general Archive through December 03, 2004

This finally convinced my wife that we should move to canada. I have applied for skilled worker status (IT industry for several years now), and as soon as I get the ok, I'm going to go to vancouver and look for work. Anyone need a network engineer in vancouver?

Feel free to PM me with job offers, housing advice etc.

We would have been fucked either way. Neither can
protect us, but I certainly don't feel safer with
Bush in office than Kerry. These people have been
running fear-based propaganda way before we had a
Bush Regime or Clinton Dynasty. Generation of
Fear...look at all your advertising and your TV...
it's all based in fear, it's terrorism that's
legal. I'm sick of getting brainwashed, I'm
taking a break. It'll be interesting to see how
many Americans do the same.

I Voted for bush and im glad he won.

Sorry to anyone who disagrees with me.

I just think even though bush took us to war for the wrong reasons, its already been done.

They already hate us. Their families and sons and daughters hates us also.

We have to finish what we started.

I just think that Kerry is not stable, decisive, and strong enough to lead America in a time like this.

Only my opinion. Not to offend anyone.

Peace

yes i agree kerry wasnt a very good canidate and i bet he wouldnt know what to do in a war but neither does bush. i dont think a change in leader at this time would really make much of a difference. but bush as a person really bugs me. he has no real car for the enviroment, the economy, or the american people. alot of you may disagree but america was worse off after his first term and with his apparent values i just hope im wrong. BTW im glad to hear other oppinions on the subject Tumbz

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yes i agree kerry wasnt a very good canidate and i bet he wouldnt know what to do in a war<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>Last war Kerry was in, it seems he did okay, winning medals and all. Hell, even just surviving seems pretty good to me. What about what Bin Laden said about it being up to us and who we elect, being a factor whether there are more attacks or not?(BTW, just asking opinions) My major worry is that now the majority of congress is now republican, so what Bush and his party wants, Bush and his party will probably get. More Ashcroft, more religious right agendas, banning gay marriage... I sure hope you're a white heterosexual that makes real good money or else I fear things will be getting much worse for you. I will survive, no matter what, but I wish I had something to be optimistic about. May God bless us all!

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Ashcroft will be leaving the Bush administration. Watch and see though, cause I bet he appoints an even more conservative bastard in his place.

This country will morally and socially regress over the next 4 years. I care not about Iraq or terrorism as I believe neither candidate can control those situations, its mostly military and chance. I'm more worried about domestic issues and a conservative republican works against having an open and free mind. Thats what scares me.

As PB said, god bless us all.

i think many of you guys have just bought into the rhetoric too much,
i've seen many presidents come and go
and it's not that big of a deal.
if i could survive 8 years of ronald reagan
i'm confident i can take 8 years of bush.
the air and water was polluted when he got elected the first time,
it'll still be polluted after the next guy leaves office too.
the churches aren't going to take over,
there is no monolithic church in america anyway,
who's going to be running the show-
the methodists or the catholics or maybe the episcopalians ?
come on, be honest,
it's really the southern baptists you're scared of
isn't it ?
but they are a hundred splinter sects,
not a monolith.
i think the danger posed by devout christians
is greatly exaggerated.
most of them really aren't that bad,
most are rational .
people just fear
what they son't know,
what they don't understand.
but don't worry,
no one's going to be
burning witches any time soon.


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Agreed. The church had their chance and ruled for many, many years... Now it's the big dollars and corporations that hold the keys. Those are the ones you should be worried about, money, greed. The religious sects still have clout but not as much anymore as do those with money and power.

When the time comes for us to move on something else will take it's place... then the churches and the powerful corporations will be under some new giant. It's global unification you should fear.

au contraire,
global unification
is our only hope.
the boundaries between people have to be smashed
and a one state world must be forged.
the rule of law and of civil society must be extended to every corner, to every human being.
it is our fragmentation, our division into competing interest groups that has been killing us all these centuries,
only when we finally unite under one government
will war end.

I doubt that. and I doubt that we'd ever be able to completely unify. Going back to the bible, global unification is the sign of the end of times. One world, one money, on interest. While I can see the logical part of this and have some desire, aside from thinking it'll never happen, I fear it because there will always be free thinkers. Uniting that many people into one ideal would be a very bad thing imho.

