general Archive through May 21, 2004

i just heard from our shirt guy
and our order should ship out monday
from Cal.
so i hope to have them in hand by this time next week.
i think i still owe a couple shirts to some friends, cedargrove - you out there ?
anyone else i owe a shirt to speak up now.

whats the design? not same as last is it?

close
but not quite
see http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/100160/99 583.html?1080260803
scroll down

ooh.. i want some... any longsleeves?

can i send my order in now?

no
and no,
i prefer not to take any orders
until i actually
have shirts in hand.
shouldn't be too much longer...

is there any chance for a mycotopia hat in the future?Maybe a nice fitted ball cap with the sporprint and logo in the front and Mycotopia.net embroidered in the back the way a players name is?But regardless of the design,any hats?

(Message edited by red_lobster on April 11, 2004)

I want some mycotopia socks.

lol
no hats yet.
but i am working on getting some
mycotopia buttons.
you could stick one on a hat...

[noshadows]

very cool.

i placed an order and sent a money order for three shirts.

one for myself, one for cedargrove, and one for mossback.

i received one shirt, so i am thinking we are on the list for two more.

peace.

yep,
that's the one i was looking for.
PM me the address again, plz.

[noshadows]

hip,

i just sent ya a pm

rec'd
as soon as they get here
i'll get it done.

[cedargrove]

sweet!!!!! I cant wait to sport my Myco shirt
at a local club. How many people will recognize
it? Bunches maybe.

Curious to know, what is your opinion on "gawd" or a higher power? Does it exist or have we all just evolved for science? To me its hard to believe what my senses don't tell me. This should be interesting...

to me, god is when I get really stoned and go to the store and buy two candy bars... I eat one and put one in the fridge.. the next day when i wake up and look in the fridge to find to my utter enjoyment a delicious chocolate covered nuget of some kind that i had forgotten about just waiting for me to find... that exact moment is god. lol

fahtster

;) ya me too. On the rare occasion that something good happens I guess you can say god had something to do with it... When I used to use cannabis on a regular basis, i had run out. A few days later I found an ounce in one of my sox when doing laundry. Jaja must have misplaced it. Or maybe when ur with a girl who looks so good its hard to believe the reality. But in any case. More f'd up things happen then good. But wutever, we all will die some day. I just try to make tha best of my time here.

sure, I believe in a higher power and God, if you mean that to be the things we are yet incapable of understanding about this unverise of ours. It's a domain of pure mystery that to ascribe any kind of special knowledge, as many religions do, is just foolishness. People just want an answer for everything it seems, and God is an easy way out. GODDIDIT! What nonsense.

I'm with you silent, I just try to make the best of my time while I'm living and try to help out as much as possible - not for some reward of an after life or out of fear of hell, but because I feel it's the right thing to do.

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the next day when i wake up and look in the fridge to find to my utter enjoyment a delicious chocolate covered nuget of some kind that i had forgotten about just waiting for me to find... that exact moment is god. lol <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

or you open the fridge door to find your girlfriend has already gobbled god up, then i'm like.... GOD!

;) I was askin cuz of the spirtual aspects involved it taking shrooms and other psychedelics. Supposedly it "opens up doors" or whatver, I'm just curious to know about people's "spiritual" experience with this drug. Myabe not neccasarly god... Because got can't be a person anyhow.

Can 'o worms

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Does it exist or have we all just evolved for science?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

What is science anyways... is it something we made up, or something that has always been?

what is real the chair your sitting on or the molecules that it consists of?

[cedargrove]

I believe..........Well, think i'll just leave it at that.

(Message edited by cedargrove on April 20, 2004)

well my experience with shroom is that it allowed me to 'discover' religion. It's why I'm more tolerant of religions than I used to be as a hardcore atheist.

Psychedelic experiences didn't change that, and I'm still an atheist for all intents and purposes, but with the understanding that spirituality is a whole different animal than one which gives rise to religious dogma and fundamentalism.

(Message edited by mikrotaster on April 20, 2004)

[sleestak]

Bhagavad Gita
That is pretty much exactly what I believe.

