that's why it's called war -
people get killed in often sick and bizzare ways.
But fighting FULL-ass (as opposed to half-assed)
isn't really a solution either.

Iraqis yesterday promised to turn their country into
another Vietnam if we don't get the fuck out.
As you most likely know, Vietnam was perhaps the
most half-assed, armchair general-run war of the
century.

What we need to ask ourselves, and get an honest
answer for is this: Why are we still in Iraq?

I think it's safe to say that we've sent a pretty
strong message to terrorists &amp; thier supporting
nations - except of course for Saudi Arabia, who
can apparently do whatever the fuck they want as
long as they're sitting on the world's largest oil
reserve...

remember, most of the 911 bombers were Saudis.

Saddam is in the bag, so that's done with - what's
left? Ah yes . . . the oil. Halliburton, Bectel
and friends haven't had the opportunity to get
enough of it under American control.

We'll leave when the pumps are economically controlled
by the US if not physically - until then, look forward to
more partial-assed fighting, because there really
isn't anything to fight for that we can admit to
anymore.

The media will keep releasing tidbits about our
boys getting killed so that there will be moral
support for the continued invasion - your anger
and frustration is just what they want to produce
so that more Americans will support the war against...

What were we fighting for? Oh yeah, we were taking
down Saddam . . . I think.

And today Rummy says the rotation of troops OUT of
Iraq will be delayed until they can amass even
more troops than are already there.

That's the outrage, I think, but opinions are like
assholes as they say, and I swore I'd keep out of
these non-shroom related threads... damn this war!

Soliver

If you isn't careful I'll drag you into countless offtopic threads



-damn i had to edit a 1 sentence post :P

(Message edited by gwsemtex on April 08, 2004)

The reason we're still in Iraq, even after Sadaam is gone, is that we don't want another Afghanistan. Years ago we gave the Afghanis weapons when Russia was invading. After they succeeded in preventing a Russian occupation, their country was severely war-torn. We didn't help get them back on their feet and THAT'S why many Afghanis hate us. If you'd like an even larger part of the world to hate us, then I can see believing that the next best move is to leave the Iraqis without a government or effective police force.

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I'm tired of people dying. I'm tired of the US going to war for the wrong reasons. We are pulling punches because we have to be so damn PC. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I suggest not watching the news or reading papers, people always die and always will.
And american military or exmilitary in iraq will die as long as they are in there. You can't stop terrorism, or people fighting for their home/freedom only hope to contain it.

[nerobanchee]

thats really funny, my spanish class is going on a trip there over the summer. my spanish teacher loves that place, i now know why, hehe.

I think BG hit the nail on the head.
Before we got there, lots of folks were dying.
Now folks are still dying but many of them are
American.

The only solution, as I see it, is to invade
Venezuela, confiscate all their drugs and hot women,
make me king and start pumping oil,
after dosing the water supply with MDMA.



sol

More Iraqi police have died than US soldiers...

I'd be careful about venezuela.an all out war in the americas can't be good no matter what the reasons.

yes they are communist,yes they do have oil and produce quite a bit.but they are part of america and place no emminent threat to the U.S. or it's economy.

besides with the iraqi oil supply trading in dollars and not euros(as saddam did sell oil in euros not to long ago to protest israel invading palestine).the U.S economy will not suffer as people think.there is no need to invade another oil producing country to secure the oil trade in dollars.the U.S still has control of the oil trade,which is in my opinion was the major reason the Iraq invasion ever even happenned(Operation Iraqi Liberation O.I.L.)

besides you think it was easy for pissed off extremist to target the U.S from half way around the world,Imagine pissed off extremist from right south of us.pissed off south and central americans or even columbians,now that scares me.

<font color="0000ff">Yummy</font>

[banjojo]

Stay away from aspartame.

not pour in more troops like the democrats are urging.
pouring in more troops and staying longer
is the worst thing we could do long term.
it would be better to get out
and back our interests from afar
by helping friendly iraqi factions


Vietnam all over again...

[banjojo]

"as saddam did sell oil in euros not to long ago to protest israel invading palestine"

Not a very clear message. The European states had just as much to do with the formation of Israel as the US did.

[onetime]

if your a vegitairan your creatine levels would be low any ways plus if you drink 8 tall cups a day like your supossed to then they cant bitch becouse it would be lo also

Damn, Hip! We have more people at the great Metropolis of Mycotopia then the population of my entire town!!!!

I smoke pot all the time. They say it takes about a month to get out of your system. Well, bull. I took and passed a pee test in a time period of three days. Just drink a lot (a LOT) of water and pickle juice. Anything with vinigar will drain ya good!

