Shrooms HURT

[Doctor D]

This is gonna be a long one. My apologies in advance, I hate having to read long, verbose posts myself and usually try shorten mine wherever possible, but as a trip report I think the normal rules of brevity can be relaxed a little. THANK YOU to all who stick it out and read the whole thing.

I ground up 7.5 grams of dried EQ, simmered for 15 minutes, strained, then added one packet of Swiss Miss. There was a mild shroomy undertaste, but it mixed with the chocolate quite nicely. I drank it down, and waited. I haven't shroomed hardly at all this year, so this one should technically be the most I've ever eaten with the least amount of tolerance ever.

Fifteen minutes, I felt the first waves of the magic come on slowly. I turned off all the lights in the house, grabbed my Built to Spill CDs in the downstairs player (I really wanted to hear these particular CDs), and went upstairs to my bedroom. On the way up, I stepped out to the car to get the rest of my CDs. I wanted to be prepared and have all my CDs in one location so that I didn't spend countless hours while shrooming frustrated because I couldn't find a particular CD (this happens way too often). So I get up to my bedroom, and lay down on the bed.

Especially while drinking tea when the come-on has usually been very fast, I like to lay down in bed so I can maximize my use of the visions I get as the trip builds. Usually I see vast red, green, and purple landscapes in my head. Amazing things that wash over my awareness. Then they will freeze frame and double back on themselves, causing an "echo" of the vision, if you will. These will last for a moment, and in the past, I've been visited by an alien insectoid creature made up of a myriad of psychedelic swirls. He bobs and sways in my vision for a few minutes, communicating in his high-pitched buzzing language, then eventually disappears and makes way for the regular variety of paisley psychedelic swirls covering my field of vision (or whatever you call what appears to be right in front of your eyes when your eyes are closed).

The purple, red, and green landscapes came on as expected. Subtly, they came up slowly and I waited eagerly for what was to follow. Right before they built up to the point where I say, "Oh yeah, now here comes the good stuff!"... they began to recede. They receded as quickly as they had begun, leaving me with nothing.

'What the hell??'

'Where the hell is my trip? Are my shrooms weak AGAIN? What is going on here?' I felt perfectly lucid, not at all shrooming in the least. My visions had left me completely. I assumed that my shrooms had lost their magic from being left over in their baggies so long (about 3 months). I felt cheated, resigned to spend my night tossing and turning in another weak shroom trip when I was trying to go for broke. I lied back down on the bed, resigned to my fate.

Again, there was a faint green and purple stirring in my mind's eye. 'What was this?' I thought to myself as the shrooms appeared to fight to make a comeback. Maybe I'm not done after all. Maybe they are telling me that I am expecting too much out of my trips. That if I leave my expectations behind and allow what happens to just happen, everything will go as it should. I feel the shrooms coming on again, and feel thankful to the alien insectoid shroom god (who did not deign to show his presence to me this time) for allowing my trip to come back.

At this point, I realized that I hadn't put any music on yet. I searched for my Built to Spill CDs, but couldn't find them. (I had brought up all my CDs so that I was prepared for the night, and in doing so lost the two CDs I had actually wanted to listen to.) I settled for the Flaming Lips. At this point, while I was still clear in my head is when I should have looked for the Built to Spill CDs but unfortunately I didn't and consequently spent alternating periods during my trip trying to retrace my path looking for the CDs.

Okay, that was the come-up. The next couple hours went somewhat uneventfully, just a nice enjoyable shroom. About two hours into the shroom, however, I had to piss. I went to the bathroom to urinate, dribbled a few drops before I realized that NO! I can't pee now! This means I'm peaking! If I piss now I will lose it. Sure enough, I was peaking and I did lose a bit of my trip from those few drops, but nothing significant.

I went back to my room, fighting the urges to urinate whenever the urge came up. I began to notice how sore my lower back felt (I've been having back difficulty lately). I kept tossing and turning on the bed, unable to find a comfortable position. Eventually, my back aching and the need to pee wore me down, and I urinated. The visuals weren't that significant anyhow (amazing, considering how I ate 7.5 grams).

