life after a bad trip...AND TO TRIP SOME MORE!

[DJTetsu]

I'm once again feeling the need to discuss the unpleasantries of tripping and how to better cope with the things that initially seem like reasons enough to stop tripping.

I'm talking to many people on the chats and though I will often come across those that have never had a bad trip in their lives, I will find an equal number of people who have had bad trips and/or afraid to trip entirely.

With the recent research paper stating all these benefits about mushrooms, that paper would of have been even better with less people who have had anxiety and/or bad trips.

This is nothing new to us. We all have talked/heard about bad trips/anxieties with shrooming and many of us know first hand what that's like. Although all these advanced cultivating techniques are good to know, most of us will gradly accept only 1/10 of our yields if the mushrooms were guaranteed against bad trips/anxieties.

I first want to differentiate between two different types of buggie men that I can catagolize:


Anxiety:

I'm hearing people having anxiety on the way up and also on the way down. I personally get them usually on the way down. This is more of a general annoyed feeling. It's similar to when you're hungry and feels like something is missing, when in fact, nothing is missing (that we know of) and you are just generally grouchy like you've been without sleep. I won't go too much into combating this because i think the solution lies in something biological (you're thristy, need air, etc.)


Now good thing about just having anxiety is that they are less in magnatude compared to bad trips (or what I like to call nagging thoughts).



Nagging bad thoughts/bad trips:

The main (so-called) problem that I want to address. I want to propose several methods/explanations on how to reduce those bad thoughts that seems to keep coming back.


The first view is to view this thing that we fear as something that we are actually indulging in. I have read a zen master talk of Demons that sometimes haunt meditators and he explained that, with careful observation, we actually accelerate into that fear, as if we like it, and in many ways similar to how our thoughts accelerate into our sexual fantasies, or that rush we get out of quickly accelerating our cars. By reducing that fearful thought simply to an indulgence, in his view, we can better navigate away from it.

When I read it it made sense because I related to what he was saying. When a negative thought that I fear comes up, it likes to intensify/magnify and even if that thought is most likely not true, your brain still pursues those thoughts. That thought, I am talkin about, could be anything that gives the bad trip. "My wife is cheating on me", "I am a failure", "My cat is a demon". It's that nagging thought that haunts us in our trips. Our brain either dwells in them, or follows the thoughts (follows the consequences of those statements) that are created by them.

When I read some stuff about endorphins and how fear causes endorphin release, I made the connection, and thought that maybe it can be true what he said scientifically.

*these two paragraphs aren't mine, but are from some pages when i researched fear/pain with endorphins

"Ever hear friends say they like being scared? Whether you're watching a horror movie with your hand over your eyes or feeling a rush of wind in your hair as you plummet down a steep incline on a roller coaster, fear causes endorphin release. Why do you think extreme sports are so popular? No one wants to get hurt; it's just fun (in a twisted kind of way) to cheat death."

"Diet, exercise, and general wellbeing control the production of endorphins, but stress and pain trigger their release. Examples: eating spicy foods (your mind believes your mouth is on fire and supplies some natural morphine), having charging sex (that sudden giddy feeling, or those painless pin pricks in your brain), or stubbing your toe (pain again). Endorphins cause "runner's high", a release which occurs due to necessary pain alleviation in stressed muscles. Why would a natural analgesic occur during something as pleasurable as sex? Invigorating sex is exertion, and therefore causes the same release. Intense pleasure also relates to pain; women often have the same extroverted, and chemical, reactions in child birth as they do during sex"

Some neurologist may smack me upside the head for trying to draw conclusions when I;m far from a phD but... it can help, for some (for me it did) to reduce this thing that we are so afraid of into, just a chemical reaction your brain wants to entrain itself. Thinking this way refrains you from indulging in all the thoughts that follow your thoughts like "I see dead people" or "I'm going to hell for cheating on my taxes". You won't be as curious as what those thoughts mean if you knew why they were being produced.