[onetime]

it stays in your blood longer i though and in your hair and fingernails

<font color="0000ff">Yeah that stuff IS bad, I forgot. /me remembers the Breyer's Butter Pecan in the freezer</font>

yes but the european states don't have control of the oil trade.

if they did the oil would be traded in euros,but it is still traded in dollars.the U.S. economy would surely suffer if it lost it's grip of the oil market.

and the U.S. supports israel more than any other country right now.

[chnop35]

What u up to, Zen?

[imok]

It would be nice to get everyone registered to drop in
and post a howdy just once to a special thread and see
how many individual member posts we could get in one month.
Sort of the first of a yearly Mycotopia census

here is some info to back up my statements,there is a lot out there but this site summarizes things very well.

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=68 70

I myself am trying to prepare for when SHTF.the fall of rome might indeed be near.

I asked Bear about the safety of aspartame and this was his reply. This is from a chemist folks take it for what you will.

"Safer than candy. Number one: phenylketonurosis is one ofhe rarest
malad]ies known, less than one in onehundred thousand, and the
condition is ovbious at birth. Meat of all kinds is loadxed with
phenylalanine, it is an important nurtient. NO amino acids are
'found solo' in nature, so what does this have to do with it?

What you have is the propaganda promulgated by the sugar industry
which has been in convulsions ever since this nice, safe and sweet
protein first was put to market in the late '50s. It is so perfectly
like sugar, in any concentration that it is a perfect sweetener- all
other synthetics taste awful in high concentrations aqnd all have a
bitter after taste. The only dangerous sweetener is saccarin which
is carcinogenic. Aspatame, (Nutrasweet- so mnamed because it is used
as amino acides in the body- thus is a nutrient, although the tinay
amounts used are hardly significant- it is 150 times as sweet as
sugar."

I agree. do it.

northern berry
4500-5500 / lb
ak47
5000 / lb
cindarella 99
3500 / lb


400/ounce of any of them
shitty tex/mex brick is 75/ounce and 20/quarter

around here(upstate NY) good bud goes for $3000-$3500 per pound.We get a 1/4 pound for $900 and it lasts the 2 of us and our visiting friends,about 3 months.Last bag we got had a bud in it that was 30 grams.all fluffy green bud with no seeds,1/2 way through and found only 7 seeds. the last 1/4 came in 2 bags because the buds are so big and fluffy(in a good way).Around harvest time each fall,theres a flood of good stuff that I can pick up for $2000/pound sometimes a little less and then by christmas i see the same bud going for even less because extra xmas funds are needed,then after xmas it goes up i guess because they are broke.Sure i wish it was cheaper,but you gotta pay it or grow it and its easier to buy it.

From http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2004/4/emw11740 0.htm

Area 51 Microbiologist Ready to Talk
Dr. Dan Burisch, who is in lock-down, working with the Lotus project, seeks immunity to stand before a Congressional hearing or other appropriate public body, to disclose his first-hand knowledge, with proof, of U.S. government involvement in designer viruses and other black-ops.

LAS VEGAS, NV USA (PRWEB) April 8 2004 -- Dr. Dan Burisch has first-hand knowledge of the U.S. government's involvement in funding the creation of designer viruses for use in biowarfare and other applications. He is also intimately privy to other covert operations that violate normal standards of human ethics.

Because such involvement could implicate him for war crimes charges, he requests full immunity before making such disclosure. The terms of his agreement prohibit that he should specifically request such an appointment for disclosure. He has stated that if subpoenaed he will disclose what he knows, answering specific questions directly.

By splicing together components of various organisms, microbiologists today are able to create new living organism with specific outcomes, both in terms of target as well as resulting disease.

Burisch stated that microbiologists have a way of encoding their "signature" into the designer DNA they create, whether in short sequences or those long enough to encode an entire virus.

As a possible scenario, for example, the signature could be comprised of a short segment of base-pairs that bear the microbiologists mark in such a way that other microbiologists can see the signature and readily identify it.

Because Burisch does not yet have such disclosure immunity granted, he spoke hypothetically, saying that if there were a microbiologist involved in such activities, that the microbiologist could place his signature on the resulting organism, unbeknownst to those authorizing the project. That signature could then be called forth from all progeny organisms as evidence of the laboratory origin of the organism, and of the exact microbiologist who created the organism.

This would then provide unambiguous proof more telling than finger prints in a crime scene. In this case, such finger prints are placed there intentionally with the intent of providing retrospective proof of the deed.

Burisch would also like to press for disclosure of other matters of which he has first-hand knowledge and evidence.