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Going back to the bible, global unification is the sign of the end of times<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
ever wonder
why ?
perhaps it is what religionists and kings
fear the most,
it would be the end of the mass enslavement of humanity for the benefit of a few.
our species has been in chains since men began to wage war on and oppress those weaker than them.
it was the developement of law that finally began to bring hope to the poor,
but even so the land was divided,
transportation and communication were severely limited so by necessity people were fragmented.
but that is no longer the case,
what good is 160 nations when not one can give its' citizens peace and security ?
why must i live in fear of my brother in china or india ?
why does his making a decent living mean that i cannot ?
it is nation-states that stand in the way of action on global warming or child labor,
it is nation-states that seek weapons with which to intimidate other nation-states,
it is the root of all evil
and so one such nation-state is better than a hundred.
people can unite under good ideals,
like universal civil rights, equal treatment of all races and genders, tolerance for diversity and a general networking for our mutual benefit and the good of all humanity.
a one state world won't come overnight
nor will it cure every evil instantly
but it's coming just as surely as the sunrise,
it's mankind's inevitable historic destiny,
it's what we've been working for
since we learned how to talk to each other.
and it beats the alternatives.

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if i could survive 8 years of ronald reagan
i'm confident i can take 8 years of bush.

Oh yeah, I feel much better now...lol

Going back to the bible, global unification is the sign of the end of times.

Yeah, for the Bible. It is difficult for one to see past one's own demise.

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It is difficult for one to see past one's own demise.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
it doesn't have to be,
one can learn to see a bigger picture.

[philemon]

did you read the Templar revelation?

don't insult my intelligence by bringing up the da vinci code.

'in my father's house are many mansions' john 14:2
also found in the Egyptian book of the dead

'they have taken my lord and i know not where they have lain him' -Mary magdalene

'evil men have killed my beloved and where his body is i know not' -Isis

'come to me all you who are heavy laden, and i will refresh you' -jesus

also found inscribed over the door to an Isis temple...

I don't care all that much, but what makes the nag hammandi texts (which as you can see i didn't quote here) any less legitimate than the canonical gospels? is it because some pope somewhere forgot to burn them?

sorry im having a bad day.

[sleepwalker]

was talking to a rasta knotty dread from jamaica and asked asked about his religion outlooks and he said he worships jah and so i asked who is this jah of yours and he said jahova wich means the god of abraham you know christian and it blew me back a bit cause im christian and so i asked why smoke pot he said it is writen that what ever you make your sacrement is what you make it such as wine.but instead they use pot.not to sure didnt get into exact details but pretty cool that rastas are actually christian at least from what he made me understand.peace......

[philemon]

I've been praying since i can remember. I'd ask people at church and my parents questions like 'if we came from God, where did God come from?'. I'd get answers like 'just because' or 'I dont think anyone can know that'. I'd simply pray and I'd simply know.

when i was eleven I was told by one holding high office in my church that I was to be an interpeter of dreams. My family was present when this was declared so at age eleven I was my family's spiritual guide.

I stopped interperting dreams when I adopted the philosophy that dreams should be taken for what they are and not straight away what they may mean symbolically. I decided that if a dream really was some sort of pressing message to the dreamer they more often knew the meaning already and just wanted to see if i could divine the meaning too.

My church started preaching the idea that one must pray kneeling and using respectful words like "thee and thou". This is about when i started to think the church inwhich i was raised was bullshit.

the only way i prayed and got answers was when i was walking through nature speaking out loud as if to a friend. eventually when i moved to a big city id hold a cell phone to my ear and pray that way so i wouldnt look crazy. sometimes id forget and I'd go under a tunnel and look even crazier...

anyway i guess my dream is take things to a higher level. I want to know more. I want more skill. I've been completely on my own, developing skills in meditation and self hypnosis, lucid dreaming, shamanic dreaming, entheogenic trance. I have a feeling there's people out there who could teach me the things i want to learn... concepts certainly seem to rain into my mind when i pray for answers.. but skills. i want to learn skills. i've been doing so much on my own, but i just dont know where to go from here. I wish i could just live in ancient egypt so i could learn from a real mystery school.. or something! i feel like there's thousands of years of learning and practice from people before me and im trying to make it all for myself from scratch.

thats all i can think of for now..

rock on.
rastas kick ass, i have had some conversations with some on a cruise from florida to the bahamas.

-jasontokes.

Rastas believe the holy land is Ethiopia, Zion. But yes they believe in the bible but intepret it in a different way. Many rastas are vegan as well. Sadly, just as Christians sometimes hold prejudice beliefs so do rastas, which is sad. Not all rastas are, but some are racist, some against homosexuals.....just like christianity, it leaves its laws to live by up to an individual interpretation of the bible and when thats the case there are always bad apples that spoil the bunch.