Who knows if the above is true. But there is some truth that if you are able to reduce it to something simple as a craving, you can help yourself by thinking, ok, maybe it's not as serious or maybe it's not likely that this is true. The bottom line is: whether this reduction has helped you.

This alone maybe adequate, but let me also go on to explain other things in regards to our nagging friends. YOu may still feel like you are cursed and still feel frustrated and maybe asking, "why do some people never have this, and why do I have to fight these boogie men (or why do i Have to work at trying to reduce them to a craving)?" Let's just look back at those sentences and simply examine the emotional response: frustration/impatience/partial anger. WHen these thoughts pop up, it's best not to respond with any strong emotions. Now this is probably easier said than done. The best way is to replace it with a new thought that contains happiness/serenity/peace. If your brain wants to think(move) rather than just repeat those words, yOu may want to be creative at following where those words/thoughts take you (ie "what exactly does it mean to be happy?" "What does the ultimate of the ultimate joy feel like?", "what does it mean to have infinite compassion?). Either way, nothing too fast. Gracefully. Easy does it.

...But then the nagging thought comes back, and you find yourself frustrated all over again. Well now we explore a new dimension: Patience.

If you are not patient you will be frustrated and if you are patient it won't matter how long these nagging thoughts come back. Will they keep coming back? Do you fear this? Now it's time for a paradigm shift.

Mushroom Mystical experiences usually include ego detachment (detaching from our physical selves) and being with god, gods, or the universe (depending on how you want to experience it). They say this will ultimately let us feel ulitmate joy and understand what is infinite compassion, or the ultimate pinacle of everything. If you are saying "I don't like to be patient", you are still trying to hold on to the currency of time. The experienced mushroom tripper will often talk of respecting the mushroom or the trip, and that means to humble yourself. By bowing before GOD, he lets you through the gates of heaven, so to speak. So to humble yourself, it's better to say "thank you for the opportunity to test my patience" and "only by exercising patience can I become more patient"




So trippers who have nagging thoughts, you are truly blessed, for you have the opportunity to better yourself though your struggles.

Some people never have it, so they call their trips Beautiful.

But for us, it is a Beautiful Struggle. Even better.

Only through struggles will you have capacity for greater rewards (I just came up with that). It may be said that we are more sensitive, but may also mean capable of greater and wider understanding... of all things...




HAPPY TRIPPING.

BTW I wrote this a while back when i was stoned.. and right now I just edited as I'm coming down from my trip. I had a really good trip may i add.

[manjotar]

amen to that, thought loops are bad news.
the best way to break out of them IMO is to eat more...

[mycobri]

Actually that might be a good solution to break a loop ...just eat more.

I have to say everyone i have ever eaten with has had either loops or strong dejavu. why is time such an issue with tryptamines?

[rocketman]

um, id say eat less....get comfortable at a dose then push up from there. the more experience you have the better you are able to control your experience. i have eaten waaay to many shrooms many times and paid for it with harsh trips. i use to never go below 5g no matter what, now i really enjoy 2g trips alot more than going deeper. laughing and smiling is often needed more than some sought after life changing discovery. dmt via ayahuasca is very similar in making one face thier demons. just know going in you may have to look at yourself hard and long. even during the uncomfortable trips, i still learned.

Your mind is always concentrating on something

I have had recent success with just straight thinking better thoughts
i also like to have at least 6 hours of entertainment lined up, just in case i freak, i can sit and watch something else move, other than the freaky thoughts i can conjure in my own juiced up brain

the best method i have is to abstain from doing them until everything in my life seems situated.. Whats the point of doing mushrooms when there are a million things higher on the priorety list (thats usually my problem, coupled with the feeling that im drunk and in need of a hole to hide in, but i really need to be cleaning the house)

Also the shamans of old used to abstain from all kinds of other chemical stuff (tobacco, sugars caffiene) before they tripped, i think this would help the overall feeling of a trip. Im sure a few days abstaining and several mediatation sessions before hand would greatly increase the silence in your mind and allow for a nice calm level of thinking.