I believe we are too complex for evolution to have created us as people and what we have without having a helping hand stearing things. However, I don't believe Jesus was the son of God. My opinion was Mary was raped. I'm sorry if that offends anyone, that is not my intention.

Anyway, I feel there never has been any connection between the creator and our world. Any books, stories, beliefs, etc. were created by man. Filtered through the authors rendition, then filtered through years of people who want to believe. And how they want to believe it. The Bible today is edited because People} edited it. Kind of like the movie Stigmata. God is not in thier church any more than he is inside a piece of wood.

You just as well worship Santa clause, Old saint Nick was real just like Jesus was.

But like I said I do believe in a higher power, you just can't put a face on it.

The idea of religion is a great one, however. Like polotics, it's not perfect. There is corruption all over all religions. Everyone sins.

Want to go to heaven? Can you smoke weed in Heaven? can you have sex without being married? can you swear? can you go to the bar get waisted and pass out under a billboard? Can you sin in heaven?

If not, why the hell would you spend your life being a goody tooshoo so you can go to a place to be a goody tooshoo for eternity? Ignoring the fact that the first Bible has just about everyone going to hell for various reasons. To me heaven would be hell. Kind of a twisted joke don't you think?

P.S. Disclaimer, I don't know what I am talking about. I'm probably wrong, and will either fry in hell for my beliefe, or just go to a place were I can get shitty and screw the neighbors daughter and not have to worry about going to heaven.

I'm somewhat of an agnostic. I believe its crazy for humans to think they can figure out the truth about "god" or the creating/existence of man, the Earth and the universe.

[manjotar]

i decided to stop looking for the deeper meaning of things and believe in what is.
i think that "god" is everything and everything is god.
its pretty closeminded of a religious group to think that THEY are the only ones that have it right and everyone else will burn for eternity.
we can save ourselves by saying one simple prayer??
it just doesn't work for me.

i think jesus could have been a real person, a great teacher, an enlightened one. the same with buddha or lao tse, or any of the other great teachers for that matter.
but there really is no reason for me to believe in him with all my heart and trust him to take care of everything. i have to be a good person myself for good things to happen to me.
i enjoy reading the bible at times. it is a very good book, filled with useful information on being a good person.

maybe way back when, jesus was thinking, "you know, not all people are ready to reach enlightenment by themselves. if i just tell them to trust in me and be a good person, then they may turn out all right after all."
maybe the bible is just a guideline for stupid people to act right, because we all know stupid people (people in general), will believe anything.
but i never knew the guy, so who knows...

i just believe that the good things/energy i put out in this life will stick with my energy forever, so i'll just be a good person and i might find my own personal "heaven".

i really don't appreciate people trying to convert me to something. i usually end up telling them my beliefs and it just blows their minds. they don't understand how i can read the bible and yet believe that heaven as a place doesn't exist (to me, heaven is a mindset). or that i can smoke pot, or eat mushrooms, and be just as enlightened as a buddhist monk, or some preacher that went to a ministry college for a few years.
i like to think that they walk away confused, and questioning the point of believing and following an organized religion like sheep.

but everyone must come to their own conclusion, and whats right for one person may not work for someone else. maybe some people can't handle the fact that we are just people spinning around on a rock and thats it. and if they need to believe in a god to go about their daily lives and avoid going crazy, then thats cool with me as long as they don't try to convert me.

some people put their beliefs on a back burner, thinking, "yeah i got saved back in grade school, so i'm good to go to heaven" just so that they can get a career and live their lives.
but i guess not everyone likes to sit around and make up their own beliefs all day.

too bad i am not more articulate, or i could go on for days...

p.s.- i developed all of my beliefs and realizations solely from meditations with mushrooms. they really are the flesh of the gods IMO...

[manjotar]

this is what alex grey says about god...
My daughter said the other day, "God must think it smells down in the sewer.". I thought that was an interesting statement. She said that because God is everywhere, and God is everything, God would be in the stinky places, too. God is the infinite oneness. Oneness, but also infinite. That is the meaning of non-dual. God is love. While we were tripping we thought, "Love is the part of the all that's all of the all." Divine love is infinite and omnipresent, but our experience of it is partial and incomplete from day-to-day. If you have a loved one you have access to the infinitude of divine love.