But yes, its an interesting take on things.

i have DEFINATELY met mean or angry rastas, and they can be VERY mean.

My dream and vision is that one day in this great "free" country of ours marijuana and magic mushrooms will finally be legal!
Peace!

[rio]

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My dream and vision is that one day in this great "free" country of ours marijuana and magic mushrooms will finally be legal!
Peace!<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I want my moment here on earth to be a loving one.

I have visions of two young men laying in the desert in the dead of night. Visions of an unclouded, starry sky and blue canyons carved from the earth. I want to feel dust in my hair and warm wind on my face. I want to explore the farthest reaches of my mind and come back with something meaningful. I have visions of escape and freedom. Of howling coyotes and endless stretches of barren highway.

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I have visions of two young men laying in the desert in the dead of night. Visions of an unclouded, starry sky and blue canyons carved from the earth. I want to feel dust in my hair and warm wind on my face. I want to explore the farthest reaches of my mind and come back with something meaningful. I have visions of escape and freedom. Of howling coyotes and endless stretches of barren highway. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>


cheer up neko, your dreams are easily attainable.
just do it. oh my god, i just quoated nike

i want to glow in the dark and shoot rainbows and flowers out of every orifice at will.
and world peace.


xoxo
polly

[cleanjar]

strange but beautiful culture, the rastafari

i spent some years deep studying their ways

not many/all of them completely know what they are
because it is of course a confused belief..

it is the most pleasing of religions i have studied
even though, like most/all religions make no sense really at all
rastafari, still is a neat but messy one

they worship a man who didnt even really know them
they believe every black man should reside in eithiopia
a stritch diet, which is almost always strayn away from
and the smoking of cannabis as a sacrament, which is not completely required

[rio]

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i want to glow in the dark and shoot rainbows and flowers out of every orifice at will.
and world peace. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

My husband said that in the
middle of the night I told
him I touched a rainbow.
And I said it was
attached to two poles.

[jackpotmonkey]

I want to see a day when every person can truly appreciate the value of those around them, to see the reasons we here do what we do to gain knowledge in the mystical ways of our world and to gain from this a human understanding towards peace in our world. I want to see a day where money is not a object in peoples lives, where all humanity supports and loves its own not for personal gain but for the betterment of all our kind.

[piptoporus]

I'd like to paraphrase 'toaist shredder' :
"your visions of the future are no less real than your memories of the past"

A single nation planet scares the shit out of me. There always has to be someone at the top, and nobody should have that kind of power. You think greedy corporations and extortionists etc. etc. are bad now? Shit man... No person, no group, no party should rule over a planet.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

you're just assuming that the world state i envision would be more of the same we see today
but that ignores a vital fact-
since it has no competing states
it's behavior would be utterly different than any state ever seen before.
there's no reason to fear worldwide justice,
no reason to asssume that human unity means
the loss of individual identity.
it just means that all the trillions we waste on war and spying and trade sanctions would go instead to help people,
that a man who commits a crime in america but then flees to india would still face the same justice,
instead of a bleak drab world
i can see a beautiful nurturing just world government, because a government is made from its' people, and there are plenty of good people capable of leading us to the light.
the internet and global communication/transportation networks are already paving the way,
here we reach past national borders and interact directly with our friends in many nations,
here we see the potential of humanity, what we can do by leap-frogging over our various nation-states and interacting, networking, directly with each other,
and we have already changed the world,
we are in fact uniting it even now
right under their noses and they can't stop us.

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"we are in fact uniting it even now"

Rhetoric.

all speach is rhetoric
so make your point if you have one.

[pskovinsky]

The problem i see with a single government worldwide etc. is that the same people will be running it.
People whos main goal in life is to add some zeros to their bank account.

It would be wonderful if once there weren't any other countries to have wars with, but even inbetween wars, when spending for the military is reletively light, the rich people who already have enough money to last many lifetimes get tax cuts, while the poorer people don't.

"because a government is made from its' people"
OUR goverment is made from our people, and look at it? The people running things don't give the slightest shit about any of us, we are a massless mush of people. As long as we pay our taxes and don't do anything to illegal the goverment ignores us totaly.
We don't really have much of a say as to who runs our country, every four years we have a choice between two people.
We have no choice who those two people are in the slighest, and we know it, the goverment knows it, and They(them, etc.) know it. So every four years we get a choice between an asshat and a shithead. Woo, big choice.