I also seem fidgety because i can see how mortal i am.
also i second the small dosing..

[spyker]

If U look in the research article , quite a percentage had bad trips. BUT in the long term, the percentage that thought it was a profound positive expereince was bigger that the percentage that initially had a good trip, which means that some stiill found positive value in the "bad trip" in retrospect.

Not all bad trips are bad, the fungi acts as a catalyst for life, stripping the filters of learned perception away and can bring many underlying subconcious issues to the surface. It can be painful or uncomfortable to face these but in the end the net result of the experience is just up to the attitude of the one envolved and his/her openess to engagement of the learning of their lessons in life. Sometimes the mushroom can bring a demon out that was there inside lurking all along. Time to be sober and aware, pray and confront the negative "spirit" within, have no fear and iron out with light and love.

I see the spirit of rage that took up residence in me along time ago..this is an example, I might get anxious about this when other states,focusing on it and thus giving it space to manifest in, making me trip out bad! Or I could meditate on it in this state and focus on the space around it, identifying its facets fllowing back to iron it out, understand it so it can be gone from the root. Its a process I'm still on.

Fear is a big enemy when tripping, though u need a little bit, like healthy respect. Faith and trust in all that is, is a HUGE ally as are focus and calm. If you're tripping the light fantastic and you start focusing on the "bad you" and the snowball starts rolling. STOP> Just for a moment, close you eyes, count to ten, still with you eyes closed force yourself to smile, let some of the light shine back on U. Silently say thank you. No matter for what nor to who, and GIVE IN to the peace. Let the trip take you forward and dont be scared to learn about yourself.

[DJTetsu]

Originally Posted by DaGoon

Your mind is always concentrating on something
the best method i have is to abstain from doing them until everything in my life seems situated.. Whats the point of doing mushrooms when there are a million things higher on the priorety list (thats usually my problem, coupled with the feeling that im drunk and in need of a hole to hide in, but i really need to be cleaning the house)

Also the shamans of old used to abstain from all kinds of other chemical stuff (tobacco, sugars caffiene) before they tripped, i think this would help the overall feeling of a trip. Im sure a few days abstaining and several mediatation sessions before hand would greatly increase the silence in your mind and allow for a nice calm level of thinking.

I aslo used to refrain from shrooming until everything was in the clear, but lately I've been getting a bit more comfortable with it even while things are not all perfect. I guess it depends on how comfortable you are.

I do recall a trip or two when I purposely went in with issues, but I knew what I was getting into, and had an idea what my mentality should be. It's sort of liking praying to God to take away your burdens (I'm not religious but sometimes I need to talk like that to explain myself). You don't want to go in with anger/frustration/resentment. Instead you must be willing to accept fault, willing to forgive, willing to show patience and compassion.

So you can trip with problems, but you need to go in with a (very) humbling attitude. ..and your way works too.

I also used to make a lot of preparation before the trip, like clean up my room and take care of whatever that needs to get done. That good feeling you get after you just cleaned was (is) a good feeling to take with you on your trip. I think rituals are good, and with enough ritual practices from my previous trips, I've been able to go with less and less of them.

Originally Posted by spyker

Fear is a big enemy when tripping, though u need a little bit, like healthy respect. Faith and trust in all that is, is a HUGE ally as are focus and calm. If you're tripping the light fantastic and you start focusing on the "bad you" and the snowball starts rolling. STOP> Just for a moment, close you eyes, count to ten, still with you eyes closed force yourself to smile, let some of the light shine back on U. Silently say thank you. No matter for what nor to who, and GIVE IN to the peace. Let the trip take you forward and dont be scared to learn about yourself.

.. and may I add: while minimizing your emotional response. If you do this and if you are frustrated/impatient, it will do little good.

.. and that's another interesting aspect. Even with trying to make your thoughts into more positive ones, I think there additional dimensions:
How much effort is put in doing so, and how quickly you are trying. You can't too hastely say, "i'm thinking positive, i'm thinking positive!". This is a bit hard to explain, but it's a lot to do with patience, and your amount of effort should be just enough so that it feels like it is naturally occuring.