At some point here, I made my way outside. I don't smoke anymore, but I thought about having a cigarette and so I just went outside like I was about to smoke. It was about 2 o'clock in the morning, and the entire neighbourhood was silent. Lying on my back (again), the cold rough pavement felt like heaven against it. I thanked Lumbar, whoever he was, for giving us the supports he gives to us who need it. (yes I really had this thought, but back to the story)

The sky was very interesting - half the sky was enveloped in dark, thick cloud cover. The visible half moon shone brightly through this cloud cover, illuminating it in a mysterious way. The rest of the sky was cloud free, and filled with stars. For a few minutes, I observed it was dead silent. Every small noise, every house creak in the neighborhood carried for a great distance. I began to hear faint flying noises in the sky, bats or birds flying above me. It was incredible. I couldn't see what they were, I just heard them flying. The noise sounded similar to the "helicopters" I sometimes hear (I love/hate those!) but it only happened several times and I could hear the direction of the flying, so there definitely something flying up there, and it wasn't just a hallucination. After about 20 minutes, someones air conditioner kicked on, destroying the peaceful serenity I felt. I went back inside to lie on my bed once more.

As I lay on the bed, I began to feel my fingers go numb. It was interesting that this happened, because I haven't felt 'ghost' sensations on a shroom in quite a long time. (I always felt this was a type of synesthesia, and welcome it whenever I get it) I took this as a good sign that my tolerance was finally getting to normal levels, or that I'd just eaten a lot of shrooms, or both. My back continued to ache, and I continued to have to pee (and peed as often as I needed to). I began to urinate so much that my dick burned. At least, it felt like it was burning.

As a matter of fact, my whole BODY ached and burned to get rid of the psilocybin. It felt as if my brain said 'Whoa, too much foreign chemical! You may enjoy this feeling but I think it's bizarre and wish you would stop subjecting me to this!'. I had to remind myself that every burning sensation, every bit of numbness, even my bache aches could not be taken for face value. It is simply impossible to determine what is a real sensation and what isn't until AFTER the shroom is over. So with in mind, I put in a Pavement CD, Crooked Rain. (Still couldn't find the Built to Spill CDs I wanted)

But Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain was more than adequate for my purpose. One of my absolute favorite CDs, and I enjoy singing to it. I lied down on the hard floor, both to comfort my back and secondly, to force the usage of my diaphragm in singing (wannabe singers take note - don't know if you sing with your diaphragm? Sing on your back). I spent the rest of the trip there lying on the floor, singing my heart out. Screaming the bits that needed screaming. I sang my voice raw, and now I can hardly talk. Ahh, but it was pure bliss. I enjoyed every bit of it.

So that was it. I didn't get the visions I used to get on the come-up. I postulate that the more I shroom, the more my body learns to deal with the psilocybin and the less of those cool effects I will receive. (I miss so much the Aztec patterns and the geometric kaleidoscope visions I used to get.) A great deal of my trip was about PAIN. Physical pain, all over. Pain in my back, pain my shoulders. My hands were numb, and when they weren't, they hurt too. It felt as if every cell in my body was on fire. Mushrooms can do incredible things. So careful with those high doses! It's difficult to tell what sensations are real and what isn't. As soon as I came down, I took some ibuprofen for my aching back, but not until I was sufficiently in my right mind to understand what I was doing.

Once again, and interesting trip. Not what I expected. But then, it never is.

[Hippie3]

i'd say the pain was real,
the shrooms just brought it into your awareness,
it's there all the time
but suppressed -
i'd take some pain killers before dosing large again

[Doctor D]

Yes, I'm inclined to agree. I also notice that my muscles all over my body tense up in funny ways. I suspect this contributed to the sense of muscle soreness I felt.

Definitely will take some painkillers prior next time, or at least set aside a measured dose to take when I feel the pain.

[floppypeter]

FOAF took 2 shot glasses full of everclear/cubensis extract back to back. A booze lightwireght, that combined with an empty stomach left him with one of the most euphoric trips ever. No pain.

Sometimes when very tired and run down his body starts to ache. Muscles, joints, my hair etc. wierd.

Where you well rested and in good health before the trip ?

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by floppypeter

Where you well rested and in good health before the trip ?

I was well rested and I'm in the best shape I've been in in years. Apart from the back problem. And that IS where most of my problems resided...

The burning during urination is easily dismissed as peeing too damn much. The only pain that I can't explain away was the pain in my hands. (You could argue that the hand pain was a result of my back problems, but my problems were lower back, not upper.)

Hippie's right, though. The pains were probably always there; they just became much more noticeable during the trip.

[psilospy]

Originally Posted by Doctor D

I've been visited by an alien insectoid creature made up of a myriad of psychedelic swirls. He bobs and sways in my vision for a few minutes, communicating in his high-pitched buzzing language, then eventually disappears and makes way for the regular variety of paisley psychedelic swirls covering my field of vision (or whatever you call what appears to be right in front of your eyes when your eyes are closed).