Do you honestly think that if we had a single world government the people running it would be less self centered then our goverment is now?

I don't.

talk about side tracked. WHere will bush take us? Probably another military engagement in some as yet undetermined country, another tax cut, the price of oil will climb dramatically. Oh BTW has no one noticed that wars consume lots of oil? and then there are interruptions in oil production. Whats that do to the price? Oh and who benefits from higher oil prices. Bush and the Saudi Royals. Oh and who was in the only non-military airplanes flying on Sept. 13th, 2001? The list goes on ad infititum. BUsh= War= higher oil prices= bush gets richer.

WHere will bush take us?

Hell in a handbasket is what I say.

"Probably another military engagement in some as yet undetermined country"

I see another war somewhere while Bush is president as a distinct possibility. THAT is when the possibility of a draft would become very real.

the Republican party has played to our fears once again. These spectres have caused the mass to get out and vote, if there is no conspiracy.

maybe a bit of both.

fear that gays may hurt my children or fear that will and grace may move next door

fear that we may suffer another terrorist attack

governed by fear

i see that now and i will have to apologize for puking my guts up on this board.

it is truly a pity that we can be motivated by so much fear tho.

Clinton to Democrats: Work on your image, don't whine

NEW YORK (AP) — Former President Clinton has a message for Democrats inconsolable after President Bush's re-election: Buck up. It's not that bad.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vot e2004/2004-11-06-clinton-election_x.htm

Peace...

[billyboy]

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I Voted for bush and im glad he won.

Sorry to anyone who disagrees with me.

I just think even though bush took us to war for the wrong reasons, its already been done.

They already hate us. Their families and sons and daughters hates us also.

We have to finish what we started.

I just think that Kerry is not stable, decisive, and strong enough to lead America in a time like this.

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What i've noticed is

People wouldnt have reelected his ass if he didnt goto war.

"We have to finish what we started."

Who wrote the rules? Because I dont remember finishing something that was wrong becoming right in the end anywhere.

That's just completing a fuck up making it offical.

- Bill

war is never
right nor wrong,
morality has absolutely nothing to do with war.
we finish it because we must,
or else the enemy will finish it
on his terms.
no one wrote any rules,
that's just the way it is,
the law of the jungle.

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WHere will bush take us? Probably another military engagement in some as yet undetermined country, another tax cut, the price of oil will climb dramatically. Oh BTW has no one noticed that wars consume lots of oil? and then there are interruptions in oil production. Whats that do to the price? Oh and who benefits from higher oil prices. Bush and the Saudi Royals. Oh and who was in the only non-military airplanes flying on Sept. 13th, 2001? The list goes on ad infititum. BUsh= War= higher oil prices= bush gets richer.

WHere will bush take us?

Hell in a handbasket is what I say. <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

can you honestly say
that rhetoric like that
isn't just as much
fear-mongering
as anything bush inc. ever said ?
it's not fear that you really object to,
it's that the people didn't fear
what YOU wanted them to fear.

If I was fear mongering in the post you quoted above, then it is because I AM TRULY SCARED. I'm scared that my kids will have to pay for a huge national debt. I'm scared that some of my personal habits, accepted north of the border, make me a criminal here. I'm scared that bush will appoint judges that will control my wife/daughter's ability to choose what she does with her body. I'm scared their will be a flu epidemic(thx bush for OUTSOURCING our vaccine prduction..talk about nat'l security issues jeesh!) I'm scared that people around the world will view me as a self-centered child (because that is the way our country has been behaving.)

as I said above the list goes on... There are many reasons to be afraid. They are real, not irrational fears. Irrational fear is being scared of a color rating that indicates your personal safety. Irrational is being advised to buy duct tape and poly to seal your home from "chemical/biological weapons". Irrational is looking for WMD where they weren't, and allowing N korea to attain nukes while we sat on our hands and watched.

I love this country, I would die for it(tried to enlist but was declined), and it makes me sick to my stomach to think what the republicans will do with a majority in the house, senate and with Bush at the helm. Goodbye personal freedoom and hello police state.

more fear-mongering
portraying nearly 60 millions americans
as 'irrational' is an awfully easy way
to dodge the real issues, imo.