As I write this, i realize how identical meditation and tripping are. I do like low doses too, where it's a mid point between a trip and meditating. THere is an effort to sustain that focused mindstate, and also there is an effort in trying to cultivate wholesome thoughts. I say effort, but all in all, it's mostly good times!

[nomoreusmc]

I don't know if this helps but when I trip I just let go and let everything happen. If you fight it, it will fight back. If you are ment to see dark images, so be it. A dark trip is pretty cool every now and again. If you just let go and fully experiance your trip I don't think you'd have the anxity/paranioa. AAlways trip in a safe place, never drive, and don't be scared/aprehensive, or it will be a self fufilling prophacy. Just my .02

[phalanx]

Have your life on a positive track before tripping, although lots of unconcious bad shit can still come to the surface. At least trips make you more aware of your problems so you are encouraged to go and sort them out. A bad trip appears to be simply a reflection of yourself and your life mainly.

[dizzydank]

last time i tripped i ate a half ounce of hillbillies and let me say i was fucking terrified and paranoid. really fucked with my head. that was about a month ago but lat monday i ate a 1/2 eight and had a wonderful experience. good to be out of the bad trip rut.

[DJTetsu]

Ok, I thought about this today on the road and I'm ready to challenge some commonly held beliefs about bad trips.

I've always liked the saying that if you have a bad trip that maybe perhaps you life isn't quite in order, you had issues, or the mushrooms are trying to tell you something. Believing in these things can in fact result in less bad trips, since you have a healthy amount of respect and fear for what you are getting into.

But is it all superstition? And we are trying to connect the dots where they aren't as closely related as we believe?

My analogy that I came up with is when people get into car accidents. People may say it was Karma, your destiny, or god's will or what not, but really, it was for no other reason than you didn't know how to drive, or more accurately, you were'nt careful enough.

I would like to offer a possibility that maybe we are empowering the mushrooms or our current circumstances for the quality of our trips when the fact is... we should be better and more careful 'drivers'

We need to be careful obviously because in the tripping or meditative mind state, our minds are very sensitive. Many of us know that when we are tripping and we are seeing or thinking something, our mind sort of skips the 'authenticating process' and instead more easily believes that what it sees is real.

I don't like the statement that you should ride out that bad trip either. I think we have or should have more control. Now as I mentioned earlier, you shouldn't 'fight' the bad trip, but very easily, almost effortlessly replace them with positive thoughts and without creating a negative emotional response. You can read above to see the details on that.

Counting to 10 and smiling... I think these are more of the helpful types of advice.

The reasons why I think these things is that no one ever told me when I shouldn't be meditating. I guess I'm at the same time challenging that they are similar.

If the mushrooms are indeed trying to tell us something, yes, it all comes down to we need to be more patiently loving (read above why I think patience is important). Going in with a positive, humbling attitude also helps (and I think that's why some myths get passed on).

BTW if it sounds like I'm reducing the trip to an objective science or maybe that I'm not tripping deep enough, believe me... I've had many trips where I'm tearing as I realize and believe in the beauty of it all.

[infinity]

Originally Posted by DaGoon

Also the shamans of old used to abstain from all kinds of other chemical stuff (tobacco, sugars caffiene) before they tripped, i think this would help the overall feeling of a trip. Im sure a few days abstaining and several mediatation sessions before hand would greatly increase the silence in your mind and allow for a nice calm level of thinking.

Just to let you know, there are all sorts of shamans that heal with different plants. The shamans down in south america that use ayahuasca also use gwayusa (south american tea that contains high levels of caffine and causes halucinations with high doses) and mopacho (wild grown tobacco that has 18 times more nicotine than the tobacco grown here and also causes halucinations under high doses) both are used with ayahuasca regardless of the beta carbolines. Some of them love to get drunk during a ceremony.