Ive never seen any insect-type creature, but once while meditating(on shrooms) i was overwhelmed by light (CEV) and heard a very distinctive high pitch buzz that became incredibly loud. It knocked me out of my trance, and kinda scared me. It sounded like typical electrical noise only way louder.

good stuff, thanx for sharing

[scoutmaster]

I too have had intense pains/sickness on occasion that has come and gone during the duration of a shroom trip. One time when i ate 3.5 grams syrian rue and 3.5 grams cubensis I had intense cramping in my legs, in addition great amounts of sinus pressure and my right ear popped painfully. These symptoms luckily disappeared on the comedown. Yet another time I felt very ill, feverish, I was super hot to the touch and had cold sweats. This was accompanied by intense abdominal cramps in addition to a painful feeling in my groin, which felt like a hernia or something. Again these symptoms disappeared as the trip dwindled. It sucks but strangely I feel much better after the trip is done, as if I detoxed or something. Also, I have shroomed for a year now and have been sick way less than I have in past years, probably coincidence...

[infinity]

I had something very similar happen to me years back.

I had a stomache cramp, but I couldnt tell that it was a stomache cramp until the mushrooms were wearing off. During the experience, I had the cosmic consciousness. Beyond visions and beyond form. Just god, with no speration between the son and the father (if that makes any sense). Well, a stomache cramp kicked in and I felt like my entire body was poisoned. It felt like that for about 2 hours, it tricked me into ego death actually, because I had ego death before, and I knew that I was going to experience ego death, but I didn't think that I was going to live through that feeling, so I died and upgraded to god consciousness. Of course when the drug wore of, I came back as me, but still felt sick. Then, the second I had a sweet drink, it focused me and my body started to distinguish the seperation of pleasure and pain. The I felt normal except for my stomache.

Maybe that will help you understand what happned.

[infinity]

One other thing that I will say about it is that when I first felt the pain, the whole room was in pain. My awareness blended in with the entire room. and when I started to feel pain, the whole room was hurting, so I thought that the room was suffering. Then, as the experience got weaker and wore off, the pain started to get more focused, until it was just me hurting and I could no longer feel the whole room. Of course when the pain was focused on just my body and no longer the room, the intensity increased and it hurt even worse.

So yea, experiencing ego death twice in one session was really crazy. Once from the shrooms, and once because the pain tricked me into thinking that I was really going to die afterwards. Suffice to say, I was humbled.

[Seee]

HAIL LUMBAR!!

hey we have similar tastes in music...
and weird: ive never felt a decrease in my trip
from tinkling

[omentheduck]

with a little research i with draw that statement , I am srry to hear bout your tiring trip!

[oibchip]

Originally Posted by infinity

Suffice to say, I was humbled.

[anti-oedipus]

Shrooms are like a box of chocolates ...

[mycobrain]

Originally Posted by floppypeter

FOAF took 2 shot glasses full of everclear/cubensis extract back to back. my hair etc. wierd.

Thought it was FOAF?

[TVCasualty]

They are obviously close friends. When his foaf is having body-load issues, he can tell because his own hair starts to hurt. My hair hurts too when my foaf is having a rough trip; I thought that happened to everyone?

[floppypeter]

hahahahahah

yall are funny

the pain may be from microtoxins that can be produced when growing shroomsght be painful i can see how tripping while processing these toxins might be painful


http://forums.mycotopia.net/photo-ga...nated-wbs.html (Re-Using contaminated WBS)

[feralronin]

Anyone else have to shave before they trip? I know it sounds weird but if I trip and I haven't shaved in a day or two or longer, it actually starts to get really annoying. Kinda itchy. And as soon as it starts and I rub it once, its all over. Now I am a clean cut tripper.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by Seee

HAIL LUMBAR!!

hey we have similar tastes in music...
and weird: ive never felt a decrease in my trip
from tinkling

You don't get an overwhelming urge to urinate when your visuals are at their peak? I have noticed that my first urge to pee on shrooms and peak visuals are directly related.

This urge to pee is actually not due to a full bladder, though. I think it is my mind/body playing tricks on me. If I wait it out, the sensation goes away for a while before my mind tries it again. It's as if my body is trying to get rid of the psilocin.

I do have a tendency to dose high (7 grams or so), and I used to take SUPER-massive doses, which I think may have overly-sensitized me to psilocin to the point where my body wants nothing to do with it anymore. :-\

[anti-oedipus]

Originally Posted by feralronin

Anyone else have to shave before they trip? I know it sounds weird but if I trip and I haven't shaved in a day or two or longer, it actually starts to get really annoying. Kinda itchy. And as soon as it starts and I rub it once, its all over. Now I am a clean cut tripper.

