Additives + Mushrooms?

[cheshire]

hey there

was just wondering as i seem to see quite alot of ppl talking about their experiences with
shrooms and the things they take with to make the trip more up/down watever

so what is it you like to take with your trip and why? coco, oj, kratom, poppy, etc?

[mycobri]

i usually wash them down with a few beers
and maybe roll a doob to bring along

on less lively nights - just green tea

once salvia was smoked after the peak and that was an intense combination

i heard kratom and shrooms have a nice synergy,
so that will be next

[Doc Chi]

Originally Posted by cheshire

hey there
was just wondering as i seem to see quite alot of ppl talking about their experiences with
shrooms and the things they take with to make the trip more up/down watever
so what is it you like to take with your trip and why? coco, oj, kratom, poppy, etc?

Hi: I am buzzed, there is moon out and with the heat I can't get drunk or sleep, just tripping.
I would have to go with Passion Flower, it's some thing that I can grow and it grows well where I live. Never liked giving my money to dealer Mc Dope. Shroom's and a MAO work well together, Passion Flower containing harmala alkaloids a mix of MAOI's.

[cheshire]

are MAOI's harmful to people when taking with mushrooms?
i see so many warnings of taking them with xtc etc but never with rooms

and with poppy seeds, can u use the ones u find in shops and what effect does it have??

MAOIs can be taken with shrooms
its harmful if you eat the food in the 'do not eat food list'
and some other stuff

[cheshire]

so a glass of not chocolate but coca, like the one they mix into making chocolate cake in small doses, is cool?

yeah i think you should avoid DARK chocolate
milk chocolate and the others is okay
i ended up eating some food not allowed in the list the next morning and i had a slight headache for a couple of hours or so
just be careful not too much of anything
my friends go on a chicken and rice diet for 3 days
hehe

[BuckarooBanzai]

Choclolate (in any form, including cocoa) is an incredibly mild MAOI and it's affect on shroom trips has been debated ad nauseum with no clear winner as to "more potent/less potent" from what I've read. Chocolate has no significant impact other than placebo IMHO.

If you want to play with MAOIs, you need to do the reading, cause some combinations of food with them can send you to the hospital with a raging blood pressure headache.

I think just eating more mushies is far more effective than eating them with MAOIs (the MAOI trips are different, too).

Personally, I've always felt that the salad approach was far more effective than the megadose approach.

For me, I like to start with wome kind of speed, generally caffeine/ephedrine/ginsing energy cocktails are good. Booze gernally finds it's way into the mix, generally good beer, but sometimes scotch or wine.

The herb is ever present, preferably of the mondo dank kind, though sometimes I'll end up smoking barely a bowl and other nights I can easily finish a quarter.

Personally, I like some Amanitas with any trip, in sundry amounts, depending on the voyage intensity I'm looking for.

Valium is kept on hand to smoothe the rough spots and smear out the comedown.

Salvia is very handy for those infamous little "I want a ton more right now but don't want to eat another two grams and be up 6 more hours" desires.

Nitrous is also fantastic to jack the experience up a notch without having to commit to eating another big dose.

Once in a blue moon, the DMT pipe will come out, but that evil fucker tends to stay locked in his box.

And sex at the end before crash time is pretty much a requisite for any good psychedelic experience.

Basically, I like to eat a little bit of just about everything and then a bit more of each or the other as the evening develops...

[Doc Chi]

Originally Posted by cheshire

are MAOI's harmful to people when taking with mushrooms?
i see so many warnings of taking them with xtc etc but never with rooms
and with poppy seeds, can u use the ones u find in shops and what effect does it have??

Hi; I'm fucked up!
Yes and no, there is what is know as the aged cheese effect in some people. Their body's can't brake down tryamine with their own body's MAO and they have a reaction much like a person that can't handle MSG.
MAO = monamine oxidase, it brakes down the amine group on compounds like 5HT, dopamine, histamine and others. DMT like compounds are broken down by MAO's. By taking a MAOI's one can prolong the half live DMT like compounds in the brain. But you run the risk of the old aged cheese effect in some people by using them.

[cheshire]

thnx bonzai, pretty much the opinion of ppl i was looking for

i really like ginsing at the begining or during the trip if its one of those fun explore trips
dont like to delve into alchohol or weed during the trip as it numbs the thoughts for me

weed at the end of trips skyrockets me to a place high above the clouds that pretty much exceeds explanation
was just thinking that perhaps an MAOI would do as you so well put it "I want a ton more right now but don't want to eat another two grams and be up 6 more hours"

so perhars salvia is the thing i need to go for? im not a fan of salvia tho
would like to highten the spiritual effect of the high without causing body effects

when i was reffering to chocolate i ment coca, like as in a really pure form chocolate so that it doesnt even taste anything like chocolate

perhaps poppy cud be fun? still no clue how that helps

[BuckarooBanzai]

Poppies are a narcotic - stone cold body high. Nice stuff, but not if you are trying to avoid body high!

Quick amplifiers are Salvia, Nitrous Oxide and bong hits of really good weed. Inhalants like Amyls or Rush work for some folks, but others hate them.

Meditation and fasting do wonders for some folks, others like to pound a twelve pack...

[jt007m]

Originally Posted by Doc Chi

Passion Flower containing harmala alkaloids a mix of MAOI's.

Hey Doc... Which species of Passiflora are you talking about?