[I_am_me]

Originally Posted by DJTetsu

Ok, I thought about this today on the road and I'm ready to challenge some commonly held beliefs about bad trips.

I've always liked the saying that if you have a bad trip that maybe perhaps you life isn't quite in order, you had issues, or the mushrooms are trying to tell you something. Believing in these things can in fact result in less bad trips, since you have a healthy amount of respect and fear for what you are getting into.

But is it all superstition? And we are trying to connect the dots where they aren't as closely related as we believe?

My analogy that I came up with is when people get into car accidents. People may say it was Karma, your destiny, or god's will or what not, but really, it was for no other reason than you didn't know how to drive, or more accurately, you were'nt careful enough.

I would like to offer a possibility that maybe we are empowering the mushrooms or our current circumstances for the quality of our trips when the fact is... we should be better and more careful 'drivers'

We need to be careful obviously because in the tripping or meditative mind state, our minds are very sensitive. Many of us know that when we are tripping and we are seeing or thinking something, our mind sort of skips the 'authenticating process' and instead more easily believes that what it sees is real.

I don't like the statement that you should ride out that bad trip either. I think we have or should have more control. Now as I mentioned earlier, you shouldn't 'fight' the bad trip, but very easily, almost effortlessly replace them with positive thoughts and without creating a negative emotional response. You can read above to see the details on that.

Counting to 10 and smiling... I think these are more of the helpful types of advice.

The reasons why I think these things is that no one ever told me when I shouldn't be meditating. I guess I'm at the same time challenging that they are similar.

If the mushrooms are indeed trying to tell us something, yes, it all comes down to we need to be more patiently loving (read above why I think patience is important). Going in with a positive, humbling attitude also helps (and I think that's why some myths get passed on).

BTW if it sounds like I'm reducing the trip to an objective science or maybe that I'm not tripping deep enough, believe me... I've had many trips where I'm tearing as I realize and believe in the beauty of it all.

It seems to me that many bad trips come on because of fears and anxieties about things that were already there before the drugs were ingested. Sometimes this isn't true though like when certain events spark a bad trip. I think the key to handling these things is that realizing that when you're tripping you're still living in the real world and bad things are a part of that world. I find the beauty in sadness, pain and sorrow. I guess maybe beauty isn't the right word. I think it is more of an accepting and respectful understanding of why bad things have to exist/occur in life. As long as you're accepting, understand and respectful of these dark thoughts they won't get the best of you. I've been able to let go of a good bit of anxiety and fear in my life because of the thoughts I've confronted and made peace with while having intense trips. Even things like getting paranoid or stuck in some crazy thought loop. You always learn about yourself and as long as you understand there is never any true reason to panic, not even in the face of death, you can probably keep a cool head while tripping out. Then again I've tripped shrooms and lsd hundreds and hundreds of times and in very high doses and I can't say that I've ever had a "bad" trip. Sure have been put through the ringer quite a few times.

[TVCasualty]

i've found that when anxiety manifests at the beginning of a trip, it means there is either an unresolved issue bouncing around in my head that might intensify as the trip progresses (get worse) or it's just a heavy body load affecting my thoughts and will pass soon. If anxiety occurs at/near the end it's almost always been a blood-sugar crash and probably some dehydration. A spoon of honey or some fruit juice (and a glass of water) almost instantly wipes out negative thoughts/irritability after the peak has subsided. That, and smoking a bowl.

If a trip gets dark or depressing it means I either failed to do my 'homework' from a previous trip or I've been neglecting some sort of psychological maintenance that I'd better resolve before I eat them again (my new 'homework' assignment). If I have a lousy trip because I'm focusing on my house being messy, and I don't clean it up before tripping again, then the next trip is much much worse as far as obsessing about the unresolved issue goes. I should add that my trips often have negative elements (fear, paranoia, depression, etc) but they never dominate an entire experience. Sometimes the trip ebbs and flows from great to shitty to great again.