Even though Buddhists would not use the word God, the non-dual nature of mind, voidness, clarity, and infinite compassion, as described in the Buddhist teachings, is not different than the experience that I call God. Ken Wilber uses the ladder metaphor. There are different rungs, the material realm, the emotional, the mental, then the psychical, and progressively more spiritual hierarchies of states of consciousness and awareness. The highest rungs of the ladder give one the highest context, wherein the entire ladder is seen. The experience of God is the highest rung, and also the entire ladder. That's the transcendent and the immanent aspects of God. God is the beyond and also the manifest world - "the entire field of events and meanings" as Manjushrimitra puts it. One without the other is not the full picture.

Interesting. I once told somone the same thing that god must be everything that is around us. The sky, the water, the sun, the earth and everything that it consists of good or bad. And they told me that my beliefs were pagan. (whatever that's supposed to mean)

And on the aspect of religion, it has to be the most corrupt thing next to many governments that exist and have existed for centuries. More wars have started in the name of religion. Religious leaders rape children. And it is all justified.

I think people use religion as an excuse for their meaningless lives and all the f'd up things that happen to them.

I was thinking about this while walking my dog today.

Looking closely I see that life from one form to another is closely related. The systems of life seem to have a basic order to them. No matter if you are a plant, dog, or human.

Birth Life Death.

Thats when it hit me that pollen is tree cum. All life fucks in some form or fashion to reproduce. All life of course dies.

This, whatever it is holding the similarities together and pushing it forward is God.

"picture a bright blue ball just spinning spinning free. dizzy with possibilities"

lmao @ tree cum

I said this was a can of worms. It bothers me that some of you so casually dismiss God and religion. Silent llello, you cant even define religion, but you mock it.

I have attached Nietzches aphorism "God is Dead". Some of you need to be infinity more mindful of your words and actions.

The madman.- Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!" - As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? - Thus they yelled and laughed. The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him - you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the grave diggers who are burying God? Do we not small nothing yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. "How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us - for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto." Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early", he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the most distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves." It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but: "What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"

god cannot be defined,
and only incompletely described.
god is not religion.
in the universe
and in our selves
we glimpse a reflection of god
at work and play.
we are children of god,
splinters of god,
eyes and hands of god.
divine bit players in god's great drama...
life.

that's my two cents.

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I said this was a can of worms.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
<font color="0000ff">Did someone say castings?</font>

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Some of you need to be infinity more mindful of your words and actions. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

<font color="0000ff">I know you mean well, Disco. We invite self expression and open discussion on all subjects with respect to individuals and the board as a whole.

That said I think this is a good time to quote the Hipster: It's fine to disagree strongly with opinions, ideas, and facts, but always with respect for the other person. Great minds do not always think alike, and that's where the fun is! </font>

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always with respect <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
indeed,
and in a way, i think,
respect was at the heart of disco's intended meaning.
i think he felt that proper respect was not being given to the subject itself.

that's what makes 'respect' such a tricky concept,
as i mentioned recently here.
and it's a delicate balance,
respect for the posters is paramount
but serious discussion requires
respect of the subject too.
i think that's what he meant.
and he was right,
if a bit hard.

<font color="0000ff">From Icaro's DNA website:

So how does one get the message of God to a people who seem to have something far more spectacular and immediate than anything we have to offer ?

Question concerning the Mazatecs and their mushrooms; posed to a young R.E. Schultes by missionary Eunice Pike.</font>

Ya, I don't recall mocking religion but i'm sure I did. Sorry if I offended you. The main reason I started this thread was to see how shrroms could be used spiritually. I know a lot of people value religion etc. But nothing is perfect and I would much rather have my own beliefs.

<font color="0000ff">I hear ya, Hip</font>

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So how does one get the message of God to a people who seem to have something far more spectacular and immediate than anything we have to offer ?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
see, that right there
is where religion rears its' ugly head.
who is a man to claim
he brings the message of god ?
insane ? a liar ? a thief ?
prophet ? priest ? messiah ?
i see a message from god
in a sunset, a flower.
books are from man.