The revealing of his signature will also prove that Burisch is indeed a Ph.D. level microbiologist -- a title that was erased when he was inducted into his present covert operation. That erasure was so complete that one could hardly find evidence that Danny B Catselas Burisch ever lived if it were not for the Internet and private sharing of documents of evidence. Catselas was his father's last name. He had his name legally changed to Burisch with a recent marriage to a woman by that last name, who is also a principal in the covert operations.

He is presently working on the Lotus project at Area 51 north of Las Vegas, in a secret extra-budget operation under the umbrella direction of a non-elected shadow international governing body that has covert ties to the U.S. government and with extra-terrestrials.

The Lotus project involves studies of what is called a "Ganesh particle" which is capable of repairing damages cells. The Ganesh particle itself, which gives off light, has characteristics of being a living intelligence.

Burisch has witnessed an extra-terrestrial being first-hand at Area 51. That exposure included touch, probing, measuring body function, communication via hand signals.

Burisch is witness to human subjects being held against their will for experimentation per covert treaties between the U.S. government and extra-terrestrial governing bodies. The treaty, called Tau-IX, allows for abduction, removal of blood and reproductive samples and tissue; and does not control whether humans are maimed, tortured or that they might expire.

Burisch does not believe that these activities should be held back from the knowledge of the American and International lay community. His desire for disclosure is shared by others of his colleagues.

There are even those among the directorate who are helping to leak information from inside the covert operations out into public domain.

A primary vector for this disclosure has been taking place on an unmoderated forum at godlikeproducions.com under a thread about Dan Burisch that is now in its fifth volume, with over 10,000 posts in all. There, those on the "inside" of the covert operations ,who are defecting against their obligations to non-disclosure, post information to the forum where it is openly analyzed for authenticity and catalogued.

This forum thread commenced approximately six months ago and recently had been losing momentum due to lack of concrete information. Even with the occasional patch in to Burisch with a web cam, there was no way to prove that the web cam footage was not taken at a prior date.

Those on the forum were not even sure Burisch was actually alive, and that it was him that they were conversing with on these privileged disclosures on rare occasion.

As someone in the know has watched this process, he recently decided to actually let two people from the "outside" have an in-person meeting with Dr. Dan Burisch. Per a request made by a major forum participant, Harry Dschaak (forum name: harrdrawk), an invitation was extended for him and write-in U.S. Presidential Candidate, Sterling D. Allan (forum name: wallrace), to have an in-person meeting with Burisch.

A first attempt was made on April 3. The meeting was to have taken place in front of the UNLV campus Leid library at 10:00 am. The two outsiders were coming in under the cover of being inside directorate. This cover was exposed prior to the meeting when it was determined by security that there were no inside directorate coming into Vegas on the day appointed.

A second and successful attempt took place two days later at another location, where a window of one hour stretched into three as the two outsiders identified themselves with a pass code that only could have been given them from someone trusted on the inside.

On the following day, Allan reported on that encounter with a post to the GLP forum. That was then followed up the next day, April 7, with a leaked message in which Dan Burisch responded point-by-point to Allan's report, as requested by an individual named "J1 (Majesty/Directorate PD/SF, Washington, D.C.)".

The leaking of that document constitutes perhaps the most unambiguous source of information regarding this covert operation that has yet been obtained.

Within minutes of that post being made, the forum went down. But those who intimately watch the forum immediately got on the phone with each other and made a copy of the relevant page and circulated it among their mailing lists.

When asked if this is the biggest development since the forum thread commenced six months ago, Dschaak, Allan's running mate, replied, "No, this is the biggest thing to happen since the JFK assassination. We are on the verge of alien disclosure -- something we have been seeking for decades."

Dschaak is in process of assembling a brief list of questions that should be posed to Burisch in a hearing. Over the past six months, GLP has accumulated a list of key questions to ask based on the intelligence they have been gathering.

-END-

Here's a link to the forum where his supposed colleagues are revealing info at:http://www.godlikeproductions.com/

[chill]

630 accounts have logged in out of 3076 in the last MONTH?!?

Man, I can't go one day without checking in twice never mind going a whole month.

Do I have a problem? I can quit anytime, I just don't want to!

[chill]

It looks like the US has two choices, both bad.

A) pull out quickly. The result is that Irag becomes a radical islamic state like Iran. Sharia law becomes the state law. Now it really is a terrorist country (unlike when Saddam ran it).

B) Stick it out for the long haul until Iraq can become a "democratic" islamic state. Perhaps like Turkey. This is a LONG time. We're talking years.

If the US pulls out too soon then more Americans will die, in large numbers, in terrorist attacks on American soil, later.

If they stay, Americans die in small numbers on a regular basis in a far off land that no one really cares about.

Lose, lose.

They never should have gone in in the first place.