The analogy I use for tripping is surfing; it's riding a huge, powerful force that I can't possibly control but that I can align myself with. I can sense it changing directions, and I can't stop that change, but I can make small adjustments of setting or set (eating honey to stop a sugar crash, for example) that allow me to continue enjoying the ride. Changing the music (or turning it off...or on if there was none), adjusting the lighting, moving (even if that means simply going into another room), smoking a bowl, going outside (or inside), or whatever else comes to mind can all alter the nature of the trip if it goes somewhere undesireable. Did I mention smoking a bowl? Good...this is my 420th post, so that's what I be doin'.

[Horus XCIII]

I've never experienced the true horrific, traumatic bad trips some people talk about. But I have had some difficult/anxious trips; generally I eat more of them . . . I know that this sounds contradictory, but eating more puts me to a higher level. One time I had a bowl of them sitting in front of me, and started getting anxious, so I just kept popping them, eating them like they were a food. Seems to work for me when I get stuck in thought loops; not sure if it would help a really bad trip though.

[infinity]

It also depends on the context of your trip also.

I never really had a good trip except for one time when I took 300 miligrams of 5thp, 3 grams of syrian rue and 3.1 grams of dried fungi powdered with a bunch of hash. A friend of mine had the same dose that I did and we laid down in my room around 9:00 p.m. and let it take us away. We both woke up at 11:11 p.m. and talked about it for hours because we learned so much. That was great, because it was spiritual and I felt happy. Later on I realized that we only tripped for 2 hours before we woke up from the obe, no wonder when I opened my eyes and stood up, I saw the universe all around me!

I am not a happy person though, so my trips tend to be nuetral with spiritual intent. I am very grounded and I dont tend to act funny while in that territory. I tend to let go of this game that I call my life, let go of my memories, and learn from the consciousness of existence.

Anyway, so when taken with a spiritual context, I dont really have good trips, because they are serious, they are manifested for healing my mind and body. The most enlightening experience I had on the little guys was when I was in a really bad mood as it was. I learned something about consciousness that I will never forget, and the pain I endured is all worth it.

[PeopleCanFly]

i talked about this few times in old threads and in chat with Dj Tetsu and i have a difficulty to overcome it

the beginning of a trip makes me anxious a lot ! and this refrains me from pushing the dose up .... i never really go over 0.5 grams dried cuz of this i think

i get an intense body load when the shrooms kicks in .. i feel my head spin a bit and feels ligth , my mouth gets dry and i get a feeling of a sticky troath wich feels a bit like struggling feeling and it affects my breathing a bit and all of this gets me anxious

i had a LSD trip once... 10-12 hours after a rave party with speed and E ... so it's an error for me to have found LSD and take it cuz i was really tripping balls too much with only one hit .. first time i had real visuals in my life .. seeing clolors and everything was fuzzy and vibrating and continuously moving , stopped feeling my body , stopped being able to talk , or even think , stopped being able to move , was hearing , seeing , feeling things that wasn''t explainable ( im really grounded and scientific thinker ) i was kinda freakin out really thinking bout my breath ... can i stop breathing if i dont think of it? lol.... but after the peak i really enjoyed the LSD and wanted to start again when the trip ended lol

and i had a few body feelings that i dont want to live again and looks like when im on shrooms the only little hint of a feeling i felt this nigth it makes me feeling it and freaks me out cuz i been highly feared from those feelings in the LSD trip..

is there a way to lessen the body buzz/feelings a bit? the way of eating them ? eating more??

maybe if i dose higher at once ill go over the feelings n'stuff and just reach a point where i wont care bout my body anymore and just trip ... but im a bit scared of it... since the LSD im a complete wuss with psychedelics lol

i dont get the thinking loops at the doses i take but all those advices are looking good ! this thread rocks

i just want to get rid of the body load that annoy me .. you would say that i i get the anxiety by rolling the toughts from my previous body feelings but when your physically altered it's hard to go over the thougths ...