Yup! In real life i'm a real slob. Dont get out of my pyjamas most days. But when i trip not only do i have to shave, i have to bath, shower, brush and floss, trim my nails and put on crisp clean clothing (or none). i respects a clean cut tripper.

[seedlessstinky1-4u]

thats when you know you're trippin BALLS, when your groin starts to hurt. how about that. nahhhh, i've kinda noticed that when i shroom the more i pee, the less i feel the effects. I have grown a great respect for mushrooms the past few months....powerful little buggers. Very Nice.

[apear]

Did you ever find the cd's you were looking for?

This is when having an IPOD is awesome.

[Shroomette]

Definitely a great thread. I was wondering the effects the shrooms have on you in high doses. thanks so much for sharing your experience with us. I'll just stick with the low doses not saying it's all bad but, guess it's just me and this stupid illness I'm dealing with as always I'll enjoy the trips to free myself from this crazy world we live in. For all you extreme trippers good luck.

[thomash]

a good friend of mine from way back was tripping heavily on shrooms and went on a shaving frenzy which included balls.

he really regretted it the day after. he had a funny walk for a few days.

[Doctor D]

Apear: yes, I found the CDs. Right where I left them, in plain site. Not sure trying to work that iPod dial would be any better for me!

Shroomette: I'm pretty sure most of the pain that I felt, sensations of numbness, etc., were due to pre-existing conditions just amplified by the mushrooms, as Hippie suggested. Just about all of the negative symptoms I felt were felt again by me at a later date while sober, so I was able to rule out mushrooms as the cause. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't blame the shrooms for my uncomfortable trip?

Originally Posted by thomash

a good friend of mine from way back was tripping heavily on shrooms and went on a shaving frenzy which included balls.

he really regretted it the day after. he had a funny walk for a few days.

[Psychedelic Monkey]

I like how I look in the mirror with a few days beard when I'm tripping balls.

Anyone else get massively dilated pupils when they're tripping? Sometimes I wonder if it's a hallucination or if they've really grown so monstrously huge.

<PsM>

[seedlessstinky1-4u]

ohh yeah my brothers pupils get effing ginourmous! mine get bigger, but nothing like my brothers. wow, his get nickel sized.

[DjDizzy]

Originally Posted by Psychedelic Monkey

I like how I look in the mirror with a few days beard when I'm tripping balls.

Anyone else get massively dilated pupils when they're tripping? Sometimes I wonder if it's a hallucination or if they've really grown so monstrously huge.

<PsM>

pupil dilation i've always assumed depends on how hard you're tripping.

mdma/mda makes my iris practically nonexistant but that's probably because when i roll i like to roll hard. i remember one time 6 years ago (yes, i still remember it) i was in a grocery store with a friend and we had eaten a few rolls and we were trying to find gatorade and this big muscled stocking guy who worked there looked me in the eyes and asked if we needed help finding anything, he got a scared look on his face and walked away real quick without a word. we figured he probably went to get the cops or some such, so we made it quick and left. i've noticed dilated pupils from a large number of chemicals - mescaline, mda, mdma, 5meo-dpt, lsd, dob, shrooms, 2ci, probably forgotten a few more in there, anyway it just depends on how much i take. i guess my eyes are biggest when i roll because i like to roll real hard, but then again cid makes me dilated as a mother too. last cid trip i remember looking in the mirror when i began to come down and noticed my pupils still pretty big after the 14 hour mark.

but on a more post-related topic, i've felt uncomfortable, borderline painful amount of bodyload from a large number of tryptamines. shrooms definitely do carry a bodyload once you cross a certain line with dosing. if its really painful, i recommend benzos as opposed to painkillers, it will loosen up your muscles but the only downside is that it will take the edge off the trip also. that is a definite downside unless you're having a bad trip.

[DjDizzy]

but on a more post-related topic, i've felt uncomfortable, borderline painful amount of bodyload from a high dose of shrooms before. so shrooms definitely do carry a bodyload once you cross a certain line with dosing. if its really painful, i recommend benzos as opposed to painkillers, it will loosen up your muscles but the only downside is that it will take the edge off the trip also. that is a definite downside unless you're having a bad trip. i've had VERY painful bodyload from high dose of foxy before, alot of tryptamines can carry a bodyload. acid does too but it's different for me acid's bodyload can be mentally controlled and focused, just like eye twitches/jaw clenching in a roll - can be controlled and focused.