(Message edited by admin on April 21, 2004)

agreed...

I believe that god is our prehistoric image of science. let's say there was a masive flood 1million years ago; the only explanation to an uneducated prehistoric man is "my creator". tell this story around a campfire for thousands of generations and through many changing languages and you have a story that is not so much like the original story. finally; translate a written story from hebrew to latin to greek to french to english and you have the mess titled "the bible". but to me god is mother earth and everything on it....except p diddy

"we glimpse a reflection of god
at work and play."


god does like to play A LOT.
I learned that durring my trip the other night.

[manjotar]

yeah mushrooms really blew the lid off of religion for me.

i prefer to believe in myself these days...

[manjotar]

gw semtex- thats funny cause i was thinking of "throwing stones" while i wrote that post!

and the smell of pollen reminds me of the smell of cum.(strange but true)

we're on the same page buddy!

<font color="0000ff">I think that's exactly what the missionary realized Hip.
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something far more spectacular and immediate than anything we have to offer ?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I didn't experience spirit plants until well into my adult life but having done so opened my mind to greater possibilities than I had thought previously.

Raised suthun' baptist, visiting the episcopalian folks for a time, attending presbyterian for a number of years then finishing off my 'cult' (MY opinion about MY experiences) tour as a full on pentecostal (after which I threw my hands up and practiced non-religion), you might say my choice to experiment with plants and chemicals was a 180 in terms of lifestyle! But I just didn't find the answers, and I no longer knew the questions.

What I 'know': All things are common. There is a vibration and/or, many vibrations present in all things, different frequencies expressions of the same force. The genetic mind (over time influenced by society) makes access to the more complicated (less complicated?) vibrations difficult to achieve. We may go there naturally in dream states, as children and some are fortunate enough to hold on to it into adulthood, many realize it as I did as an adult. But it as a source of connectivity.

What I 'believe': There's a consciousness that inhabits all time, space, energy, matter, form, intent; as well as all non-time, non-space, non-mater, non-energy, non-form, and non-intent. It is the only consciousness that unifies all states of being into one being.

Not to be trite or to over-simplify, my journey is in realizing the frequency(s) and becoming one with the consciousness. You'll forgive me, this is really the first time I've taken the time to verbalize it to this extent. I hesitate even now since people are so quick to form opinions about things they don't/won't/can't understand.

I don't complicate it in fact, its (finally) a very simple concept, one that I am comfortable with.

We (speaking in general terms) no longer follow our genetic purpose. We (humans) have manipulated our existance to the point that we no longer follow our primal blueprint. Ah but I'll save that for another day. </font>

"we no longer follow our primal blueprint"

durring my last trip I went outside on the back deck at about 4 am and let out one small primal yell. I was home again.

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who is a man to claim
he brings the message of god ?
insane ? a liar ? a thief ?
prophet ? priest ?
i see a message from god
in a sunset, a flower.
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Hip said it best. It kind of voids the whole concept of religion. Makes it irelavent. As I read this, I see on MSNBC the police station bombings in Iraq. 40 dead, hundreds wounded. Flip the channel and see the Hammas telling people to blow themselves up to kill others in the name of god. Is that what god wants? maybe? maybe not? like Hip said it's all man made. The literature they believe that makes this right in thier eyes, was man made.


However, with the conversations I have had with many of my past preiests and pastures. That is kind of the point. You show your devotion to something that has never been proven. Only magnifies your devotion. That's great, for thier sake I hope they are right. It's a gamble to me. But like I said in my 1st post. I'd gladly take that gamble just in case, I don't have to suffer through eternity in heaven.

I don't understand, someone please explain to me what Satins motivation would be to get your soul and torture it? Is it one of those, I was here first, now I have torture everyone that comes after me? Not buying it. Sound like heaven is a trap to me.

[noshadows]

you should enter these 50 words into the 50 words contest. it's real good.
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god cannot be defined,
and only incompletely described.
god is not religion.
in the universe
and in our selves
we glimpse a reflection of god
at work and play.
we are children of god,
splinters of god,
eyes and hands of god.
divine bit players in god's great drama...
life. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>}