[DJTetsu]

Originally Posted by PeopleCanFly

i had a few body feelings that i dont want to live again and looks like when im on shrooms the only little hint of a feeling i felt this nigth it makes me feeling it and freaks me out cuz i been highly feared from those feelings in the LSD trip..

is there a way to lessen the body buzz/feelings a bit? the way of eating them ? eating more??

maybe if i dose higher at once ill go over the feelings n'stuff and just reach a point where i wont care bout my body anymore and just trip ... but im a bit scared of it... since the LSD im a complete wuss with psychedelics lol

i dont get the thinking loops at the doses i take but all those advices are looking good ! this thread rocks

i just want to get rid of the body load that annoy me .. you would say that i i get the anxiety by rolling the toughts from my previous body feelings but when your physically altered it's hard to go over the thougths ...

Hey there pcf!

Now you're gonna get mixed suggestions on whether or not to increase the dosage, and I think in your case you'll hear a lot of ppl suggesting more since you sound like you just need to get over that hump (the body high) that brings back fear from your previous LSD trip.

But me personally I always suggest lower dosage, and heck I'm starting to suggest the 'barely there' dosage like 1g so that we can slowly crawl back in to it.

and here's the real suggestion, if not a bit personal. I've chatted with u often and along with reading your reply on this thread, I get the hint that maybe you are trying too hard, being too hasty with dealing with it, and more importantly, your emotional response (fear/panic) seems immense. I suggest taking a step back and say, ok, this is a bit of an over reaction. People have tripped off shrooms and many of those ppl are still with us today. So instead of blowing it up, reduce it just something your brain wants to entertain itself with (it wants to watch a horror flick, but you gotta say, SO WHAT). But what is also important is you can't expect instant results or a quick fix. Trying to react too quickly will worsen it. You gotta go in with the attitude that it won't be the end of the world if this happens, or heck it won't be so bad if this happens... and believe that if you are continuing to put in the effort, you are developing mental control, along with a bit more patience. ... and that is the real solution.

I also recommend practicing meditation. Again, a low dose and going for that state in between a trip and meditation is my prescription for you.

[apokalypse]

Very informative thread

I always get the ramp-up anxiety, a couple of times I've worried about someone coming to the door from us making too much noise (live in an apartment) from the tv or talking/laughing, but I usually distract myself by looking back to the tv and away from the door, or watching clouds float by the moon outside ahaha.

PCF: if you think you can take more worry-free, you can take more. If you aren't ready mentally to venture down the road, nobody will change that but yourself. Mushrooms are a very mental trip, best to do it with a clear mind. Yoda said, "You must unlearn what you have learned." You can only do when you are ready.

[InsidiousDecrepancy]

I had a pretty nasty thought loop on my last trip because I couldn't remember how to spell sychedelics or find a way to find out how to spell it. I was rubbing my face in agony as I tried to use every brain cell in my head to spell the godamn word lol.

[lucysmiling]

I agree with what you guys are saying about patience. Its seems in my life, thats the whole learning experience for me. Im always wanting something, and once i achieve or obtain that wanting, the cycle happens again. There always seems to be something that i want. Luckly i 'stalk' my thinking, and say, 'hey i should be thankful and grateful for what i have'

I havent shroomed in 6 months, and i have been trying impeccably to get some. I havent had a piece of ass in years, luckly now im finally getting some! Like i say though, patience is truley a virtue.

This thread was very inspiring and has truley lifted me. Hopefully i can hold on and remember, and stop trying to want so much. Before experiencing the mushroom, i was a very materlistic person, its been a total 360 ever since... I have learned that i really want to just experience and learn. I have just started drumming and am going to read the english dictionary a few times and get thee english language down pretty well.

I cant wait till i shroom again! Its seriously what drives me. I have been playing the drums for a couple months sober, and then i finally obtained some ganja and walla! I learned how to play in a single day of being high, more than an entire month of playing sober.