I have one locally grown in TX that's purple/blue flowers on a vine. It's suppose to make a light sedative tea, but I've never felt the effects....

Or do you mean the more tropical ones that bare fruit?

[Doc Chi]

Originally Posted by jt007m

Hey Doc... Which species of Passiflora are you talking about?
I have one locally grown in TX that's purple/blue flowers on a vine. It's suppose to make a light sedative tea, but I've never felt the effects....
Or do you mean the more tropical ones that bare fruit?

Hi: The sun has been up for a bit now and I'm feeling better now. The blue white light of a moons night can mess with my mind at times. You start to see things, may be.
As for what kind of Passion Flower it is I really don't know. I got the seeds back when I was in Jr High. They were on a fence that had the vine growing on it and the owner let me take some seed pods home. It's been growing in my families yard on a fence since the early mid 60's. I was told it was a natural old world plant and it was named by the prist because it looked like the passion of christ to them, with the cross thing going on in its center. Nothing to to do with the fruit. i got to go now my friend, well she needs to post her stores now.

[Myc]

I normally take some passion flower extract with my doses. I'll usually take some passion flower capsules earlier in the day as well. The herb definately changes the character of the journey.

[cheshire]

Originally Posted by Myc

I normally take some passion flower extract with my doses. I'll usually take some passion flower capsules earlier in the day as well. The herb definately changes the character of the journey.

in what way?


any1 here take yerba mate? how does that effect a high? any significance?
or kratom tea? know in small doses brings euphoria and a high which is good

[Hippie3]

yerbaadam is a big fan of yerba,
drop him a pm.

[cheshire]

ty

[golly]

Imo To feel any MAOI potentiation from Passionflower would require a strong dose that would really sedate the trip..You may still be drowsy the following day..
The Kratom/mush combo really takes the nervous edge out of the shroom come up + counteracts the yawning, sleepy feeling in the early stage..
It does not really increase the strength of the mush dose though..
Too much kratom would be quite unpleasant though [nausea]...

[cheshire]

would like some kratom then.. get that enxiety feeling before it hits and dont feel settled

think i should maybe test out a couple of things and do a write up

[Myc]

Originally Posted by cheshire

in what way?

I find that the passionflower takes the "edge" or tension out of the buzz. I usually take a dose of two droppers full (the dropper tube included with the extract bottle) but I'm kinda weird in this way. I am very "hard headed" when it comes to psychoactives and take a pretty heavy dose to achieve the effects realized by other people at much smaller doses. I've rarely seen full blown hallucinations (i.e. things that simply don't exist, faces morphing into aliens, spiritual beings--God) and normally only see patterns and shifting shapes at high doses. However, when it comes to other substances like herbs, medications, marijuana, etc... I am a lightweight (except when it comes to opiates--but that's another ugly chapter in my history not to be revisited). That being said, the passionflower has a very noticeable effect on my trips. I do experience a strong feeling of sedation and can become quite lethargic but I really enjoy this type of experience. I recommend experimenting in moderation and see what works for you. I was kinda surprised to find another person who knows about and uses passionflower (Doc Chi) so I thought I'd chime in for what it's worth.

[Hippie3]

hey myc
ever tried ayahuasca ?
if you really want visuals
that, & its' sister DMT -
are the way.

[Myc]

Originally Posted by Hippie3

hey myc
ever tried ayahuasca ?
if you really want visuals
that, & its' sister DMT -
are the way.

Wow, thanks for the tip. I've never considered these before. Given my experience with Salvia, I've been pretty gun-shy about experimenting with unknowns.
I assume you mean using them-one or the other- by themselves.

[orchid]

i tend to enjoy mdma with shrooms when at concerts. tool was spectacular durring their lateralus tour on those two substances although i must admit it can get a bit confusing

[cheshire]

wonder what shrooms then waiting some time then having dmt would be like..

think either dmt would override or you would get smacked back the fuck down

[rocketman]

There are definite similarities between oral dmt and shrooms. I think smoked dmt would totally over ride any trip temporarily.

[orchid]

we can speculate all we want, but there is only one way to find out! light it up baby!

[TVCasualty]

About a tenth of a gram or two of Ginkgo biloba taken about 30 minutes before eating the mushrooms does me very well.

Ginkgo increases blood/oxygen flow to the brain, and I have read reports (I can't confirm with scientific literature yet, still looking) that it's a mild MAOI. My personal experiences with it confirm some kind of qualitative difference in the trip...

Cayenne pepper taken at the same time doubles the effectiveness of Gingko and many other herbs, or so I've been told by master herbalists, though I haven't taken that combo during a trip yet.

how does DMT work orally?
capsuled and MAOIs?

Originally Posted by rocketman

There are definite similarities between oral dmt and shrooms. I think smoked dmt would totally over ride any trip temporarily.

[TVCasualty]

Yup, that'd be Ayahuasca or one of its analogues.

[Doctor D]

Originally Posted by orchid

i tend to enjoy mdma with shrooms when at concerts. tool was spectacular durring their lateralus tour on those two substances although i must admit it can get a bit confusing

That sounds like an AWESOME mix! I've only candyflipped, and that is a great ride. Shrooms and ecstacy though? Yeehaw! Count me in!

[jimbojones]

I really enjoy taking a few valium and tripping alone (about 5g dry worth).

[Doctor D]

Benzos are a perfect compliment to a trip on the come down. I agree wholeheartedly.