Hi,
I'm new here. I didn't stumble into any story about self healing or help healing someone else while on 'shrooms yet.
Do you have any good story or advice on how to, any suggested reading or websites?
Well, here's some explanation.
I really want to help my companion who's got an undiagnosed illness since he was a child, meaning that we'll never get help by western medicine, as doctors can't even name what it is exactly or even vaguely... but now, as time passes, I've seen it getting worse, and pretty fast and some new complications are arising too. Now, I don't have money to fly over to some shaman wether it be Mexico or Siberia, we're stuck here (Italy) and I have to do something. I mean, we're not shamans here, but i will try my best.
I before mentioned shrooms because we both did drugs while younger, but quit and we've been like 'sober for six years now (actually we never tripped together) and we decided to do it, but with 'shrooms which seem fine, don't want any synthetic stuff anymore, and now I'm trying to grow them (still at the jars stage)so I'm excited because...it's been sooo looong! But also have concern for his illness and thought to do something 'magic myself, instead of waiting for money to fall from the sky. I had some 'spiritual experiences in my life, meaning with this, contact with spirits and entities, not on drugs and I firmly believe that behind any illness a spirit of sort is hiding, having once experienced contact with one external to myself with which i had a fight. But that one was a peculiar experience and wasn't summoned by me. Maybe it was the urgency of the situation who led me into a state of receptivity and an altered state of mind to quickly help my boyfriend in need (yes, always him).
So I really couldn't tell now where to start from. I suppose that while tripping we could meet entities, or evoke them or something...but how can I do? Stay there and shout 'help'?
Is it enough to start tripping with this in mind and focus and wait for things to happen?
I mean, I can't just ask to anyone who pops out in front of me, can I? Always if I'm able to keep it in mind...
Sorry for all my conjecturing, but it's so much I don't trip I almost forgot how it was and also, I don't know if any of this questioning will help, because i still have to hear some healing reports regarding shroom...and even if there was a way, I'd like to know if you have any suggestion at all, also by simply guessing...
Thanks,
Lupa

http://mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/90369.html? 1089438525

thank you, I'll check the link.
sorry if I ruined the joyful atmosphere a bit, you're all very nice guys, it's just that certain days no matter how you try, you can't help it not making it sound awful.
I guess nobody can really give advice on this, I'll just have to try it myself and at least, if this won't help, in the meanwhile we'll have had a great tripping time!
Just take what you can ;-)

thanks again a lot,
L

[pskovinsky]

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I'm scared that my kids will have to pay for a huge national debt. I'm scared that some of my personal habits, accepted north of the border, make me a criminal here. I'm scared that bush will appoint judges that will control my wife/daughter's ability to choose what she does with her body.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

How are those irrational?
Just because he disagrees with 60 million people doesn't make it irrational. Those 60 million all(or at least most) agree that his(and our) personal habits should be illegal, that abortion is a sin, and are in favor of racking up an even larger national debt.

That doesn't make them irrational either, they have different opinions, but they are (for the most part) rational ones in one way or another.

If a huge debt, laws against what WE ALL DO HERE, and all the rest of that aren't real issues, why are so many people concered about them?
Thats what makes an issue real, people caring about it.

I hear what your saying pskov. I'm all for majority rule, and the majority spoke..( a whole nother discussion.) I think its time I packed my liberal ass up and moved north. I'd love to stay and try to fix things, but there won't be much I can do from a jail cell either.

[pskovinsky]

I've been thinking about the land to the north as well, i have many fears (rational and irrational) as to what is coming during these next four years... bush no longer has to keep the people liking him, he doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected anymore.

eep!

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How are those irrational? <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
you took what i said
the exact opposite way it was meant,
it is bush's supporters that have been portrayed as irrational.
folks keep saying they must either be stupid or crazy to vote for bush.
they are the ones calling folks fears of al qeada irrational.
that was my point.
as for your list of potential grievances,
there are just that
potential, not reality
to get upset, move to another country,
commit suicide because bush won strikes me as far more irrational.
i'll worry about abortion becoming illegal if and when it actually happens,
ditto for the draft
and all the other bogeymen the dems have trotted out to scare folks with this election.
the jobs report just out clearly shows the economy is still growing strong
so i figure we'll grow our way out of the deficit once the war is over and spending subsides.
i saw reagan run up the deficit too
and we not only survive but we prospered
while the communist empire collapsed.
so i'm not scared of that one either.



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laws against what WE ALL DO HERE, and all the rest of that aren't real issues, <!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
the laws you speak of
are not republican nor democrat,
both sides have enforced those laws,
kerry would not have been any different,
clinton imprisoned more drug offenders
than any other president ever
and he was a democrat.
most republicans think the war on drugs
is a big waste of money
better spent elsewhere.


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