Though back to the subject of eating mushies and bad trips. All i have gotten was loop holes and extreme anxiety to the point where i thought i was going to die....well i actually almost did die. I ate 5 grms of cubensis and 2 grms of syrain rue once upon a time, not knowing the power of this combination, i went to the snowy mountains and got lost...long story, but i obviously made it, and i thought the whole time when i was peaking that i had gotten frost bite in my feet. I was afraid of wandering further, cause i would get even further lost, so i was just pacing back and forth in the blizzard saying to myself 'my god, you did it this time!' there was a I-thou dialogue going on at the time. One of them was very negative saying that i fucked up my life and i would never get out of this mess. The other, was positive and hopeful. The other kept on saying run across this river and go beyond, and there will be a road. My 'reason' was like 'no way! that river will kill me if i go across, from hyperthermia.' Haha, wow what a trip!

Thats why im going to study up on language, i wish i could explain things like TM or someone along those lines.

But i get anxiety everytime i consume these drugs. I havent gotten into meditation, lack of patience on my part. I sit down for 15 minutes, and i get bored and have to move around or something. Patience truley is a HUGE lesson in my life. Everything is always trying to teach me more patience

later

[lucysmiling]

i dont like having a serious mood evertime i trip. Its all about experiences for me, and im a goofball. I like making people laugh, and so thats what i act out. It entertains me, when i can catch a glimpse of someones expression. Some of my best shroom trips, years ago, even when i think about them today i laugh, and give thanks to the mushroom. Sometimes sitting there laughing for 8 hours literally. Those were truley the most healing, and remembering experiences. When everything becomes funny, and you laugh with everything that is happening. Every song, sound, visual, comes at a perfect timing. Truley marvelous to witness such an event. Though the mushroom gives you alot of control. When im tripping i can go from laughing to crying instantly.

[joey_megabucks]

I've had some nasty trips on dose that blew my mind and caused me to have severe psychotic reactions that lasted for months. Since that one big trip (that should be in the archives), I have tripped many times at much smaller doses but continue to have the hellish experiences everytime, especially when at festivals or shows. One time alone I felt the love and the light. Other than that, I get nothing but darkness.
Mushrooms are a different story. I have only had one "bad" trip that was a result of fear because I inadvertantly ate 30 grams or so dried in tea and was totally and completely unprepared for the experience.

[nicholas]

At some point early last year, I had my last trip. I had some life issues that came up unexpectedly and I foolishly thought that tripping would take my mind off of them. I was hoping for a good trip.

During the comeup, I felt the tingly/buzzing body feeling and all was well, but in my mind I was starting to die. All of my thoughts became the chattering of insects. Too much was happening too fast, I couldn't think without being overwhelmed by a cacophony of noise. The noise drowned out all thoughts, I eventually ceased to understand simple words and symbols. Luckily, meditation saved my ass and for the remainder of my time all I could do was sit quietly and do absolutely nothing. I took small comfort with the cessation of thought. It was very difficult and hurt like hell. I wasn't right for quite some time.

I'd say, I felt a lot of guilt and anger before the trip. I thought that I had resolved things on a personal level when I had just hid it in the back of my mind. It wasn't my first bad trip, but it was my last time using mushrooms. I still haven't resolved my issues but when I do, I'd like to return to my old friend and have that good trip I've been waiting for.

[cheech]

i've read all the posts in this thread and i'd guess most of you who posted about the bad times tripping are young. well young compared to me, i'm 52. i get the feeling from a few that you feel that you HAVE to trip for some reason. to gain knowlege, to see the pretty colors, to explore your insides, to explore the outside.
if you feel that the mushroom is giving you a bad time my advice is not to eat more. to me that seems like "i'm gonna keep hitting myself on the head until the pain stops". these sacred plants are not for everyone and any learning you feel you may miss out on can be found elsewhere. these plants must be treated with respect. you are not going to triumph over the mushroom by repeated attempts trying to force it to give you what you want.
leave it alone for a while. if it calls to you in a year or ten years then answer. but only if it calls you, not if you hear your own voice echoing back from the mushroom.
trippin' can be a lot of fun but if you find that it's not there's no reason to continue just now. give it time and if/when the time's right you will know.